What is God's role with Born Disabled?
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Salam oneandonly & justamuslim
Kindly ponder 43 36,37
before going through DrFazl's Threads "Peace Vs Emotions ; Health Vs Disease "
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"If Only Allah , then Allah is our watchword"which could be an inner eye opener to understand that MAJORITY people are astray and so
are their WAYS and MEANS 6116
Hope " ONEANDONLY " will show you the straight path to be "JUSTAMUSLIM"
R.BALACHANDRAN
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Peace drfazl,
I am curious about how your life has been like over the past 15 years. I also wish to stop using healthcare completely, but once I got so ill they had to inject antibiotics in my body. However, it is my only real visit to the doctor in many years.
At least I am, like I said in my previous post, at least moderate about the style of prayer healing you practice. I always implore God when I fall ill and I try to endure until God heals me.
Well, in fact my wife has me go to the doctor and I do not know if she helped me commit a sin. I should perhaps repent for my shortcoming. I think I would have survived without that injection. But I guess I looked really bad to her with high fiever and I was too weak to decide myself.
When it comes to mental illnesses I have entirely your opinion, then you should go to treatment without drugs and pray as much as you can. However, I think some serious conditions must be helped somehow.
This whole society (whole planet) is built around the wrong system. We should minimize drug usage and doctor's intervention and rather put our trust in God and we will be less ill. You definitely have a point in your preaching about this matter. Shame your ideas go unheard sometimes.
We need to trust the Lord more than we do, some of us are good examples, but we can always get better. Even the most pious.
God bless you
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Salam newmoon,
I guess those verses applies to the traditional religious scholars, no?
I do hope to be guided in the right path and that is why I am in this forum to seek knowledge. pr
I was pretty confident that it may not be possible to live without medication but now the confirmed example of Man of Faith and Drfazl has intrigue me to look at it with deeper perspective.
I will certainly go through Drfazal's threads.
Peace
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In your disinformation and misinformation to me you are saying the history of the genetic abnormality of a particular disease from 1838. What is the reason for the presence of third copy of trisomy 21? Why did the mutation develop in them? How to cure them? Or how to prevent them? Have the modern medicine succeeded in curing or preventing them to prove their hypotheses or their loose talks on disease and cure? Please provide such informations with valid proof. And have first hand information as an answer to these questions and come back to me so that you can have free-mind to understand as a believer when I clarify from Quran.
Peace.
Again, you are not answering my question. Explain how Down syndrome which was described in the 19th century and then identified as trimosy 21 in 1959, is caused by doctors?
So instead of side stepping, why don't you answer the question asked. You know exactly the question that i am asking. How is a condition like Down syndrome caused by doctors?
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Again, you are not answering my question. Explain how Down syndrome which was described in the 19th century and then identified as trimosy 21 in 1959, is caused by doctors?
So instead of side stepping, why don't you answer the question asked. You know exactly the question that i am asking. How is a condition like Down syndrome caused by doctors?
A blunt answer to you is the pharmacology of medicine; read the pharmacokinetics of any medicine from sulphonamides to recent antibiotics starting from 18th century, you shall know the side effects of every single medicine and the worst of them all is their teratogenic effect on the growing foetus. Do you understand what I say? The modern medicine and the satanic doctors who prescribe these medicines are the main reasons for all genetic aberrations caused in the womb. Still you say I am side tracking, I am sorry I doubt if you are one of Down syndrome category.
Now my main doubt
If you are a believer at all in God's Power and Wisdom? Because I prefer talking to believers in this forum.753, 4
Does justamuslim think that We will not assemble his bones? Yes. We are Able even to proportion his fingertips.2259 And look at your donkey; and We will make you a sign for the people. And look at the bones of this donkey - how We assemble them and then We cover them with flesh.. .
If you are a believer then you shall believe that Allah answers the call of the caller if he calls on Him. Have you ever practised Quran in your life?
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A blunt answer to you is the pharmacology of medicine; read the pharmacokinetics of any medicine from sulphonamides to recent antibiotics starting from 18th century, you shall know the side effects of every single medicine and the worst of them all is their teratogenic effect on the growing foetus. Do you understand what I say? The modern medicine and the satanic doctors who prescribe these medicines are the main reasons for all genetic aberrations caused in the womb. Still you say I am side tracking, I am sorry I doubt if you are one of Down syndrome category.
Your blunt answer is a no answer to my question. You keep saying over and over again how modern medicine and the satanic doctors are the main reasons for all genetic aberrations.
Can you explain how the pharmacokinetics of medicine and satanic doctors caused Down syndrome?
And care to explain please what you meant by saying "I doubt if you are one of Down syndrome category"?
