What is Islam?

Bender

Would it be a blemish on Allah?

Salaamun alayka,

Yes.
Allah does NOT have a khalifa. Do you actually understand what you were saying or not?

Or do you think it would tarnish His image and undermine His Purity and Authority to get at such understanding?

No, you or my or anyone's saying will not effect by no means His Majesty.

For who the universe is? It is for man;

Do you have an ayaat from the Quran to support your claim?

Subhanahu, Allah is Most Pure! Allah does not need it for Himself even a spec of it.

Did I say He needs it for Himself?

Allah created it for man to think and ponder the skies and earth i.e. the entire universe so that they would by His leave shall obey and work by man's command. Do you deny any of these?

Yes I deny.
Can you please give me an ayaat from The Quran where it is stated that Allah created it for man. As far as I know Allah created everything on earth for us ( thus not the earth itself and not the heavens) and made everything for us available what is on earth and in the heavens.
btw. don't forget that there are besides man also other creatures who are residing this earth.

And can you give me an ayaat from The Quran where it is stated that they should obey and work by man's command. As far as I know they obey and work ONLY by Allah's command.

On the Last Day, heavens and the earth - the entire universe would be removed and changed for one last time that they would last forever.
If you want to save you from the punishment of fire, 3191 ponder over them. If you do not do this, on the Lasting Day, when you will be rewarded and recompensed, - would last as long as the heavens and the earth would last. And it would last forever.

I do not understand what you are trying to say. Do you mean if I not ponder on them then the punishment of fire is my reward?

I do not see the need for your such expression "Subhanahu", here.

For me the saying "Allah has HIS khalifa on earth" is equal to the saying "Allah has a walad", subhanaHu.

salaam,
Bender

Bender

Salam Bender,

As I said, the "asma ul husna" and "you can dispute this attribute and bring your perspective into discussion."

I believe this is your argument

Premise 1 Sura 6115 stated that "the word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice"
Premise 2 You said "6115 talks about Allah's Word not Himself."
Conclusion Therefore, Allah is ___________________________?

So then.. what is your conclusion and assumptions?

Peace brother.

Salaamun alayka,

assumptions hmm

My conclusion is that al3adl is not an Al-Asma Al-Husa. In The Quran it is NEVER referred to Allah.

salaam,
Bender

DrGm

Salam DrGm.

We are not talking about "you" and "me"

We are talking about the Qur'an.. has it been perfected or not?

If it is so.. then the words "this day" is not "today".

Otherwise, the Qur'an will never be perfected since the Qur'an is dependent on each of us to be perfected. So it is us that has not been perfected (our understanding), not the Qur'an. The Qur'an is always there and ready for us to understand its meaning.

Peace brother.

peace,

Quran is for you,me, all. we seek Quran for peace and to increase peace for ever.

i haven't said Quran is not perfected.

'this day' starts from 'today' for who /god-fearing seeks perfection/ peace from Quran.

peace

hawk99

Peace all,

There appears to be much confusion regarding 5/3 could it just be that it was the last
ayat revealed?

............ This day have I perfected/completed for you your religion and completed/perfected
My favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion; but whoever is compelled by hunger,
not inclining willfully to sin, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

God bless

peace

DrGm

Dear Bro,

Could you please explain further "moreover i do not believe, Adam.. Nuh.. Aad.. Ibrahim..Musa..Isa..Mohammed.. have any direct blood line, they are examples in the path of peace for humankind"...

In fact those Prophets have lived and shown the Right Path right ?. Regarding blood line its agreed. There are some sects claims that their fore ...fore fathers..fore fathers belongs to prophet hood etc. That forms a kind of Hadith which you and I discard straightaway.

I kindly asking whats your stand on "moreover i do not believe.. Adam....."

peace,

They are our fore fathers in the path of peace.

peace.

DrGm

Interesting.. how to shift human weaknesses to the words of Allah.

peace,

please can you brief 'how to shift human weaknesses to the words of Allah'

peace.

DrGm

Peace all,

There appears to be much confusion regarding 5/3 could it just be that it was the last
ayat revealed?

............ This day have I perfected/completed for you your religion and completed/perfected
My favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion; but whoever is compelled by hunger,
not inclining willfully to sin, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

God bless

peace

peace,

the last ayat revealed- one meaning agreed.

another meaning when a god-fearing man finds Quran as his only guide for salvation, then God's sign to him confirms to strengthen his belief "today I perfected/completed for you your path and My favor on you and chosen for you peace as way of life;"

peace.

muslims

Salaamun alayka,

assumptions hmm

My conclusion is that al3adl is not an Al-Asma Al-Husa. In The Quran it is NEVER referred to Allah.

salaam,
Bender

Salam Bender,

It is true, the specific words are not in the Qur'an, but it's descriptive definitions are everywhere in the Qur'an. Therefore, it is merely how human use their "rational thoughts" to understand how Allah represent Himself to human beings. To simplified for beginner students to understand Islam, and who are deaf, dumb and blind to understand reality. Is this wrong and are we prohibited from using our rational thoughts?

The root 'a-d-l has the following classical Arabic connotations

to act justly, fairly
to be equitable, impartial
to adjust properly, to make even
to straighten, to rectify, to establish justice
to balance, counterbalance, to make equal, uniform
to turn one away from something, rightly direct
to make comfortable with what is right

The One who rectifies and sets matters straight in a fair, impartial and equitable manner.
The One who always acts justly.
The One who delivers absolute justice.
The One whose wisdom of justice is based upon complete knowledge of past, present and future.

Peace brother.

