:: Ma Malakat Aymaanukum - مَا مَلَکَتۡ اَیۡمَانُکُمۡ ::
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Peace mmkhan
Usage of yamiin in 5627 is different with 425, because both of two ayats talking different context.
Ashaabu al yamiin in 5627 is same with 9018's.The sentence in that two verses talking about some people who get the reward.
Brother I think it's your habit for intepretate words in the Quran but avoiding the contexs of the verses.It's just like in your thread about Bani.
Btw you forgot to mention verse 2431.Because the main issue is what is mamluk, what is yamiin in that verse.
I already get discussion in this THREAD and it seems I'm still not get proper answer on that.
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Quote from Mazhar on Yesterday at 034917 AM
Strange comparison; verb compared with a plural noun!!And it is not a plural.
Even if so called Arabic grammar does not support it, still it is not effecting the meaning of "Ma Makalakat Aiymaanukum" in anyways, inshaAllah.
When the analysis of three words of a sentence is patently ridiculous, the eventual perception drawn on that basis is nothing but erroneous.
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Thanks for putting forward your opinion.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhanThat is not opinion; that is basic principle in adademics. How can you call perception of a sentence as correct when the analysis of individual words of that sentence is void of sense?
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That is not opinion; that is basic principle in adademics. How can you call perception of a sentence as correct when the analysis of individual words of that sentence is void of sense?
If you can point that out with the supporting aayaat , then you are welcome to do so, otherwise sorry.
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Peace mmkhan
Usage of yamiin in 5627 is different with 425, because both of two ayats talking different context.
Ashaabu al yamiin in 5627 is same with 9018's.The sentence in that two verses talking about some people who get the reward.
Brother I think it's your habit for intepretate words in the Quran but avoiding the contexs of the verses.It's just like in your thread about Bani.
Btw you forgot to mention verse 2431.Because the main issue is what is mamluk, what is yamiin in that verse.
I already get discussion in this THREAD and it seems I'm still not get proper answer on that.
Peace Earthdom,
Thanks for your opinion and the link. InshaAllah I will get back to you on this.
May Allah bless you pr
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Quote from Mazhar on Today at 100405 AM
That is not opinion; that is basic principle in adademics. How can you call perception of a sentence as correct when the analysis of individual words of that sentence is void of sense?If you can point that out with the supporting aayaat , then you are welcome to do so, otherwise sorry.
Typical style of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed.
I am talking about basics of languages and their translations into other language. Individual words must be understood first, then phrases and then their structuring in the sentence to know the meanings conveyed in that sentence.
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Typical style of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed.
I am talking about basics of languages and their translations into other language. Individual words must be understood first, then phrases and then their structuring in the sentence to know the meanings conveyed in that sentence.
I am sorry to say but I see not difference between you and that al-amiyr thing. Both strive hard for others to follow them.
Thanks for letting me know that you don't have any aayat to prove me wrong. Thanks again.
BTW, who is that red highlighted guy?May Allah bless you pr
mmKhan -
I am sorry to say but I see not difference between you and that al-amiyr thing. Both strive hard for others to follow them.
Thanks for letting me know that you don't have any aayat to prove me wrong. Thanks again.
BTW, who is that red highlighted guy?May Allah bless you pr
mmKhanSalaam mmkhan,
Sorry if I'm interrupting you and Mazhar but I just want to answer your question regarding Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.
Since you are from India , I thought that you knew this Mirza Ghulam Ahmad guy.
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was the founder of Ahmadiyya sect/cult from Qadian, India.
Ahmadiyya is divided into 2 sub-cults, Qadiani and Lahori.
He considered himself to be a Prophet, second-coming of Jesus, a Mahdi and promised Messiah.
http//umersultan.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/mirza_ghulam_ahmad.gif
I have read that he stated that he got pregnant rotfl , he died in a toilet/restroom because of diarrhea and many other horrible things about him and most of the writers who wrote about him cited these from Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's book(s).Sorry for offtopic
Since you have read my introduction thread, if you re-read it, you'd know how I came to know about Ahmadiyya cult.
Regards,
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Salaam!
A few comments from Allama Parwez from a long article.
