What is God's role with Born Disabled?
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You say a whole bunch but avoid answering my question. Why is that drfazl?
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how about mutations in animals born with anamolies? And animals also get diseases like diabetes. So who are to be blamed for what happens in the animal kingdom. If all mutations in humans are due to modern medicine, then how about in animals? A snake with two heads found in the wilderness? Is that also a result of allopathy doctors?
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Peace justamuslim or justanunbeliever, here is your answer (36) He it is who shapes you in the wombs as He wills. There is no deity save Him, the Almighty, the Truly Wise.
Good that somebody brought out this issue, because I have been meditating for a while about it. In a gospel of Jesus attributed to Judas (wich I have found only in spanish, and is not the version sold by national geograpic) Jesus says "the medicine is not more than the disease but cures because of the grace of God". So, we can say that is not the medicine that cures you but your faith in it, like the people who believes in saints or idols, God makes it happen so that the one who has faith in it goes farther astray.
I challenge anybody here, maybe I am wrong (but I seek refuge in God of being of the ignorant), to search in the The Book of Enoch, The Torah, The Psalms, The wisdom of Salomon, The lesser prophets, the Gospels, and The Qur'an, and see if you find any reference from the wisdom of God regarding medicine. Do you think that medicine is a new thing?, the sons of Adam have been looking for things to avoid death since they forgot about God. Do you really think that God the all knowing would have forgotten about such an important issue.
It has been proven in some laboratory tests that real medicine and placebos have had almost the same effect on the patients being tested, so it is the psychological state of people that cures them and not the medicine.
If you break your arm or leg just put something around it to keep it in the natural alignment with the other one and don't move it, and God will make that broken part even stronger, not the doctor. We go to the Doctor, take our kids, our wife, our husbands, our parents, because we fear Death, maybe is little what we believe!this is what God does when we become disobedient ungrateful unbelievers Deuteronomy 2859-61(NKJV)
59 then the Lord will bring upon you and your descendants extraordinary plagues?great and prolonged plagues?and serious and prolonged sicknesses. 60 Moreover He will bring back on you all the diseases of Egypt, of which you were afraid, and they shall cling to you. 61 Also every sickness and every plague, which is not written in this Book of the Law, will the Lord bring upon you until you are destroyed.
Deuteronomy 3236-41
36 ?For the Lord will judge His people And have compassion on His servants, When He sees that their power is gone, And there is no one remaining, bond or free. 37 He will say ?Where are your gods, The rock in which you sought refuge? 38 Who ate the fat of their sacrifices, And drank the wine of their drink offering? Let them rise and help you, And be your refuge. 39 ?Now see that I, I am , And there is no God besides Me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; Nor is there any who can deliver from My hand. 40 For I raise My hand to heaven, And say, ?As I live forever, 41 If I whet My glittering sword, And My hand takes hold on judgment,I will render vengeance to My enemies, And repay those who hate Me. -
You keep saying over and over again how modern medicine and the satanic doctors are the main reasons for all genetic aberrations.
Can you explain how the pharmacokinetics of medicine and satanic doctors caused Down syndrome?
And care to explain please what you meant by saying "I doubt if you are one of Down syndrome category"?
justamuslim,
Doctors prescribe medicines that adversely affects the life of a cell from disturbing its functional ability to its total pathological destruction. The doctors and specialists prescribe the killer medicines with their own hands - the destruction is their handiwork. When they cannot cure any disease, say a diabetes, a cancer, a kidney failure, a heart disease, an auto-immune disease, a hormonal imbalance, a hypertension, a gastritis, an intestinal disorder, lung infections, liver affections. neurological conditions such as alzheimer's, epilepsy, MR, gliomas, paraesthesiae, muscular dystrophes, Joint pains, insomnia, indigestion, splenitis, pancreatitis. insomnia, a dysmenorrhea, hypermetrosis, leucorrhoea and so on why should they prescribe medicines for all these problems? A drug should cure the disease or cause the diseases. Any chronic disease is caused by their
side effects, the dreaded of them all is the genetic changes that they each capable of causing. When the doctors diagnose diseases it means the said diseases are incurable. Since the medical faculty had failed totally in curing diseases of every order, the patients are shifted to surgical table where the organs concerned are removed. Wow, what a way to deal with the diseases. Remove the organs to cure the patients from ailments! If there are no more organs left to remove, yet the patients would still dare complaining of pain, the diagnosis is, 'He is still Alive!' The only treatment now is EUTHANASIA', which means kill the man, so that he would not complain any more. Is this allopathy a treatment at all for the human beings? While such is the integrity of MM, poor animals are also subjected to their diagnoses and treatment under MM. The man killers have not spared even the animals.This is the ridiculous MM; and you give instance of a diagnosis DS. A moron MM diagnoses another moron. Is this a subject at all to discuss, given the integrity of MM?
