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What is God's role with Born Disabled?

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    stillearning
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    Aoa

    Ooh a direct response! Should I feel honoured your high buddhaness?

    You should not be the only one. Page after page of asking for simple evidence including.

    Smallpox
    Evidence that societies without access to MM have better maternal/child mortality
    How ovary is an empty sac
    How charging used 2000 is not the same as the dirty notes..... The list of non response to factual questions is endless.

    & then lo & behold. Response to such a challenging quote

    What relevance has chartered accountant with healing? Or are you trying to impress by your professional qualifications.

    That was a quotable quote a chartered accountant has no relevance with healing for he cannot suffer from diseases.

    Since you have responded. Can you then explain why the above profession is more relevant than say if he had been a road cleaner.

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      drfazl
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      Quran it is the guidance for people of all the worlds; to the heavens and the earth, and for the men and the jinns for all time. Men and jinns have different kinds and source of births. Dwelling places are different. Foods are different. The human life is totally visible while the jinns are invisible. Our languages are different. Under such circumstances Quran shall have to function as an unifying language for the people of all the worlds. Quran is the language for both men and jinns. 3117 shall have to guide both the people. How come men's dictionary and grammar and meanings could be suitable to the rest of the people's of all the worlds?

      Unless every verse is taught by Allah, you are ignorant of Quran.

      Each verse should guide each of all people of all walks of life under various individualised situations, if we believe Quran is guidance for all people, all time.

      Unless every verse is taught by Allah, you are to be misguided.

      There should be no contradiction between any two verses of Quran. So every single verse of it has coherence with the rest of 6000 and odd verses. So as you read Quranic ayat from any page, it should give guidance to your presenting situation, individually.

      Unless Allah teaches directly, we are in total loss.

      This is my way of rehearsing Quran. So in this forum I speak only of what I have gained from any single verse. And surely Allah guides me.

      Next 16 78. Says Allah has no role in the born disabled except human role.

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        newmoon
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        Unless every verse is taught by Allah, you are ignorant of Quran.

        Unless every verse is taught by Allah, you are to be misguided.

        Unless Allah teaches directly, we are in total loss.

        Peace All

        551 The Most Merciful

        552 Taught the Qur'an,

        553 Created man,

        554 Taught him the mode of expression, of Qur'an.

        876 By degrees shall We teach, so you shall not forget.

        Regards

        BalaChandran

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          es
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          offtopic , but "drfazl", is this you http//www.foolproofcure.net/whoami.aspx ??

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            drfazl
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            Es, yes

            drfazl

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              newmoon
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              Peace.

              There are things we were given with abilities and disabilities. We were put in a situation of no choice. The no choice situation is a condition we have to learn to accept and live with. It is in that condition we begin our journey of discovering, learning, and seeking the Truth, in constructing our belief, shaping our thoughts, molding our intentions, professing our emotions and directing our actions. It is in that condition we reason, we decide and we choose whether to be positive or negative, who and what to blame or to blame or not to blame, and so on and so forth.

              Peace zone

              As a Human we are, with abilities and disabilities. We are given a choice, say for abilities, either to show our gratitude or ingratitude by pride, and say for disabilities, either turn towards to HIM Alone, or turn towards already decaying men and materials, leaving HIM Alone in lurch.

              Pride conditions us to see a mole as mountain, ceasing our vision for the unseen bright future.

              Piety/Submissiveness unconditions us, in seeking the Truth, strenghthening our Beleif in seeing the bright future, helps us in discerning between good/bad, true/false, right/wrong, just/unjust, lively/lifeless, authentic/unauthentic, real/surreal, genuine/bogus, and so on.

              This eases us to tread in the Straight Path of Peace (ISLAM- The way to SALAM), without falling victim to emotions, effortlessly with patience, wanes away our diseases/disabilities, provided we do not blame others, except us, for our shortcomings.

              I think and I believe that this is my condition. Everyone is subjected to his/her own conditioning. So live in it or not to live in it? It is ones condition in his/her life-time zone. In that condition, within that life span, I can choose to surrender or to strive.

              The day will come when I shall meet the God, and I have to decide what would be my best approach to be in the meeting. I have to reason out whether I should ask, what have you got for me for my total surrender or I should ask, I have believed and I am certain on this Meeting and I am ready to receive and read my book of deeds.

              It is upto one to surrender to HIS Will which can be only Good or struggle with
              one's own free will of choices to have a free fall to hit the ground.

              Here goes the ayats for those who surrender to HIS Will

              2437
              Men whom neither merchandise nor sale diverts from remembrance of Allah and constancy in prayer and paying to the poor their due; who fear a day when hearts and eyeballs will be overturned;

              2438
              That Allah may reward them according to the best of their deeds, and add even more for them out of His Grace. And Allah provides without measure to whom He wills.

