What is God's role with Born Disabled?
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The post of DrFazl starts with 1678 without the said insertion. If we read the post we know he is applying the ayat in the context, for Quran is for all and all contexts for the individual till the end of the world.
Peace Mr Gm
I agree with you if the Quran is applicable anykind of situations, eras and by any people from different background.Quran is the Guidance for muttaqin (22).
Maybe I missunderstood drfazl's post because I'm not a medical practicer, so I don't understand about MM, Shaytan doctor, etc.
Salaam
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Peace.
Thank Allah for creating all these phenomena for me to seek knowledge, your ayats in the heaven and the earth and within me. With the knowledge i discovered i am able to make good choices and decisions for my wellness.
Peace zone
I am created, I am breathed into, I am watered, I am fed, I am freed of my waste, I am made to sleep, I am gifted with discerning ability to distinguish between right and wrong for me to tread in straight path of peace, I am made to die, I am resurrected to be in Heaven or Hell endlessly thereafter depending upon my choice of Good or Bad, in this life.
Where is the question of i discover, wherein we equate to God, thereby sealing in our goods, yet to come. Generally our choices are poor/bad, not for the betterment.
I have not seen a doctor for many years.
Good that you have not seen doctors for many years, but be careful for, your near ones would hijack you at the time of crisis. Be in gratitude and fear God that no bad should befall you.
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"Why should Allah chastise you if you are 'thanks-giving and believing'? And Allah is the Multiplier of rewards, Knowing."My salah, my life and my death is for my Rabbilalamin. My dua is directly to Allah. I don't need others to pray for me, to guide me or to heal.
To pray, to guide or heal is God given wisdom, either to choose it or seek mundane, past decaying knowledge, is upto you to decide.
My Lord, i have believed so put me among those who practice good deeds (amal sallih), and be among those who observe and study your creations sincerely to discover the truth. So we may share the knowledge among us with praises to Allah Lord of the worlds.
Zone.
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And every one has a direction to which he should turn, therefore raise towards good deeds; wherever you are, Allah will bring you all together; surely Allah has power over all things.
Peace
BalaChandran
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Peace zone
Peace.
Just to add.
Everyone is concern about total wellness these days, particularly medical practitioners.
Yes you are right, from partial temporary relief they are trying to patch up in the name of total wellness, similar to patching up of broken glass pieces into a glass, but in vain.
In Modern Medicine MM, terminology used is psycho somatic disorders which says that all diseases are due to mind disturbances, and this is conveniently ditched, only to treat several organs with several wellness practitioners organ wise, similar to spoiling the broth with too many cooks.
Those who observe the functional nature of the universe are more likely to understand cause-effect and action-reaction. Those who study the biology, chemistry and physical nature of the human self are more likely to understand processes and laws governing and functioning in the body. Surely, those scientists are more knowledgeable than ordinary people. The fact is anyone can be like them through learning and studying. Due to differing degree of knowledge one has, if one needs to know in depth about let say the nervous system talk to a neurologist.
For any Human for any difficulty in any sort of faculties, the answer lies within, provided one abides by the conscience- the inner voice.
The action generally people take is, not heed to the unseen inner voice which is a source from God with glad tidings and warnings, and the reaction is to heed the outer senses only to believe in the visible men and materials, which causes no solace to one's heart, but effect as diseases.
A person, with simple common sense, can figure out the efficacies of knowledge used in our day to day life, hoping for a better tomorrow, and he need not be a scientist.
Nobody, except the God, is an expert in everything. So I recognize the work and effort of medical practitioners, and I often talk to them on matters of health and wellness in their areas of expertise in talks and seminars.
To me and those who have similar views, we strive at all levels of God consciousness to strive to arrive at the truth and to be accountable and God fearing.
The issue here, what is wrong with medical science, human biology and everything related to diseases and illness discovered by science, evolving with time. Every action there is reaction, so what?s wrong with that? There are failures and wrongdoings in every sphere of human endeavor. There are speakers of truth and there are liars. As mentioned earlier all knowledge and quest for knowledge are relevant in this earthly life, so what?s wrong with earthly knowledge?
