Poll:How many daily Salat prayers are there?
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Peace Khalil.
You are wrong. is also used in an including manner in the great reading. 2.136 Are Abraham, Moses and Jesus no prophets? According to your logic they are not.
You are mixing apples with oranges here. What I meant by "addition not inclusion" was the number of salaats, not their meanings. Salaat is salaat be it salaatulfajr, salaatulmaghrib, and or salaatulWUSTA. What I mean here is that in verse 2238 salaatulwusta is not included in the NUMBER of salaats in "ASSALAWAAT". Whatever the number of "ASSALAWAAT", we need to ADD salaatulwusta to that number to get the total number of DAILY salaats.
On the other hand, number of ASSALAWAAT must be an even number equal or greater than 4 so it can be split in two equal parts for the salaatulwusta to sit right in the middle. The minimum for assalawaat must be 4=2+2, i.e. 2+1(salaatuleusta)+2=5 daily salaats. Hope its clear. ;D
Peace,
Khalil -
You are mixing apples with oranges here. What I meant by "addition not inclusion" was the number of salaats, not their meanings. Salaat is salaat be it salaatulfajr, salaatulmaghrib, and or salaatulWUSTA. What I mean here is that in verse 2238 salaatulwusta is not included in the NUMBER of salaats in "ASSALAWAAT". Whatever the number of "ASSALAWAAT", we need to ADD salaatulwusta to that number to get the total number of DAILY salaats.
On the other hand, number of ASSALAWAAT must be an even number equal or greater than 4 so it can be split in two parts for the salaatulwusta to sit right in the middle. The minimum for assalawaat must be 4=2+2, i.e. 2+1(salaatuleusta)+2=5 daily salaats. Hope its clear. ;D
Peace,
KhalilSalaamun alayka,
why 4 and not 6?
salaam,
Bender -
Salaamun alayka,
why 4 and not 6?
salaam,
BenderIn my opinion any even number equal or greater than 4 which concludes a minimum of 5 daily salaats, is acceptable to ALLAAH, swt, because only the minimum number is set in The Qur'aan and that is in verse 2238 and nowhere else. On the other hand, no upper limit is set, the more the merrier because we are urged to remember and commemorate GOD as much as we can.
Peace,
Khalil -
In my opinion any even number equal or greater than 4 which concludes a minimum of 5 daily salaats, is acceptable to ALLAAH, swt, because only the minimum number is set in The Qur'aan and that is in verse 2238 and nowhere else. On the other hand, no upper limit is set, the more the merrier because we are urged to remember and commemorate GOD as much as we can.
Peace,
KhalilSalaamun alayka,
ok thank you handshake
Salaam,
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Peace Khalil.
You are mixing apples with oranges here. What I meant by "addition not inclusion" was the number of salaats, not their meanings. Salaat is salaat be it salaatulfajr, salaatulmaghrib, and or salaatulWUSTA. What I mean here is that in verse 2238 salaatulwusta is not included in the NUMBER of salaats in "ASSALAWAAT". Whatever the number of "ASSALAWAAT", we need to ADD salaatulwusta to that number to get the total number of DAILY salaats.
Please learn some simple set theory, brother http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_theory
If you unite ( usage of in the reading) the set {salat al-fajr, salat-al-isha, salat-al-wusta} with the set {salat-al wusta} you clearly get {salat al-fajr, salat-al-isha, salat-al-wusta} again. You see, no problems with three salawat, although I think there are only two fixed times per day. In my view salat-al-wusta is a general desciption of salat and not an own timing.
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Peace Khalil.
Please learn some simple set theory, brother http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_theory
If you unite ( usage of in the reading) the set {salat al-fajr, salat-al-isha, salat-al-wusta} with the set {salat-al wusta} you clearly get {salat al-fajr, salat-al-isha, salat-al-wusta} again. You see, no problems with three salawat, although I think there are only two fixed times per day. In my view salat-al-wusta is a general desciption of salat and not an own timing.
Dear Timur,
A simple question for you. If the SALAATULWUSTA is included in the SALAWAAT in 2238, then why is it repeated again right after ASSALAWAAT? What is the purpose of ALLAAH, swt, commanding us to safeguard over the SALAWAAT AND the SALLAATULWUSTA.?
Peace,
Khalil -
Personally I've recently become convinced there are only two salats, al-fajr and al-ishaa. My interpretation of Al Wusta has changed after further study and understanding the context of its verse.
This is just a personal conclusion.
I want to note something as well...
Ever notice the verses where Allah asks you to glorify him at certain times?
Then looked at the verses about Salat times?
If you put them together side by side, you might get the 'jist' that I did
Basically, be in Salat/Do Salat ALL THE TIME.
Meaning as much as you can.
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salat and wusta
discussed in detail here
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=7727.0Thank you for that link, Wakas. Before reading the Quran in greater depth and looking at the other verses, I wondered about salat-ul-wusta as a literal prayer. I've been praying two daily prayer for a while now.
general discussion The point is ultimately not the amount of time you do it though. Allah swt always mentions rememberance of Him (or dare we even say non-literal Her? after all Allah swt is not male or female and male and female is created by Allah swt) and salat might be more than just prayer as such. But there is no point remembering Allah swt if we don't follow through with all other things such as compassion, justice, equality, peacefulness, not twisting our words and disguising the bitterness in them, anti-racism/anti-ethnic superiority complex etc. I mean its all a work in progress, but the point is that we aren't flippant about those other things. The other thing is that people following some hadith could be doing similar things that we are. We always want to rush in and go well some of the Christians, Jews etc, they may believe even if they still believe and follow parts of the Bible, but what about those who follow the hadith very selectively - which means that they don't bring in contentious things like women must wear a headscarf if the Quran doesn't say that plainly there either, so it's not like they twist anything. And I really do not believe that Guidance is not simply knowing to not follow hadith.
