Can Adam/Even be a metaphor?
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Peace Family,
Here are a few ayats to consider regarding adam
O people, observe your Lord; the One who created you from one being, and created
from it its mate, then spread from the two many men and women. You shall regard GOD,
by whom you swear, and regard the parents. GOD is watching over you.O children of Adam, do not let the devil dupe you as he did when he caused the
eviction of your parents from Paradise, and the removal of their garments to expose
their bodies. He and his tribe see you, while you do not see them. We appoint the
devils as companions of those who do not believeHe created you from one person. Subsequently, He gives every man a
mate to find tranquility with her. She then carries a light load that she can hardly notice.
As the load gets heavier, they implore GOD their Lord "If You give us a good baby, we
will be appreciative."Adam had no mother or father, while jesus had no father.
The example of Jesus, as far as GOD is concerned, is the same as that of
Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him, "Be," and he was.This is the truth from your Lord; do not harbor any doubts.
And of course "Adam" is a proper male name and not a country or community.
We are also refered to as the children or decendants of adam 36/60, 19/58,
17/70, 7/172.God Bless
peace
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Salaam,
Thank you very much. I noticed you placed a post about Adam, as well, and from my short skimming (I will read it all tomorrow insh'Allah), it seems you believe "Adam" is not a single man, but "Man" as in "Mankind?" This was my original belief, as well, but other posters here have given strong arguments that Adam was a true human being among a civilization of humans. I will read more insh'Allah )
If you carefully read my post in this thread you will come to see that both of these are true.
Adam is a specific group or subset of humanity that as a collective, due to entering into a covenant of union, function as a single body of flesh and bone. Prior to entering into this covenant, they are brought to a level of spiritual enlightenment that enables them to be champions for liberty and those laws of God that foster the protection of everyone's unalienable rights granted by our Creator.
You can think of the Founding Fathers of the USA as an example of Adamic souls. However, the USA is only a partial foreshadow of the Kingdom of the Father that is yet to obtain its victory. This Kingdom is the Kingdom that is given to Adam in the latter days as prophesied by Daniel. And, even though Adam and His Bride (the Church) transgress and fall, They are ministered to and redeemed and They are able to retake Their throne in victory and they are who rule and reign as Christ during the Millennium. This is the Kingdom and the Church in a purified and sanctified state.
Jews, Catholics, Muslims, Protestants, Mormons, etc. are all looking for the coming of Christ and for a new Wedding to take place. The Mosaic covenant will be fully completed, including the punitive provisions, and then a new Moses will deliver a new remnant and this will be a new Adam and Eve marriage covenant with a Kingship. Just as the coming of Jesus followed the format of the spring feasts, the coming of the Father shall follow the format of the fall feasts.
It's important to know the provisions of how the fall feasts work. If the barley isn't sufficiently ripe the fall harvest is called off and a new month is added to the Jewish calendar for that year and then the harvest recommences in the following month. This gives the provision for the Father to come and start the latter day harvest but for things to go awry due to the immaturity of what is being harvested. Therefore, it can be called off and started again subsequently.
So, just as Jesus was taken and reserved for a later time, so too will the advent of the Father be taken at the time of His first coming and be reserved for a later time. Then, on this 3rd advent everything will be in place for the fall harvest of souls to be performed. It will begin with the blowing of trumpets, etc. and proceed just as it says in the Book of Revelation. This is all about Christ as Adam, of which body we can be eligible to participate in because the time for the fulfillment of these prophecies is now.
The Qur'an gives confirmation to me of the truth of what I have shared here. But, I acknowledge that I read the Qur'an with a different perspective than traditional Muslims do so they may have some trouble seeing it the way I do. I would be very interested in hearing if they are aware of anything in the Qur'an that contradicts this.