"And care to explain please what you meant by saying "I doubt if you are one of Down syndrome category"?
You are suffering from Down to Earth Syndrome; the Scientific Syndrome, or the Seeing is Believing Syndrome These are the meanings of DS. You cannot believe the Truth, the God, the Life Force, the Mind Power, The Faith and all that which are above your mundane understanding.
And I await your starting with your same famous word Again....... and ....... again.... Go ahead and start again; I will try to answer until you are tired..
Peace.
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how about mutations in animals born with anamolies? And animals also get diseases like diabetes. So who are to be blamed for what happens in the animal kingdom. If all mutations in humans are due to modern medicine, then how about in animals? A snake with two heads found in the wilderness? Is that also a result of allopathy doctors?
It is amazing to see how serious you are about the MM jokers? Well while the MM jokers cannot diagnose or cure simple diseases like even fever but complicate it to chronic complex syndromes, their hypotheses and hypertheses are nothing but nonsenses. Snake with two heads is not disease and no snake complained this to a snakologist or animalologist of MM.
Allah creates what He intends. You have no answer to His creativity. They are full of life; and no suffering.
Allah leaves you astray and allows you to taste your own evil when you become arrogant and transgressing whose life is miserable.I am awaiting your next post that starts with "Again!".....
peace
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Salaaam,
There is only one God...
God bless you and may you find comfort in the Lord
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I think Dr Fazl raises some very valid points. I may not agree with everything, but I think critical views of modern science are necessary. Why do people believe that the dominant methodology is correct? When we look at the past, we can see some accurate things but a lot of what we consider inaccuracies. And what I don't like is that anyone can criticise religion and faith in general as much as they want, the concept of God is questioned so much because He is Unseen. However, criticising mainstream science is like you're some kind of 'hippy'. As though the scientific academic elite own and preside over this v.important knowledge that we must all adhere to else we are questionable people. People mock some 'alternative' or natural remedies so much but we are actually using them all the time since the very food (or avoiding certain things can strengthen health) we eat will build up the immune system and prevent illness or deal with the illness right there and then as soon as we get it.
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How to cure a Fever without drugs?
What I am going to write here is what I have been practising since the year 1990 almost with 100% success on tens of thousands of patients. What is so easy a matter to deal with if you have wisdom, is seen as so dangerous by the MM jokers. First they would diagnose the causative factor as flu, fly, mosquito, rat, bird, swine, bacteria, virus, typhoid, para typhoid, dengue, filaria, chicken, mutton gunea, autoimmune, infectious, epidemic, pandemic, endemic, HIV and so on until they come to their final of their diagnoses for the fever This diagnosis is the most rational and conclusive of all The Diagnosis is PUO. The expansion for PUO is "Pyrexia of Unknown Origin", a very big topic for the MM. At this point you shall have to know what the word 'Pyrexia' means it means "FEVER!" If they say FUO, Fever of Unknown Origin, the MM jokers' mask would be torn away, and the hither to considered heros of health would become villains overnight.
Before the diagnosis of FUO, they would spread the news blaming on some kind of virus spreading from africa, japan, india, philippines, and name so many countries without travelling visa as dangerous invaders. It is because the MM is so much afraid of fever which it can never understand as to what it is, nor does it have the knowledge to cure it. Before they come out with another landmark diagnosis for the fever, i.e. The UFO, Unidentified Flying Object from Mars, Moon, jupiter, neptune and so on, it is time you shall ditch the MM as the prime causative factor.
The most dangerous thing now the MM would do is to symptomatically suppress the fever much, much before they knew the diagnosis for the fever. This is out right Quackery. This is the starting point all chronic ailments.
So before finally F.U.O. or U.F.O. becomes the final diagnosis,the patient would be no more and UFO will be the Medical death and discharge certificate when the patients die at the hands of intensive health care.
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Before understanding cure for the UFO without doctors in just 2 days, we need to know what a fever is.fazl
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And I await your starting with your same famous word Again....... and ....... again.... Go ahead and start again; I will try to answer until you are tired..
Peace.
