Would you like to marry a hadither?
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And to Hawk, I am sorry if my post sounded unwise, ridiculous or immature. I was talking about hardcore hadither, not Sectarian Muslims in general.
Peace diamantinehoneybunch,
I was stating an overall approach to life, not in the case of a person looking for a soul-mate.
I agree with you that one should marry the person that most likely resembles themselves.
like with like, kind with kind. When I got married we were both sunni, but at heart we are
both seekers. In your quest, keep your list of qualities you prefer, and stick with them after
due consultation with others who's judgement you trust. I would say that a spouse is 60%
of your happiness, therefore don't look for somebody to change but look for that special
person who is a fit. Finally, put God first, ask God for his help, then relax and be patient.How about the story of Moses and how he got married
When he reached Midyan's water, he found a crowd of people watering, and
noticed two women waiting on the side. He said, "What is it that you need?" They said,
"We are not able to water, until the crowd disperses, and our father is an old man."He watered for them, then turned to the shade, saying, "My Lord, whatever
provision You send to me, I am in dire need for it."Soon, one of the two women approached him, shyly, and said, "My father
invites you to pay you for watering for us." When he met him, and told him his story,
he said, "Have no fear. You have been saved from the oppressive people."Moses Marries
One of the two women said, "O my father, hire him. He is the best one to hire,
for he is strong and honest."He said, "I wish to offer one of my two daughters for you to marry, in return
for working for me for eight pilgrimages; if you make them ten, it will be voluntary on
your part. I do not wish to make this matter too difficult for you. You will find me, GOD
willing, righteous."He said, "It is an agreement between me and you. Whichever period I fulfill,
you will not be averse to either one. GOD is the guarantor of what we said."May God grant you your wishes
peace
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If you want to get married, can you imagine yourself with a hadither?
And for the members in a relationship/marriage are you married to an hadither? If yes, how do you deal with it?
what doesn't a hadither have that others do? Being one of them shoudnt be the deciding factor at all, its all about whether you are a good person or not!
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Peace Yuliana,
So that is an important thing for you if he is a 19er or not? What is a 19er anyway? Simply believing in some code? That is deciding if you want to marry him or not? Look at me, I am a 19er if you mean by believing in the existence of a code in the Book, but it does not make me any different Believer than a non-19er. p
ps. I am married ds.
God bless you
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Peace Yuliana,
So that is an important thing for you if he is a 19er or not? What is a 19er anyway? Simply believing in some code? That is deciding if you want to marry him or not? Look at me, I am a 19er if you mean by believing in the existence of a code in the Book, but it does not make me any different Believer than a non-19er. p
ps. I am married ds.
God bless you
Salaam,
I'm sorry if I made you angry with me.
I have already known that you are married.
What I mean by 19er is someone who extremely supports code 19 and rejects the existence of Muhammad.
I am interested in someone who has the same faith as I doI often read old topics. I have read a few people claim themselves to be messengers of GOD or call others who preachthe code 19 to be messengers of GOD. &
Btw God willing I could have the chance to read all arguments and debates regarding code 19.
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Peace Yuliana,
I guessed as much. Just asking rhetorical questions. I agree that a lot of people are completely soaked up with this phenomenon and are almost unable to do anything else useful. One has to be very careful proclaiming Messengership. The probability that just YOU are a Messenger is so extremely low it is almost non-existent. I have had feelings of responsibility towards my Lord, but I would not claim to be a Messenger lest an angel came straight up and told me or there would be a clear confrontation with the Holy Spirit.
You shall follow the commands of your Lord. Has He not inspired you and shown you undeniable signs then you are not a Messenger but just a humble servant, a blessed follower of God.
However, we can all be spreading God's religion without being Message-bearers. It is up to each and every one of us.
God bless you
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Muslims I mean Sunni and Shia. A Koranist is also a Jew(yahudi means guided and is used in the Koran for believers) and also a Christian(nasara is used in the Koran on Jesus's disciples) and also a Koranist can be a Muslim. The Koran uses many adjectives but mostly it used mu'min.
I think what happens is that many Koranist i see here are actually intolerant of other faiths. This can reflect badly in marriages as the Koranist might be always lecturing and arguing. And when the Muslim or Christian does not respond he then looks at verses in the Koran regarding the pagans and applies it on them. The Koranist tells himself or herself that the reason he is not responding because he is blind, or he has a sickness in his heart, or he is under the influence of satan etc.
Maybe I am wrong. But i do see how some here will have a hard time with any other religious tradition other than theirs.
If a person wants to eat with his right hand or wants to do 7 tawaf around ka'ba or believes that prayer should be done 5 times a day at certain times and that the prophet of the Koran will intercede for humans on the day of judgement that has no bearing to me. He or she can believe so. It does not make him a mushrik. Shirk is a big word in the Koran and is not something that we think it is. Shirk is basically undermining God and placing in the sam status as humans. Shirk is the belief that God is limited, either by nature or by fate or by abilities. Shrik sees God as a superhuman but not really all powerful.
