Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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How about the cutting hands and smacking corpses with meat? People STILL uphold this as truth, even though it by simple logic and analysis of the quranic text can be explained in a wise, productive and sane way. So apparently there are plenty of things that already have been explained from the quran itself, while the insane version is still upheld by the majority.
What are you trying to say? Cutting off the hands of the thief is not Quranic?
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In addition to the points made by Zulf
I would add that the Quran constantly refers to human nature and the way in which mankind is very argumentative, ungrateful and that will effect the way the majority of people deal with the Quran. Take a look at the People of the Book and what they did. It should be evident what will then happen with guidance, it won't get fair treatment - it will just be something that people can use for power, control, glory etc. This is a corrupt thing to do and people know if they are trying to "use" the Quran or understand the Quran. But they never want to rid the current cultural customs. That can still be the case for some Quran only as well, but considering different interpretations is part of trying to understand the Quran.
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Take out your cameras and post your pictures here.
https//lh6.googleusercontent.com/-dIzcwc_PPWc/UccTz2HsipI/AAAAAAAAAnM/OSxkm448CcE/w450-h300-no/image.jpeg
Not of your camera ofcourse but of the full moon. Make sure you don't miss it! At sunset or shortly thereafter is the ideal moment.
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Not of your camera ofcourse but of the full moon. Make sure you don't miss it! At sunset or shortly thereafter is the ideal moment.
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Israfeel,
I'm afraid you are way off the mark. Years behind. The true understanding of the cutting of the hand was understood and accepted when the submitters first came to the fore years ago. We have moved on. I am afraid the situation is that Koran Aloners understand what you are saying, but unfortunately, what Koran Aloners are saying has absolutely no meaning to you. it is like a foreign language to you. It reminds me of what God points out in the Koran, that the blind cannot see and the deaf cannot hear. I am not mocking you, I am simply stating a fact - this is written in the Koran and you cannot argue with it, unless of course you are challenging God.
Dawn.
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Peace.
I'm afraid we won't be able to witness the full moon over here. Very cloudy in Belgium and the Netherlands. We hope for the best. For those of you who are lucky enough to witness it http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188.msg327565#msg327565
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Peace Abdelilah.
Yes, very cloudy indeed over here at the border triangle Germany, Belgium, Netherlands. Nevertheless I am going to position myself on top of a nice hill and look out for the full moon rising. In a few minutes it is time to set forth. yay
Best wishes,
Timur
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Beautiful moon over here in the Middle East.
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Beautiful moon over here in the Middle East.
Salaam,
We (my family and I) saw the reddish 'scorching full moon' here in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia at 19.52 local time (7.52am NY/12.52pm London) last night. It was a delay of almost 20 minutes from the scheduled 19.33 moonrise, possibly due to some hilltops over the horizon that the moon had to clear first, as well as the thick haze enveloping KL these last few days. By 20.45, it was huge, beautiful and high in the sky. Took photos, but unfortunately unable to upload them here. Will work on it.
We are now fasting dawn to dusk for the next ten days. For now, I am convinced that bro Dr Ayman's interpretation of the relevant verses is the best, until and if I find a better one.
God bless all.
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Beautiful moon over here in the Middle East.
In the middle east the moon appears more dramatic due to the dusty atmosphere of the desert which refracts the moon light even more and gives it more red appearance. The Arabs must have been fascinated by this red hot moon that signals the hot time of the year and this is why they called it the scorching full moon/"shahr ramadan". Please post pictures if you can. You can use websites such as http//tinypic.com/ to upload the pics and share the links here.
Peace and best wishes,
Ayman
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We (my family and I) saw the reddish 'scorching full moon' here in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia at 19.52 local time (7.52am NY/12.52pm London) last night. It was a delay of almost 20 minutes from the scheduled 19.33 moonrise, possibly due to some hilltops over the horizon that the moon had to clear first, as well as the thick haze enveloping KL these last few days. By 20.45, it was huge, beautiful and high in the sky. Took photos, but unfortunately unable to upload them here. Will work on it.
We are now fasting dawn to dusk for the next ten days. For now, I am convinced that bro Dr Ayman's interpretation of the relevant verses is the best, until and if I find a better one.Yes, it does take a little while after its rise for the full-moon to clear the hilly terrain and trees. It is amazing how the great reading pinpoints the exact spot where the full moon rises. I just tell my family to look at the aferglow of the sunset and then turn 180 degrees to the darkest point in the sky where the night seems to be spreading out from. From that exact point the full-moon eventually appears exactly like the signs in the great reading say. It is a great experience to witness the god's signs in action. God bless you and your family.