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Peace,
Unfortunately it is true what Dr. Fazl says. The drugs have many terrible side-effects and it is also very likely that they cause persistent damage to the genes. I am sure many drugs and also other poisons we consume in our lives have undesirable long-lasting effects. Why they would cause mutations is not farfetched, even a minor mutation can have dire consequences.
Humans use way too many drugs, even if they do not take it as far as Dr Fazl they should think about their usage.
Instead of just using drugs you should prevent its usage in the first place. Like much use of blood pressure treatment could be avoided if the person just took a better care of his/her health.
We are in an evil spiral where we are slaves to all these drugs.
Many psychological diseases could be avoided by a healthier living, they are often induced by poor conditions. Of course, then we would have to blame the whole society too, but we also need to see to our own best. Becoming mentally ill is one thing, but becoming free from it is a strength and never falling back to it, especially not using drugs during treatment even for serious conditions such as psychosis. These states are usually triggered by a series of events in life.
Another factor is of course all the pollution in the world, background radiation etc. They definitely cause birth defects. We need a cleaner world. Astma is often developed because of these factors.
Regarding pharmacology Dr. Fazl probably has better expertise than me.
God bless you
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A blunt answer to you is the pharmacology of medicine; read the pharmacokinetics of any medicine from sulphonamides to recent antibiotics starting from 18th century, you shall know the side effects of every single medicine and the worst of them all is their teratogenic effect on the growing foetus. Do you understand what I say? The modern medicine and the satanic doctors who prescribe these medicines are the main reasons for all genetic aberrations caused in the womb. Still you say I am side tracking, I am sorry I doubt if you are one of Down syndrome category.
Now my main doubt
If you are a believer at all in God's Power and Wisdom? Because I prefer talking to believers in this forum.753, 4
Does justamuslim think that We will not assemble his bones? Yes. We are Able even to proportion his fingertips.2259 And look at your donkey; and We will make you a sign for the people. And look at the bones of this donkey - how We assemble them and then We cover them with flesh.. .
If you are a believer then you shall believe that Allah answers the call of the caller if he calls on Him. Have you ever practised Quran in your life?
I don't think that is a blunt answer either. I totally understand that decades of pollution, eugenics, alcohol, smoking, drugs, steroids, GMOs, x rays, poor life style, biologically engineered diseases etc... AKA environmental factors play a big role in genetic mutations and cancers...but what about BEFORE modern medicine?? most of the adverse environmental factors we have today just came about the last 50 years (with the food industry)and maybe 100 with everything else....what about before the industrial revolution, before simple drugs, etc... genetic mutations in our DNA are not new. so i think that is what justamuslim is getting at. which I agree.
also what about viruses that killed people on a regular basis before vaccines were invented...and people still die from today where medical care is not accessible, i.e) malaria, polio, measles, ebola, pox, all the great plagues etc... unless you had a strong immune system to fight through the infection, without treatment you died. and those things may not be birth defects, but the beginning of the chain started with insects and birds, etc...and were transmitted to humans (something we cannot control). i would imagine people prayed to God to be spared from death from such illnesses and still died. without the modern medicine--that God gave us the intellect to discover--we would be worse off. however i do believe people abuse medicine and healthcare in general.
so idk?! just a thought..
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Tigress
You believe things from where your material organs such as eyes, nose, ears, skin and mouth with their Down to earth understanding from smallest to the biggest i.e. from DNA aberration to derangement to death of a man. Whatever you see, hear and receive through your naked, outward senses is your knowledge and you start living within that limited sphere. Knowledge is crooked and muddled from any angle you see or in any situation you put it to use. It has to grow all-round, for all-time to come. Till the end of the world, thus, using knowledge for the healthy living should throw us into gruesome and grief-some world. Today people are dying of diseases starting from ordinary flu fever to fantastically diagnosed diseases such as inherited diseases, putting the blame on fore fathers. Nothing to write about this muddy, sloppy allopathy.
Now start perceiving travelling in the opposite direction of the scientific approach whose methodology is 'seeing is believing'; and start believing in the power that brings the form. What is the power that assembles and creates the so called DNA of each of the varied living creatures on the earth and in the sky? This approach alone is the only way to prevent a disease from forming; to assemble DNA in the manner it should behave; and for the healthy living. Believe in the Unseen Power, the Only Power, the Almighty power.
You will see a lot of wisdom in this direction of perception for which your soul will be the sole laboratory.
Follow the threads
If only Allah, then Allah alone is our watchword.
Peace Vs. Emotions; Health Vs. DiseasesYou will soon start practising Quran, verse for verse. You shall be in the power world of unending bliss. Will you be patient with me?
Salam
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You say a whole bunch but avoid answering my question. Why is that drfazl?