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Salaam,
Thank you very much. I noticed you placed a post about Adam, as well, and from my short skimming (I will read it all tomorrow insh'Allah), it seems you believe "Adam" is not a single man, but "Man" as in "Mankind?" This was my original belief, as well, but other posters here have given strong arguments that Adam was a true human being among a civilization of humans. I will read more insh'Allah
Salaam,
You are welcome brother handshake
Thanks for reading my posts. I have an update on Adam referring to a first single person. InshaAllah, I will post my new understanding on my Adam's thread as soon as I can.May Allah bless you pr
mmKhan -
highlights above are from me.
the paradise of the LAST DAY is yet to be created. It is a FUTURE event.
Where does it state this in the Quran?
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Peace,
In fact the Paradise already exist. Those who are the "elite" will go straight to Heaven, ie to High Heaven, while the Lower Heaven will wait until the Judgment Day. If Lower Heaven exists already is not clear however, but there needs to be a High Heaven in existence already or the Quran would be contradicting itself. A bit of reading of Quran will reveal this. Take a look.
Hell, on the other hand, seems not to be in existence yet and will be created in the 'end of days'.
God bless you
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Peace,
In fact the Paradise already exist. Those who are the "elite" will go straight to Heaven, ie to High Heaven, while the Lower Heaven will wait until the Judgment Day. If Lower Heaven exists already is not clear however, but there needs to be a High Heaven in existence already or the Quran would be contradicting itself. A bit of reading of Quran will reveal this. Take a look.
Hell, on the other hand, seems not to be in existence yet and will be created in the 'end of days'.
God bless you
Thank you very much. Yes, I was doing some further reading last night and came to the same conclusion.
With peace
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Where does it state this in the Quran?
Sorry for the delay. My bad. ;D
3133,
Be quick in the race for forgiveness from your Lord and for a Garden whose width is that (of the whole) of the heavens and of the earth, prepared for the righteous.
5721,Be ye foremost (in seeking) Forgiveness from your Lord, and a Garden (of Bliss), the width whereof is as the width of Heaven and earth, prepared for those who believe in Allah and His messengers that is the Grace of Allah which He bestows on whom He pleases and Allah is the Lord of Grace abounding.
The above two verses inform us that the paradise will be as big as the whole creation. This paradise cannot exist now because there is ZERO room for it if it is going to be as big as the whole creation. It will be created through the process of evolution in the future and is going to replace the present Universe.
The following verse tell us that this Universe will end and a new one will come out of it.
21104,The Day that we roll up the heavens like a scroll rolled up for books (completed) even as We produced the first Creation, so shall We produce a new one a promise We have undertaken truly shall We fulfill it.
Verse 2920 tells us to go and find out how the creation started, then afterwards GOD will create the Hereafter.
Say "Travel through the earth and see how Allah did originate creation so will Allah produce a later creation for Allah has power over all things.
And, 5347,
And that upon Him is to bringing out the last creation.
Peace,
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Peace,
One thing does not always have to rule out another. The other world surely still needs to be created, but by reading some other verses it reveals that there is a certain part which needs to be in existence already. I have thought about High Heaven or those who are very close to God are already in place by now. But considered the state of God's religion both now and in the past this place seems to be reserved for a very small portion of Believers, probably fewer than one can fathom.
God will surely create the rest as stated in kgwithnob's verses. I believe like that for most part.
Anyway, this is my interpretation through careful study and logical deduction. It started with inconsistency as whether Paradise is already in existence or not, it seemed to indicate both cases, but later I discovered these two places in Heaven need to be treated separately. There was no contradiction in Quran (as I anticipated).
God bless you
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Sorry for the delay. My bad. ;D
3133,
Be quick in the race for forgiveness from your Lord and for a Garden whose width is that (of the whole) of the heavens and of the earth, prepared for the righteous.
5721,Be ye foremost (in seeking) Forgiveness from your Lord, and a Garden (of Bliss), the width whereof is as the width of Heaven and earth, prepared for those who believe in Allah and His messengers that is the Grace of Allah which He bestows on whom He pleases and Allah is the Lord of Grace abounding.
