Nearness and Guidance -> Knowledge and Wisdom = Peace and Prosperity
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where? Thanks.
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No misfortune can happen on earth or in your souls but is recorded in a decree before We bring it into existence That is truly easy for Allah
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No affliction comes about but by Allah's permission; and whoever believes in Allah, He guides aright his heart; and Allah is Cognizant of all things.
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And people are naught but a single nation, so they disagree; and had not a word already gone forth from your Lord, the matter would have certainly been decided between them in respect of that concerning which they disagree.
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And they did not become divided until after knowledge had come to them out of envy among themselves; and had not a word gone forth from your Lord till an appointed term, certainly judgment would have been given between them; and those who were made to inherit the Book after them are most surely in disquieting doubt concerning it.
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Peace,
I think drfazl brought up the ayah I was thinking of. Otherwise I have another one I can look up at some point when I have the opportunity. Right now I am not at home and looking for an ayah on this cellphone is dull.
God bless you
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No misfortune can happen on earth or in your souls but is recorded in a decree before We bring it into existence That is truly easy for Allah
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No affliction comes about but by Allah's permission; and whoever believes in Allah, He guides aright his heart; and Allah is Cognizant of all things.
It is not pre-recorded, but recorded - evreything in your souls.......e.t.c
No affliction comes but by permission of Allah, according to circumstances......nothing about a pre-record .......
or is that wrong?
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Peace dear brother 357,
I will look that up more specifically later. To be honest, I would rather things were like you said since it seems more in harmony that way. But those Muslims that believe strongly in fate think differently.
But I think it is a false security to depend too much on one's fate.
Actions in life make a difference and we are born with free will, that is what I believe. But God may have laid out a destiny for us, I believe that too. If He wants us to follow something He decided no one can prevent that.
God bless you
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It is not pre-recorded, but recorded - evreything in your souls.......e.t.c
No affliction comes but by permission of Allah, according to circumstances......nothing about a pre-record .......
or is that wrong?
Peace
357
Man of FaithThat was not my translation but a cut and paste of the verse. Can you explain your conclusion?
Can you read this para 1 & 2 of my post http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg330991#msg330991 and see if there is an explanation to 5722?fazl
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Peace drfazl,
Sorry for being confusing dear brother. While I believe in free will and actions, I also think this is what we are made to believe and feel about our existence. God knows everything and it would be to humiliate His grand intelligence to say otherwise. I tried to convey in another thread that I believe that God is able to work on several levels of awareness at the same time, beyond our ability to comprehend. At the same time, we have free will to make choices in our lives, but God always gets what He wills, there is no doubt about that.
If we cannot make choices in life then this trial is redundant, irrelevant. No, we have free will and can consciously disobey God and wreak havoc, however God can put an end to that any instant since He is omnipotent and aware of everything which happens down on atom level. God is in total control and we cannot escape His Knowledge of everything. Our deeds have dire consequences and God's plans are seamlessly applied to our running "game" world.
God created souls of energy which he inserted into our living bodies which are mortal while our bodies are eternal unless God decides to destroy them is where my philosophies go.
But that everything is already decided before we start would be making this trial redundant, not necessary. It is against logic. God also says he wants to expose the hypocrites and company.
God bless you
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God bless you,
Our souls (which are energy) were inserted into our mortal bodies here on Earth.
I wrote the wrong word in the end, it was supposed to be "living bodies which are mortal while our souls are eternal unless God decides to destroy them". The souls are detached from the bodies when we die.
God bless you
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God says this world is nothing but a trial to boastful men, to try their efforts and luck and see if they have any say over anything God had created in the skies and on the earth and that are in between. All your efforts will avail nothing lively. They cannot create a mosquito or a fly. Either you become a servant to the One Creator who shall make the creative force subservient to you; or to the contrary, if you want a FREE-FOR-ALL, it is towards your own destruction and you know that well. All your trial will teach you It is "Trial and Error" never "Trial and Success" in your trial to create life with liveliness. You cannot get back anything from a fly if it takes away a thing from you. What free Will we want? Choice is between life and death; between health and diseases; between creation and destruction what is your choice?
