I pray 5 times dag, its that wrong?

kgwithnob

At the moment I am not fully sure about prayers; how many, how to do it right etc. so until I acquire a solid understanding I continue to pray traditional number of raka, as above, making sure to be focused on the qibla.

Just follow the people in your mosque, but do not mention other than ALLAAH, swt, in your salaat and ATHZAAN.

You say above that SALAWAAT must be which shows you are not sure and then you go on to say Therefore, the minimum number of daily sallaats are ..... what sort of conclusion is that confused

All I was trying to get across is that the verse 2238 sets the minimum number of daily ritual prayers/SALAATS at 5 times a day, and I am SURE about that.

Now I have 2 questions for you then right after the above SHAHAADAH, say your SALAAM
saying salaam to whom and why?

Finishing congregational salaat you turn your face to the person on your right and say "Assalaamu alaykum wa rahhmatullaah", then to the one on your left and say the same, like its been practiced for centuries from the beginning.

Secondly its a matter of decent etiquette to say thanks to those who do you a favour, or to send blessings to those who have done you great favour, so how does one do that?

I don't quite understand this question. If you mean mentioning of Muhammad and Ebraaheem and their families and others in your salaat, then that is against The Qur'aan.

Peace,
Khalil

diamantinehoneybunch

I dont care what you say. I know self what true islam is. Now Iam angry. I have read the quran now and i have found that Muhammed (Peace be upon him) is a big prophet. So i will continoue say the normaly prayer. In the Quran is say that People who dont think muhammed is big, dont think God is big.

I just follow the truth. I readhi the Quran self. And found the truth

So you totally reject the fact that salat must only mention and glorify God alone?
So you totally reject the truth in the Quran that we are not allowed to make distinction between prophets?

I love Muhammad but it doesn't mean I have to idolize, worship and SET HIM UP AS PARTNER WITH GOD.

So you are saying that Muhammad was superior whilst Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Noah et cetera were inferior? You make distinction between prophets and glorify Muhammad, Abraham and their families in your SALAT and set up Muhammad as partner with GOD?
I don't understand while there are so many people give Muhammad a god-like status.

Anyways, yes, he was a great person.

Aaleyah

Yes sister. As long as your salaat is for ALLAAH's REMEMBRANCE and for His COMMEMORATION alone, you are following The Qur'aan.

Peace,
Khalil

Salam!

I understand. Im just little confusted because im afraid I have to say Muhammeds (pbuh) name too. Because many muslims do it. I dont want to came to hell. But im agree With you. muhammed (pbuh) is a big prophet but not like God. So I shall listening to you who knows more than I and say the prayer With just the name of Allah

Aaleyah

So you totally reject the fact that salat must only mention and glorify God alone?
So you totally reject the truth in the Quran that we are not allowed to make distinction between prophets?

I love Muhammad but it doesn't mean I have to idolize, worship and SET HIM UP AS PARTNER WITH GOD.

So you are saying that Muhammad was superior whilst Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Noah et cetera were inferior? You make distinction between prophets and glorify Muhammad, Abraham and their families in your SALAT and set up Muhammad as partner with GOD?
I don't understand while there are so many people give Muhammad a god-like status.

Anyways, yes, he was a great person.

Salam!

No no, i dont reject that totally. Im justy afraid that I pray on the wrong way since the most muslims say Muhammeds (pbuh) name. But im agree With you. I have think about it this night, and dreamt about it. and you have right. I have to pray to Allah alone.

diamantinehoneybunch

You make very bold and false statements about others based upon either willful distortion or extreme ignorance.

VERY GOOD BRO.
Thanks for attacking me without giving me the proof that I am wrong.

Aamer

Salam!

No no, i dont reject that totally. Im justy afraid that I pray on the wrong way since the most muslims say Muhammeds (pbuh) name. But im agree With you. I have think about it this night, and dreamt about it. and you have right. I have to pray to Allah alone.

Alhamdulillah. Yes. We have to pray to ALLAH ALONE. Allah is the one who created this perfect universe, made rain fall from the clouds, made the sun shine, so that fruits and vegetables grow so that we have food to eat and a means to live. Allah did this. Not Muhammad. Muhammad delivered Allah's message and did a great job. Muhammad was a great MAN and prophet and trust me, he doesn't need our blessings. But only Allah is worthy of worship. Do you really think that when Prophet Muhammad was alive, he sent blessings on himself during Salat? Did he recite "Durood", which isn't even in Quran? Or did he worship Allah alone? Be honest with yourself. What do YOU think?

The only difference between Christians and Sunnis is that... Christians openly worship Jesus. Sunnis won't admit it, but they worship Muhammad.

Aaleyah

Alhamdulillah. Yes. We have to pray to ALLAH ALONE. Allah is the one who created this perfect universe, made rain fall from the clouds, made the sun shine, so that fruits and vegetables grow so that we have food to eat and a means to live. Allah did this. Not Muhammad. Muhammad delivered Allah's message and did a great job. Muhammad was a great MAN and prophet and trust me, he doesn't need our blessings. But only Allah is worthy of worship. Do you really think that when Prophet Muhammad was alive, he sent blessings on himself during Salat? Did he recite "Durood", which isn't even in Quran? Or did he worship Allah alone? Be honest with yourself. What do YOU think?

The only difference between Christians and Sunnis is that... Christians openly worship Jesus. Sunnis won't admit it, but they worship Muhammad.

i think Mohammed worshiped God alone. Im sure about that.

al-amiyr

The only difference between Christians and Sunnis is that... Christians openly worship Jesus. Sunnis won't admit it, but they worship Muhammad.

salaam+

How can you make such a false statement,"Sunnis won't admit it, but they worship Muhammad.". On what bases do you make such a statement? Do you worship lies, but will not admit it?

al-amiyr

i think Mohammed worshiped God alone. Im sure about that.

But of cause he worshiped God alone. That is why you are now worshiping God alone just as others are now on this forum also making the same proclamations of worshiping God alone. Your and their fore fathers were idol worshipers and then God sent muhammad(S+) with the religion of truth to destroy falsehood and all forms of worship besides God. There is nothing uncertain about this. Scholars and historians are agreed upon this.

farida

Just follow the people in your mosque, but do not mention other than ALLAAH, swt, in your salaat and ATHZAAN.
Peace,
Khalil

What!!!!! you want me to follow the head sheep among the heard ???
you advice returned

All I was trying to get across is that the verse 2238 sets the minimum number of daily ritual prayers/SALAATS at 5 times a day, and I am SURE about that
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You maybe sure about it but I have No DOUBT about Slaa anymore I learned, step by step first thing this morning from His knowledge.
May ALLAAH guide all to learn of His knowledge inshaa ALLAAH

Finishing congregational salaat you turn your face to the person on your right and say "Assalaamu alaykum wa rahhmatullaah", then to the one on your left and say the same, like its been practiced for centuries from the beginning

Again!!!! a sheep turning head to greet another sheep?
Now my question for you who to say salaam turning head if the sheep is praying on his own?

I don't quite understand this question

I am not surprised.
Respected brother,
I wrote to you in the post just above your this reply regarding 'dhakir' which you ignored, I read many of your post and do sense your passion for knowledge I see in your Reply 31 above a mixed up between Slaa and dhkir, this time allow me to give you reference from the Qur?aan 4103 And when you have completed the prayer, remember Allah standing, sitting, or on your sides .......
Bit of my understanding below

Requirement for Slaa you need ;

Before Slaa
a.) wadu / purification of bodily side
b.) Clear mind free from all sorts of intoxicant so that you know what you are saying.

a.) As you raise your hand to your head to start saying ALLAAHu Akbar you disconnect from world around and your face, nafs/mind focused on qibla
b.) your outward/ bodily actions signify greater depth regarding signs and number of raka dealing with calculations etc, which I am praying to learn that soon insha?ALLAAH

dhkir/ ALLAAH's REMEMBRANCE and His COMMEMORATION

a) No requirement for wadu and as you are in the middle of mixing up with world around you, do zikr in that state ie remember your creator.
b) No formal action/positions required.

salaam +

al-amiyr

In islaam there are five prayers when at rest and 3 when in motion ( e.g. traveling).

At rest there are

prayer time 1
prayer time 2
prayer time 3
prayer time 4
prayer time 5

When in motion there are

prayer time 1 + prayer time 2 (united in one)
prayer time 3
prayer time 4 + prayer time 5 (united in one)

Every prayer has a meaning why it is performed.

farida

In islaam there are five prayers when at rest and 3 when in motion ( e.g. traveling).

At rest there are

prayer time 1
prayer time 2
prayer time 3
prayer time 4
prayer time 5

When in motion there are

prayer time 1 + prayer time 2 (united in one)
prayer time 3
prayer time 4 + prayer time 5 (united in one)

Every prayer has a meaning why it is performed.

salaam +
I know you expect your students not to rely on you and seek guidance form ALLAAH so this confirmation is such a relief for me
God bless you my brother.
farida

salaam+
jazaakhallaah khair
+salaam 'akhiy and Shukran for clearing that up! )

faruk

In islaam there are five prayers when at rest and 3 when in motion ( e.g. traveling).

At rest there are

prayer time 1
prayer time 2
prayer time 3
prayer time 4
prayer time 5

When in motion there are

prayer time 1 + prayer time 2 (united in one)
prayer time 3
prayer time 4 + prayer time 5 (united in one)

Every prayer has a meaning why it is performed.

Salam, Will you please elaborate , how you come to this conclussion?

kgwithnob

What!!!!! you want me to follow the head sheep among the heard ???
you advice returned.

Salaam Dear Sister,

Please remember, our discussion here is about SALAAT, how many times a day, how to perform it, when to perform it, and so on. When I said just follow the people in your mosque, I meant follow the way they perform the daily SALAATS, except that YOU do NOT mention or commemorate anyone in YOUR's but ALLAAH, swt. Other than that there is no difference between our DAILY SALAAT and their. Also, when you do ATHZAAN, do just the same, don't call anyone's name but ALLAAH, swt in YOUR athzaan. That is all.

Again!!!! a sheep turning head to greet another sheep?

Again!!! The ULTIMATE judge is ALLAAH, swt. I personally cannot allow myself to sit in judgment of others. GOD gives life, GOD guides, GOD causes death, GOD resurrects us all if He wills, and He is the ULTIMATE JUDGE between us, inshaaALLAAH. All we can do is to follow the principle of "VICE and VIRTUE" toward others and ask GOD that He guides us all to His straight path.

Now my question for you who to say salaam turning head if the sheep is praying on his own?

The servant of GOD (the "SHEEP" in your words) can still turns face to right and left, saying "Assalaamu alaykum wa rahhmatullaah" and finishes the sallaat. Now if it doesn't make sense to YOU, you can say "SUBHHAANALLAAH" instead. It is still "ZIKR" of ALLAAH, swt.

Respected brother,
I wrote to you in the post just above your this reply regarding 'dhakir' which you ignored, I read many of your post and do sense your passion for knowledge I see in your Reply 31 above a mixed up between Slaa and dhkir, this time allow me to give you reference from the Qur?aan 4103 And when you have completed the prayer, remember Allah standing, sitting, or on your sides .......
Bit of my understanding below

Requirement for Slaa you need ;

Before Slaa
a.) wadu / purification of bodily side
b.) Clear mind free from all sorts of intoxicant so that you know what you are saying.

a.) As you raise your hand to your head to start saying ALLAAHu Akbar you disconnect from world around and your face, nafs/mind focused on qibla
b.) your outward/ bodily actions signify greater depth regarding signs and number of raka dealing with calculations etc, which I am praying to learn that soon insha?ALLAAH

dhkir/ ALLAAH's REMEMBRANCE and His COMMEMORATION

a) No requirement for wadu and as you are in the middle of mixing up with world around you, do zikr in that state ie remember your creator.
b) No formal action/positions required.

1st I could not find any other meaning for the word "ZIKR/DHIKR", but "remembrance", "mentioning", "speaking of", "talking about", and "commemoration".

2nd You are correct. One can do ZIKR or remember ALLAAH, swt, at all times without any preparation.

3rd Performing SALLAAT on the other hand, as you mentioned requires certain preparations, but ZIKR is still an integral part of every daily SALAAT. We need to do ZIKR of ALLAAH, swt, during our SALAAT, while standing, bowing down, prostrating, and sitting.

Peace,
Khalil

Aamer

Al Amiyr,
You say that it's 5 times prayer during normal circumstances. And 3 times (combining 2/3 & 4/5) during travel or times of danger. Then how do you explain this Hadith which is what your religion considers "Sahih"?

Muslim, Book 4, Number 1515?Ibn 'Abbas reported The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) observed the noon and afternoon prayers together, and the sunset and Isha' prayers together without being in a state of fear or in a state of journey.?

Could it be that your "Sahih" books lack clarity, contain contradictions and therefore can't be 100% "Sahih"?

farida

Salaam Dear Sister,

Please remember, our discussion here is about SALAAT, how many times a day, how to perform it, when to perform it, and so on. When I said just follow the people in your mosque, I meant follow the way they perform the daily SALAATS, except that YOU do NOT mention or commemorate anyone in YOUR's but ALLAAH, swt. Other than that there is no difference between our DAILY SALAAT and their. Also, when you do ATHZAAN, do just the same, don't call anyone's name but ALLAAH, swt in YOUR athzaan. That is all.

Again!!! The ULTIMATE judge is ALLAAH, swt. I personally cannot allow myself to sit in judgment of others. GOD gives life, GOD guides, GOD causes death, GOD resurrects us all if He wills, and He is the ULTIMATE JUDGE between us, inshaaALLAAH. All we can do is to follow the principle of "VICE and VIRTUE" toward others and ask GOD that He guides us all to His straight path.