The above two verses inform us that the paradise will be as big as the whole creation. This paradise cannot exist now because there is ZERO room for it if it is going to be as big as the whole creation. It will be created through the process of evolution in the future and is going to replace the present Universe.
The following verse tell us that this Universe will end and a new one will come out of it.
21104,The Day that we roll up the heavens like a scroll rolled up for books (completed) even as We produced the first Creation, so shall We produce a new one a promise We have undertaken truly shall We fulfill it.
Verse 2920 tells us to go and find out how the creation started, then afterwards GOD will create the Hereafter.
Say "Travel through the earth and see how Allah did originate creation so will Allah produce a later creation for Allah has power over all things.
And, 5347,
And that upon Him is to bringing out the last creation.
Peace,
KhalilNo problem brother! I was speaking with a sister about the inconsistencies with the miraaj tale and the Quran, and this influenced me to research for evident verses. It's very kind of you to bring these verses to my attention.
However, can we be certain that the later creation is the same Paradise Allah promises to believers? I believe other verses in the Quran speak about Paradise that Allah "has prepared" signifying past tense. Is this a translation issue, or does it match with the Arabic grammatical structure?
With peace.
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Peace family,
We must be careful when dealing with time.
We already know that heaven exists because our parents resided there.
But hell may not exist yet.
Surah AN-NAZIAT (79) appears to be a surah that contains future events or a different
understanding of time.Sura 69, Incontestable (Al-Haaqqah)
The earth and the mountains will be carried off and crushed; utterly crushed.
That is the day when the inevitable event will come to pass.
The heaven will crack, and fall apart.
The angels will be all around, and Your Lord's dominion will then encompass eight.
Sura 89, Dawn (Al-Fajr)
And your Lord comes, together with the angels in row after row.
On that day, Gehenna will be brought forth. On that day, the human being
will remember, but what a remembrance, it will be too late.All have a blessed ramadan.
peace
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Sorry for the delay. My bad. ;D
3133,
Be quick in the race for forgiveness from your Lord and for a Garden whose width is that (of the whole) of the heavens and of the earth, prepared for the righteous.
5721,Be ye foremost (in seeking) Forgiveness from your Lord, and a Garden (of Bliss), the width whereof is as the width of Heaven and earth, prepared for those who believe in Allah and His messengers that is the Grace of Allah which He bestows on whom He pleases and Allah is the Lord of Grace abounding.
The above two verses inform us that the paradise will be as big as the whole creation. This paradise cannot exist now because there is ZERO room for it if it is going to be as big as the whole creation. It will be created through the process of evolution in the future and is going to replace the present Universe.
The following verse tell us that this Universe will end and a new one will come out of it.
21104,The Day that we roll up the heavens like a scroll rolled up for books (completed) even as We produced the first Creation, so shall We produce a new one a promise We have undertaken truly shall We fulfill it.
Verse 2920 tells us to go and find out how the creation started, then afterwards GOD will create the Hereafter.
Say "Travel through the earth and see how Allah did originate creation so will Allah produce a later creation for Allah has power over all things.
And, 5347,
And that upon Him is to bringing out the last creation.
Peace,
Khalil
[/quoteThe first two verses say prepared for muttiqeen in past tense confused
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...the Quran speak about Paradise that Allah "has prepared" signifying past tense...
Time and time again in The Qur'aan, GOD speaks in past tense for most future events especially the events of the Hereafter. This goes back to the fact that since ALLAAH, swt, is Omniscient, He, in His infinite knowledge, sees the future events as if they have come to pass. See for example chapter 744-50 in the Qur'aan regarding events of the judgment day.
Peace,
Khalil -
Time and time again in The Qur'aan, GOD speaks in past tense for most future events especially the events of the Hereafter. This goes back to the fact that since ALLAAH, swt, is Omniscient, He, in His infinite knowledge, sees the future events as if they have come to pass. See for example chapter 744-50 in the Qur'aan regarding events of the judgment day.
