What is Islam?
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Salam DrGm,
Even if it is an order to prostrate to any other than Allah.
peace,
Allah's words are taken as orders only by believers. Allah orders to obey Him and the message of His prophets/messengers. again the message is Allah's words. then prostrating is only to Allah.
peace
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Salam DrGm,
as what you've said, Allah is "0", we are "1" after being created, and there are many ones.
On my part, Allah is "1", we are "0" because we cannot prove our own existence or matter..
much or less equal to our dreams ..
peace,
i did not mean there is many Allah or Allah is nothing.
i mean Allah creates from "0". '0' meant by me as beyond knowledge.
proving existence to other human is not there/ necessary, proving as models in the straight-path of Allah is there/necessary.
peace.
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peace,
Allah's words are taken as orders only by believers. Allah orders to obey Him and the message of His prophets/messengers. again the message is Allah's words. then prostrating is only to Allah.
peace
And when We said to the angels
"Prostrate before Adam" <-- Prostrate to Adam or his function/knowledge of just & balance?
so they prostrated His Objective. Functional definition? Obviously Adam is not god.
except for Iblees <-- Iblees claim he has better knowledge?
He refused
and was arrogant
and became of the disbelieversSalam DrGm,
When Allah ordered the angels to prostrate to Adam
Allah does not mean to admire his physical attributes
but the knowledge he acquired from Allah, the "Knowledge of the Unseen"
I believe it is the knowledge of "Just and Balance"
The Sunnatullah and Allah's names
It is self evident in the universe and all living creatures, including the Qur'an
Thus "Just and Balance" has no religion, it is our way of life..
It is "Islam"
It is also the main element of every religion, and to a certain extent
- Buddha is promoting just and balance (water)
- Christian is promoting just and balance (air)
- Hindu is promoting just and balance (fire)
- Sunni religion is promoting just and balance (fire)
- Shia religion is promoting just and balance (fire)
- Judaism is promoting just and balance (earth)
- Atheism is promoting just and balance (water)
- Everyone and every religion is promoting just and balance
Nonetheless, what went wrong?
Why these religions disregarding the element of "just and balance" in other religion?
It is because of "religion" .. the "God Alone" (Allah Alone) concept ... this is Religion.
Striving what is "just and balance" to their personal religion, and not as a whole..
Every religion and sects are striving for what is right and wrong on each separate element
This what we should be doing.
http//s16.postimg.org/805wdizsj/Islam.png
However, this is what we are doing today.
Standing up on "what is right or wrong on each separate elements".
Fire Based Religion Hinduism, Sunni Islam, Shia Islam, Khawarij Islam etc.
Air Based Religion Christianity, Da'wah Islam, Political Islam etc.
Water Based Religion Buddhism, Atheism, Sufi Islam, Tasawwuf, Educational Islam etc.
Earth Based Religion Judaism, Quranism Islam, Wahabi Islam etc.
Therefore, can we say any of the above religions is "Din of Islam"?
Nope, it is a religion.
And whoever seeks a "dnan" (ا other than Islam
it will NEVER be accepted of him
and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers
(385)Based on the above, all of them are right.. but only to certain extent.
Peace.
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Salaam,
What someone meant was that by using an allegory with computer language is that God and His domain is set in an .ini file to Visible = 0, while the physical world as we see it is Visible = 1, as we perceive it if this would be a game world.
It was probably a hypothetical statement and it did not regard whether what we see is just from our imagination or not. No matter what, we see what we see and it is visible. God and His angels/controllers are not normally visible however and thus they would have no visible configuration in this game plot.
God bless you
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peace,
i have no arguments. you said creation is "0". for me it is from "0". meaning -which we do not know is with Allah. unless HE reveals /creates we will not know it. that which is known is knowledge. purpose of this knowledge is to use /benefit good and get away/ avoid from bad.
when i see a object, i will say there is "1", now i need knowledge to use it. this knowledge has to be taught from Allah.
when i not see then i will say there is nothing "0". to me from nothing He creates and this creation is 1.
said this, i really don't know what/why you want me to prove my existence. what way that will help you. is that anyway going to improve my understanding of what you say. in that case answer from your perspective, i will try to understand.
i really have no arguments. arguments will not yield. unless Allah teach us.
peace.
peace,
i did not mean there is many Allah or Allah is nothing.
i mean Allah creates from "0". '0' meant by me as beyond knowledge.
proving existence to other human is not there/ necessary, proving as models in the straight-path of Allah is there/necessary.
peace.
Salam DrGm,
The argument I'm referring to is from the point of "critical thinking", ie. it is your conclusion, supported by logical reason and evidence.
Secondly, I believe you are making a conclusion of "Allah = 0" and "Creation = 1" from the perspective of "our knowledge" to the existence of Allah. When we were born, we have no knowledge of Allah's existence. Therefore, Allah is "0" in ourselves, and we are "1". When we grow up, we start to realize Allah's existence, and thus Allah is "1" and we are becoming "0". Thus, you are making a conclusion from the perspective of "our knowledge", not on reality.
On the other hand, I'm making a conclusion based on reality. The whole truth, and not on individual's knowledge. What we (individual) may see, or may not see does not represent the whole truth, it is not the reality.
Peace.
Some example or analogy
Sun = 1
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Salam DrGm,
I believe it is the knowledge of "Just and Balance"
The Sunnatullah and Allah's names
It is self evident in the universe and all living creatures, including the Qur'an
Thus "Just and Balance" has no religion, it is our way of life..
It is "Islam"
It is also the main element of every religion, and to a certain extent
- Buddha is promoting just and balance
- Christian is promoting just and balance
- Hindu is promoting just and balance
- Sunni religion is promoting just and balance
- Shia religion is promoting just and balance
- Everyone and every religion is promoting just and balance
Nonetheless, what went wrong?
It is because of "religion" .. the "God Alone" (Allah Alone) concept ... this is Religion.
Every religion and sects are striving for what is right and wrong on each separate element
Peace.
peace,
i take your just and balance as Allah's guidance. His Guidance is, for whoever takes it as guidance. His guidance is, not for groups; only for individual. anyone consider as they are part of a group, then their receiver from Allah's Guidance will stop receiving gradually.
so Allah sets example right from Adam, Nuh, Aad, Ibrahim,... all are individuals.
so when man created religion/group or identifies him/her with groups, she/he is bound to go wrong gradually. this gradual is Allah's Grace, for He gives ample time for us to return to Him as individuals.
peace.
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peace,
i take your just and balance as Allah's guidance. His Guidance is, for whoever takes it as guidance. His guidance is, not for groups; only for individual. anyone consider as they are part of a group, then their receiver from Allah's Guidance will stop receiving gradually.
so Allah sets example right from Adam, Nuh, Aad, Ibrahim,... all are individuals.
so when man created religion/group or identifies him/her with groups, she/he is bound to go wrong gradually. this gradual is Allah's Grace, for He gives ample time for us to return to Him as individuals.
peace.
Salam DrGm,
Guidance, yes.. individually.
The objective of Khalif, just and balance ... how we live (Din)?
No... but as a group.
So as the earth, as a group and constitutes the element of fire, soil/earth, air and water.
Therefore, we cannot stand up for what is "just and balance" for certain individuals or groups of people, prophets or scriptures etc.
It is religion, it is Government .. it is not Din of Islam.
Allah only accept Din of Islam, not government or religion of Islam.
Peace.
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peace Man of Faith, muslims, all
these few posts confirms me my view that maths and its numbers (0,1) are taught by bad jinns for the state of pride. maths will not make us individual. only make us groups/sects by comparing. also, maths is used to mislead from right to wrong making to believe wrong as right.
where as good doesn't need any numerical values. Good is Good.
Salam DrGm,
When we were born, we have no knowledge of Allah's existence.
i believe by birth we have wisdom from Allah. when we identify us with our mother, father, brother, sister, grandfather, grandmother, uncle, aunt, friend, etc. we start loosing our wisdom from Allah. what we search in later days as knowledge is the wisdom we lost got from birth/Adam.
peace
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peace Man of Faith, muslims, all
these few posts confirms me my view that maths and its numbers (0,1) are taught by bad jinns for the state of pride. maths will not make us individual. only make us groups/sects by comparing. also, maths is used to mislead from right to wrong making to believe wrong as right.
where as good doesn't need any numerical values. Good is Good.
Salam DrGm,
For religious people, maybe yes..
But I believe there is nothing wrong with numbers.. so as statues, and even Satan and Iblees.
It is all there for "just and balance"
To teach us what is just and balance (Sunnatullah)
To guide us to Allah
Allah The Just, Al-`Adl (ل
and to make us a Khalif.
For example;
Love whether it's good or bad?
Misguidance?
Sura Al-Hijr and Al-Qalam
Premise 1 Allah only misguides the Disbelievers.
So leave Me and him who rejects this announcement
We will overtake them by degrees
from whence they perceive not
And I do bear with them, surely My plan is firm
(<a href="http//quran.com/68/44-45">6844-45</a>Premise 2 Iblees only misguides the Disbelievers.
