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    savage_carrot
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    It is not that what you are going to do next. You have been doing all the while the same.

    Kindly give the difference between what I am saying and what belief in God is; and how and where I am differing.

    Allah is Intent in hearing.

    Ooh and drfazl is on the attack again after once again ignoring posts, points and reasoning altogether. I don't feel like indulging your feigned ignorance on what that difference is when it's something that is in every post and is perfectly clear. Your insistence that belief in God means avoiding doctors, medicine and anything whatsoever other than prayer. Anyone who believes in going to a doctor to get a cure is committing an unforgivable sin. Anyone who uses medicine is prideful and evil and knows better than God. There is no evidence for this. This is a huge claim.

    You cannot teach? Read 1094. Your parents taught you how to pray God. And you teach your kids to how to pray God. Is not it? And many different ways to God? Through temples and synagogues and churches? Or God's way is the one and only way? And can you explain the one way to God? When did I say believe in Me? Or are you lying? Show me the line where I had asked people to turn to me and not to God?

    God is Listening.

    Already answered. No, you cannot teach faith. I'm not surprised that you don't get what it looks like where you're a mufti in a q&a session. Drfazl what should I do for my ear ache? 2 recitations every day and call me after a week.

    If you had not forgotten this Truth, you would not associate man mad medical assumptive knowledge to God's fool proof Almighty Power. If you had read all my posts which I am sure you had not, you would have understood what 'fool proof cure' means. Please have some patience to read before writing.

    Please go.

    Nobody is associating man mad medical assumptive knowledge to God's fool proof Almighty Power. I keep repeating this constantly. Please have some patience while reading your posts? Really, now the gloves come off. I've READ your non evidenced claims over and over in different threads in different ways, it takes me 45 minutes to respond to most of these posts because I want to be sure I've understood. Can you say the same Mr. Piecemeal Responder Who Asks After Days Of Posts Explaining The Difference What The Difference Is Between Belief In God And His Own Belief? This just shows how self absorbed you are and how much you've read of anything.

    The same thing what the MM would do when their patients die. Before death they would say pray to God. But in my case they are already in the hands of God. They are not in my hands. Read fool proof cure and. Take time.

    God is with the Patient. This is a basic teaching.

    Everything is in the hands of God. Whether they're with doctors or not. You forget that God is in full control. Read the quran and take your time. God is not with those who make claims insisting what belief in God comprises of according to their own opinions.

    No. Sulaiman was carried by the air when Allah made the air become subservient to him. And Allah's Grace is not forbidden to any one. Seek such guidance from Allah. This is teaching the Faith. Yet the airplane we have now in no way could be equal to what Allah granted for Sulaiman. When you hit the air pocket in the high sky you would drop like a dead log. You cannot command the air. Do you get it?

    Here we go again. This is not teaching the Faith. Who is saying we command air except you? You think people believe doctors are god and those that ride in airplanes think they are commanding air. No one is saying this. It's evident in your posts that even basic reasoning is suffering.

    No. Very practical view. Do not rely on doctors who would finally say, "Pray to God!" At that point of time God might not forgive us. S turn to Him from the start. This is faithful view. 418; 4085.

    Care to read Quran? God sees what is in your heart and what you speak openly.

    People with accidents die at the "emergency accident care" of MM with brain death. And organs are stolen or traded. So what is the big deal?

    Stop with the useless tactics and give some evidence of your claims besides picking irrelevant verses based on one or two words. Let us search the quran for repentance and death and voila. How is this even responding? Who said the doctors told patients to pray before they die? 3 guesses, oh what the heck, it was once again YOU. Who is saying people at emergency accident care have their organs stolen and that is no big deal? YOU. You constantly disrupt with something no one is saying. They're called red herrings and avoiding the subject. This is not even something subtle that no one can see except a few.

    And you may want to call Jango off. It's clear he thinks you're a very hardy plant but this is neither the time nor the place.