"Whatever laws the Quran contains about slaves, are intended for these slaves who were already presentin society. "Ma Malakat Aimanukum" means those who are already in your possession. This is stated in the past tense, meaning something that has been done before. At the advent of Islam, like in the rest of the world, slavery was prevalent among Arabs, too. Prisoners of war were turned into slaves by them. When they embraced Islam, they already had such slaves and concubines in their homes. If Islam had ordered them all out, then there would have been chaos in the society. Hence such laws were established, like freeing the slaves as expiation for many types of sins, providing the slave with his freedom in exchange of ransom value, marrying them and thus making them legal husband and wife, etc., whereby they were given freedom gradually.
For the future, The Quran completely closed the door on slavery. This was how it was done. For prisoners of war, the order was quite clear. The Quran says that after over powering them either be gracious to them and let them go, or else take ransom and let them free(474). The door for future slavery was thus closed by the Quran forever.
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Salaam mmkhan,
Sorry if I'm interrupting you and Mazhar but I just want to answer your question regarding Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.
Since you are from India , I thought that you knew this Mirza Ghulam Ahmad guy.
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was the founder of Ahmadiyya sect/cult from Qadian, India.
Ahmadiyya is divided into 2 sub-cults, Qadiani and Lahori.
He considered himself to be a Prophet, second-coming of Jesus, a Mahdi and promised Messiah.
http//umersultan.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/mirza_ghulam_ahmad.gif
I have read that he stated that he got pregnant rotfl , he died in a toilet/restroom because of diarrhea and many other horrible things about him and most of the writers who wrote about him cited these from Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's book(s).Sorry for offtopic
Since you have read my introduction thread, if you re-read it, you'd know how I came to know about Ahmadiyya cult.
Regards,
YulianaSalaam Yuliana,
I heard much about this person but didn't know how he looks like, ah so he is the one. Thanks for sharing it.
Red hypno o tempt
May Allah bless you pr
mmKhan -
Salaam!
A few comments from Allama Parwez from a long article.
"Whatever laws the Quran contains about slaves, are intended for these slaves who were already presentin society. "Ma Malakat Aimanukum" means those who are already in your possession. This is stated in the past tense, meaning something that has been done before. At the advent of Islam, like in the rest of the world, slavery was prevalent among Arabs, too. Prisoners of war were turned into slaves by them. When they embraced Islam, they already had such slaves and concubines in their homes. If Islam had ordered them all out, then there would have been chaos in the society. Hence such laws were established, like freeing the slaves as expiation for many types of sins, providing the slave with his freedom in exchange of ransom value, marrying them and thus making them legal husband and wife, etc., whereby they were given freedom gradually.
For the future, The Quran completely closed the door on slavery. This was how it was done. For prisoners of war, the order was quite clear. The Quran says that after over powering them either be gracious to them and let them go, or else take ransom and let them free(474). The door for future slavery was thus closed by the Quran forever.
Salaam aabdul,
Thanks for sharing it.
Red I think if it has to say "those who are already in your possession", then in 2461 will do . This point has already been made in the opening post of this thread.
The question is why then is added when only will do? To understand this point clearly, please take a look again at the opening post.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan -
Salaam aabdul,
Thanks for sharing it.
Red I think if it has to say "those who are already in your possession", then in 2461 will do . This point has already been made in the opening post of this thread.
The question is why then is added when only will do? To understand this point clearly, please take a look again at the opening post.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhanWhen words are taken out of a sentence they portray something different than they convey while within the sentence. these two words are what is called fragmented sentence; does not convey complete sense. The object of verb along with possessive singular masculine pronoun and then reading it with its preceding conjunct sentence would tell the difference. Here the verb denotes what is called substance---physical possession of a thing- "or that house whose keys are held by you". The other sentence signifies what is called accident--not physical but abstract---authority.
Pervez erred in not appreciating the difference of subject of verb.
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When words are taken out of a sentence they portray something different than they convey while within the sentence. these two words are what is called fragmented sentence; does not convey complete sense. The object of verb along with possessive singular masculine pronoun and then reading it with its preceding conjunct sentence would tell the difference. Here the verb denotes what is called substance---physical possession of a thing- "or that house whose keys are held by you". The other sentence signifies what is called accident--not physical but abstract---authority.
Pervez erred in not appreciating the difference of subject of verb.
Thanks for your input.
Red I am aware of it. I know it is not complete. Another word like "keys" in 2461 can be added after . Let me give an example
Instead of
__________ can be written.
Blank space is to add a word for slave or whatever.I am talking about the pattern used in 2461 as
This clearly shows your authority unlike where the authority of your right hand is mentioned, and not your authority.Hope this is clear now what I am trying to say, inshaAllah.