We are self-suffering, self-destructive, self-defeating and suicidal by opting for our free will i.e. freeing ourselves from the Will of God. Free-will is thus shaitan being active in every one's mind who does not reflect the liveliness of all the created things of God.
Peace,
drfazl -
Our souls (which are energy) were inserted into our mortal bodies here on Earth.
Peace Man of Faith,
Where is the evidence that our souls are energy?
Peace 357, drfazl, Man of Faith, and the rest of the family
57/22 is one of the most debated ayats I have ever encountered. There have been
some lengthy discussions about predestination. If we are going to debate this amazing
subject, let us first decide which ayat/ayats we will read, that will hopefully shorten the debate.
My choice as a starting point is 18/60-82. If any one has another ayat or ayats concerning
al-Qadr please feel free to contribute (65/11, 10/19, 42/14) are examples.I will start the discussion
Time as we know it does not exist for God. yes/no
The articles of faith
Amantu billahi wa malaikatihi wa kutubihi wa rusulihi wal-yawmil-akhiri wa bil-qadari khayrihi wa sharrihi minallahi taala wal-ba?thu ba?dal-mawti haqqun
Amantu billahi I believed in the existence and oneness of Allah, that He has no partners or counterparts, that He has all kinds of loftiness and that He is free of all kinds of deficiency.
Wa malaikatihi I also believed in the angels of Allah.
Wa kutubihi I also believed in the books of Allah.
Wa rusulihi I also believed in the prophets of Allah.
Wal-yawmil-akhiri I also believed in the Day of Judgment.
Wa bil-qadari khayrihi wa sharrihi minallahi taala I also believed in the destiny, that everything that seems as good or evil to us take place through the knowledge, law and creation of Allah.
Wal-ba?thu ba?dal-mawti haqqun I also heartily believed in life after death (and resurrection). All of them are true and right.peace
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Peace hawk99,
The fact that the souls are not destroyed at death means they must be some sort of energy not permanently attached to the physical bodies we have during our stay on Earth. These seem to be contained by God in whatever way is beyond my comprehension.
Anyway, when the physical body dies here on Earth the soul matter is contained somewhere. It is not destroyed why it must be an energy, like people tend to talk about spirits. But I say spiritual energy. We are then brought back to God as He tells us in Quran, but the soul needs to be contained somehow. If you talk about my game allegorical ideas it would mean the data (energy) is backed up and saved in the memory.
It is not all that important, but if the souls were not a separate entity we would vanish at the moment of death, no more consciousness.
Well, the thread is not really about the thing you bring up for discussion. Anyway, for me it is clear that we can affect our path and choices in life make a difference or the Quran would feel very strange in its meaning. The meaning of God's trial and reason why we even are here would be redundant if we were not able to have free will or everything was already decided. It is basic logic in my opinion.
God bless you
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Peace hawk99,
The fact that the souls are not destroyed at death means they must be some sort of energy not permanently attached to the physical bodies we have during our stay on Earth. These seem to be contained by God in whatever way is beyond my comprehension.
Anyway, when the physical body dies here on Earth the soul matter is contained somewhere. It is not destroyed why it must be an energy, like people tend to talk about spirits. But I say spiritual energy. We are then brought back to God as He tells us in Quran, but the soul needs to be contained somehow. If you talk about my game allegorical ideas it would mean the data (energy) is backed up and saved in the memory.
It is not all that important, but if the souls were not a separate entity we would vanish at the moment of death, no more consciousness.
Well, the thread is not really about the thing you bring up for discussion. Anyway, for me it is clear that we can affect our path and choices in life make a difference or the Quran would feel very strange in its meaning. The meaning of God's trial and reason why we even are here would be redundant if we were not able to have free will or everything was already decided. It is basic logic in my opinion.
God bless you
Peace Man of Faith,
Thank you for your reply, please ignore my previous post.
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Peace hawk99,
You are welcome brother. Do not worry about it. Religion is a very abstract and mind-intense topic (even if it should not be) and it is easy to fall unto conjecture. One has to seek refuge in God before attempting.
I am sometimes philosophizing on things I do not know for certain, but then I try to make it clear.