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      oneandonly
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      Hello Dr, I am 32 year old and married for 2 years. I am having severe body ache all the time (around neck,collar bone,around shoulder, arms, back and in the foot joints if I stand for long time) for past 3-4 years. I was working in an IT field for more than 10 years and I quit my job post my delivery. We are blessed with a girl baby. Due to this pain, I am not able to breath freely, not getting energy to do routine household works. I also worry that i am not able to take cae of my baby well.People around me say many reasons, it could be due to Calcium deficiency,Bone deficiency, low Hemoclobin content, muscle stiffness, weakness in the body etc., and advising me to take treatment for the same. But I have ignored those and am sincerely praying only God to cure for me and I strongly believe that he would help me to releive from this stress one day. I realised the presence of God and all his great blessings after I met you and you showed me the path to him. From then onwards, I have left everything with him and seeking his guidence only from him to lead my rest of life. I had gone through many hurdles since my childhood for food, place, clothes, education etc.,With the blessings of God, I was able to provide the basic needs of my parents and my siblings and recovered from the sufferings. Now, I want to get -rid off my problem soon and stay healthy to take care of my family and my child well. Please do share your suggestions/help/advice on your part. Thanks a lot !! --By Nasira
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      I have prayed for you. Let me know from this moment how you feel about all your pain and post here after a week. Allah alone is sufficient for you to cure your problems from now onwards. Pray for patience for God is with those who are patient.

      May Allah Bless Us All

      Salaam drfazl,

      Above was copied from your site www.foolproofcure.net. Now, I have some questions for you?

      If you are saying going to doctors is associating doctors with God, was not this lady associating you with God? So, why were you helping her? Why didn't you ask her not to seek help from you but from God? Instead you simply prayed for her and console her that she will feel better from that moment onwards... This is absurd for me...

      peace

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        oneandonly
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        Drfazl what should I do for my ear ache? 2 recitations every day and call me after a week.

        Do not worry savage_carrot, I will pray for you. let me know in few days how you feel. brickwall brickwall brickwall

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          savage_carrot
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          Why, I feel better already! Droneandonly you're my only hope ;D

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            Jango
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            Do not worry savage_carrot, I will pray for you. let me know in few days how you feel. brickwall brickwall brickwall

            Bang Bang Bang.. What else you do when you get away from Truth

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              Jango
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              Ooh and drfazl is on the attack again after once again ignoring posts, points and reasoning altogether. I don't feel like indulging your feigned ignorance on what that difference is when it's something that is in every post and is perfectly clear. Your insistence that belief in God means avoiding doctors, medicine and anything whatsoever other than prayer. Anyone who believes in going to a doctor to get a cure is committing an unforgivable sin. Anyone who uses medicine is prideful and evil and knows better than God. There is no evidence for this. This is a huge claim.
              Already answered. No, you cannot teach faith. I'm not surprised that you don't get what it looks like where you're a mufti in a q&a session. Drfazl what should I do for my ear ache? 2 recitations every day and call me after a week.
              Nobody is associating man mad medical assumptive knowledge to God's fool proof Almighty Power. I keep repeating this constantly. Please have some patience while reading your posts? Really, now the gloves come off. I've READ your non evidenced claims over and over in different threads in different ways, it takes me 45 minutes to respond to most of these posts because I want to be sure I've understood. Can you say the same Mr. Piecemeal Responder Who Asks After Days Of Posts Explaining The Difference What The Difference Is Between Belief In God And His Own Belief? This just shows how self absorbed you are and how much you've read of anything.
              Everything is in the hands of God. Whether they're with doctors or not. You forget that God is in full control. Read the quran and take your time. God is not with those who make claims insisting what belief in God comprises of according to their own opinions.
              Here we go again. This is not teaching the Faith. Who is saying we command air except you? You think people believe doctors are god and those that ride in airplanes think they are commanding air. No one is saying this. It's evident in your posts that even basic reasoning is suffering.
              Stop with the useless tactics and give some evidence of your claims besides picking irrelevant verses based on one or two words. Let us search the quran for repentance and death and voila. How is this even responding? Who said the doctors told patients to pray before they die? 3 guesses, oh what the heck, it was once again YOU. Who is saying people at emergency accident care have their organs stolen and that is no big deal? YOU. You constantly disrupt with something no one is saying. They're called red herrings and avoiding the subject. This is not even something subtle that no one can see except a few.