If one would have believed that God is an expert in everything, then why to recognize many experts in many fields.
As per guidance, nobody can say/claim he/she is guided. Nobody can verify a person who is able to heal others by prayer is guided by the God and given the powers to serve as such. They always say and claim that this is the work of the God, so trust, believe and certain in this.
I dare not talk something that I have no knowledge of or which I can?t verify.I am not anti-information or anti-knowledge. I am against false claims, assumptions, unverifiable facts, rejection of human knowledge, misuse of ayats in the Quran for personal glory and dues.
Zone.
Only, if God wills, one can see it as a Sign of Healing or sciences would rule to our dismay.
Regards
BalaChandran
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Peace zone
Yes you are right, from partial temporary relief they are trying to patch up in the name of total wellness, similar to patching up of broken glass pieces into a glass, but in vain.
In Modern Medicine MM, terminology used is psycho somatic disorders which says that all diseases are due to mind disturbances, and this is conveniently ditched, only to treat several organs with several wellness practitioners organ wise, similar to spoiling the broth with too many cooks.
For any Human for any difficulty in any sort of faculties, the answer lies within, provided one abides by the conscience- the inner voice.
The action generally people take is, not heed to the unseen inner voice which is a source from God with glad tidings and warnings, and the reaction is to heed the outer senses only to believe in the visible men and materials, which causes no solace to one's heart, but effect as diseases.
A person, with simple common sense, can figure out the efficacies of knowledge used in our day to day life, hoping for a better tomorrow, and he need not be a scientist.
If one would have believed that God is an expert in everything, then why to recognize many experts in many fields.
Only, if God wills, one can see it as a Sign of Healing or sciences would rule to our dismay.
Regards
BalaChandran
Let say you are right, we need to go your way in shaping a new world order. This is the action that you and those who have the same thoughts with you needs, close all medical faculties, psychology faculties, and everything else. The truth is in your conscience. We only need one expert, the the words of my Lord, the sea would be exhausted before the words of my Lord were exhausted, even if We brought the like of it as a supplement."
710 And We have certainly established you upon the earth and made for you therein ways of livelihood. Little are you grateful.
THINK. I am not against direct praying to the God.
Peace.
Zone.
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The problem is that your interpretation of the words of the Quran is not taken into full consideration of the whole theme/picture and mostly taken and presented out of context to justify your professional life as faith healers or prayer healers.
Just ponder about the following ayats
710 And We have certainly established you upon the earth and made for you therein ways of livelihood. Little are you grateful.
Peace.
Zone.
710 And We have certainly established you upon the earth and made for you therein ways of livelihood. Little are you be thankful.
Note First thing, we should be profusely thankful to Allah for all that He had showered upon us from the heavens; and much more is what we are promised from the skies as the source of our sustenance on earth and of all that we are promised for our living. When we were made to descend from heavenly life to earth, Allah said to Adam and His generations that He would keep sending His guidance down upon them; and whoever follows it with full of thanks shall neither fear nor grieve. Allah further says He does not benefit a thing by punishing us if only we are believers in Him alone and be ever thankful to Him. This is the established way of Allah according to 710.
And upon the earth we turn to east or west, or whichever way we might turn to, there is the guidance of Allah for those who believe in Him alone and give-thanks. If only we follow the established way of Allah on this earth no evil shall befall us.
Coming to modern medicine, whichever direction you may think in term of diagnoses and treatment, there is agony and misery. Every medicine causes more troubles than the actual sufferings of a person. Herein are the ways of destruction, not the ways of livelihood. In the first place, how come there could ever have started diseases and affliction of grief and fear if we had been obedient to 710.
Now it is up to you to say, if your following quote justifies your statement
The problem is that your interpretation of the words of the Quran is not taken into full consideration of the whole theme/picture and mostly taken and presented out of context to justify your professional life as faith healers or prayer healers.
Peace
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710 And We have certainly established you upon the earth and made for you therein ways of livelihood. Little are you be thankful.