Peace and best regards,
Ayman
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Peace dear brother Abdelilah,
I'm afraid we won't be able to witness the full moon over here. Very cloudy in Belgium and the Netherlands. We hope for the best. For those of you who are lucky enough to witness it http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188.msg327565#msg327565
This year I initially wasn't able to clearly see it too due to cloud cover in my area. However, I looked at the afterglow of the sunset and then turned around 180 degrees to the darkest point in the sky where the darkness seemed to be spreading from. Amazingly, just a little over the horizon there was this orange glow faintly coming from behind the clouds. My family was amazed at how I was able pin point the location of the full-moon and identify it despite the cloud cover. This is because the god's signs showed me exactly where to look. Later the moon rose enough to be above the clouds in the distance and we were able to see it between the clouds.
Peace and god bless you,
Ayman
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Salam,
It has been cloudy in London, UK... but there was some periods of clear, and I have quite a few pictures I managed to shoot with my smartphone...
I selected a few
It would have been nice if I could get shots of the moon lower to the horizon, but it was below buildings, and there were clouds then...
comment the Moon came from the opposite direction to the Sun, i.e. from the West...
PS. I do not know how to insert them here as images... (
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https//www.dropbox.com/s/aajzs8z4ztzm0q7/20130623_234431.jpg
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Salam, I'm not sure if it is able to upload image file but you can copy and paste the image link like this
Click on the Mona Lisa's icon above these emoticons and insert the image links beween the two ]'s.
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Salaam,
Took photos, but unfortunately unable to upload them here. Will work on it.
Ok, worked it out using "TinyPic.com" - thanks bro Ayman.
- At 7.52pm, KL time, Sunday 6/23/2013, above invisible treelined hilltops - emerging super full moon almost imperceptible
http//i43.tinypic.com/5me4ps.jpg
- At 8.42pm, from a different location in KL, surrounding looks clear due to using flash
http//i41.tinypic.com/2m2xobn.jpg
- At 8.44pm, from the same location as 2. above but not using flash
http//i40.tinypic.com/s17y3s.jpg
Best and God bless.
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Peace everyone.
This picture was taken on top of the Lousberg at Aachen, Germany one hour after the calculated rise of the moon. It wasn't reddish anymore, but slightly yellow. I am sorry for the bad quality of my camera.
http//i42.tinypic.com/2psq3jd.jpg
About half an hour earlier I could see the moon shining deeply orange through the clouds, but unfortunately only for a few seconds and only a small part of the moon was visible. Nevertheless I can imagine how impressive this full moon would have been, if there were no clouds obstructing its light. I was impressed anyway.
Peace,
Timur
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God willing, it will work now
http//i44.tinypic.com/2hdqiy0.jpg
this is an interesting one, as it seems to moon is reflected off the clouds themselves
http//i44.tinypic.com/2h3pthw.jpg
when sky became clearer, on its own, almost
http//i41.tinypic.com/2zzhpcj.jpg
behind a window (suffers from refraction)
http//i40.tinypic.com/2mc9lir.jpg
All praise belong to Allah the Master of the Universe...
Salam
Nabil
PS - using http//tinypic.com
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peace
bravooo quraniyoons are going to fast in the full moon of summer solstice, now they will be worshipers of the sun.
what I understandThe year has 12 (aljazeem/almaany dictionaries=months, declare, announce, proclaim, promulgate, etc. but never full moon, so full moon=conjecture. is moon ) and we have to fast 1 and not a number of days as many twist it.
2185 of Ramadan in which the Qur'an was ...... Hence, whoever of you lives to see then shall fast it ...........
as you see the word says to fast the shahru, and not in the shahru. the "in/therein" is none existing, so the translators must be adding it. Maybe they wish to fast a short time in it and not it.now, the problem of confusion because every body says, "is not a month but a number of days, " is because of the next two verses, but lest see them in a different light2183O YOU who have attained to faith! Fasting is ordained for you as it was ordained for those before you, so that you might remain conscious of God (2184) during a certain number of days. But whoever .....
as you see the verse number and word "fasting" are being added, but if we remove that, we end up with the fragment "a number of days"; however, this is solved if we add this fragment to the previous phrase, then we se the complete meaning. Arranged in this way, without adding or deleting words, the verses are not referring/talking about to the length of fasting anymore, but to the purpose of the fast.2183O YOU who have attained to faith! Fasting is ordained for you as it was ordained for those before you, so that you might remain conscious of God during a number of days. But whoever .....The cycle of the moon even in the polytheist calendars has been for thousands of years from when first appears until it disappears. If we accept your wonderful find o that a cycle of the moon is from one full moon to next full moon, then a day is from mid day to mid day , and not from down to dusk. Definitely, no body can guide to whom God wants to lead astray '(.