              And you may want to call Jango off. It's clear he thinks you're a very hardy plant but this is neither the time nor the place.

              Savage... You are already in Savaged Condition now... One Non Believer will join with another Non Believer...Get the company of oneonly

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                savage_carrot
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                Bang Bang Bang.. What else you do when you get away from Truth

                We watch this or this depending on our mood.

                Savage... You are already in Savaged Condition now... One Non Believer will join with another Non Believer...Get the company of oneonly

                You apparently want the company of the trash section again.

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                  oneandonly
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                  Why, I feel better already! Droneandonly you're my only hope ;D

                  I am glad you feel better!! BTW it is not me who has healed your pain!! It was God. You did not go to doctor and I prayed for you. God loves those who do not go to doctors!!! whatever

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                    oneandonly
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                    Bang Bang Bang.. What else you do when you get away from Truth

                    Salaam Jango,

                    Since it seems you are a puppet, would you mind answering my questions on behalf of drfazl please?

                    Answer that makes sense would be appreciated.

                    Peace

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                      savage_carrot
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                      I am glad you feel better!! BTW it is not me who has healed your pain!! It was God. You did not go to doctor and I prayed for you. God loves those who do not go to doctors!!! whatever

                      I'm going to insist you create a website oneandonly...where others can benefit from you not healing but God healing. It's even better if you have a Q&A session where you can tell us how your prayers didn't help.

                      Messed up eh.

                      God helps those who help themselves has apparently never crossed drfazl's mind. Then again, his idea of helping oneself is to do nothing but pray for a miracle. 1311? He probably thinks it means changing their minds about going to a doctor.

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                        Jango
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                        Salaam Jango,

                        Since it seems you are a puppet, would you mind answering my questions on behalf of drfazl please?

                        Answer that makes sense would be appreciated.

                        Peace

                        Thank You and Salaam. I am more peaceful that Iam puppeting the TRUTH

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                          Jango
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                          Salaam Jango,

                          Since it seems you are a puppet, would you mind answering my questions on behalf of drfazl please?

                          Answer that makes sense would be appreciated.

                          Peace

                          Thank You Again for Saying to Puppet Truth

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                            newmoon
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                            Peace to All

                            Iam sure for you all it would be difficult to digest Dr.Fazl's website FOOLPROOFCURE,

                            but still as a beneficiary I would like to reiterate my views. Initially it was difficult

                            for me also to accept a cure for a chronic disease just by faith/prayer healing, but

                            having seen MIRACLE the sign of cure , was not easy to snub away, by God's grace.

                            Thereafter Dr.Fazl's every Sunday speeches, articles in monthly magazine and

                            website, books and weekly TV speeches, helped me and my family members in

                            gaining confidence in FAITH HEALING. Do not mistake it as a blind belief,

                            for when one is able to get a clear idea of why a disease occur , cure results in

                            reversing the cause. For example dis-ease is a result of loosing our easiness.

                            So by God's grace if we tread in the path of ease we would be disease free.

                            Refer 87-8, 92-7

                            For a believer, the path of ease would become easier and easier for the days to come,

                            wherein existing diseases would not only go away, also one can prevent disease.

                            Regards

                            Balachandran

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                              Man_of_Faith
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                              Peace,

                              Why does this give me the feeling of when Christians praise Jesus?