              Here goes the ayats for those who do not surrender, with their choices of free will

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              And those who disbelieve, their deeds are like the mirage in a desert, which the thirsty man deems to be water; until when he comes to it he finds it to be naught, and there he finds Allah, so He pays back to him his reckoning in full; and Allah is quick in reckoning;

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              Or is like the darkness in a vast deep sea, overwhelmed with a great wave topped by a great wave, topped by dark clouds, darkness, one above another, if a man stretches out his hand, he can hardly see it! And he for whom Allah has not appointed light, for him there is no light.

              Should I seek other for guidance and help?

              My Lord,
              16-7 Guide us to the straight path. The path of those upon whom You have bestowed favor, not of those who have evoked anger or of those who are astray.

              Think about it. hmm
              Zone

              When we seek guidance and help for petty earthly matters, what should forbid one, in seeking the guidance, for Quran, to know about skies, earth and in between, which could solace our heart with PEACE.

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              But if you are in doubt as to what We have revealed to you, ask those who read the Book before you; certainly the truth has come to you from your Lord, therefore you should not be of the disputers.

              217
              And We did not send before you any but men to whom We sent revelation, so ask the followers of the reminder if you know not.

              Regards

              BalaChandran

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                newmoon
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                Peace All

                The Quality of any end product depends upon the force acting behind one's intentions/thoughts.

                Hence Good intentions/thoughts results in goods.

                Similarly Bad intentions/thoughts would obviously lead us to bad results.

                Just go through this link

                http//vactruth.com/2012/07/09/7-examples-pharma-fraud/

                How come we expect, HEALTH CARE from these people, whose intentions are predominantly nothing but WEALTH CARE.

                It is even not good enough, to blame these people, because due to our bad intentions, we treat good as bad and vice-versa.

                Verbally we believe that, health is wealth, but mostly we earn wealth at the cost of health, and the truth is that we cannot compensate our health with earned wealth.

                we have no other go, except to turn towards the ONLY PROTECTOR for our safety, in all aspects.

                Hence it is upto us to change our intentions for good, by seeking forgiveness and help from HIM ALONE.

                Regards

                BalaChandran

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                  savage_carrot
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                  Latest Myth & Truth

                  Thanks for your prayer Dr.I am feeling better than before. --By Nasira
                  Not Allah be praised...thank YOU for your prayer doctor. Good times.

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                    drfazl
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                    Not Allah be praised...thank YOU for your prayer doctor. Good times.

                    Funny lady! Veery mischievous!

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                      newmoon
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                      Latest Myth & Truth

                      Thanks for your prayer Dr.I am feeling better than before. --By Nasira

                      Not Allah be praised...thank YOU for your prayer doctor. Good times.

                      The above reply by Nasira was the response to previous week consultation given on page 2- third question

                      http//www.foolproofcure.net/mythandtruth.aspx as below

                      Hello Dr, I am 32 year old and married for 2 years. I am having severe body ache all the time (around neck,collar bone,around shoulder, arms, back and in the foot joints if I stand for long time) for past 3-4 years. I was working in an IT field for more than 10 years and I quit my job post my delivery. We are blessed with a girl baby. Due to this pain, I am not able to breath freely, not getting energy to do routine household works. I also worry that i am not able to take cae of my baby well.People around me say many reasons, it could be due to Calcium deficiency,Bone deficiency, low Hemoclobin content, muscle stiffness, weakness in the body etc., and advising me to take treatment for the same. But I have ignored those and am sincerely praying only God to cure for me and I strongly believe that he would help me to releive from this stress one day. I realised the presence of God and all his great blessings after I met you and you showed me the path to him. From then onwards, I have left everything with him and seeking his guidence only from him to lead my rest of life. I had gone through many hurdles since my childhood for food, place, clothes, education etc.,With the blessings of God, I was able to provide the basic needs of my parents and my siblings and recovered from the sufferings. Now, I want to get -rid off my problem soon and stay healthy to take care of my family and my child well. Please do share your suggestions/help/advice on your part. Thanks a lot !! --By Nasira

                      I have prayed for you. Let me know from this moment how you feel about all your pain and post here after a week. Allah alone is sufficient for you to cure your problems from now onwards. Pray for patience for God is with those who are patient.