BTW, what Parvez believes and what Qadiyani believes has nothing to do with us.
They will answer for what they did and we have to answer for our deeds.May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
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Thanks for your input.
Red I am aware of it. I know it is not complete. Another word like "keys" in 2461 can be added after . Let me give an example
Instead of
__________ can be written.
Blank space is to add a word for slave or whatever.I am talking about the pattern used in 2461 as
This clearly shows your authority unlike where the authority of your right hand is mentioned, and not your authority.Hope this is clear now what I am trying to say, inshaAllah.
BTW, what Parvez believes and what Qadiyani believes has nothing to do with us.
They will answer for what they did and we have to answer for our deeds.May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan]__________ The subject of the verb is suffixed; second person plural. Next will come the object of verb to complete the sentence since the verb is transitive. It will signify possession of an object and not authority.
You are saying the same thing but argument-example is not valid because if you place AnNisa as its object it will patently be incorrect sentence since women are not objects.By using the feminine verb with subject helps that it has nothing to do with possession of objects but exercise of authority and inseparable responsibility.
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In the Bible
Among the Israelites, men commonly acknowledged their concubines, and such women enjoyed the same rights in the house as legitimate wives. The principal difference in the Bible between a wife and a concubine is that wives had dowries, while concubines did not.
The concubine may not have commanded the same respect and inviolability as the wife. In the Levitical rules on sexual relations, the Hebrew word that is commonly translated as "wife" is distinct from the Hebrew word that means "concubine". (However, on at least one other occasion the term is used to refer to a woman who is not a wife - specifically, the handmaiden of Jacob's wife.) In the Levitical code, sexual intercourse between a man and a wife of a different man was forbidden and punishable by death for both persons involved. The Bible notes several incidents of intercourse between a man and another man's concubine, and none of them resulted in capital punishment for either party, although the man to whom the concubine belonged was dishonored by such a relationship. For instance, David is portrayed as having been dishonored when his concubines had a sexual relationship with his son Absalom.
Because it was regarded as the highest blessing to have many children, legitimate wives often gave their maids to their husbands to atone, at least in part, if they were barren, as in the cases of Sarah and Hagar, and Rachel and Bilhah. The children of the concubine had equal rights with those of the legitimate wife; for example, King Abimelech was the son of Gideon and his concubine. Later biblical figures such as Gideon, and Solomon had concubines in addition to many childbearing wives. For example, the Books of Kings say that Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.
In Judaism
In Judaism, concubines are referred to by the Hebrew term pilegesh. The term is a non-Hebrew, non-Semitic loanword derived from the Greek word, pallakis, Greek , meaning "a mistress staying in house".
According to the Babylonian Talmud, the difference between a concubine and a full wife was that the latter received a marriage contract (Hebrewketubah) and her marriage (nissu'in) was preceded by a formal betrothal (erusin). Neither was the case for a concubine. One opinion in the Jerusalem Talmud argues that the concubine should also receive a marriage contract, but without a clause specifying a divorce settlement.
Certain Jewish thinkers, such as Maimonides, believed that concubines were strictly reserved for kings, and thus that a commoner may not have a concubine. Indeed, such thinkers argued that commoners may not engage in any type of sexual relations outside of a marriage. Even before Maimonides' assertions, Sunni Muslims officially prohibited mutah (i.e., temporary marriage) relationships. Some commentators have suggested that Maimonides changed his view in response to the Sunni prohibition, just as Gershom ben Judah banned polygamy after Christians prohibited the practice.
Maimonides was not the first Jewish thinker to criticise concubinage. For example, Leviticus Rabbah severely condemns the custom. Other Jewish thinkers, such as Nahmanides, Samuel ben Uri Shraga Phoebus, and Jacob Emden, strongly objected to the idea that concubines should be forbidden.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concubinage
It probably was a popular practice among the Jews of Medina and many Arabs of Medina might also have practiced it. Later Islamic authorities attached that meaning with slaves to legalize slavery and rape.
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Bigmo,
You reject Hadiths but cited Bible and Talmud to prove your arguments that ma malakat aymanukum means concubines.
Can you please read verse 425?
Regards,
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Bigmo,
You reject Hadiths but cited Bible and Talmud to prove your arguments that ma malakat aymanukum means concubines.
Can you please read verse 425?