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how about mutations in animals born with anamolies? And animals also get diseases like diabetes. So who are to be blamed for what happens in the animal kingdom. If all mutations in humans are due to modern medicine, then how about in animals? A snake with two heads found in the wilderness? Is that also a result of allopathy doctors?
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Peace justamuslim or justanunbeliever, here is your answer (36) He it is who shapes you in the wombs as He wills. There is no deity save Him, the Almighty, the Truly Wise.
Good that somebody brought out this issue, because I have been meditating for a while about it. In a gospel of Jesus attributed to Judas (wich I have found only in spanish, and is not the version sold by national geograpic) Jesus says "the medicine is not more than the disease but cures because of the grace of God". So, we can say that is not the medicine that cures you but your faith in it, like the people who believes in saints or idols, God makes it happen so that the one who has faith in it goes farther astray.
I challenge anybody here, maybe I am wrong (but I seek refuge in God of being of the ignorant), to search in the The Book of Enoch, The Torah, The Psalms, The wisdom of Salomon, The lesser prophets, the Gospels, and The Qur'an, and see if you find any reference from the wisdom of God regarding medicine. Do you think that medicine is a new thing?, the sons of Adam have been looking for things to avoid death since they forgot about God. Do you really think that God the all knowing would have forgotten about such an important issue.
It has been proven in some laboratory tests that real medicine and placebos have had almost the same effect on the patients being tested, so it is the psychological state of people that cures them and not the medicine.
If you break your arm or leg just put something around it to keep it in the natural alignment with the other one and don't move it, and God will make that broken part even stronger, not the doctor. We go to the Doctor, take our kids, our wife, our husbands, our parents, because we fear Death, maybe is little what we believe!this is what God does when we become disobedient ungrateful unbelievers Deuteronomy 2859-61(NKJV)
59 then the Lord will bring upon you and your descendants extraordinary plagues?great and prolonged plagues?and serious and prolonged sicknesses. 60 Moreover He will bring back on you all the diseases of Egypt, of which you were afraid, and they shall cling to you. 61 Also every sickness and every plague, which is not written in this Book of the Law, will the Lord bring upon you until you are destroyed.
Deuteronomy 3236-41
36 ?For the Lord will judge His people And have compassion on His servants, When He sees that their power is gone, And there is no one remaining, bond or free. 37 He will say ?Where are your gods, The rock in which you sought refuge? 38 Who ate the fat of their sacrifices, And drank the wine of their drink offering? Let them rise and help you, And be your refuge. 39 ?Now see that I, I am , And there is no God besides Me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; Nor is there any who can deliver from My hand. 40 For I raise My hand to heaven, And say, ?As I live forever, 41 If I whet My glittering sword, And My hand takes hold on judgment,I will render vengeance to My enemies, And repay those who hate Me. -
You keep saying over and over again how modern medicine and the satanic doctors are the main reasons for all genetic aberrations.
Can you explain how the pharmacokinetics of medicine and satanic doctors caused Down syndrome?
And care to explain please what you meant by saying "I doubt if you are one of Down syndrome category"?
justamuslim,
Doctors prescribe medicines that adversely affects the life of a cell from disturbing its functional ability to its total pathological destruction. The doctors and specialists prescribe the killer medicines with their own hands - the destruction is their handiwork. When they cannot cure any disease, say a diabetes, a cancer, a kidney failure, a heart disease, an auto-immune disease, a hormonal imbalance, a hypertension, a gastritis, an intestinal disorder, lung infections, liver affections. neurological conditions such as alzheimer's, epilepsy, MR, gliomas, paraesthesiae, muscular dystrophes, Joint pains, insomnia, indigestion, splenitis, pancreatitis. insomnia, a dysmenorrhea, hypermetrosis, leucorrhoea and so on why should they prescribe medicines for all these problems? A drug should cure the disease or cause the diseases. Any chronic disease is caused by their
side effects, the dreaded of them all is the genetic changes that they each capable of causing. When the doctors diagnose diseases it means the said diseases are incurable. Since the medical faculty had failed totally in curing diseases of every order, the patients are shifted to surgical table where the organs concerned are removed. Wow, what a way to deal with the diseases. Remove the organs to cure the patients from ailments! If there are no more organs left to remove, yet the patients would still dare complaining of pain, the diagnosis is, 'He is still Alive!' The only treatment now is EUTHANASIA', which means kill the man, so that he would not complain any more. Is this allopathy a treatment at all for the human beings? While such is the integrity of MM, poor animals are also subjected to their diagnoses and treatment under MM. The man killers have not spared even the animals.This is the ridiculous MM; and you give instance of a diagnosis DS. A moron MM diagnoses another moron. Is this a subject at all to discuss, given the integrity of MM?