Anotherthing i noticed is that some Koranist have more knowledge than most Muslims do and may try to use that to argue with Muslims who may want to avoid the subject. The belief that a Sunni or Shia is mushrik and an idol worshiper makes some Koranist think unless I can persuade that Sunni or Shia then only I can be with him. This creates conflicts.
Marriage requires some compromise and if you are someone who has a very narrow definition of whats acceptable than its almost impossible for different religions to work. The Koran says that God created humans belonging to different religious communities and tells us that Jews and Christians and Muslims including Koranist have one God.
Why should we then question the Koran's judgement. The Koran allowed us to marry Christian and Jews. Yet some here still refuse that. So how can you then get along with Sunnis. When we say we are non sectarian we must be true to that. The Koran says anyone who believes in God and the herefater is a believer. So lets keep that criteria and not add our own. This is what seperates us from the others, we should recognize that God is for everybody who believes in Him.
The Koran tells us there are believing Jews and Christians and non believing Jews and Christians and tells us that Muhamamd was surrounded by believers but also hypocrites who are even worst than the non believers. But the Koran reminds us that we would never be one community even if we have one God. That is God's judgement and we should accept that. We should look at people's charcater and personality and not fight over circumcission and drinking from the well of zam zam. Even if you believe Abraham was never in Mecca it really does not matter. God deals with intentions. All of us here probably have interpretations of some verses of the Koran that may be incorrect. It does not have to be that we need to straighten a Sunni or Shia out everytime he believes in something like the black stone. Koranist can be very emotional and feel the need to correct others but it could turn of people who may want religion to be somewhat traditional. As long as it does not contradict the Koran than why not?
Thank you, just what I needed.
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Peace Yuliana,
What exactly is a 19er? You said you wanted a non-19er?
Is mere belief in the so-called 'Code 19' enough to render someone a 19er or is there any other criterion?
I believe in 19 being a identifier or sign, but I regard it as no more than that. Does it make me a 19er?
I am a 7er too in that case hypno
God bless you
rotfl Laughed out loud MOF, that tickled me it did.
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A true Follower of Hadith would never marry even a modern Muslim, let alone a Hadith-rejector. According to our elders and scholars, such a marriage is null and void and is in fact nothing less than adultery since such marriage between a Muslim and a Hadith-rejector is not recognized by Islam.
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A true Follower of Hadith would never marry even a modern Muslim, let alone a Hadith-rejector. According to our elders and scholars, such a marriage is null and void and is in fact nothing less than adultery since such marriage between a Muslim and a Hadith-rejector is not recognized by Islam.
Really? So the Prophet Mohammed's marriages were invalid? (!)
"Do not write anything from me except the Qur'an. Whoever wrote, must destroy it."
Muhammad, as narrated by Abu Sa'eed al-KhudriIs this an official Sunni position or just your own personal interpretation?
I'd also like to know what constitutes a 'modern' Muslim, and why they wouldn't be suitable for marriage. Driving a car? Using an internet discussion forum?
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Why are you using a Hadith to disprove Hadith? Doesn't make sense.
To show that the hadiths are self-contradictory. Full stop.
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To show that the hadiths are self-contradictory. Full stop.
The Hadith appear as contradictory to those who don't take the time to study them and their context. For example, anyone can say that even the Quran contradicts itself
1.) "Verily! You (O Muhammad salallahu alayhi wa sallam) guide not whom you like, but All?h guides whom He wills. And He knows best those who are the guided." (Al-Qasas 2856)
"Not upon you (Muhammad ) is their guidance, but All?h guides whom He wills."(Al-Baqarah 2272)
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2.) It is He Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad salallahu alayhi wa sallam) with guidance and the religion of truth (Isl?m), to make it superior over all religions even though the Mushrik?n (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of All?h) hate (it). (At-Tawbah 933)
{And verily, you (O Muhammad م are indeed guiding (mankind) to the Straight Path (i.e. Allah's religion of Islamic Monotheism).}
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The Hadith appear as contradictory to those who don't take the time to study them and their context. For example, anyone can say that even the Quran contradicts itself
1.) "Verily! You (O Muhammad salallahu alayhi wa sallam) guide not whom you like, but All?h guides whom He wills. And He knows best those who are the guided." (Al-Qasas 2856)
"Not upon you (Muhammad ) is their guidance, but All?h guides whom He wills."(Al-Baqarah 2272)
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2.) It is He Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad salallahu alayhi wa sallam) with guidance and the religion of truth (Isl?m), to make it superior over all religions even though the Mushrik?n (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of All?h) hate (it). (At-Tawbah 933)
{And verily, you (O Muhammad م are indeed guiding (mankind) to the Straight Path (i.e. Allah's religion of Islamic Monotheism).}
No contradictions, only your misunderstanding at work. Please read contexts.
