Should gay marriage be legal?

Lambda

//I'm not an attorney; I'm just a college freshman who wants to go to law school.
I know that Justice Scalia hates gay marriage; he's Roman Catholic. It seems that the Supreme Court did not really solve the problem of gay marriage; the justices just tried to avoid it. Some people claimed that we need to thank Justice Ginsburg for striking down DOMA, but in fact, Ginsburg wan't so sure about gay marriage. Later, I read on a Christian magazine about how the US is turning sinful in the 20th and 21st century; allowing gay marriage is to corrupt the basic building blocks of society, which are marriage and family.

I've been wondering whether a state using Quran as its constitution will allow gay marriage ever since the Supreme Court agreed to hear about DOMA and Proposition 8. I already know that gays have somewhat significant contribution to distribution of AIDS in the West; that's in the A-Level biology textbook. I already know that God destroyed Sodom largely because of gays; that's even more filthy than heterosexual adultery. Yes, sodomy is unnatural; it's against human bodies' natural design, and it's long been labeled "crime against nature." But should the state punish gays? That's a different question, perhaps just like we should leave idolaters to God, instead of our courts.

According to http//www.masjidtucson.org/submission/perspectives/more/traits/homosexuality.html, gay marriage is forbidden by God, but we shouldn't persecute gays, because of 608-9. It means that, as long as gays don't pose a threat to society, we should treat them equitably. That was my first idea about homosexuals. However, I changed my mind recently.

1672 God has made for you mates from amongst yourselves, and He has made from your mates children and grandchildren, and He has provided you from the good provisions. Do they acknowledge falsehood, while in God's favor they are denying?

This means that marriage has to be a man with a woman, since two men or two women can't reproduce. What about manually taking the nucleus of a haploid cell from each person of the gay couple, make sure that not both of the cells contain Y chromosome, and merge them to be one nucleus, and substitute the nucleus of an egg cell with this nucleus? Well, for gay men, their child won't have their own mitochondria, since the mitochondria of a child exclusively come from the egg cell. So that child isn't 100% child made from the mates. For lesbians, then whose egg cell to choose? Or pick some from one, and some from the other? Furthermore, what if a lesbian couple wants a son, while they don't have the Y chromosome? The child produced that way still isn't 100% child made from the mates. How would such technology affect the human species' population and evolution? Genetic disease? How would that affect the ecosystem? Perhaps such will show that homosexual marriage isn't valid in the sight of God. Elsewhere in Quran only mentions marriage between men and women, and divorce in Quran is always about a man and a woman.

242 The adulteress and the adulterer, you shall lash each of them one hundred lashes, and do not let any pity take you over God's system if you acknowledge God and the Last Day. Let a group of the acknowledgers witness their punishment.

What's adultery? You can doubt my definition, since I don't know Arabic except the alphabets. Adultery is sexual intercourse between a person and a person (does it have to be Homo sapiens?) not married to him/her. If same-sex marriage is not valid in the sight of God, then homosexual sex is adultery, and God orders us to punish adulterers. Well, to punish people engaging in homosexual sex, we have the burden to show that same-sex marriage is not valid in the sight of God. BTW, nowhere in Lot's story is relevant to same-sex marriage itself, but all that is is men having sex with men. So if we can show that gay marriage isn't valid in the sight of God, we can make sodomy a crime (I don't know felony or misdemeanor).

Should gay marriage be valid in our secular laws? I don't know. I'm experimenting here.
607 Perhaps God will grant compassion between you and those you consider enemies; and God is Omnipotent. God is Forgiving, Compassionate.
608 God does not forbid you from those who have not fought you because of your system, nor drove you out of your homes, that you deal kindly and equitably with them. For God loves the equitable.
609 But God does forbid you regarding those who fought you because of your system, and drove you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out. You shall not ally with them. Those who ally with them, then such are the transgressors.

Most gays didn't fight us or drive us out of our homes because we're Monotheists, so we shouldn't engage in sexual orientation discrimination. But if so, does the mate have to be a human? What about unlimited polygamy?

It seems that law plays an important role to shape a people of a nation. Like in China, where the law is too simple and lacks sanction, bribing is a norm in government staffs, and as a result, a job in government has become the dream job of many Chinese, just for the sake of money. Because of bribing, courts don't work, so terrorist attacks are more and more common, and investigation shows that those terrorists suffered from injustice, but it's impossible for the government to grant them justice. More people in US believe in God than in Europe. In his dissent in Marsh v. Chambers, Justice Brennan quoted Alexis de Tocqueville's impression of US in 1830's to suggest that Establishment Clause and striking down legislative prayer will actually promote religion. I get some clues from these examples.

3104 Let there be a nation from amongst you that calls towards goodness, and orders recognized norms, and deters from evil. These are the successful ones.

3110 You became the best nation that emerged for the people; you order recognized norms, deter from evil, and trust/acknowledge God. If the people of the book acknowledged, it would have been better for them; from amongst them are acknowledgers, but most remain wicked.

So if there is a state that uses the Scriptures as its Constitution, the state should work towards goodness and deter from evil. So it's important that the law will make people more moral, not the opposite. How will allowing gay marriage be like in the light of such goal for our society? I don't know. When the Supreme Court agreed to hear about gay marriage, it was suggested that children with two moms or two dads don't do worse than children with a mom and a dad. However, long before June 26, three Justices opposed; those suggested studies used biased data, and it's shown that children with homosexual parents are less likely to graduate from high school, and we can't strike down what's been established for thousands of year just because of the movements of the recent five years. Perhaps the US is in clinical trial.

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The way you defined adultery is confusing, it is voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and someone that isn't their spouse. Is two gay people committing adultery? Not really...

I believe we should leave these things with Allah. Let gay people marry, let two adults make their own decisions with their lives. They don't harm us, they are not a threat to society, they are humans.

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youssef4342

I personally support marriage, whether hetero or Same-Sex.
This is because marriage is less lewd than having open multiple relationships.
In marriage you have commitments, it's not as easy to just break a marriage, than it is a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship. You have one partner instead of a hundred.

So for these reasons, I support marriage, whether hetero or same-sex. We cannot force people to believe, nor can we force people to stop doing wrong.

If you hinder people from getting married, then their is no tie between them, and thus there is a higher chance of splitting up, and having multiple partners, and more lewdness would be practiced. A single partner would thus be better.