Note First thing, we should be profusely thankful to Allah for all that He had showered upon us from the heavens; and much more is what we are promised from the skies as the source of our sustenance on earth and of all that we are promised for our living. When we were made to descend from heavenly life to earth, Allah said to Adam and His generations that He would keep sending His guidance down upon them; and whoever follows it with full of thanks shall neither fear nor grieve. Allah further says He does not benefit a thing by punishing us if only we are believers in Him alone and be ever thankful to Him. This is the established way of Allah according to 710.
And upon the earth we turn to east or west, or whichever way we might turn to, there is the guidance of Allah for those who believe in Him alone and give-thanks. If only we follow the established way of Allah on this earth no evil shall befall us.
Coming to modern medicine, whichever direction you may think in term of diagnoses and treatment, there is agony and misery. Every medicine causes more troubles than the actual sufferings of a person. Herein are the ways of destruction, not the ways of livelihood. In the first place, how come there could ever have started diseases and affliction of grief and fear if we had been obedient to 710.
Now it is up to you to say, if your following quote justifies your statement
Peace
drfazlPeace drfazl.
First, let?s come to a common understanding on livelihood.
A person's livelihood refers to their "means of securing the basic necessities -food, water, shelter and clothing- of life".
710 It is We Who have placed you with authority on earth, and provided you therein with means for the fulfilment of your life small are the thanks that ye give!
7811 And made the day for livelihood
1520 And We have made for you therein means of living and those for whom you are not providers.
You have your own ways of livelihood and you should be accountable for your actions. So does the medical practitioners. They have their own ways of livelihood.
Second, your position is extremely unfavorable toward medical practitioners. You tend to over-rule their knowledge and leading a movement in demolishing the mere existence of medical practitioners, and professed a judgment, condemning them as evildoers.
Third, you have not defined modern medicine, and even if you think you have done it, you have not set the parameter in defining the discipline.
Fourth, in my view you have failed to acknowledge the discovery of phenomena in the human body and the self as a body of knowledge in the realm of human knowledge.
Fifth, you regard human knowledge as profane whereas your God given knowledge is sacred as if you have found the key to unlock the God?s knowledge, the sacred, through your prayers. Thereupon, you think whenever you say and cite ayats of the Quran, it is godly, meaning that this is what it is meant by the God.
Finally, I wish to remind you Dr that what comes out from you (your mind) is your interpretation of the phenomena, it is human knowledge. No matter how you feel the closeness of the God in your heart and mind, nobody can ascertain that the God has given you the true guidance in all matters including peace, healings and wellness. No matter how much faith and prayers you performed. From my experience, I have seen cases of illness and disease, undefined by medical scientists using empirical methods, be cured by faith healers, using the Quran and hadith, plain water, smoke and what else.
Can you ascertain? Can anyone else verify which powers are in play? Don?t underestimate the power of jinns and real evildoers.
Yes, we should all turn to our Creator all the time for guidance, help, cure, protection and whatever through our salat, dua, zikr and good deeds, a holistic approach to God consciousness.
Peace be upon you.
Zone.
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Peace drfazl.
First, let?s come to a common understanding on livelihood.
A person's livelihood refers to their "means of securing the basic necessities -food, water, shelter and clothing- of life".
710 It is We Who have placed you with authority on earth, and provided you therein with means for the fulfilment of your life small are the thanks that ye give!
Peace, zone.
The above is your definition of 'Livelihood'. And I am going to use your own translation for better understanding of the ayat.
Basic necessity means 'the barest-minimum' fundamental requirement to start life as a grazing creature. But to the contrary Allah says in the ayat, " It is We who have placed you with authority on earth, and provided you therein with means for fulfilment of your life." I hope you understand that our definition of livelihood is very downtrodden, while Allah has created us in the Best Fashion and Model and had given the Best of all provisions. And we are expected to rise and raise in degree and grade higher and higher from where we are positioned, towards fulfilment, by turning to Allah seeking His guidance all the time. This obeying Him and being thankful.