The servant of GOD (the "SHEEP" in your words) can still turns face to right and left, saying "Assalaamu alaykum wa rahhmatullaah" and finishes the sallaat. Now if it doesn't make sense to YOU, you can say "SUBHHAANALLAAH" instead. It is still "ZIKR" of ALLAAH, swt.

Peace,
Khalil

salaam brother

Thank you for your kind words, I've been so busy, copying and pasting my first lesson with al-amiyr today on Jumma ) that I did not get around to replying to you until now. I hope you take time to read my first proper lesson with al-amiyr which I intend to post tomorrow insha'ALLAAH.
Firstly I used the sheep's example for two reasons; one that sheep follow the heard, and secondly sheep set a good example in how it submits to be slaughtered, when the name of ALLAAH is pronounced.
Secondly I say salaam when ending my prayer and nowadays I understand the reason behind it, I also read in the Qur'aan to finish my prayers with greetings, but you have given me no reasons why you say salaam when there is no one around but the person doing prayer?
Finally I am not sure if you saw my thread, but many are avoiding to discuss this subject understand reason behind
When greeting each other muslims say
as_salaamu "alaykum warahmatullaahi wabarakaatuhu
Return
wa "alaykum-us-salaam wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuhu

muslims also send peace and rahmah in post salah salutation, "as_salaamu "alaykum/ warahmatullaahi wabarakaatuhu"

But what does salaam, rahma or rahmatul-lil "alaamiyn imply/mean?

secondly what does one understand from
allahumma salli ala Muhammad wallah ali Muhammad
cama salaita ala Ibrahim wallah ali Ibrahim
wa barik ala Muhammad wallah ali ala Muhammad
cama barakta ala Ibrahim wallah ali Ibrahim
fil alamina inntaka hamidon Majid

What is the meaning of duruwd ?
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605676.msg334385#msg334385

salaam +

farida

salaam + everyone

I am writing to retract my previous understanding of Salaa, as just the prayers, I have now learned more what Salaa means ;D. There is more to Salaa then prayers; the clue is in the letter Saad
May ALLAAH make us the Saalihiyn, who makes Salaa, who go to the SiraaT ....'fiy sabiylillaah'

salaam

al-amiyr

salaam + everyone

I am writing to retract my previous understanding of Salaa, as just the prayers, I have now learned more what Salaa means ;D. There is more to Salaa then prayers; the clue is in the letter Saad
May ALLAAH make us the Saalihiyn, who makes Salaa, who go to the SiraaT ....'fiy sabiylillaah'

salaam

salaam+ sister farida

I am amazed how much you have progressed on your own since your initial lessons of the Book(al-kitaab) about five months ago. Very few understand what you understand above. This is the meaning of, "seeing they see they will not see and hearing they hear they will not hear, neither will they understand."
May ALLAAH guide all those who want to understand His aayaat ( the multi dimensional space time configurations known as the letters or alphabet of the recitation/reading (al-qur'aan) so that they may behold the wonders contained in it. inshaa ALLAAH

farida

salaam+ sister farida

I am amazed how much you have progressed on your own since your initial lessons of the Book(al-kitaab) about five months ago. Very few understand what you understand above. This is the meaning of, "seeing they see they will not see and hearing they hear they will not hear, neither will they understand."
May ALLAAH guide all those who want to understand His aayaat ( the multi dimensional space time configurations known as the letters or alphabet of the recitation/reading (al-qur'aan) so that they may behold the wonders contained in it. inshaa ALLAAH

salaam++ my respected Imam

You are too busy to check the two PMs I sent you in your forum, one was what I discovered this morning and the second was my excitement about finally understanding Salaah, yay

It happened when two JW missionaries came knocking on our door, and I invited them in, as I have great respect for them. They go out seeking to inform about Jehovah/Jahve, and people treat them so badly. We had a good chat, and they were amazed how similar our beliefs are. They kept saying the people will speak an alien language; at the same time insisting we read the Bible in English. I tried to explain to them that that is precisely the problem, but you know how difficult it is to get your point through to JW.
As we were talking this lady made a comparison of the straight and narrow path and the crooked path with her hand, the way of the righteous. This reminded me of the diagramme you made, in one of your last lessons here, and there it was; my answer that I have been struggling to understand for all this time! I finally cracked the code!!

Next step was simple; just refer to our lesson with you, and copy and paste them here -[

As hadith say if you take one step towards ALLAAH He takes ten steps towards you, and there is similar passage in the Qur'an too, but I can remember the verse at the moment.

May ALLAAH guide us all further to the straight road inshaa ALLAAH

salaam

GODsubmitter

Salam, Will you please elaborate , how you come to this conclussion?

Yes, please explain. Thank you

I sent @al-amiyr A PM some six months or more, asking the explanation of the Salat from his knowledge and claims of knowing the Secret Book.
I never received an answer...