Regards,
YulianaThat verse has been dealt with here many times and has been discussed many times. I have not heard an argument that fits the verses of the Quran than the one i cited. Its a Jewish tradition and the Quran did not encourage that form of marriage but a concubine is still an oath between two parties but there is no real protection for women. Anyways this practice in Arab countries are called "urfi marriages" where a marriage takes place by oath only with no dowry or place of living usually by people who are poor. The Quran encourages marriage like this to be elevated by ensuring financial protection and informing family members. Its also said that a women should be able to have the contract if she asked for it. Often men tear that contract and throw it away claiming there was no relationship especially when the women gets pregnant.
ikah 'urfi is a kind of Muslim marriage. It is similar to the Nikah ceremony. An 'urfi marriage is a marriage without an official contract. Couples repeat the words, "We got married" and pledge commitment before God. Usually a paper, stating that the two are married, is written and two witnesses sign it. Most Islamic countries do not recognize 'Urfi marriages and no partner can get a 'legal' divorce since the government does not recognize the legality of the marriage in the first place.
Urfi (Arabic ي comes from the Arabic word 'Urf, which means custom, convention, or a customary act. Urfi is not very common, more common however is nikah Misyar. Many who adhere to Salafism engage in Misyar. Misyar marriages are very common in Arab countries and are meant to receive sexual gratification in a legitimate way, according to the Salafi doctrine. On the other hand, according to many Sunnis it is not permissible to engage in nikah misyar. Many Sunnis who adhere to the Ahle-Sunnath Wal Jamath and Sufi point of views have often criticized this practice, and have related it to prostitution. The term 'Nikah Misyar' has not been used as a legal term in historical Sunni jurisprudence, and is argued by many Sunnis to be something new that does not fit in within the Sunni tradition.
In its modern context, 'Urfi is used to connote something that is different to official state ceremony or procedure. Thus a Nikah 'urfi' in an Islamic state may denote something similar to a common-law marriage in the west, while in some countries, such as Egypt, a Nikah 'Urfi is a marriage that takes place without the public approval of the bride's guardians, even though the contract is officiated by a religious cleric and sometimes by a state representative.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikah_%27urfi
Finally the Qur'an itself refers to the previous scriptures many times and says the Qur'an came to confirm these scriptures.
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]__________ The subject of the verb is suffixed; second person plural. Next will come the object of verb to complete the sentence since the verb is transitive. It will signify possession of an object and not authority.
You are saying the same thing but argument-example is not valid because if you place AnNisa as its object it will patently be incorrect sentence since women are not objects.By using the feminine verb with subject helps that it has nothing to do with possession of objects but exercise of authority and inseparable responsibility.
Sorry for late reply.
Red The definition of "object" on dictionary.com is
ob?ject Show IPA
noun- anything that is visible or tangible and is relatively stable in form.
- a thing, person, or matter to which thought or action is directed an object of medical investigation.
- the end toward which effort or action is directed; goal; purpose Profit is the object of business.
- a person or thing with reference to the impression made on the mind or the feeling or emotion elicited in an observer an object of curiosity and pity.
- anything that may be apprehended intellectually objects of thought.
So, alNisa could be used after __________
Even _____________ could be used instead of
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
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Peace mmkhan
Usage of yamiin in 5627 is different with 425, because both of two ayats talking different context.
Ashaabu al yamiin in 5627 is same with 9018's.The sentence in that two verses talking about some people who get the reward.
Peace Earthdom,
Sorry for late reply.
I understood what you mean but you did not get I was saying. Even the words used in 5627 and 425 is different and in different contexts, the root meaning will not change.Brother I think it's your habit for intepretate words in the Quran but avoiding the contexs of the verses.It's just like in your thread about Bani.
Unless we know the meaning of word, how will you understand its context? hmm
I would suggest you to try little harder to understand what means Bani. D Try to look at the structure of words used in alQuraan.Btw you forgot to mention verse 2431.Because the main issue is what is mamluk, what is yamiin in that verse.
I already get discussion in this THREAD and it seems I'm still not get proper answer on that.
I don't find the words "mamluk" and "yamiin" in 2431. But if you are referring to maa malakat aymaanuhunna, then please take a close look at what I wrote about , inshaAllah, you will understand 2431 clearly.
Otherwise, as per general translations, those women in 2431 are also can have sex with their slave boys without marriage &
May Allah protect us prMay Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan