Non performers of As-Salaat are not true believers
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So do you agree that the concept of salat can be universal for every people, or is this particular special salat which you call time bound protocol etc the final true and only salat since Ibrahim and must be followed by everyone after for salvation?
For each nation not humanity. There lies the difference.
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So do you agree that the concept of salat can be universal for every people, or is this particular special salat which you call time bound protocol etc the final true and only salat since Ibrahim and must be followed by everyone after for salvation?For each nation not humanity. There lies the difference.
I said every people so is it yes, no, maybe, the former, the latter? -
I said every people so is it yes, no, maybe, the former, the latter?
To each nation denotes respectively, rites individualised. Like no nation before Ibrahim alahissalam were required to perform Hajj of the House of Allah the Exalted since it was not on ground in those days.
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To each nation denotes respectively, rites individualised. Like no nation before Ibrahim alahissalam were required to perform Hajj of the House of Allah the Exalted since it was not on ground in those days.
Do the Hell-Prison denizens complain of not doing Hajj thus ending up in Hell-Prison? Kaaba/hajj has been discussed here for ages with reasonable non traditional explanations. If you wish to stick to your guns, go ahead.
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Do the Hell-Prison denizens complain of not doing Hajj thus ending up in Hell-Prison? Kaaba/hajj has been discussed here for ages with reasonable non traditional explanations. If you wish to stick to your guns, go ahead.
Origin not agreed.
Agreed As-salat is mandatory; non performers are not true believers.
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peace Mazhar,
peace Mazhar,
These comments are with regard to this salat article of yours.
You discuss 2238 and assume there are two salat each side of al salat al wusta - why two? why not 3 each side etc
In 2238 why mention one of the five salat separately according to you, when it is already covered by the plural salawat?
According to you, which salat can be done on the move (2239) "al salat al wusta" or the other "salawat"? And what is your evidence for this.
what is your evidence for "zulaf" meaning "early"?
You repeatedly cite "salat al fajr" and "salat al 3sha" as reference points but you have no reference for the other alleged 3 salat hence refer to them as "this al salat" or "al salat for the point in time of...".etc etc - why does Quran not clarify the reference terms for the alleged other 3 in your view? If it does give the terms, please provide them.
When discussing "salat al fajr" with me you said this is not a name of a "salat" but in your article you state "The other two prescribed al salat are also NAMED by the point in time" (then you reference 245
You seemingly contradict yourself when you say "The remaining two timings for al salat are at two visual transition EDGES of the day which are in the LATER day..." - ask anyone about what the two edges of daytime are and they will never discuss them being later in the day.
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You seemingly have no break in-between some salat.Some of your 5 salat have specific times AND time-ranges whilst others do not - why?
You stopped answering these questions. Please continue from where you left, i.e. after Q4.
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When discussing "salat al fajr" with me you said this is not a name of a "salat" but in your article you state "The other two prescribed al salat are also NAMED by the point in time" (then you reference 2458
I did not expect such a question from an academic. A possessive phrase is not a name in the sense of specific identity. It denotes reference when associated with some point in time. "They are also referred by the point in time".
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Peace Mazhar,
Except Allah the Exalted all that exists is binary in nature. Belief and Islam are two elements of a binary relationship. Belief is to accept heartily it is ideological; its observable demonstration is Islam-the code of aright conduct.
One may seem acting according to Islam without being a believer as is depicted in 4914. Similarly Muna'fi'qeen Imposter Believers also perform As-Salat though only for showing to people.
Please read this segment of the compilation on As-Salat
It is a prerequisite for recognition as brother in Islam
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Kudos to brother savage_carrot for one of the finest observations. May Allah(swt) increase his knowledge and bless him with more precision of mind!
Salaam!
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Similarly Muna'fi'qeen Imposter Believers also perform As-Salat though only for showing to people.
True! brother Mazhar. Are you talking about As-Salat ?Time bound protocol of servitude and allegiance? with respect to Muna'fi'qeen Imposter Believers?
Salaam!
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Peace,
Allow me to clarify, If a person accepts that there is only one God, but has not reached the
the point of Mu'men, according to 49/14 that person is muslim because of acknowledgement
yet still the journey has begun even though that person
does not make salat, because there is still much to learn, should that person be considered
kafir until they start to perform the salat?God bless
peace
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Salaam,
A question is how we should define "salat" and what it truly is. My understanding is that it means being aware of God and obeying Him. But I also believe that there are moments of particularly intense communication, traditionally regarded as prayers when we call upon and rely on God for whatever we may wish in our lives. God knows what is in our hearts, but I still believe in this rhetorical act.
Moreover, I believe that we should constantly be in a sort of "state of prayer".
On the other hand, I do not believe there are such fixed prayer times but rather they should be performed on a regular basis.
