Would you like to marry a hadither?
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dear Ala.
if i would be not married, I would say the same. It is clear, if you have the opportunity to discuss before entering into a marriage, you should do so.
However, to be married with several children, and then changing the faith ( ex. Sunni to Quranalone ), then there are big problems. It is then always the question of how to react and what to do?
Because I simply can't generalize, I will make no statement. The situations are different, just as the human also. Allah gives guidance to whom and when he has decided. It remains in this case just to give the matter to Allah, because sometimes you do not know whether it is appropriate to act or to be patient .... -
dear Ala.
if i would be not married, I would say the same. It is clear, if you have the opportunity to discuss before entering into a marriage, you should do so.
However, to be married with several children, and then changing the faith ( ex. Sunni to Quranalone ), then there are big problems. It is then always the question of how to react and what to do?
Because I simply can't generalize, I will make no statement. The situations are different, just as the human also. Allah gives guidance to whom and when he has decided. It remains in this case just to give the matter to Allah, because sometimes you do not know whether it is appropriate to act or to be patient ....Ofcourse sis. it is another story if you are married and you change faith. Gods example is Pharaos wife. I dont mean your husband is Pharaoh of course.
She had patient and prayed to God, still married to pharaoh. What has been done is done, we have to focus on the future inshaallah.Salam. group
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Salaam.
I know this topic is kinda old but it is just one year old right?
MARRY A HADITHER?
HELL NO! NEVER!
Oh I often imagine if I was married to a hardcore hadither who had a thick beard and often wears white robe and the Arabian male head-covering.
And if I refused to "go to bed" with him, he would say "Hey Yuliana! Obey me or angel will curse your name till morning". >DInterestingly the hadith which says that "woman who refuses "to bed" with her husband, angel will curse her till morning" is in my school Islamic textbook in Chapter Nikah (marriage).
Also, the hadith that says woman who died and if her husband is pleased by her will enter paradise is also in the Chapter Nikah in my Islamic textbook.
And I think If I was married to a hadither, he would
- Force me to wear the black sack
- Satisfy him
- Beat me if I displeased him
- Not alllow me to go out without his guardian
- Would not allow me to listen to music
- Would beat me if I communicate on internet
- Would stab or scourge me if he found out that I talked to non-mahrams. elektro elektro elektro elektro elektro
Et cetera
Ugh terrible.
My former boyfriend is a Qadiani Ahmadi. I don't see much difference between typical Sunni laws and Ahmadi laws. I asked him what he thought of dancing. "Is dancing really haram? What about ballroom dancing?" He told me that every type of dance is haram. He also supported veiling (headscarf) for women because he believed that it could prevent women from being raped. Just like Sunni thinking.
Anyways I hope I would find someone who I have been praying for. Someone that can be my soulmate? a Qur'an-alone muslim, non-19er, not so strict, cool and funny; sincere, faithful and caring.
I am just 17 years old but often think about life with a soulmate
May God give us joy and happiness ^_^
Kind regards,
Yuliana -
Interestingly the hadith which says that "woman who refuses "to bed" with her husband, angel will curse her till morning" is in my school Islamic textbook in Chapter Nikah (marriage).
Also, the hadith that says woman who died and if her husband is pleased by her will enter paradise is also in the Chapter Nikah in my Islamic textbook.
Says it all really. Pathetic.
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Salaam Yuliana,
Salaam.
I know this topic is kinda old but it is just one year old right?
MARRY A HADITHER?
HELL NO! NEVER!
Oh I often imagine if I was married to a hardcore hadither who had a thick beard and often wears white robe and the Arabian male head-covering.
And if I refused to "go to bed" with him, he would say "Hey Yuliana! Obey me or angel will curse your name till morning". >DInterestingly the hadith which says that "woman who refuses "to bed" with her husband, angel will curse her till morning" is in my school Islamic textbook in Chapter Nikah (marriage).
Also, the hadith that says woman who died and if her husband is pleased by her will enter paradise is also in the Chapter Nikah in my Islamic textbook.
