al salat al wusta - a common mistake
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Peace scrappy-doo,
Of course it can be in any other way throughout the day or even singing songs of praise or whatever.
God bless you
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peace scrappy, all,
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Peace all.
What is the most important salat? If we have the middle or central salat, I would understand it to be salat al 3sha. Only because of the verse;
1779 And keep vigil with it during parts of the night, as an extra prayer. Perhaps your Lord will raise you to a laudable position.The most important salat described as an extra, and perhaps the Lord will raise you for it? I recommend
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peace scrappy, all,
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The most important salat described as an extra, and perhaps the Lord will raise you for it? I recommend
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=7727.0Hahaha! I see your point, it doesn't makes sense at all. So if it's the most balanced and it seems that is the most likely understanding, balanced how?
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Wusta also means "best" or "superior" - as there is no specified prayer time for this salat, while there is for salat ul fajr and salat ul isa, I have personally concluded that the reference to salat ul wusta is a reference to both fajr and isa salats together, and not a third prayer time. The Quran also refers to salat ul dhikr, and again, provides no specified time for it. As no one has ever referred to salat ul dhikr as a separate prayer and have always seen it as a reference to all of the salats together (in this case two), so too is salat ul wusta a reference to all of the salats together.
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See your previous post
The phrase is adjectival but the descriptive word is not adjective.
They have incorrectly tagged it as adjective. It is NOT adjective. What is it, please consult any dictionary
It is elative Comparative and superlative Definite; Singular; feminine; genitive.
can be used both as noun and for adjectival description-modifier of a noun.
AlFajre Verbal Noun/Noun of action Definite; masculine; singular; genitive
/ --It is used in Possessive Phrase and does not signify the "name" of Salat. Salat is feminine while Alfajre is masculine; feminines are not named by masculine gender.
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Peace Mazhar
I was of the same view as Wakas, on the difference between the terms salat al fajr & isha and al salat al wusta, on the face of it. Can you please explain the reason for not treating these terms as different ?
Also what is your opinion on the al salawati in the beginning of the sentence, the only time this form is used in the Quran ?
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One theory for the distinction between mentioning salats (plural) and then salat ul wusta is that, while salat ul fajr and salat ul isha (mentioned in 2458, and named in accordance with their timings) are mentioned with their times, one of them is superior to the other. This theory is derived from 1778 - "Observe Prayer at the declining and paling of the sun on to the darkness of the night, and recite the Quran at morning (fajr).? Here only salat ul isha is technically mentioned, and thus singled out. At fajr, only reciting the Quran is mentioned. Since in 11;114 it states "And establish Prayer at the edges of the day and in proximity to the night (zulfun layl)?, only 2 prayer times, and the second prayer time aligns with the prayer time mentioned in 1778, salat ul isha must be the superior salat.
While I am not a proponent of the historical, some commentators have stated that the Muslim morning prayer was tolerated by the Meccan pagans, but the evening prayer took place at the same time as certain pagan prayer ceremonies, and was not so tolerated, making the evening prayer the more difficult of the two to perform, thereby perhaps indicating its greater importance. Regardless of whether that is true, for some reason, 1778 only mentions one prayer time, which aligns with the second prayer time mentioned in 11114, and has been singled out. The only explanation for this singling out that I know of is to take the view that "wusta" is indicating the superiority of one salat over the other, for whatever reason.
While I have noted that the Quran required the Messenger to pray/prostrate during the night, it appears to only require this of him (as with other messengers before him) but not of non-messengers. In this vein, worth pondering are the following
-calling upon the Lord morning (ghadat0 and evening (isha) in 652 and 1828 (I note that the word fajr is not used for morning, but I note 2 specific times mentioned).
-remembrance of Allah morning (ghuduw) and evening (asal) ( I note fajr and isha are not used, but again, I note 2 specific times).Curious?
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Peace all
But what they fail to notice is that "salat al wusta" does not exist in Quran, it is actually "al salat al wusta" (see here)
Great point.I never realized it before if al-salawat and al wusta in 2238 is written separately each other because there is no conjunctive between them.This means the word al-salawat and al wusta in 2238 is not related each other.