He said My Lord! because Thou hast made life evil to me
I will certainly make (evil) fair-seeming to them on earth
and I will certainly cause them all to deviate
EXCEPT Thy servants from among them, the devoted ones.
(<a href="http//quran.com/15/39-41">3941</a>Therefore Iblees_____________________________ ?
Therefore Islam is not about good or bad, right or wrong... (eg. story Khidr and Musa)
Islam is about a way of life that is just and balance for all living creatures.
Peace.
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What is "Sirat al-Mustaqim"?
It is the line between good and bad.. right and wrong... etc.
ie. Just and Balance, the path of a Khalif
And become dust dispersing
And you become three kindsThen the companions of the right <-- Good, right, etc., (followers)
what are the companions of the right?And the companions of the left <-- Bad, wrong, etc., (followers)
what are the companions of the left?And the forerunners, the forerunners <-- "Sirat al-Mustaqim," Khalif, Prophets, etc., (leaders).
Those are the ones brought near
In the Gardens of Pleasure
(<a href="http//quran.com/56/6-12">566-12</a>The path of those upon whom You have bestowed favor
not of those who have evoked anger
or of those who are astray
(<a href="http//quran.com/1/7">17</a>So it doesn't really matter if we are right (companions of the right) or wrong (companions of the left)
What matters most?
"Sirat al-Mustaqim" ..
"Just and Balance" for all living creatures .. the path of a Khalif
Din of Islam.
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sirat al mustaqim, as far as I can understand is the ascendant path back to Divinity. All destiny is back to the Divine source. The straighter path to God, the srtaighter ascendant path back to God. That is what God teaches in his revelations the straightr path back to Him.
Salaam
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Just and Balance, the path of a Khalif
"Just and Balance" for all living creatures .. the path of a Khalif
Din of Islam.
Peace muslims,
What is the duty of a Khalifa? And what is Khalifa?
"Just and Balance"?
Just is not balance; and balance is not just.
Will you define the two terms "Just" and "balance"?
And just and balance for " all living creatures" ... the path of khalif?
Please define this knotty jumble of jargon.
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Peace,
What is Islam?
A monotheistic religion characterized by the acceptance of the doctrine of submission to
God based on the fact that the Quran is the last scripture that supersedes all preceding
scriptures and Muhammad as the last prophet of God, adherents to Islam are named Muslims.1.Shahadah (belief or confession of faith)
2.Salat (worship in the form of prayer)
3.Sawm Ramadan (fasting during the month of Ramadan)
4.Zakat (alms or charitable giving)
5.Hajj (the pilgrimage to Mecca at least once in a lifetime if he/she is able to do.God bless
peace
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Peace muslims,
What is the duty of a Khalifa? And what is Khalifa?
"Just and Balance"?
Just is not balance; and balance is not just.
Will you define the two terms "Just" and "balance"?
And just and balance for " all living creatures" ... the path of khalif?
Please define this knotty jumble of jargon.
Salam drfazl,
Khalifa
The duty of a Khalifa is to manage the earth and primarily; as a negotiator, mediator and conciliator, bringing balance and justice to the whole society and avoiding corruption on earth.
Just and Balance (Sunnatullah)
I'm going to give its functional definition; ie. To apply the Qur'an and balance the "maslahat" (good) and "mudharat" (bad) to the society according to its awwaliyah (priority) and to the right people, at the right place and right time. The end result of all this is justice.
Other than that?
What is our first duty?
Duty to understand message of the Qur'an.
Message that will guide us to what is "balance" and "just".
Wherever there is an element of "balance", then there will be justice.
Don't stand up for the law, majority, right, wrong etc.. these are "ideas" .. illusions.
But stand up for what is just and balance... Sunnatullah. These are "reality".
Accordingly, I cannot guide you, no one can. (<a href="http//quran.com/40/33">4033</a>
The concept of "just and balance" are flexible.
Changing according to the people, time and situation etc.
Balance between the maslahat and mudharat, and its awwaliyah (eg. Khidr).
Thus, it is only Allah that can guide you.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, or if I have missed something.
Peace
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Peace,
What is Islam?
A monotheistic religion characterized by the acceptance of the doctrine of submission to
God based on the fact that the Quran is the last scripture that supersedes all preceding
scriptures and Muhammad as the last prophet of God, adherents to Islam are named Muslims.1.Shahadah (belief or confession of faith)
2.Salat (worship in the form of prayer)
3.Sawm Ramadan (fasting during the month of Ramadan)
4.Zakat (alms or charitable giving)
5.Hajj (the pilgrimage to Mecca at least once in a lifetime if he/she is able to do.God bless
peace
Salam hawk99,
I've read the hadith for the Pillars of Islam and believe it is a fabricated hadith.