And I think If I was married to a hadither, he would
- Force me to wear the black sack
- Satisfy him
- Beat me if I displeased him
- Not alllow me to go out without his guardian
- Would not allow me to listen to music
- Would beat me if I communicate on internet
- Would stab or scourge me if he found out that I talked to non-mahrams. elektro elektro elektro elektro elektro
Et cetera
Ugh terrible.
My former boyfriend is a Qadiani Ahmadi. I don't see much difference between typical Sunni laws and Ahmadi laws. I asked him what he thought of dancing. "Is dancing really haram? What about ballroom dancing?" He told me that every type of dance is haram. He also supported veiling (headscarf) for women because he believed that it could prevent women from being raped. Just like Sunni thinking.
Anyways I hope I would find someone who I have been praying for. Someone that can be my soulmate? a Qur'an-alone muslim, non-19er, not so strict, cool and funny; sincere, faithful and caring.
I am just 17 years old but often think about life with a soulmate
May God give us joy and happiness ^_^
Kind regards,
YulianaPerhaps as you progress in life, you will realise that people are not limited to the assigned characteristics of the particular categories which you choose to put them in, or indeed, the labels they associate with themselves.
Take care.
Salaam.
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I used to be a Sunni myself for a long time. I don't remember worshiping idols. Maybe u can remind me.
That's my thought process entirely when people bang on about "Sunni's" being "mushriks". I don't ever recall being a "mushrik" either, and a reminder, would, at times, be a helpful point of reference to jog my faded memory.
Peace.
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Peace family,
We are to be sure before categorizing someone without evidence and knowledge.
I have the unique position of being in contact with muslims from different backgrounds
and we talk, debate all the time, and what I find is that we all are on a journey and
one's position may change over time. Like in a good marriage, good communication
is key.Yusuf Ali O ye who believe! When ye go abroad in the cause of Allah,
investigate carefully, and say not to any one who offers you a salutation "Thou
art none of a believer!" Coveting the perishable goods of this life with Allah are
profits and spoils abundant. Even thus were ye yourselves before, till Allah conferred
on you His favours Therefore carefully investigate. For Allah is well aware of all that
ye do.Being dogmatic, self righteous, or abusive is not good for any relationship.
Communicate in the best way possible.You shall invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and kind enlightenment,
and debate with them in the best possible manner. Your Lord knows best who has strayed
from His path, and He knows best who are the guided ones.Blessed ramadan to all!
peace
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Salaam "hawk",
Peace family,
We are to be sure before categorizing someone without evidence and knowledge.
I have the unique position of being in contact with muslims from different backgrounds
and we talk, debate all the time, and what I find is that we all are on a journey and
one's position may change over time. Like in a good marriage, good communication
is key.Yusuf Ali O ye who believe! When ye go abroad in the cause of Allah,
investigate carefully, and say not to any one who offers you a salutation "Thou
art none of a believer!" Coveting the perishable goods of this life with Allah are
profits and spoils abundant. Even thus were ye yourselves before, till Allah conferred
on you His favours Therefore carefully investigate. For Allah is well aware of all that
ye do.Being dogmatic, self righteous, or abusive is not good for any relationship.
Communicate in the best way possible.You shall invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and kind enlightenment,
and debate with them in the best possible manner. Your Lord knows best who has strayed
from His path, and He knows best who are the guided ones.Blessed ramadan to all!
peace
You are a wise owl!
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Peace Yuliana,
What exactly is a 19er? You said you wanted a non-19er?
Is mere belief in the so-called 'Code 19' enough to render someone a 19er or is there any other criterion?
I believe in 19 being a identifier or sign, but I regard it as no more than that. Does it make me a 19er?
I am a 7er too in that case hypno
God bless you
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Salaam Yuliana,
Perhaps as you progress in life, you will realise that people are not limited to the assigned characteristics of the particular categories which you choose to put them in, or indeed, the labels they associate with themselves.
Take care.
Salaam.
Salaam.
I was talking about hardcore hadither. Not Sunnis in general. Sunnis in general are not really hadithers.
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Peace Yuliana,
What exactly is a 19er? You said you wanted a non-19er?
Is mere belief in the so-called 'Code 19' enough to render someone a 19er or is there any other criterion?
I believe in 19 being a identifier or sign, but I regard it as no more than that. Does it make me a 19er?
I am a 7er too in that case hypno
God bless you
Salaam,
Actually I did not mean to lable or insult anyone. I don't care if people want to believe in code 19, Quran without 9128-129 or anything else.
I just want a soulmate who isn't "19er"
Sorry if I offended anyone.
And to Hawk, I am sorry if my post sounded unwise, ridiculous or immature. I was talking about hardcore hadither, not Sectarian Muslims in general.
Says it all really. Pathetic.
Salaam Wakas,
What do you mean?
Kind regards,
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And to Hawk, I am sorry if my post sounded unwise, ridiculous or immature. I was talking about hardcore hadither, not Sectarian Muslims in general.
Peace diamantinehoneybunch,
I was stating an overall approach to life, not in the case of a person looking for a soul-mate.
I agree with you that one should marry the person that most likely resembles themselves.
like with like, kind with kind. When I got married we were both sunni, but at heart we are
both seekers. In your quest, keep your list of qualities you prefer, and stick with them after
due consultation with others who's judgement you trust. I would say that a spouse is 60%
of your happiness, therefore don't look for somebody to change but look for that special
person who is a fit. Finally, put God first, ask God for his help, then relax and be patient.How about the story of Moses and how he got married
When he reached Midyan's water, he found a crowd of people watering, and
noticed two women waiting on the side. He said, "What is it that you need?" They said,
"We are not able to water, until the crowd disperses, and our father is an old man."He watered for them, then turned to the shade, saying, "My Lord, whatever
provision You send to me, I am in dire need for it."Soon, one of the two women approached him, shyly, and said, "My father
invites you to pay you for watering for us." When he met him, and told him his story,
he said, "Have no fear. You have been saved from the oppressive people."Moses Marries
One of the two women said, "O my father, hire him. He is the best one to hire,
for he is strong and honest."He said, "I wish to offer one of my two daughters for you to marry, in return
for working for me for eight pilgrimages; if you make them ten, it will be voluntary on
your part. I do not wish to make this matter too difficult for you. You will find me, GOD
willing, righteous."He said, "It is an agreement between me and you. Whichever period I fulfill,
you will not be averse to either one. GOD is the guarantor of what we said."May God grant you your wishes
peace
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If you want to get married, can you imagine yourself with a hadither?
And for the members in a relationship/marriage are you married to an hadither? If yes, how do you deal with it?
what doesn't a hadither have that others do? Being one of them shoudnt be the deciding factor at all, its all about whether you are a good person or not!
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Peace Yuliana,
So that is an important thing for you if he is a 19er or not? What is a 19er anyway? Simply believing in some code? That is deciding if you want to marry him or not? Look at me, I am a 19er if you mean by believing in the existence of a code in the Book, but it does not make me any different Believer than a non-19er. p
ps. I am married ds.
God bless you
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Peace Yuliana,
So that is an important thing for you if he is a 19er or not? What is a 19er anyway? Simply believing in some code? That is deciding if you want to marry him or not? Look at me, I am a 19er if you mean by believing in the existence of a code in the Book, but it does not make me any different Believer than a non-19er. p
ps. I am married ds.
God bless you
Salaam,
I'm sorry if I made you angry with me.
I have already known that you are married.
What I mean by 19er is someone who extremely supports code 19 and rejects the existence of Muhammad.
I am interested in someone who has the same faith as I doI often read old topics. I have read a few people claim themselves to be messengers of GOD or call others who preachthe code 19 to be messengers of GOD. &
Btw God willing I could have the chance to read all arguments and debates regarding code 19.