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http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/00024.%20Salat%20Suad%20Lam%20Waw/25.gif Time Bound Protocol of Servitude and Allegiance
Time Bound Protocol of Servitude and Allegiance
Sub topic It is a time bound protocol. Number and the appointed timings for its performance during a day
Number and the appointed timings for its performance during a day
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Verse 2238 below determines the minimum number of daily SALAATs (obligatory prayers) we must perform.
Safeguard over the salaatS AND the MIDDLE salaat and stand before GOD devoutly obedient.
The word SALAWAAT in Arabic is a plural noun, must be at least 3.
The word sallaatulWUSTAA means MIDDLE prayer.
SALAWAAT must be at least 4 to have a MIDDLE room for SALAATULWUSTA, i.e. 2, salaatulwustaa, 2.
Therefore, the minimum number of daily sallaats are 2+1(middle prayer)+2=5Peace,
KhalilBesides using the wrong definition of slw in 2238, by your faulty logic, "salat al wusta" is not included in the alleged "4 prayers" mentioned as "salawat". Why would it be mentioned after already including all of them? The "wa" can only be inclusive/an explanation.
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Peace all,
Just to present a different choice that can be added to this poll.
I think that we are asked to straighten (aqeemoo) our relation or relations (salat or slawate) all day long and also part of the night. Also, a balanced relationship is recommended.
Definition of RELATION
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the act of telling or recounting account
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an aspect or quality (as resemblance) that connects two or more things or parts as being or belonging or working together or as being of the same kind <the relation of time and space>; specifically a property (as one expressed by is equal to, is less than, or is the brother of) that holds between an ordered pair of objects
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the referring by a legal fiction of an act to a prior date as the time of its taking effect ?usually used with back
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a (1) a person connected by consanguinity or affinity relative (2) a person legally entitled to a share of the property of an intestate
b relationship by consanguinity or affinity kinship
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reference, respect <in relation to>
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the attitude or stance which two or more persons or groups assume toward one another <race relations>
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a the state of being mutually or reciprocally interested (as in social or commercial matters)
b plural (1) dealings, intercourse <foreign relations> (2) sexual intercourseWe are also advised to wash and have minimum hygiene when getting in contact with others, thus the verses about cleansing ourselves.
We are also advised to remember the god and his commandments (masajid) while dealing with our relationships, to have straight relations void of any crookedness.
I think also that the verses about the timing are describing an interval of time, not some specific time or times of prayer or calling on the god, which can be done anytime, anywhere, and on any position.
peace
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Besides using the wrong definition of slw in 2238, by your faulty logic, "salat al wusta" is not included in the alleged "4 prayers" mentioned as "salawat". Why would it be mentioned after already including all of them? The "wa" can only be inclusive/an explanation.
A simple question for you; If the SALAAT-ULWUSTA is included in the SALAWAAT in 2238, then why is it repeated again right after ASSALAWAAT? For what purpose ALLAAH, swt, commanding us to safeguard over the SALAWAAT AND the SALLAAT-ULWUSTA?
A simple answer for you; because ALLAAH, swt, is ordaining the MINIMUM number of daily salaats to be five/5.
Peace,
Khalil -
A simple question for you; If the SALAAT-ULWUSTA is included in the SALAWAAT in 2238, then why is it repeated again right after ASSALAWAAT? For what purpose ALLAAH, swt, commanding us to safeguard over the SALAWAAT AND the SALLAAT-ULWUSTA?
A simple answer for you; because ALLAAH, swt, is ordaining the MINIMUM number of daily salaats to be five/5.
Peace,
Khalil"Al salat al wusta" (note that is not named "salat al..." as the two at "fajr" and "isha" is already included in the "salawat". "Salat al wusta" has nothing to do with a "middle prayer". It is mentioned in the context of divorce where we are to remember our best/most balanced "salat" (bond/connection/oath/commitment), which is to God. Read through this thread http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=7727.0
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Peace all,
Just to present a different choice that can be added to this poll.
I think that we are asked to straighten (aqeemoo) our relation or relations (salat or slawate) all day long and also part of the night. Also, a balanced relationship is recommended.
Definition of RELATION
1
the act of telling or recounting account
2
an aspect or quality (as resemblance) that connects two or more things or parts as being or belonging or working together or as being of the same kind <the relation of time and space>; specifically a property (as one expressed by is equal to, is less than, or is the brother of) that holds between an ordered pair of objects
3
the referring by a legal fiction of an act to a prior date as the time of its taking effect ?usually used with back
4
a (1) a person connected by consanguinity or affinity relative (2) a person legally entitled to a share of the property of an intestate
b relationship by consanguinity or affinity kinship
5
reference, respect <in relation to>
6
the attitude or stance which two or more persons or groups assume toward one another <race relations>
7
a the state of being mutually or reciprocally interested (as in social or commercial matters)
b plural (1) dealings, intercourse <foreign relations> (2) sexual intercourseWe are also advised to wash and have minimum hygiene when getting in contact with others, thus the verses about cleansing ourselves.
We are also advised to remember the god and his commandments (masajid) while dealing with our relationships, to have straight relations void of any crookedness.
I think also that the verses about the timing are describing an interval of time, not some specific time or times of prayer or calling on the god, which can be done anytime, anywhere, and on any position.
peace
I also think this is the essence
Thanks!
sun
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My views on this have been changing recently. I'm curious as to what others think and why.
Would it be possible to add a zero as one of the choices as there are some who do not consider salat to be ritual prayers?
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Would it be possible to add a zero as one of the choices as there are some who do not consider salat to be ritual prayers?
Well, if Salat is not the ritual prayer, then what it is? Why don't you say?