                      May Allah Bless Us All

                      Reply for the above by Nasira after a week in page 1 of link

                      http//www.foolproofcure.net/mythandtruth.aspx

                      Thanks for your prayer Dr.I am feeling better than before. --By Nasira

                      How a cure through a prayer is possible?

                      http//www.foolproofcure.net/newsbulletin.aspx?qid=75

                      To know about the causes of various categorised diseases

                      http//www.foolproofcure.net/questions.aspx

                      Regards

                      BalaChandran

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                        zone
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                        Peace.

                        Thank Allah for creating all these phenomena for me to seek knowledge, your ayats in the heaven and the earth and within me. With the knowledge i discovered i am able to make good choices and decisions for my wellness. I have not seen a doctor for many years. My salah, my life and my death is for my Rabbilalamin. My dua is directly to Allah. I don't need others to pray for me, to guide me or to heal.

                        My Lord, i have believed so put me among those who practice good deeds (amal sallih), and be among those who observe and study your creations sincerely to discover the truth. So we may share the knowledge among us with praises to Allah Lord of the worlds.

                        Zone.

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                          zone
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                          Peace.

                          Just to add.

                          Everyone is concern about total wellness these days, particularly medical practitioners. Those who observe the functional nature of the universe are more likely to understand cause-effect and action-reaction. Those who study the biology, chemistry and physical nature of the human self are more likely to understand processes and laws governing and functioning in the body. Surely, those scientists are more knowledgeable than ordinary people. The fact is anyone can be like them through learning and studying. Due to differing degree of knowledge one has, if one needs to know in depth about let say the nervous system talk to a neurologist.

                          Nobody, except the God, is an expert in everything. So I recognize the work and effort of medical practitioners, and I often talk to them on matters of health and wellness in their areas of expertise in talks and seminars.

                          To me and those who have similar views, we strive at all levels of God consciousness to strive to arrive at the truth and to be accountable and God fearing.

                          The issue here, what is wrong with medical science, human biology and everything related to diseases and illness discovered by science, evolving with time. Every action there is reaction, so what?s wrong with that? There are failures and wrongdoings in every sphere of human endeavor. There are speakers of truth and there are liars. As mentioned earlier all knowledge and quest for knowledge are relevant in this earthly life, so what?s wrong with earthly knowledge?

                          As per guidance, nobody can say/claim he/she is guided. Nobody can verify a person who is able to heal others by prayer is guided by the God and given the powers to serve as such. They always say and claim that this is the work of the God, so trust, believe and certain in this.
                          I dare not talk something that I have no knowledge of or which I can?t verify.

                          I am not anti-information or anti-knowledge. I am against false claims, assumptions, unverifiable facts, rejection of human knowledge, misuse of ayats in the Quran for personal glory and dues.

                          Zone.

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                            savage_carrot
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                            The above reply by Nasira was the response to previous week consultation given on page 2- third question

                            I know, you know, we all know so thanks but there was no need, it's been discussed before on this thread.

                            Funny lady! Veery mischievous!

                            Indeed.

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                              Wiselite
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                              Hi Administrators,

                              Just curious. What does this emoticon mean and in which context I should use it O0
                              Awaiting your reply,
                              Gita.

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                                drfazl
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                                WHAT IS GOD's ROLE IN BORN DISABLED.

                                1678
                                And Allah has brought you forth from the wombs of your mothers while you know nothing- and He gave you hearing and sight and hearts that you may give thanks.

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                                If Allah were to be thanked, we shall keep in mind that Allah is Final, Most Complete, Most Competent. Allah gave us the ears and said to the mothers "Listen! You must have a descendant verifying a Word 'BE!' from Allah, and Honorable, and Chaste, and a Bondsman from among the good ones." But they never listened; nor did they repeat after Him with their fullest hearts. They only followed what the shaitan's taught them as knowledge on how to carry and take full care of a growing baby. Thus the baby loses connection with God's Command, Honour, and Chasteness, and politeness. That baby is a growing, arrogant and to be a social animal. It is because their mothers did not thank God by submitting and prostrating before their God, when they were asked to 'Listen!' to His Command.

                                During the delivery the mothers only fear Allah and speak to Him, pleading with Him for the safest delivery. But before, they openly believed and associated the doctors, taking their assurances into account. Allah has already warned us that we cannot have two hearts and two deities for worshiping. Allah says Observe carefully with the eyes I gave you and associate not partners unto me and step not out against My Command "I am your Creator; I create in the way I Fashion; I make your progeny a Complete and Competent one." But they fell in the deaf ears and upon their eyes were the screens; and they began believing more and more the images shown by MM on their screens.

                                Now the last moments of signs begin to near.