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Peace Yuliana,
I guessed as much. Just asking rhetorical questions. I agree that a lot of people are completely soaked up with this phenomenon and are almost unable to do anything else useful. One has to be very careful proclaiming Messengership. The probability that just YOU are a Messenger is so extremely low it is almost non-existent. I have had feelings of responsibility towards my Lord, but I would not claim to be a Messenger lest an angel came straight up and told me or there would be a clear confrontation with the Holy Spirit.
You shall follow the commands of your Lord. Has He not inspired you and shown you undeniable signs then you are not a Messenger but just a humble servant, a blessed follower of God.
However, we can all be spreading God's religion without being Message-bearers. It is up to each and every one of us.
God bless you
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Muslims I mean Sunni and Shia. A Koranist is also a Jew(yahudi means guided and is used in the Koran for believers) and also a Christian(nasara is used in the Koran on Jesus's disciples) and also a Koranist can be a Muslim. The Koran uses many adjectives but mostly it used mu'min.
I think what happens is that many Koranist i see here are actually intolerant of other faiths. This can reflect badly in marriages as the Koranist might be always lecturing and arguing. And when the Muslim or Christian does not respond he then looks at verses in the Koran regarding the pagans and applies it on them. The Koranist tells himself or herself that the reason he is not responding because he is blind, or he has a sickness in his heart, or he is under the influence of satan etc.
Maybe I am wrong. But i do see how some here will have a hard time with any other religious tradition other than theirs.
If a person wants to eat with his right hand or wants to do 7 tawaf around ka'ba or believes that prayer should be done 5 times a day at certain times and that the prophet of the Koran will intercede for humans on the day of judgement that has no bearing to me. He or she can believe so. It does not make him a mushrik. Shirk is a big word in the Koran and is not something that we think it is. Shirk is basically undermining God and placing in the sam status as humans. Shirk is the belief that God is limited, either by nature or by fate or by abilities. Shrik sees God as a superhuman but not really all powerful.
Anotherthing i noticed is that some Koranist have more knowledge than most Muslims do and may try to use that to argue with Muslims who may want to avoid the subject. The belief that a Sunni or Shia is mushrik and an idol worshiper makes some Koranist think unless I can persuade that Sunni or Shia then only I can be with him. This creates conflicts.
Marriage requires some compromise and if you are someone who has a very narrow definition of whats acceptable than its almost impossible for different religions to work. The Koran says that God created humans belonging to different religious communities and tells us that Jews and Christians and Muslims including Koranist have one God.
Why should we then question the Koran's judgement. The Koran allowed us to marry Christian and Jews. Yet some here still refuse that. So how can you then get along with Sunnis. When we say we are non sectarian we must be true to that. The Koran says anyone who believes in God and the herefater is a believer. So lets keep that criteria and not add our own. This is what seperates us from the others, we should recognize that God is for everybody who believes in Him.
The Koran tells us there are believing Jews and Christians and non believing Jews and Christians and tells us that Muhamamd was surrounded by believers but also hypocrites who are even worst than the non believers. But the Koran reminds us that we would never be one community even if we have one God. That is God's judgement and we should accept that. We should look at people's charcater and personality and not fight over circumcission and drinking from the well of zam zam. Even if you believe Abraham was never in Mecca it really does not matter. God deals with intentions. All of us here probably have interpretations of some verses of the Koran that may be incorrect. It does not have to be that we need to straighten a Sunni or Shia out everytime he believes in something like the black stone. Koranist can be very emotional and feel the need to correct others but it could turn of people who may want religion to be somewhat traditional. As long as it does not contradict the Koran than why not?
Thank you, just what I needed.
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Peace Yuliana,
What exactly is a 19er? You said you wanted a non-19er?
Is mere belief in the so-called 'Code 19' enough to render someone a 19er or is there any other criterion?
I believe in 19 being a identifier or sign, but I regard it as no more than that. Does it make me a 19er?
I am a 7er too in that case hypno
God bless you
rotfl Laughed out loud MOF, that tickled me it did.