Also I try to honestly say it is beyond my comprehension why things are like they are in some cases.
But the topic I bring up in this thread, the main topic, is based on my understanding of Quran and is no guesswork. It might be heavy paraphrasing, but it was my aid to explain step A to B on the religious ladder, or chain in my story.
Of course Quran is truly enough, but it can always be interesting to view things in different ways as long as they follow the Truth. Mine is more like an illustration or more "baby level" of the religious path. Ah well, the human is the most argumentative type, they need much convincing. I cannot let go of that heifer memory when I speak to you
"How much Nearness? When will Guidance come? What should I do with my Knowledge? Why will I gain a peace of mind first at the end?"
God bless you
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Nearness and Guidance -> Knowledge and Wisdom = Peace and Prosperity
Post 3 ? Nearness and Guidance part 2
Peace be unto you,
Let us continue to elaborate on this thing called Nearness.
The most important thing to begin with on the path to become a Believer and not ?just? a muslim is to search for God?s Nearness. This is the most fundamental parameter in the acts of worship of God. Unless we try to get closer to God, He will not give us Guidance. The Nearness can be achieved not mainly through prayers but especially by heeding God and serving Him, the Unseen, through peacemaking (islamic) deeds.
As I have mentioned in past posts in other threads, we can summarize that the main goal in islam is to reach an inner Peace, and that meaning a peace with both yourself and your surroundings. Now in this thread I am finally trying to explain what I actually mean through this entire chain. We need to move from A to B, that is truly what we need to do, by picking up things along the way, which are things like Guidance, Knowledge and Wisdom. A is when beginning to obtain Nearness and B once we reach the Peace. And when the whole chain is complete, although the links can always grow stronger, we can finally call ourselves Believers (or Mo?meen).
But to return to the step by step explanation; only by performing righteous, peaceful deeds and by showing a moral character can we get God?s attention and He will start to become our ally, sometimes instead of Shaytaan who has often been misleading us through our lives without perceiving. We are not invulnerable from the deceptions of Shaytaan when we get closer to God, but God will provide protection, especially if we ask for it which we should. This whole first part is what I consider the Nearness.
Let us move over to Guidance.Guidance could be regarded as relatively closely connected to Nearness, but I consider it separate. However, I added it together with Nearness because they go hand in hand more or less. You will notice the connection quite colorfully soon as I continue to explain. Anyway, once Nearness ?points? have started to accumulate and there is a sense of Nearness, God will begin to grant us Guidance. Guidance is in the form of inspiration which influence our ability to make righteous decisions in life positively.
We can see it metaphorically as if God is lighting our Path ahead of us. Remember the poem I added in my previous post. It describes this idea pretty well. The stronger the Guidance becomes, which can never get maximized, the clearer the Path is in front of you. As the poem tells; it is not always easy to appreciate how much God is helping us until we ponder about it, and we will not continue on the chain towards Peace as long as we do not do so.
Once the Guidance parameter has grown very strong, the inspiration gained will also feel very real. God will show Himself through signs to you; more potent the strength of Guidance. I have no doubt if the level gets strong enough that God could literally speak through you. And an intelligent blessed man or woman can identify a guided Believer through how much this person ?shines?. Thus the person is practically infused with the Holy Spirit, which is also known as the spirit of God.
God is not speaking with us (directly) except under very special circumstances, but if He was it would feel like a very strong penetrating light (you can understand this by reading God?s own description of Him in a part of Quran when he talks about himself as a lamp). Either way, this is not what is meant with this talk about the Holy Spirit. God may contact us through an angel and then the angel is disguised as a man, according to what the Quran tells us. But in most cases and for most humans, God will never show such strong signs as sending an angel. They are only in special cases if the human is part of a plot which God has arranged or He has any particular interest in this person and God consider him/her very exceptional. The Believer should never expect God to show up or anything, and even if God shows something spectacularly strong at one occasion it can take months or years until you see something like that again. A year is nothing for God, and a Believer should also realize the life is very short and will soon be called back to his/her Creator. We should not become ?praise-junkies? and think God will reward our reverence every other day by showing a sign.