                              God bless you

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                                stillearning
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                                Aoa

                                I am glad you feel better!! BTW it is not me who has healed your pain!! It was God. You did not go to doctor and I prayed for you. God loves those who do not go to doctors!!!

                                & the cheque is in the post for your prayers healing her & saving her from the evil doctors.

                                Regards

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                                  drfazl
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                                  Ooh and drfazl is on the attack again after once again ignoring posts, points and reasoning altogether. I don't feel like indulging your feigned ignorance on what that difference is when it's something that is in every post and is perfectly clear. Your insistence that belief in God means avoiding doctors, medicine and anything whatsoever other than prayer. Anyone who believes in going to a doctor to get a cure is committing an unforgivable sin. Anyone who uses medicine is prideful and evil and knows better than God. There is no evidence for this. This is a huge claim.

                                  You understand very well about the unforgivable sin; but again start rejecting because you cannot come out of the evil death at the hands of MM. Why? I will ignore such dark-minded posts after this one.

                                  Already answered. No, you cannot teach faith. I'm not surprised that you don't get what it looks like where you're a mufti in a q&a session.

                                  If you had answered why should ask the same question again. You will never learn what Faith is because of your abstruseness.

                                  Drfazl what should I do for my ear ache? 2 recitations every day and call me after a week.

                                  Should I answer this mockery of Allah's Way or Verses? Tis is the way of the rejecters.

                                  And see what you shout now? Mad at who? When you shout, how come you are calling me to have patience? I am not shouting at 14 pts. Real madness. I could have avoided this post. But you would say I have ignored the post. I will teach you basic method of exchange of views. Write only if you have coherence of thoughts.

                                  Nobody is associating man mad medical assumptive knowledge to God's fool proof Almighty Power. I keep repeating this constantly. Please have some patience while reading your posts? Really, now the gloves come off.
                                  .

                                  I am ignoring you. Here again read your own posts and write again. Before that read the responses and try to understand. Take one topic at a time. Or take one word at a time to understand the full meaning before conversing. For example the quote below

                                  I've READ your non evidenced claims over and over in different threads in different ways, it takes me 45 minutes to respond to most of these posts because I want to be sure I've understood. Can you say the same Mr. Piecemeal Responder Who Asks After Days Of Posts Explaining The Difference What The Difference Is Between Belief In God And His Own Belief? This just shows how self absorbed you are and how much you've read of anything.
                                  Everything is in the hands of God. Whether they're with doctors or not. You forget that God is in full control. Read the quran and take your time. God is not with those who make claims insisting what belief in God comprises of according to their own opinions.
                                  Here we go again. This is not teaching the Faith. Who is saying we command air except you? You think people believe doctors are god and those that ride in airplanes think they are commanding air. No one is saying this. It's evident in your posts that even basic reasoning is suffering.
                                  Stop with the useless tactics and give some evidence of your claims besides picking irrelevant verses based on one or two words. Let us search the quran for repentance and death and voila. How is this even responding? Who said the doctors told patients to pray before they die? 3 guesses, oh what the heck, it was once again YOU. Who is saying people at emergency accident care have their organs stolen and that is no big deal? YOU. You constantly disrupt with something no one is saying. They're called red herrings and avoiding the subject. This is not even something subtle that no one can see except a few.

                                  Now you tell me there are no thousands of accident care deaths at the hospitals every day? Are there no brain deaths at the hands of the doctors? And the organs are not stolen such as kidney racketeers? Have you not heard of all these around the world day in and day out?

                                  And you may want to call Jango off. It's clear he thinks you're a very hardy plant but this is neither the time nor the place.

                                  The red herrings and out of subject. Stick to one topic at a time. Whew! I think I must ignore you totally. Please find someone who wants to put up with your tantrums.

                                  Salam
                                  Savage_carrot
                                  Salam again for good.