"And care to explain please what you meant by saying "I doubt if you are one of Down syndrome category"?
You are suffering from Down to Earth Syndrome; the Scientific Syndrome, or the Seeing is Believing Syndrome These are the meanings of DS. You cannot believe the Truth, the God, the Life Force, the Mind Power, The Faith and all that which are above your mundane understanding.
And I await your starting with your same famous word Again....... and ....... again.... Go ahead and start again; I will try to answer until you are tired..
Peace.
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how about mutations in animals born with anamolies? And animals also get diseases like diabetes. So who are to be blamed for what happens in the animal kingdom. If all mutations in humans are due to modern medicine, then how about in animals? A snake with two heads found in the wilderness? Is that also a result of allopathy doctors?
It is amazing to see how serious you are about the MM jokers? Well while the MM jokers cannot diagnose or cure simple diseases like even fever but complicate it to chronic complex syndromes, their hypotheses and hypertheses are nothing but nonsenses. Snake with two heads is not disease and no snake complained this to a snakologist or animalologist of MM.
Allah creates what He intends. You have no answer to His creativity. They are full of life; and no suffering.
Allah leaves you astray and allows you to taste your own evil when you become arrogant and transgressing whose life is miserable.I am awaiting your next post that starts with "Again!".....
peace
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Salaaam,
There is only one God...
God bless you and may you find comfort in the Lord
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I think Dr Fazl raises some very valid points. I may not agree with everything, but I think critical views of modern science are necessary. Why do people believe that the dominant methodology is correct? When we look at the past, we can see some accurate things but a lot of what we consider inaccuracies. And what I don't like is that anyone can criticise religion and faith in general as much as they want, the concept of God is questioned so much because He is Unseen. However, criticising mainstream science is like you're some kind of 'hippy'. As though the scientific academic elite own and preside over this v.important knowledge that we must all adhere to else we are questionable people. People mock some 'alternative' or natural remedies so much but we are actually using them all the time since the very food (or avoiding certain things can strengthen health) we eat will build up the immune system and prevent illness or deal with the illness right there and then as soon as we get it.
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How to cure a Fever without drugs?
What I am going to write here is what I have been practising since the year 1990 almost with 100% success on tens of thousands of patients. What is so easy a matter to deal with if you have wisdom, is seen as so dangerous by the MM jokers. First they would diagnose the causative factor as flu, fly, mosquito, rat, bird, swine, bacteria, virus, typhoid, para typhoid, dengue, filaria, chicken, mutton gunea, autoimmune, infectious, epidemic, pandemic, endemic, HIV and so on until they come to their final of their diagnoses for the fever This diagnosis is the most rational and conclusive of all The Diagnosis is PUO. The expansion for PUO is "Pyrexia of Unknown Origin", a very big topic for the MM. At this point you shall have to know what the word 'Pyrexia' means it means "FEVER!" If they say FUO, Fever of Unknown Origin, the MM jokers' mask would be torn away, and the hither to considered heros of health would become villains overnight.
Before the diagnosis of FUO, they would spread the news blaming on some kind of virus spreading from africa, japan, india, philippines, and name so many countries without travelling visa as dangerous invaders. It is because the MM is so much afraid of fever which it can never understand as to what it is, nor does it have the knowledge to cure it. Before they come out with another landmark diagnosis for the fever, i.e. The UFO, Unidentified Flying Object from Mars, Moon, jupiter, neptune and so on, it is time you shall ditch the MM as the prime causative factor.
The most dangerous thing now the MM would do is to symptomatically suppress the fever much, much before they knew the diagnosis for the fever. This is out right Quackery. This is the starting point all chronic ailments.
So before finally F.U.O. or U.F.O. becomes the final diagnosis,the patient would be no more and UFO will be the Medical death and discharge certificate when the patients die at the hands of intensive health care.
Next
Before understanding cure for the UFO without doctors in just 2 days, we need to know what a fever is.fazl
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And I await your starting with your same famous word Again....... and ....... again.... Go ahead and start again; I will try to answer until you are tired..
Peace.
You have not answered my question. You have proved yourself much like israfeel, almyir and company who make preposterous claims and then use the scriptures to support. and when asked direct simple straight forward question, tend not to answer instead resort to insults, ridicule, and such. Using fear to have people believing in your claims by taking some factual things and then spinning it around.
You say a whole bunch of stuff appearing to sound intellectual but unlike others here, I see through all that. What you are doing is dangerous. Here is an article
http//www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/04/23/178593383/religious-parents-lose-second-child-after-refusing-medical-careI find it quite interesting when israfeel made claims about circumcisions how he was asked to provide evidence to his claims but yet the same persons here are agreeing with you without question.