Now we more than covered everything which had to do with Guidance, or rather we did not even cover the half of it, but detailed information may come after I finish going through all the parts of the Believer chain. While the Guidance is growing strong, we will start to move over to the next part of the chain called Knowledge and Wisdom, and it is a very rewarding part of the whole Peacemaking work. It is connected to Guidance, but not as closely as between Nearness and Guidance. The sense of reward from God will be quite immense and I will be really happy if many of you who may be reading these posts will also feel this once we ascend on God?s ladder.
You can say this is the religion of islam; this is what islam is and it is nothing like sectarian ?Muslims? consider it to be. God is not a grumpy old man with beard who seems to be wearing military uniform and yelling ?do 4 rakah, not 3 rakah?, ?you have to use three stones to wipe your ass?, ?eat only with your right hand?, ?use my prayers to say salam to Muhammad (where did this come from anyway?)?, ?this is haraam, that is haraam, music is haraam, pictures on the wall is haraam? bla bla?, ?You should sit it your mosques commemorating all your heroes because they are most honorable, they were really worth praising (why?)?.
No, this last part in the above paragraph is not islam. It was a sarcastic remark on the ones who are the enemies of God. They blaspheme in God?s name and invent a lot of strange restrictions and rules which God never authorized, and they mock and ridicule God in many ways too. If there would come a Messenger now, many of today?s ?Muslims? would be the new enemies of God?s Messenger without perceiving it themselves. History would just repeat itself, the pagans of Muhammad?s time would be the pagans of our time, ie the ones who once worshiped the statues would fight for their idol Muhammad and his family instead.
The last paragraphs were a bit off-topic, but why not some God propaganda as well? Let there be Light and there was Light.
Next time, God willing, I will move over to ?Knowledge and Wisdom? unless I do not find a reason to add something to Nearness and Guidance.
?May the Force (of God) be with you?; Or if you want to hear my regular phrase ?God bless you?
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Once the Guidance parameter has grown very strong, the inspiration gained will also feel very real. God will show Himself through signs to you; more potent the strength of Guidance. I have no doubt if the level gets strong enough that God could literally speak through you. And an intelligent blessed man or woman can identify a guided Believer through how much this person ?shines?. Thus the person is practically infused with the Holy Spirit, which is also known as the spirit of God.
Peace Man of Faith,
Thank you for your post. It rings true on many things I believe and understand about the Quran. I've really enjoyed reading it and I especially like that part, it's a beautiful way to put the nature of a guided Believer. I appreciate the effort that must go into this.
May Allah swt reward you for your efforts
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Thankyou, I will wait for the next part peace
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Peace supportpeacenotwar,
You are welcome. We should praise God for all our righteous inspiration. It took me about 2.5h of my night to write it, but I gladly do for God. The Quran is easy and should be enough for people, but it is always nice to see a linear perspective of it. If I gather any information outside the boundaries of Quran I will state that, rest assured. I may present information which is not directly from Quran, as long as it is following the guidelines of it and does not invent any weird rituals or restrictions for which I have no authority. (Jokingly), if it would be a scripture, rest assured I would write 'Bismillah Al-Rahmani Al-Raheem', but only God's authentic scriptures carry this stamp -)
Anyway, if God revealed yet another revelation, it would not change much from the Quran and may only be modern language but yet in the same unimitable composition which the Quran was revealed. The Message would remain the same, guidelines the same and the same goal to reach 'islam'. Of course, the new scripture would probably have a new worried Messenger feeling grief over the disbelief of people around him and the Muhammadans would stick to their idol.
Peace drfazl,
Sadly it is true, in case a Messenger of God would come today many so-called Muslims would literally attack this person if they had a chance and would cause much misery because they would reject him. As always happens, and as we can read in Quran, the history repeats itself despite the clear signs of the Lord. They interpret a verse in Quran as Muhammad was the last Messenger and Prophet, but even the interpretation of the Old Testament of the Bible tells there was a Messenger of God which was the last and may have caused the Jews to reject Jesus.