The traditional asr and maghrib prayers I think was Muhammad's personal preference. Only Islamic so-called "Sunnah" made it 'fard'.
The rakah system I also believe to be an invention. There is no trace of it in Quran either, not a hint. However, I think chapter one of Quran was intended as a prayer/supplication.
God bless you
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The traditional asr and maghrib prayers I think was Muhammad's personal preference. Only Islamic so-called "Sunnah" made it 'fard'.
Salaam brother Man of Faith,
May I take this opportunity to put forth the following Questions to be discussed, understood and answered correctly
(i) Muhammad's personal preference - Who was Muhammad by the way? If you mean the prophet to whom Al-Quran was sent down from Allah(swt), can you say it for certain his name was 'Muhammad' whereas in the verse 616, the name of the Rasool who was scheduled to come over in the timeline after Prophet Eissa(PBUH) has been described as 'Ahmad'.
(ii) You mean to say Asr and Maghrib have been made 'Fard' by the so called propounders of Sunnah, the other ones viz. Fazr, Isa etc. have been made 'Fard' in Quran. Can you find the word 'Fard' with 'Salat' anywhere in Al-Quran?
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Salaam brother Hawk99,
As far as I understand, Momineen and Mominaat are those who are vested with the authority to issue commands accurately to follow the commandments enjoined with do's and dont's (Al-Quran - 971 refers).
Muslimeen are those who are appreciative of divine laws and are law abiding. (Al-Quran - 2128 refers).
Salaam!
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Be always mindful for performing As-Salaat; and just peep in the Hell-Prison to listen its dwellers.
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/00024.%20Salat%20Suad%20Lam%20Waw/25.gif The time bound Protocol of Servitude and Allegiance is the fundamental protocol for non-verbal demonstration of the truthfulness of one's claim of having accepted and become a believer. This is manifestation of belief and key to success and fruitfulness
Be always mindful for performing As-Salaat
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peace Mazhar,
peace Mazhar,
These comments are with regard to this salat article of yours.
You discuss 2238 and assume there are two salat each side of al salat al wusta - why two? why not 3 each side etc
In 2238 why mention one of the five salat separately according to you, when it is already covered by the plural salawat?
According to you, which salat can be done on the move (2239) "al salat al wusta" or the other "salawat"? And what is your evidence for this.
what is your evidence for "zulaf" meaning "early"?
You repeatedly cite "salat al fajr" and "salat al 3sha" as reference points but you have no reference for the other alleged 3 salat hence refer to them as "this al salat" or "al salat for the point in time of...".etc etc - why does Quran not clarify the reference terms for the alleged other 3 in your view? If it does give the terms, please provide them.
When discussing "salat al fajr" with me you said this is not a name of a "salat" but in your article you state "The other two prescribed al salat are also NAMED by the point in time" (then you reference 245
You seemingly contradict yourself when you say "The remaining two timings for al salat are at two visual transition EDGES of the day which are in the LATER day..." - ask anyone about what the two edges of daytime are and they will never discuss them being later in the day.
8 )
You seemingly have no break in-between some salat.Some of your 5 salat have specific times AND time-ranges whilst others do not - why?
Please continue from where you left, i.e. after Q6.
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peace Mazhar,
Please continue from where you left, i.e. after Q6.
You seemingly contradict yourself when you say "The remaining two timings for al salat are at two visual transition EDGES of the day which are in the LATER day..." - ask anyone about what the two edges of daytime are and they will never discuss them being later in the day.
This question too was not expected from an academic, particularly he who is compiling Root List using Lane. Please visit Lane and again my article.
" " its basic perception as quoted in classical lexicon of Ibn Faris is
That it leads to the perception of extremity of a thing and its corners-edges.
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Does anybody know
Which prophets/messengers asked God to have them consistently observes the Contact
Prayers before Abraham.Adam (Adam)
Idris (Enoch)
Nuh (Noah)
Hud (Eber)
Saleh
Ibrahim (Abraham)
Lut (Lot)
Isma'il (Ishmael)
Is-haq (Isaac)
Ya'qub (Jacob)
Yusuf (Joseph)
Ayyub (Job)
Shu'aib (Jethro
Harun (Aaron)
Musa (Moses)
Dawud (David)
Sulayman (Solomon)
Ilyas (Elijah / Elias)
Al-Yasa' (Elisha)
Yunus (Jonah / Jonas)
Dhul-Kifl (Ezekiel
Zakariyya (Zechariah / Zecharias)
Yahya (John the Baptist)
Isa (Jesus)
Muhammad (Praiseworthy)
Brother Hawk99, you have put Prophet Idris (PBUH) before Prophet Ibrahim(PBUH) in the timeline. Can you kindly substantiate this positioning, as Brother Mazhar does not agree with this arrangement because it does not suit his designs. Please do reply since it is very important.
Salaam!