                                Because of the heart full pious prayer before delivery by the mothers, when Allah delivers them good, they must have been thankful to God using their hearts' discerning powers. But they again failed in this also and said rather "I have been given it only by means of my knowledge. Nay, it is a trial, but most of them understand not." Because of their such sayings their hearts have been finally sealed for good and you shall not see many among them as people thanks giving. They would mock at and pounce upon any one who speaks against their knowledge in favour of God's Almighty Power of wisdom.

                                As a recompense the mothers have to bear the satanic trait in their genes, which had started spreading their tentacles across the globe as hereditary. Even today they had not turned to God for they cannot. Allah says"I will turn away from My communications those who are unjustly proud in the earth; and if they see every sign they will not believe in It; and if they see the way of rectitude they do not take It for a way, and if they see the way of error. they take it for a way; this is because they rejected Our communications and were heedless of them.

                                1678
                                And Allah has brought you forth from the wombs of your mothers pure from satanic knowledge- and He gave you listening ears and observing eyes, and discerning hearts that you may give thanks.

                                "Why should Allah chastise you if you are a people 'thanks-giving and believing'? And Allah is the Multiplier of rewards, Knowing."

                                Even this topic "what is God's role in the Born-Disabled?" is the off shoot of the strong belief in the satanic knowledge of MM, with a mark off sarcasm on God.

                                Next 225
                                Born-Disabled is the handiwork of MM's satanic knowledge.

                                Peace
                                drfazl

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                                  unknownuser
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                                  Peace Mr Fazl.

                                  1678
                                  And Allah has brought you forth from the wombs of your mothers pure from satanic knowledge- and He gave you listening ears and observing eyes, and discerning hearts that you may give thanks.

                                  BLUEWhy you inserting the word shaytaan in that verse, while this act is forbidden (read 275 and 279)?

                                  Salaam
                                  Earthdom

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                                    DrGm
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                                    Peace Mr Fazl.

                                    BLUEWhy you inserting the word shaytaan in that verse, while this act is forbidden (read 275 and 279)?

                                    Salaam
                                    Earthdom

                                    Earthdom Peace,

                                    kindly read again the post.

                                    The post of DrFazl starts with 1678 without the said insertion. If we read the post we know he is applying the ayat in the context, for Quran is for all and all contexts for the individual till the end of the world.

                                    The application of the ayat gives warning as well as glad-tidings from God. If the application of the ayat diverts us away from God, then what you refer can be considered. I do not understand, what made you refer 275,79.

                                    peace.

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                                      unknownuser
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                                      The post of DrFazl starts with 1678 without the said insertion. If we read the post we know he is applying the ayat in the context, for Quran is for all and all contexts for the individual till the end of the world.

                                      Peace Mr Gm

                                      I agree with you if the Quran is applicable anykind of situations, eras and by any people from different background.Quran is the Guidance for muttaqin (22).

                                      Maybe I missunderstood drfazl's post because I'm not a medical practicer, so I don't understand about MM, Shaytan doctor, etc.

                                      Salaam

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                                        drfazl
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                                        Good post DrGm

                                        Peace

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                                          newmoon
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                                          Peace.

                                          Thank Allah for creating all these phenomena for me to seek knowledge, your ayats in the heaven and the earth and within me. With the knowledge i discovered i am able to make good choices and decisions for my wellness.

                                          Peace zone

                                          I am created, I am breathed into, I am watered, I am fed, I am freed of my waste, I am made to sleep, I am gifted with discerning ability to distinguish between right and wrong for me to tread in straight path of peace, I am made to die, I am resurrected to be in Heaven or Hell endlessly thereafter depending upon my choice of Good or Bad, in this life.

                                          Where is the question of i discover, wherein we equate to God, thereby sealing in our goods, yet to come. Generally our choices are poor/bad, not for the betterment.

                                          I have not seen a doctor for many years.

                                          Good that you have not seen doctors for many years, but be careful for, your near ones would hijack you at the time of crisis. Be in gratitude and fear God that no bad should befall you.

                                          4147
                                          "Why should Allah chastise you if you are 'thanks-giving and believing'? And Allah is the Multiplier of rewards, Knowing."

                                          My salah, my life and my death is for my Rabbilalamin. My dua is directly to Allah. I don't need others to pray for me, to guide me or to heal.

                                          To pray, to guide or heal is God given wisdom, either to choose it or seek mundane, past decaying knowledge, is upto you to decide.

                                          My Lord, i have believed so put me among those who practice good deeds (amal sallih), and be among those who observe and study your creations sincerely to discover the truth. So we may share the knowledge among us with praises to Allah Lord of the worlds.

                                          Zone.

                                          2148

                                          And every one has a direction to which he should turn, therefore raise towards good deeds; wherever you are, Allah will bring you all together; surely Allah has power over all things.

                                          Peace

                                          BalaChandran

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