I cannot foresee the future, except by God's leave, but I certainly feel it is about time to teach another generation a lesson and show how many were the people who went astray again after God's last Messenger, Muhammad, who allegedly came about 600 years after Jesus.
Note The above paragraphs about future Messenger was talking hypothetically. I do not know any arrival of a Messenger nor do I know God's plans. Only time will tell. But who would deny the theory that a new Messenger would not be right on spot? So much falsehood would be exposed once again.
God bless you both
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Salaam,
I will be writing on this thread in about a month or two, God willing. I know I have left it hanging. I finished Nearness and Guidance but never got to Knowledge and Wisdom. I lacked inspiration at the time and that was why I stopped. And the upcoming topics are more advanced in their nature. It was a deliberate move. I wanted the posts to be of good quality.
God bless you
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Peace!
One of those threads that really made me think... if anything is clear, it's that The God is clearly watching this forum and guiding the entire work.
Fundamentally The God's plan is to take care of the believers every which way. The right minds are brought here, and there, to deliver words and so on. It seems there is a storm of reformation already occuring, it is a matter nowadays less so of introducing genuine quranic sense (although many such introductions will need to take place) and more so of helping others to connect the dots. The dusty creaky house of misconception of 'IslamJihadAllahMuhammadPBUH' is being replaced by a shiney smooth polished and serene Palace of well, peace!
It's already quite clear that the children of the next generation are going to be growing up quickly knowing of their true nature as Divine citizens. They have been hurt severely by the last few generations and a lot of them are growing up directly wounded by the evils of the past idiots and consequently realising clearly so that peace is the way, submission to the creator. But also there is now the creation of a hypocrite who is also in that kind of path for show and glamour. Incredible isn't it! It shows one thing that this life is simply completely irrelevant.
At the end of it, no matter what you really do, history repeats itself. And human nature, we all know human nature, if we do not laugh at it we WILL be crying! It seems it is the design of The God and for the express purpose of the probation of the entire human race that it is this way.
That is to say that The God trials humans in every season. We have four generations
Spring Growing from immense suffering, this generation works very hard to create the New World
Summer The offspring of the prior generation grows up and continues the hard work, appreciating and witnessing the prior generation's hard work
Autumn This generation is born into the basking radiance of Summer and knows nothing of the hard work or struggle of either generation before except a faint mention; the first generation where ingratitude overtakes gratitude
Winter Nothing is known of hard work and the parents are idiots, and ingratitude reins and The God sends down pestilence!
Repeat!Really there is no saving the world nor healing ultimately anyone but your self. If you heal yourself, you will be in a state of radiant bliss and everyone who sees you will wonder, "hey, what does this person do?" and automatically you will be a messenger of good news. But there is no point trying to save the world The God is taking total care of the Earth itself as always, even as it seems like this is the worst it gets. As we know, man might be wiped clean off the Earth but Earth itself will tick tock away like it ain't a thing, so fret not. Our place is simply to heal ourselves individually, prove to the world at large that even in this incredible disease world, we are Healing and Healable, and to preserve the greenness of the Earth. Through these actions, peace will intrinsically establish itself. We do not need to champion any ideal like "quran only", such things only continue to transmit the vibration of separation and disinterest and hatred. True Peace is characterised by words and feelings that none but the hellworthy reject and as regards such people the entire population of Earth together including the others, will hate them anyway - incredible, isn't it? Such is the Way of The God!
I am stuck at a very bizarre point myself and I was wondering if anyone had an idea. My mind is going around in loops and my days are relatively empty. I have already found the way to total inner fulfillment and also something deeper and grander beckons total activation of the human body. If you guys understand the chakra system, basically we are capable of being straight up superhuman beings. Actually what the "normal" people would consider "superhuman" is actually just human, truly human. When the crown chakra is fully open and transmitting and receiving Divine Light, you get a kind of fluidity manifest in your day to day living that is quite, radiant, shall we say. Miracles become commonplace and there is something far deeper at work. Telepathy, psychokinesis, all manner of things. I shall add to this in time but suffice to say it did not take the body 15 billion years to be shaped and formed for it to end up being really good at eating, shitting, walking around, talking, watching TV and nothing else. Let's put it that way!
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