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                                    You understand very well about the unforgivable sin; but again start rejecting because you cannot come out of the evil death at the hands of MM. Why? I will ignore such dark-minded posts after this one.
                                    No one comes out of death, evil or otherwise, just sayin'. You've been ignoring pretty much everything anyways, why the need for repetition?

                                    If you had answered why should ask the same question again. You will never learn what Faith is because of your abstruseness.
                                    Wrong choice of fancy word?

                                    Should I answer this mockery of Allah's Way or Verses? Tis is the way of the rejecters.

                                    And see what you shout now? Mad at who? When you shout, how come you are calling me to have patience? I am not shouting at 14 pts. Real madness. I could have avoided this post. But you would say I have ignored the post. I will teach you basic method of exchange of views. Write only if you have coherence of thoughts.
                                    Lol. Mirror + drfazl = irony. 14 pt is nothing. Even if I turn it up to 20 it would still be incoherent whispering to you. Out of all the content in the posts, this is what throws you into a frenzy? Really? Right. Font size is where drfazl draws a line. It's okay for his cronies to 'shout' verses and thoughts in the same font size however. Hypocrisy much?

                                    Now you tell me there are no thousands of accident care deaths at the hospitals every day? Are there no brain deaths at the hands of the doctors? And the organs are not stolen such as kidney racketeers? Have you not heard of all these around the world day in and day out?

                                    Red Herrings (in 14pt!)

                                    The red herrings and out of subject. Stick to one topic at a time. Whew! I think I must ignore you totally. Please find someone who wants to put up with your tantrums.

                                    The real disrespect is refusing to answer any content whatsoever. On top of that, by putting allegations on the other person of being "incoherent, mad and throwing a tantrum" makes you appear to be a victim and garner support. When all along you're the one who's been disrespectful, making false claims and refusing to provide evidence, trying to sidle and slide out of answering pretty much anything, by bringing in organ removal, organ stealing, The Who (not even the band because that might have earned you some points) and so on. These tactics may serve you well in other places since you seem to have a lot of practice with them, but not here and not with me.

                                    Salam
                                    Savage_carrot
                                    Salam again for good.
                                    It's not like I haven't read that one before.

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                                      stillearning
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                                      Aoa SC

                                      Wow admire your tenacity, same page as number of Rocky Films (showing my age) & still trying to get a teeny weeny sentence of fact or logic. May God continue to give you patience for many more pages.

                                      Regards

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                                        savage_carrot
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                                        Ws SL,

                                        I saw Rocky too! Though as a kid and probably not when you watched it gramps Logic and fact apparently are on vacation in the good doctor's case. Let us pray they come back.

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                                          stillearning
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                                          Aoa

                                          Now you tell me there are no thousands of accident care deaths at the hospitals every day? Are there no brain deaths at the hands of the doctors?

                                          I don't think the good lady or for that matter any one with an ounce of common sense will argue against accidental deaths in hospitals. However it is hardly a CIA or KGB kept secret. However it does not prove your point that medicine & it's practitioners are evil. The benefits of medicine are infinitely greater than any harm that may be caused & before you start off one your long and pointless rants. It is universally acknowledged.
                                          When you want to get in a modern vehicle, car, plane or whatever takes your fancy. You want to be somewhere quicker than if you set of purely on what you may perceive what Mother Nature gave you, namely feet. You may want to be near a loved one to pray for them or stick a needle into them to save their life. If distance of thousands of miles then you may be able to stick a needle quicker if you utilised modern transport. Whatever choice you make there is chance you night be involved in an accident and die. In this instance the disadvantages will outweigh the benefits. However I doubt that you walk everywhere.

                                          Anyhow the harms of alternative practitioners like needle stickers & supposed holy curers do is phenomenally greater than any perceived benefit.

                                          And the organs are not stolen such as kidney racketeers? Have you not heard of all these around the world day in and day out?

                                          For goodness sake grow up. Unpleasant humans in every walk of life not just medicine, although considerably less than many other areas.

                                          Regards

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