You have not answered my question. You have proved yourself much like israfeel, almyir and company who make preposterous claims and then use the scriptures to support. and when asked direct simple straight forward question, tend not to answer instead resort to insults, ridicule, and such. Using fear to have people believing in your claims by taking some factual things and then spinning it around.
You say a whole bunch of stuff appearing to sound intellectual but unlike others here, I see through all that. What you are doing is dangerous. Here is an article
http//www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/04/23/178593383/religious-parents-lose-second-child-after-refusing-medical-careI find it quite interesting when israfeel made claims about circumcisions how he was asked to provide evidence to his claims but yet the same persons here are agreeing with you without question.
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Peace,
Following drfazl's ideas on the underlying concept is a wise decision.
Maybe the religious parents were not having Faith at their heart. They were maybe sinful and God did not care about their prayers. I have not read the article you linked to, but there may be an explanation.
You need to know the whole story. Although I have always wondered why God created all these herbs and substances if they were not to be used. We are able to interact with God's creations.
God bless you
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You say a whole bunch of stuff appearing to sound intellectual but unlike others here, I see through all that. What you are doing is dangerous. Here is an article
http//www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/04/23/178593383/religious-parents-lose-second-child-after-refusing-medical-care
I find it quite interesting when israfeel made claims about circumcisions how he was asked to provide evidence to his claims but yet the same persons here are agreeing with you without question.
MM is able to pick up one instance of 8 billion people in the world for their advertisement. What about millions on the intensive death bed, dying everyday under their health care?
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How to cure a Fever without drugs?
Cure a fever? Seriously?
Fever is not a disease.
Here's some info on fever http//firstaid.webmd.com/fevers-causes-symptoms-treatments
I suggest that you stop dispensing inaccurate information.
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You say a whole bunch of stuff appearing to sound intellectual but unlike others here, I see through all that. What you are doing is dangerous. Here is an article
http//www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/04/23/178593383/religious-parents-lose-second-child-after-refusing-medical-careI find it quite interesting when israfeel made claims about circumcisions how he was asked to provide evidence to his claims but yet the same persons here are agreeing with you without question.
MM is able to pick up one instance of 8 billion people in the world for their advertisement. What about millions on the intensive death bed, dying everyday under their health care? And what do they say about their own growing statistics that gives them great concern on the prenatal, natal, postnatal mortality of the mother and child? See, how easily you got carried away because you have no wisdom? Believe in Allah you will definitely have first hand discerning capability.
Waiting for the next salvo from you.
God Bless.
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Cure a fever? Seriously?
Fever is not a disease.
Here's some info on fever http//firstaid.webmd.com/fevers-causes-symptoms-treatments
I suggest that you stop dispensing inaccurate information.
Let me tell you further to what you have read from all your sources of physical knowledge. You are simply imbibing them all without giving a thought to them; this requires blessing of God. Fever is not just a symptom but God's sign of any developing disease in the power form and that is the only parameter to identify if an underlying disease, whether it is cured or not. The fever starts as a physiological curative force which when put down forcibly using MM medicines takes the form of the pathogenic force causing the pathology in the physiological organs resulting in myriad diseases. If the fever is cured without symptomatic medicine, it is sure sign the individual is cured of ailments before they show their head; if it is increasing then it is a clear sign, the disease is taking shape concretely. But what MM quack-practises is to put down this very vital sign of health. Unless you believe in God, you will go astray losing your perceptive quality and fall to all evil.
God Bless
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Salam Drfazl,
I just finished reading your article Peace Vs. Emotions; Health Vs. Diseases. Although it was an interesting read, I do not think it can be applied to everybody in daily life. at least not with my level of intelligence. Even if it is possible to achieve the kind of peace you are referring to, one has to go through a lot of meditation and years of practice to reach to that level. If we look at the Quran, it has been written in such easy and logical way that its teachings can be applied to any kind of race (educated or uneducated) in the world. Some of its teachings are even being followed (unknowingly) by people who do not even know a word called Quran. It has been written so easy that we do not really need to be obsessed with it to understand its teachings. Obsession can lead to negative effects like the people in the past who created Hadith in order to explain it in detail.
Coming back to the thread, Current medication system is a developed form of Herbal and traditional healing process used in the past to cure illness. development means a progression from a simpler or lower level to more advance and mature level. It may happen that some of the medicines have been manipulated by evil doers for their personal gain, that does not mean we can blame whole medical system as Evil's work. Instead of looking it from negative side we should be looking from positive side. Like development of medication system is a blessing from God to protect human against the diseases and illness caused by Shaitaan.