Why? Because the answer is inconsistent with the Qur'an.
The true pillar of Islam is, "iqtiqad" to obey or disobey Allah...
Obedience or Disobedience.
This what differentiate between a Muslim and Non-Muslim.
Peace.
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Peace muslims,
Salam hawk99,
I've read the hadith for the Pillars of Islam and believe it is a fabricated hadith.
Why? Because the answer is inconsistent with the Qur'an.
The true pillar of Islam is, "iqtiqad" to obey or disobey Allah...
Obedience or Disobedience.
This what differentiate between a Muslim and Non-Muslim.
Peace.
Disagree handshake
God bless
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Peace muslims,
Disagree handshake
God bless
Salam hawk99,
Then I hope to hear your comment on this
And DO NOT eat of that on which Allah's name has not been mentioned
and that is most surely a transgression
and most surely the Shaitans suggest to their friends that they should contend with you
and if you obey them, you (Muhammad) shall most surely be polytheists. (6121)For a simple reason of eating of that on which Allah's name has not been mentioned
Even the Prophet would become associator, ie. not a Muslim
Despite the syahadah, salat, fasting, zakat and sadaqah, hajj, jihad etc.......
Prophet Muhammad will not be a Muslim if disobey the "DO NOT" prohibition (breach of contract).Now the question....
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Can we claim more privilege than the Prophet?
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Can you prove that we are allowed to ignore the "DO NOT" prohibition
and still entitle to call ourselves a Muslim?
Peace.
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Salam drfazl,
Khalifa
The duty of a Khalifa is to manage the earth and primarily; as a negotiator, mediator and conciliator, bringing balance and justice to the whole society and avoiding corruption on earth.
Salam muslims,
Let me be done with Khalifa first.
Allah had said He would place man His Khalifa on earth who shall know the truth of the heavens and the earth and everything in between by intuition from Him and has governing authority over them by His leave; and He had not mentioned who that man is; and who that one could be; and we do not know until Allah reveals if any man had attained that state yet. And it is not for us to choose even a leader in islam, leave alone khalifa.
The prophets and the messengers came with the Signs of Allah, from heavens down to earth; but then almost all of them were belied and denied by the rejectors and spoiled every efforts at conciliation, mediation and negotiation to the point that they drove even the Prophet Nuh to plead with Allah to destroy the world full of such sort of people. And this too is sunnatullah. This is justice, upholding the balance between the skies down to earth pleading and interceding with Allah.
The point is we would never know unless that time comes who Allah would reveal as His Khalifa on earth and when it happens we would know him too as we know our own kinsfolk.
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Salam muslims,
Let me be done with Khalifa first.
Allah had said He would place man His Khalifa on earth who shall know the truth of the heavens and the earth and everything in between by intuition from Him and has governing authority over them by His leave; and He had not mentioned who that man is; and who that one could be; and we do not know until Allah reveals if any man had attained that state yet. And it is not for us to choose even a leader in islam, leave alone khalifa.
The prophets and the messengers came with the Signs of Allah, from heavens down to earth; but then almost all of them were belied and denied by the rejectors and spoiled every efforts at conciliation, mediation and negotiation to the point that they drove even the Prophet Nuh to plead with Allah to destroy the world full of such sort of people. And this too is sunnatullah. This is justice, upholding the balance between the skies down to earth pleading and interceding with Allah.
The point is we would never know unless that time comes who Allah would reveal as His Khalifa on earth and when it happens we would know him too as we know our own kinsfolk.
Salam drfazl,
There is nothing in the definition or any of my post suggesting who is the Khalifa and we don't need heroes or Islamic government to practice Islam. Neither did I suggest for the formation of any entity, government or Khalifa institution etc. My discussion is focusing on identifying the Din of Islam, its objective and how we can improve "ourselves". We cannot change others, we can only change ourselves. Islam is not a religion, but Islam is a way of life (Din) ... Our way of life, not others.
Peace.
A Muslim must now learn how to become Negotiator, Mediator and Conciliator. There is no religion and it is not about to spread Islam, since Islam is not a religion. It is about to spread peace, harmony and unity in the society. It's about benefiting humanity, kindness to His creation and giving to relatives. This is how people from different backgrounds and traditions are able to accept Islam by our Prophet Muhammad pbuh. Unconditional acceptance (respect) of world religious practices and balancing what is just to every living creatures. This is "Din of Islam".
p/s and we do not need the Muslim identities or anything associating with "Islam" to spread peace, harmony and unity in the society etc.