Peace,
KhalilThat's what I believed, and I agree. I also wonder, is God beyond the boundaries of the universe? (ie is He in a different dimension?) In this way, He is beyond not only space, but time, so the dimensional approach makes both past and future irrelevant with respect to God.
Thank you brother,
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That's what I believed, and I agree. I also wonder, is God beyond the boundaries of the universe? (ie is He in a different dimension?) In this way, He is beyond not only space, but time, so the dimensional approach makes both past and future irrelevant with respect to God.
Thank you brother,
With peace.highlight is from me.
2255 informs us that GOD's footstool/KORSIY is bigger than the whole creation, let alone the size of His THRONE. So, there is no place that GOD is not present. GOD is Omnipresent. there is not a spot in the Universe that GOD is absent.
Peace,
Khalil -
highlight is from me.
2255 informs us that GOD's footstool/KORSIY is bigger than the whole creation, let alone the size of His THRONE. So, there is no place that GOD is not present. GOD is Omnipresent. there is not a spot in the Universe that GOD is absent.
Peace,
KhalilAgreed
Peace Family,
God created time, science, math and even the consciousness that we use to gain
perspectives about everything else, and God is not bound by any of it.God is Al-Badi
All have a blessed ramadan
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highlight is from me.
2255 informs us that GOD's footstool/KORSIY is bigger than the whole creation, let alone the size of His THRONE. So, there is no place that GOD is not present. GOD is Omnipresent. there is not a spot in the Universe that GOD is absent.
Peace,
KhalilIf God's footstool is in a separate dimension, it can still be larger without being present within our universe. Is this plausible? ie There doesn't necessarily have to be overlap between His footstool and all of His creation, even if His footstool is larger than the creations.
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If God's footstool is in a separate dimension, it can still be larger without being present within our universe. Is this plausible? ie There doesn't necessarily have to be overlap between His footstool and all of His creation, even if His footstool is larger than the creations.
There isn't any "SEPARATE DIMENSION". Footstool/Korsiy is an allegorical example. The verse 2255 informs us that GOD Himself is much bigger than the whole Universe and that the creation is only a tiny part of GOD's kingdom.
Peace,
Khalil -
The first two verses say prepared for muttiqeen in past tense confused
Peace,
Correct! When Allah said in past tense, it is past. Every word in alQuraan is set for our understanding, not as per what Allah sees it. AlQuraan is a guidance for us, not for Allah. So, everything mentioned in it is as it is.
May Allah bless you pr
mmKhan -
Peace,
Correct! When Allah said in past tense, it is past. Every word in alQuraan is set for our understanding, not as per what Allah sees it. AlQuraan is a guidance for us, not for Allah. So, everything mentioned in it is as it is.
May Allah bless you pr
mmKhanHowever, verses 744-50 are speaking about a future event while using past tense...
And mmkhan, where in the Quran does it say that Allah exists within this universe? There are about 10 dimensions as per string theory. My point is just to say that saying something is bigger doesn't necessarily mean it is overlapping/engulfing the smaller creation. God can be above/beyond His own kingdom, can't He? I guess it's silly but I don't think God is also on the ground I walk on or at the garbage dump, nor in my digestive tract. P
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However, verses 744-50 are speaking about a future event while using past tense...
Peace brother,
Does this make sense to you? Allah GUIDING His creation by speaking a future even using past tenses? Sorry bro, I disagree. I am sure you did not read the link about jannat that I gave you earlier on this thread. Read it and tally with 744-50, inshaAllah you will understand how perfectly Allah speaks, alhamduliAllah.
And mmkhan, where in the Quran does it say that Allah exists within this universe? There are about 10 dimensions as per string theory. My point is just to say that saying something is bigger doesn't necessarily mean it is overlapping/engulfing the smaller creation. God can be above/beyond His own kingdom, can't He? I guess it's silly but I don't think God is also on the ground I walk on or at the garbage dump, nor in my digestive tract. P
My reply Novice is not on this.. )
May Allah bless you pr
mmKhan