I am still waiting for my answers to your replies on how Satan is able to manipulate genes to cause defects on newborn. If it is clearly mentioned in Quran that everybody is responsible for their own deed then how Satan is able to cause defect on a person even before the person is born and granted free will?
Peace
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MM is able to pick up one instance of 8 billion people in the world for their advertisement. What about millions on the intensive death bed, dying everyday under their health care? And what do they say about their own growing statistics that gives them great concern on the prenatal, natal, postnatal mortality of the mother and child? See, how easily you got carried away because you have no wisdom? Believe in Allah you will definitely have first hand discerning capability.
Waiting for the next salvo from you.
God Bless.
Let me tell you further to what you have read from all your sources of physical knowledge. You are simply imbibing them all without giving a thought to them; this requires blessing of God. Fever is not just a symptom but God's sign of any developing disease in the power form and that is the only parameter to identify if an underlying disease, whether it is cured or not. The fever starts as a physiological curative force which when put down forcibly using MM medicines takes the form of the pathogenic force causing the pathology in the physiological organs resulting in myriad diseases. If the fever is cured without symptomatic medicine, it is sure sign the individual is cured of ailments before they show their head; if it is increasing then it is a clear sign, the disease is taking shape concretely. But what MM quack-practises is to put down this very vital sign of health. Unless you believe in God, you will go astray losing your perceptive quality and fall to all evil.
God Bless
So attacking, calling names, putting people down is what you do when you are asked to explain providing evidence of your claims or when someone points the fallacies and inaccuracies of what you state. Instead of speaking your truths clearly and simply, you seem to go on a prolific tirade.
Of course, using God's words and message twisting the basic concepts to provide support to your views. In other words, "unless you believe in (what I say), you will go astray losing your perceptive quality and fall to all evil." And whoever does not follow your ways, in your judgement are not believers?
So according to you, I am follower of evil, a quack, unbeliever, lost, lacking wisdom?
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Salam Drfazl,
I am still waiting for my answers to your replies on how Satan is able to manipulate genes to cause defects on newborn. If it is clearly mentioned in Quran that everybody is responsible for their own deed then how Satan is able to cause defect on a person even before the person is born and granted free will?
Peace
Salam brother,
I mean the medicines are evil and with their side effects they cause destruction to life force. Anything antagonistic life force is satanic. Knowing very well the evil effects of the system, the medicos who make the people at large to consume the medicines such as vitamins, iron, calcium, zinc, under the guise of health care is satanic instinct. By satan, I meant the MM medicos.
fazl
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So attacking, calling names, putting people down is what you do when you are asked to explain providing evidence of your claims or when someone points the fallacies and inaccuracies of what you state. Instead of speaking your truths clearly and simply, you seem to go on a prolific tirade.
Of course, using God's words and message twisting the basic concepts to provide support to your views. In other words, "unless you believe in (what I say), you will go astray losing your perceptive quality and fall to all evil." And whoever does not follow your ways, in your judgement are not believers?
So according to you, I am follower of evil, a quack, unbeliever, lost, lacking wisdom?
Salam sister,
When I have not twisted the fact of believing in Almighty, the most Wise is far above man's ability to do good to suffering people and that me putting effort to make people believe only in the Almighty the Most Wise to stay mentally fit and physically able, you say all such of my efforts as twisting the Truth. And you will see the comparison of dying millions in the intensive care unit of MM everyday against one incidence of a second child dying naturally at home. Can you show me where I have twisted the basic truth by using God's name if you are truthful? God's Way is not your way or my way; rather it shall be everybody's way is what I had espoused when I see you giving more importance to ever-to-grow, and a practically futile human knowledge.
With reference to your DS you know well, drugs have teratogenic potential i.e. to cause physical to functional aberration and malformation to the unitary segment DNA of any cell in the body. I call the MM specialists Satans because they practise this despite their knowing the evils of what they do to the patients very well. Definitely MM is satanic to the core. If you need any more clarification beyond this and maintain to feign I have not answered, I am sorry there is nothing more from me to your pointed question. I think this should satisfy you.
According to me every human has the fullest ability to attain the Most beautiful life from the Most High. My sincere prayers for you; I hope you you would do the same for me. May Allah, forgive me if I had offended you. Will you pray for me, sister?
Salam, again
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Salaam brother Rahman,
Your responding to a sister. Justamuslim is a sister, not brother. Just for your information.
God bless you