Indeed, the worst of living creatures in the sight of Allah
are the deaf and dumb who do not use reason (Al-Anfal22)

muslims

peace,

please can you brief 'how to shift human weaknesses to the words of Allah'

peace.

Salam DrGm,

I understand your point, but the implication of your statement is that instead of admitting we are unable to understand the Qur'an, instead of admitting our weaknesses, instead of admitting we are the one who are not perfected .... we shift our weaknesses to the words of Allah; ie. claiming the Qur'an is not completed/perfected while human beings are perfect.

This is not the truth, it is an illusion, and it is not accurate to claim the Qur'an is not perfected merely because we cannot understand its true meaning.

So it is us that has not been perfected (our understanding), not the Qur'an. The Qur'an is always there and ready for us to understand its meaning.

Peace brother.

muslims

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And whoever seeks a "dnan" (&#1575 other than Islam
it will NEVER be accepted of him
and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers
(385)

jhonsonmustafa

And whoever seeks a "dnan" (&#1575 other than Islam
it will NEVER be accepted of him
and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers
(385)

Peace Brother.

See views will be different and my view is follows as. Since we are talking about Islam we have to be up most careful about
discussion and debate beautifully and peacefully. And there is no force in Islam.Force is against Islam.

The Blessed prophet Sulaimon did not uses force in spite of having Army of Men, Jins, Birds and Malaiks from Gins and men, and Biggest Army ever did not use FORCE. He is the best example of ISLAM run government.

Prophet Yousuf ran the Government in distribution of food in the best way.

But Islam is highest individual level of attainment recognized by Almighty (212
but not a collective one.

Islam can not be achieved by collective by means of Movement, Organization, Aids, you tube. Islam is one to one between the
individual and Almighty. The like mindedness thus forms the Group and will be united wherever they are. This is the command of GOD he will unite the Followers of Prophet Ibrahim where ever they are.

Thus Islam is dignified group of people united together. They will not make any movements rather they act individually with satisfaction of GOD.

DrGm

Peace Brother.

See views will be different and my view is follows as. Since we are talking about Islam we have to be up most careful about
discussion and debate beautifully and peacefully. And there is no force in Islam.Force is against Islam.

The Blessed prophet Sulaimon did not uses force in spite of having Army of Men, Jins, Birds and Malaiks from Gins and men, and Biggest Army ever did not use FORCE. He is the best example of ISLAM run government.

Prophet Yousuf ran the Government in distribution of food in the best way.

But Islam is highest individual level of attainment recognized by Almighty (212
but not a collective one.

Islam can not be achieved by collective by means of Movement, Organization, Aids, you tube. Islam is one to one between the
individual and Almighty. The like mindedness thus forms the Group and will be united wherever they are. This is the command of GOD he will unite the Followers of Prophet Ibrahim where ever they are.

Thus Islam is dignified group of people united together. They will not make any movements rather they act individually with satisfaction of GOD.

peace brother,

may Allah shower us His blessings.

peace

muslims

Peace Brother.

See views will be different and my view is follows as. Since we are talking about Islam we have to be up most careful about
discussion and debate beautifully and peacefully. And there is no force in Islam.Force is against Islam.

The Blessed prophet Sulaimon did not uses force in spite of having Army of Men, Jins, Birds and Malaiks from Gins and men, and Biggest Army ever did not use FORCE. He is the best example of ISLAM run government.

Prophet Yousuf ran the Government in distribution of food in the best way.

But Islam is highest individual level of attainment recognized by Almighty (212
but not a collective one.

Islam can not be achieved by collective by means of Movement, Organization, Aids, you tube. Islam is one to one between the
individual and Almighty. The like mindedness thus forms the Group and will be united wherever they are. This is the command of GOD he will unite the Followers of Prophet Ibrahim where ever they are.

Thus Islam is dignified group of people united together. They will not make any movements rather they act individually with satisfaction of GOD.

Salam jhonsonmustafa,

Sorry if you feel threatened by my comment. It is not my intention and there's no one forcing you to accept these ideas. Please don't take any of the above as personal attack, and neither did I personally refer my comment to you as an individual. I'm presenting facts from the Qur'an for open discussion, for logical reasoning, supported by evidence and valid reasons, and not resting our faith on dogma or invalid reasons/assumptions.

Secondly, you are right. There is no element of compulsion in Islam and I would love to hear any comment on the following conclusion.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Objective

In case following the Sunnatullah is the right way
please show in logical ways from the Quran

How to follow the Sunnatullah without disobeying other terms in the Quran
How to extract and apply the "system" of Sunnnatullah ("just and balance&quot in "ourselves"

Suggestion

I believe the Islamic Law are subjected to one main principle; ie. "No Compulsion". This is the Primary Rule, and all other rules are subordinate or subsidiary to this Primary Rule (Constitution). All rules must not be inconsistent with the Primary Rule, or it will be inapplicable to the extent of any inconsistency.

Therefore, the Believers will submit themselves "voluntarily" when they have committed any crimes. If they refused, then no one can force them to submit to the Islamic Law. It is so since Islam is only a "way of life", and there is no compulsion on how they want to lead their life. It also that there is no real need for Islamic Government or Political Party. Islam doesn't need a government, political party, or law enforcement agencies. There is only Allah's Sovereignty and Allah will punish the wrongdoer accordingly, as He wishes. Muslim need only to have faith in Allah, and do as what have been commanded in the Qur'an, according to its priority, right people, right place, and right time.

When people are ready to accept the Deen of Islam, they will then voluntarily form a government and Consultation Center to ask anything about Islam. "Consultation", or more closely like "Alternative Dispute Resolution" or "Arbitration", and not the form of government we know today. Therefore this entity can exist in any country as NGO etc and without any needs for any political participation.

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