If this means of thanks giving is adapted as our basic necessity, where is the question of down grading our life to a level of suffering and affliction? And thereafter, groping about the land for more painful survival going after life-long medical procedures until we die?
When there is a medical community, it is clear indication we have lagged behind the ayat 710
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Zone, are you there?
Allah has not left us high and dry when he sent us all down from the heavenly life to start life on this earth. Air, water, food, fruits, rain, breeze, scenic beauty with rivers, fountains, mountains and falls everywhere beyond any conceivable measure by a human brain. It is absolutely impossible for you to count Allah's Bounties upon each of you. This is the basic living condition He has provided us when He made us descend to the earth i.e with the same state of life we were living in the paradise. And Allah said "Down with you all from this state," there shall, none the less, most certainly come unto you guidance from Me and those who follow My guidance need have no fear, and neither shall they grieve;
Note the last line no fear; nor grief for those who follow Allah's guidance. Paradise has always been eternal; but the earth is short sojourn which we were placed upon because of our thankless ness to God when we were residing there. Now Allah's word is whoever I find as thanks giving, I would admit them back to eternal life of paradise. The sign from Me of their good life on this earth is they shall have no fear, nor grief.
Here we are grief struck, and fear more losses. We have reduced ourselves to creatures and have started loving animals and serpents as our companions in this world while Allah has asked us to have companions from among the good doers, the thanks giving people and Malyika. We are definitely leading a life of hell as hell-bound. All foods have been turned out to be haram for us due to our sins of not giving thanks; and all poisonous drugs and medicines are allowed in their place. Thus the very existence of medical faculties and availability of facilities towards them all around is sure sign from Allah, this is a despised and disgraced populace.
A cursed one! They would give birth to humans no more with their own poisoning; hereditary diseases gloom everywhere as pandemic. Their females would carry the evil trait. Even the basic needs of living condition is changed towards hell, its poisonous gases invading the entire atmosphere embracing more and more evil. These are full of grief of the past; and worry and fear of the future. There is absolutely no Salam in their hearts that with which they greet each other. Mostly they are a people turned out, or would turn out to be hypocritical.
God Has Nothing To Do With Born Disabled.
drfazl
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Peace drfzl.
Philosophically speaking to conclude, well if you think/feel you are now in a high plane of knowledge and comforting livelihood with the God, what can I say? As for me, I am okay with riding on horses, growing crops which may be eaten by animals, and find meanings common to downtrodden folks in paving my way to Allah.
I think I have enough said.
Peace.
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Peace drfzl.
Philosophically speaking to conclude, well if you think/feel you are now in a high plane of knowledge and comforting livelihood with the God, what can I say? As for me, I am okay with riding on horses, growing crops which may be eaten by animals, and find meanings common to downtrodden folks in paving my way to Allah.
I think I have enough said.
Peace.
Zone.Peace zone
3163 They are in varying stages with Allah, and Allah sees what they do.
3179 Allah would not leave us in the present stage
8419 You shall surely experience from one stage to other
4226 And He listens to those who believe and do deeds of righteousness,
and gives them increase of His Bounty1720 Of the bounties of thy Lord We bestow freely on all- These as well
as those The bounties of thy Lord are not confined to anyone.1287 And never give up hope of Allah's Soothing Mercy "truly no one
despairs of Allah's Soothing Mercy, except those who have no
faith."Regards
BalaChandran
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Peace zone
3163 They are in varying stages with Allah, and Allah sees what they do.
3179 Allah would not leave us in the present stage
8419 You shall surely experience from one stage to other
4226 And He listens to those who believe and do deeds of righteousness,
and gives them increase of His Bounty1720 Of the bounties of thy Lord We bestow freely on all- These as well
as those The bounties of thy Lord are not confined to anyone.1287 And never give up hope of Allah's Soothing Mercy "truly no one
despairs of Allah's Soothing Mercy, except those who have no
faith."Regards
BalaChandran
Thanks new moon
Very true verses indeed.
drfazl