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The Hadith appear as contradictory to those who don't take the time to study them and their context. For example, anyone can say that even the Quran contradicts itself
1.) "Verily! You (O Muhammad salallahu alayhi wa sallam) guide not whom you like, but All?h guides whom He wills. And He knows best those who are the guided." (Al-Qasas 2856)
"Not upon you (Muhammad ) is their guidance, but All?h guides whom He wills."(Al-Baqarah 2272)
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2.) It is He Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad salallahu alayhi wa sallam) with guidance and the religion of truth (Isl?m), to make it superior over all religions even though the Mushrik?n (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of All?h) hate (it). (At-Tawbah 933)
{And verily, you (O Muhammad م are indeed guiding (mankind) to the Straight Path (i.e. Allah's religion of Islamic Monotheism).}
None of these quotations refer to Hadith.
Also what constitutes modern, sitting on a toilet seat?
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The Hadith appear as contradictory to those who don't take the time to study them and their context. For example, anyone can say that even the Quran contradicts itself
1.) "Verily! You (O Muhammad salallahu alayhi wa sallam) guide not whom you like, but All?h guides whom He wills. And He knows best those who are the guided." (Al-Qasas 2856)
"Not upon you (Muhammad ) is their guidance, but All?h guides whom He wills."(Al-Baqarah 2272)
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2.) It is He Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad salallahu alayhi wa sallam) with guidance and the religion of truth (Isl?m), to make it superior over all religions even though the Mushrik?n (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of All?h) hate (it). (At-Tawbah 933)
{And verily, you (O Muhammad م are indeed guiding (mankind) to the Straight Path (i.e. Allah's religion of Islamic Monotheism).}
I dont see any contradiction there )
But you as a sunni do, which says enough. You are blaspheming, but thats your freedom of coarse.
Futheron, your lack of English and logics, is astonishing.
Guidance is from God. How can the prophet guide? By proclaiming that which has been sent to the prophet with guidance )
You see? No hadith, nothing.
Whatever, I am out of here jedi
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Peace diamantinehoneybunch,
I was stating an overall approach to life, not in the case of a person looking for a soul-mate.
I agree with you that one should marry the person that most likely resembles themselves.
like with like, kind with kind. When I got married we were both sunni, but at heart we are
both seekers. In your quest, keep your list of qualities you prefer, and stick with them after
due consultation with others who's judgement you trust. I would say that a spouse is 60%
of your happiness, therefore don't look for somebody to change but look for that special
person who is a fit. Finally, put God first, ask God for his help, then relax and be patient.How about the story of Moses and how he got married
When he reached Midyan's water, he found a crowd of people watering, and
noticed two women waiting on the side. He said, "What is it that you need?" They said,
"We are not able to water, until the crowd disperses, and our father is an old man."He watered for them, then turned to the shade, saying, "My Lord, whatever
provision You send to me, I am in dire need for it."Soon, one of the two women approached him, shyly, and said, "My father
invites you to pay you for watering for us." When he met him, and told him his story,
he said, "Have no fear. You have been saved from the oppressive people."Moses Marries
One of the two women said, "O my father, hire him. He is the best one to hire,
for he is strong and honest."He said, "I wish to offer one of my two daughters for you to marry, in return
for working for me for eight pilgrimages; if you make them ten, it will be voluntary on
your part. I do not wish to make this matter too difficult for you. You will find me, GOD
willing, righteous."He said, "It is an agreement between me and you. Whichever period I fulfill,
you will not be averse to either one. GOD is the guarantor of what we said."May God grant you your wishes
peace
Peace and Greetings! lol
Owl, who is wise! jedi ;D -
I dont know. Although my family is a sunni, they were never the one to keep up with sectarian practice. My father hasn't prayed in 20 years except for ramadan. My mom is the only one in on our household who was able to continue salat without missing it. Now she is suffering from so many illness that it's hard for her to keep up with it. I think my father can be considered a submitter if we take his misogynist ideas out of the equations. He has never been the one to follow those stupid hadiths ( except for sexist ones of course ) he believes that we can only be gain the highest level of jannah by being righteous and just. He doesn't believe that muslims are superior than jews and Christian. His focuses more on correcting your character than praying 5 times a day and believes kindness and righteous is the only way to jannah. I just wish he wasn't a misogynist. He believes that women are given the role to serve their husbands only, women literally have to take permission from their husbands to breathe... Blah blah blah. Although he doesn't practice it on mom and me, he thinks nowadays relationships are not surviving Because women are trying to swap their roles. He is a typical conservative who is more influenced by our outdated culture than the hadiths. So my dad claims to be sunni, is a hadithmonger ( to some extent ) and still he is doing pretty good as a husband. Would I marry a hadithmonger ? It depends really. Not all hadithers are conservative. Many hardly follow the hadiths. I would be fine marrying someone like my dad ( minus the misogynist thinking or else it's a big no )