This also supported well by verse 11114, 1315, 1718
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1315
"early morning ( dawn) and late afternoon ( dusk)" -
17.18 Decline the sun until darkness of layl (the meaning of night according to Quran is in 914) and fajr (dawn)
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11114
"(two) end of the day and appoarch/nearness of layl"
So this means our salat only two times per day and in dawn and dusk, but I want ask questions
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If wusta in 2238 didn't mean middle salat, So what is wusta in 2238??
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According to corpusquran the word tarafayi in 11114 is "nominative masculine dual noun" and (Isim marfu/ a noun which face isim rafa'i)
/tarafayi means end, edge, terminal, party, side.This word translated as "two end" in corpusquran.
The problem is this word actually is not included in isim marfu because the rule of isim rafa'i is the last word end with dhammah.
- How is dual noun in tarafayi??
- From where the word "two" came from??
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peace all,
red,
It could be argued 1778 implies the quran-al-fajr is "superior" as it is "witnessed". To me, salat-al-fajr is being substituted for quran-al-fajr here, i.e. they are the same thing. In any case, I dont think there is much evidence for "wusta" meaning "superior".earthdom,
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Peace Mazhar
I was of the same view as Wakas, on the difference between the terms salat al fajr & isha and al salat al wusta, on the face of it. Can you please explain the reason for not treating these terms as different ?
Also what is your opinion on the al salawati in the beginning of the sentence, the only time this form is used in the Quran ?
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/2.238p.gif
You people remain vigilant regards the plural number of As-sa'laat Time Bound Protocol of Servitude and allegiance; and be vigilant for the As-sa'laat which is relatively central to other four Formal Timings.
And you people stand for Allah the Exalted like devoted humble servants.
This sentence is what we call in English grammar as "Compound sentence" by structure. A compound sentence is one which has two independent clauses joined together by a conjunction. In Arabic it is easy to determine the clauses by looking at the case endings.
Prepositional Phrase relates to the Verb. is the definite PLURAL noun. Plural Noun in Arabic quantitatively denotes three and more. It does not denote two. By appositive conjunction same command is given for yet another ; for which reason this definite noun denoting only One Formal demonstrative servitude and allegiance is in genitive case. It is First Noun of Adjectival Phrase. Its adjectival description is given by which is a Comparative Noun; Definite; Singular; feminine; genitive, exactly matching on all counts with the described one. Its Root is " ". For convenience, an entry from Lane's Lexicon is reproduced hereunder
properly, the part of which several lateral, or outer, portions are equal; as, for instance, the middle finger but also meaning the part which is surrounded, or enclosed, on its several sides, although unequally (Msb) or the part that is between the two sides or extremities of a thing; (M, IB, Mgh, K as, for instance, the centre of a circle]
salat al fajr It is a possessive phrase. The possessive phrase's peculiarity is that its first noun never has Tanween nor has definite article prefixed to it. It draws its definiteness from the second noun. Thereby, semantically it is definite noun like . It means The Salat of the Fajar.
Further you may like to see here
It is a time bound protocol. Number and the appointed timings for its performance during a day
Please carefully watch that Lane has intelligently put some words in parentheses because middle in English also denotes something in between two which is certainly not the perception of Wusta in Arabic.
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Peace all
earthdom,
reply #10 may help answer some of your Qs.Wakas, if I found the answer in that thread, I even don't need to ask this questions.But just forget it, I will do my own research first.
properly, the part of which several lateral, or outer, portions are equal; as, for instance, the middle finger but also meaning the part which is surrounded, or enclosed, on its several sides, although unequally (Msb) or the part that is between the two sides or extremities of a thing; (M, IB, Mgh, K as, for instance, the centre of a circle]
Mazhar, yes wustha means middle and after I re-opened Lane Lexicon, this word is used in many situations and not just limited on "middle of day".
So al salatulwusta literally means "Salat of the middle", because I don't know excatly what is wustha in 2238 because it has no following explanation in that verse.
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Mazhar, yes wustha means middle and after I re-opened Lane Lexicon, this word is used in many situations and not just limited on "middle of day".
So al salatulwusta literally means "Salat of the middle", because I don't know excatly what is wustha in 2238 because it has no following explanation in that verse.
The comparative noun is self explanatory, it does not need furether elucidation. It is adjectival description of the head noun As-Salaat-definite noun. It thus denotes That particular Salaat which has two As-Salaat on its both sides. Two As-Salat of new lunar day that begins with Sunset and two As-Salat of the Day on its both sides.
