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Non performers of As-Salaat are not true believers

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    ansmeh1998
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    Salaam,

    As far as I understand, those who insist for practicing a ritual in the name of salaat are virtually undermining the glorious term and their adherence to salat is nothing more than whistling and clapping as has been indicated in the verse 835.

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      Mazhar
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      Salaam,

      As far as I understand, those who insist for practicing a ritual in the name of salaat are virtually undermining the glorious term and their adherence to salat is nothing more than whistling and clapping as has been indicated in the verse 835.

      Please read the article; it is not ritual. And also read 835 as to who they were. And then read in the end the verdict of Allah the Exalted that only the Munafiqeen Imposter believers are reluctant to perform it. A non performer under whatever pretext and excuse is declared not to be a true believer. Choice is one's own. Also try to peep into the Hell-Prison so that we can avoid to be their companions.

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        If your salat does not give real results, and real changes in your emotions in every salat, it is not salat.
        ...
        And those who practice the real salat will know because it strengthens them from the inside, it brings cool water to the hot and dry parts of their heads - both figuratively and literally.

        bravo

        Salat, for sure, is not synonymous to Namaz.

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          ansmeh1998
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          Please read the article; it is not ritual. And also read 835 as to who they were. And then read in the end the verdict of Allah the Exalted that only the Munafiqeen Imposter believers are reluctant to perform it. A non performer under whatever pretext and excuse is declared not to be a true believer. Choice is one's own. Also try to peep into the Hell-Prison so that we can avoid to be their companions.

          May I request your good self to express the meaning of the term 'salat' as per your understanding in the light of Quran?

          Salaam!

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            Mazhar
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            May I request your good self to express the meaning of the term 'salat' as per your understanding in the light of Quran?

            Salaam!

            Salamun alaika

            Be always mindful for performing As-Salaat; and just peep in the Hell-Prison to listen its dwellers.

            http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/00024.%20Salat%20Suad%20Lam%20Waw/25.gif The time bound Protocol of Servitude and Allegiance is the fundamental protocol for non-verbal demonstration of the truthfulness of one's claim of having accepted and become a believer. This is manifestation of belief and key to success and fruitfulness

            Be always mindful for performing As-Salaat

            The prohibition not to perform As-sa'laat is when a man is not in the state of self-awareness lacking conscious understanding of his verbal expressions-language. It is thus abundantly evident that is NOT a ritual. According to dictionary ritual is defined as an established and prescribed pattern of observance, performance of formal acts the observance of actions or procedures in a set, ordered, and ceremonial way; system of rites the system of set procedures and actions of a group. But a perception of monotony and routine has also become associated to it when this is referred for a religious activity. Ritual is usually the concern and domain of Non-Declarative Memory which can be performed without being consciously aware of happenings.

            Preparatory protocols for performance

            The presence of all sorts of moral ills in Muslim societies is reflective that either the majority does not perform the Time Bound Protocol of Servitude and Allegiance; or we perform by giving it a status of "ritual" that is performed thoughtlessly and habitually. Allah the Exalted is on the lips of every Muslim; but His Parlance-Discourse conveyed verbatim by exalted Messenger Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam are obscured by artfully fabricated conjectural widespread stories.

            It is Gesture-speech, highest communicative dynamism Sublime submission of servitude and allegiance

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              ansmeh1998
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              Salaam,

              What is your conclusion about the term 'As-Salaat'. Is it a ritual of standing, bowing and prostration in the cyclic manner as is the practice world over or it is a term attributed to the system of Governance taught by Allah(swt) in Quran. Kindly sum up facts to be understood by a lay man instead of playing with the English words. I hope you understand what I mean??

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                peace,

                And enjoin prayer on your followers, and steadily adhere to it; We do not ask you for subsistence; We do give you subsistence, and the (good) end is for guarding (against evil).

                So now you can see quite clearly

                salat is NOT a subsistence towards the God
                salat is a subsistence towards the believer, it FEEDS the believer

                Interesting observation. However, rather than saying it is clear, there is certainly an implication.

                All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                  Mazhar
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                  Salaam,

                  What is your conclusion about the term 'As-Salaat'. Is it a ritual of standing, bowing and prostration in the cyclic manner as is the practice world over or it is a term attributed to the system of Governance taught by Allah(swt) in Quran. Kindly sum up facts to be understood by a lay man instead of playing with the English words. I hope you understand what I mean??

                  Salam,

                  Take a little botheration of reading the Ayahs of Qur'aan on the subject to get the point. And just see the difference between English word "ritual" and "protocol". As-Salaat is not the system of governance; it is merely demonstration of one's thought of servitude and allegiance and his claim of belief of considering Allah the Exalted as his Sustainer Lord.

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                    ansmeh1998
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                    Salaam brother Mazhar,

                    it is merely demonstration of one's thought of servitude and allegiance and his claim of belief of considering Allah the Exalted as his Sustainer Lord.

                    As suggested by your good self, I have studied verses related with Salat several times. I am yet to get the clear understanding of it. But I do not find the understanding of Salaat you are pushing through as apt as is intended in Al-Quran. Incidentally, you are presenting the same ritual form of salat in a new spectre by using the English words suited your design.

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                      Mazhar
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                      Salaam brother Mazhar,
                      As suggested by your good self, I have studied verses related with Salat several times. I am yet to get the clear understanding of it. But I do not find the understanding of Salaat you are pushing through as apt as is intended in Al-Quran. Incidentally, you are presenting the same ritual form of salat in a new spectre by using the English words suited your design.

                      If you have studied several times; please write under them what you got from those--only about words and sentences of Ayah. Those are mentioned in the Article on every aspect of As-Salat. Everything comprising physical gestures does not necessarily mean ritual. The word ritual seems got stuck up in thoughts.

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                        Fare thee well brothers and sisters,

                        Salat means as the word implies, a connection/communication/conversation by contacting the Lord as a focused session. This is at least what I have understood from reading Quran and my interpretation and independent tinkering.

                        The seemingly extra-religious practices such as repeating the first chapter of Quran several times may however not belong to this 'salat' and be inventions belonging to fairytale authors. If we think about it from a logical viewpoint (God is certainly a being of logic) it seems illogical to believe God would appreciate parroting of the same words several times in a row.

                        The prostration is a gesture belonging to how people paid homage to respected individuals 1000 years ago and beyond. It may not be a necessity when we perform salat, but is certainly a valid act should people wish to express themselves this way. It did not necessarily originate in religion, but was practiced in all sorts of ways.

                        I have thought about the so-called 'rakah system' and it is just as weird as the hadith which talk about how many stones Muhammad use to wipe himself after answering the call of nature. I think frankly that it is a human invention just like the hadith about the sanitary procedures.

                        That does not say salat cannot be something we use uniformly as to make it easily practiced but making it different number of prostrations per salah is causing it to make God's religion complicated. People who have chosen to simply prostrate in sets of two twice may have made it sufficiently convenient and makes it more focused on God than like a meaningless ritual.

                        Personally I do not live as I teach as I have up until now still practiced the traditional rakah system out of fear lest I do wrong, but I begin to realize I may do the same level of error by doing it the way I do now.

                        Ironically I have convinced myself all the things I talk about yet I cling on to my old ways as if I do not believe in what I utter. Yet I do but stubbornly retain my current practices. I need to let go of my old perception of God's religion and trust I know better. There are no prescribed three stones to wipe myself when I go to bathroom and the same there are no specific three rakah at a prayer traditionally called maghrib.

                        Even hadith indicate that asr and maghrib were prayers which Muhammad himself voluntarily observed and later became "Sunnah".

                        Although brother Wakas disagree I am certain that there is at least one prayer during daylight. I believe 2238 to talk about that. It is not overly important as a righteous Believer will observe regular prayers more than God prescribed as minimum anyways. I suspect that, for example, Muhammad did asr and maghrib prayers as his own preference of regular prayers.

                        God bless you

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                          Mazhar
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                          Chattering takes people neither here nor there.

                          Ayahs of Qur'aan are explicitely explicative on all aspects of As-Salaat. Ayahs about each aspect are included in the Article. They need to be either accepted or refuted instead of chattering.

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                            262 Surely those who believe; and those who are Jewish, and the Nazarenes, and the Sabians, whoever of them believes in God and the Last Day and does good works; they will have their recompense with their Lord, and there is no fear upon them, nor will they grieve.

                            Salat is extremely important, no doubt, but I believe its purpose is remembrance of Allah which leads one to the path of good works in a most righteous manner. However, if we take 262, is there any inclusion of Salat or even Zakat for ultimate salvation? Ultimately, it seems to come down to belief in one God, the Last Day, and good works. Salat, in my eyes, is not a good "deed," in that it is not directly benefiting others; it is crucial for the self. However, indirectly, it leads to benefit to others.

                            I don't believe in a categorical approach to believers, but a dimensional one the lack of Salat doesn't render an individual to be a nonbeliever, but on a dimensional scale, perhaps they will place on a lesser degree than a believer who prays Salat.

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                              Man_of_Faith
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                              Salaam,

                              It was not pointless "chatter" as I suggested the meaning of 'salat' and certain traditional details which seemingly does not exist other than tradition. Can you verify rakah system or these details using Quran? Or even the common belief in five daily compulsory prayers.

                              I do not refute nor approve of any claims but merely raise more points to discuss. As far as I know you can only verify max three prayers and barely even that according to Wakas.

                              God bless you

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                                Mazhar
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                                As far as I know you can only verify max three prayers and barely even that according to Wakas.

                                The fact about Ass-sa'laat It has remained prescribed and mandatory for the true believers, characteristically time-bound; at scheduled timings-timetabled.

                                Thereby timings are to be indicated to know as to how many times it is performed. Please refute the five timings mentioned in the Qur'aan to stand by the erroneous perceptions of two or three.

                                It is a time bound protocol. Number and the appointed timings for its performance during a day

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                                  262 Surely those who believe; and those who are Jewish, and the Nazarenes, and the Sabians, whoever of them believes in God and the Last Day and does good works; they will have their recompense with their Lord, and there is no fear upon them, nor will they grieve.

                                  Salat is extremely important, no doubt, but I believe its purpose is remembrance of Allah which leads one to the path of good works in a most righteous manner. However, if we take 262, is there any inclusion of Salat or even Zakat for ultimate salvation? Ultimately, it seems to come down to belief in one God, the Last Day, and good works. Salat, in my eyes, is not a good "deed," in that it is not directly benefiting others; it is crucial for the self. However, indirectly, it leads to benefit to others.

                                  I don't believe in a categorical approach to believers, but a dimensional one the lack of Salat doesn't render an individual to be a nonbeliever, but on a dimensional scale, perhaps they will place on a lesser degree than a believer who prays Salat.

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                                  Thereafter, the later generations who succeeded them in timeline discarded the As-sa'laat Time Bound Protocol of Servitude and allegiance. And they pursued selfish desires, lusts and conjectural fascinations.

                                  Thereby, soon they will confront devastating result.

                                  And they the People of the Book were commanded not but that they should be subservient and allegiant subjects for Allah the Exalted by remaining exclusively and continuously loyal to the Operative Code of life prescribed by Him the Exalted.

                                  And that they should steadfastly maintain the Institution of As-sa'laat; and should pay the Az-zakat economic up lifter of society.

                                  Remain mindful; this is the straightly settled permanent Constitution-Perpetuated Code-Operative System of Life.

                                  On revelation of Grand Qur'aan they are reminded to recall their Covenant and fulfill the Promise to accept this Revelation and the elevated Messenger; and conduct their selves in the following manner which was also an Article of the Covenant

                                  Moreover, you people remain steadfast in maintaining Institution of As-sa'laat-Time Bound Protocol of Servitude and allegiance;

                                  And remain willingly determined to pay the Az-zakat economic up-lifter of society;

                                  And you people kneel together in company of those who bow.

                                  Time Bound Protocol of Servitude and Allegiance The Key of the door of success

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                                    ansmeh1998
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                                    The most vexed term / issue I have confronted with in Al-Quran is the Salat. I find the entire world order is just guessing without a conclusive understanding to be followed securely and so am I. Below are the verses indicating as to whom the Salat is enjoined on.

                                    95, 11 Salat is enjoined on Non-believers as a pre-condition to remain with safety in the State.

                                    1431 Salat is enjoined on Believers.

                                    971 Salat is enjoined on Momins.

                                    1319-22 Salat is enjoined on Ulul-Albab.

                                    2241 Salat is enjoined on the one vested with the authority to govern the state.

                                    2278 Salat is enjoined on Muslims.

                                    2945 Salat is enjoined on the Prophet.

                                    2441 Salat is enjoined on all the creatures in the heavens and the earth.

                                    3031 Non adherence of Salat renders you among the Mushrikeen.

                                    3529 Adherence to Salat is a no loss business/venture.

                                    The above verses of Quran tempt me to have an understanding of Salat as Duty(ies) / obligation(s) to be carried out dutifully within the framework of the divine law in our day to day life while being loyal to the established system of Governance in the State. Corrections are invited.

                                    Salam!

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                                      95, 11 Salat is enjoined on Non-believers as a pre-condition to remain with safety in the State.

                                      This perception is by cutting away a subordinate clause from the main sentence. It is not enjoined upon Non-believers. First is if they revert and become believer; then following is this condition to become the brother of Muslim fraternity.

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                                        Mazhar
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                                        ansmeh1998

                                        Salam,

                                        Did you not peep into Hell-Prison? Therein people are also saying something about Salaat.

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                                          ansmeh1998
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                                          This perception is by cutting away a subordinate clause from the main sentence. It is not enjoined upon Non-believers. First is if they revert and become believer; then following is this condition to become the brother of Muslim fraternity.

                                          Here is the verse 95

                                          I do not find a word in this ayat which may be construed as ?if they revert and become believer?. Given the information given in the previous ayat and in this ayat the term ?fa-in taboo? may at best be understood that ?if one refrains from mischief?. Have a re-look and share your considered views.

                                          Salaam!

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