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    Bender
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    Salam Bender,

    It's okay ... you win.

    I'm not interested in further discussion unless you are able to understand what is "Asma Ul Husna" and a "successor".

    Peace brother.

    Salaamun alayka,

    2 questions if you don't mind

    1. Do you take Wiki and the hadiths of Bukharie & Co as evidence to prove something about Allah?

    2. Did you read the discussion between me and drfazl earlier in this thread about khalifa?

    salaam,
    Bender

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      Salaamun alayka,

      2 questions if you don't mind

      1. Do you take Wiki and the hadiths of Bukharie & Co as evidence to prove something about Allah?

      2. Did you read the discussion between me and drfazl earlier in this thread about khalifa?

      salaam,
      Bender

      Salam Bender,

      I have given you my reference and release my burden of proof.

      Now the question, do you understand what is "Asma Ul Husna"?

      What is your reference to refute the definition?

      Do you mind, are you a born Muslim or converted?

      Secondly, where did I say I refute the whole argument?

      I'm specifically referring to your statement and the issue of "successor" and "who can succeed Allah".

      Peace brother.

      Allah The Just, Al-`Adl (&#1604

      Salaamun alayka,

      Do you have a verse for this statement?

      Not specifically and I'm referring to the asma ul husna.

      As I said, the "asma ul husna"

      It is true, the specific words are not in the Qur'an

      My conclusion is that al3adl is not an Al-Asma Al-Husa.

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        Salam Bender,

        I have given you my reference and release my burden of proof.

        Now the question, do you understand what is "Asma Ul Husna"?

        Salaamun alayka,

        Alhamdullillah, I believe Allah give me enough knowledge to understand what AlAsma AlHusna are.

        What is your reference to refute the definition?

        If you mean to refute the traditional 99 names, then my reference is ofcourse The Quran, what else?

        Do you mind, are you a born Muslim or converted?

        I do not understand what you mean with Muslim? Do you mean born in a sunni/shia country? If so yes I was born in Morocco.

        Secondly, where did I say I refute the whole argument?

        where did I say that you did that? hmm

        I'm specifically referring to your statement and the issue of "successor" and "who can succeed Allah".

        I will give it a last try.

        "Who can succeed Allah?" was a rhetorical question in case you did not understood that.
        My whole point in the discussion with drfazl is that Allah has NO khalifa.
        230 says He will place a successor on earth, NOT His successor nope BUT A successor yes.
        Because 230 and other verses NEVER say MY successor, it is for sure it is not a successor who succeeds Allah, but a successor who succeeds something/one else.
        THUS not related to Allah.

        InshaAllah it is now also clear for you what I meant.

        Peace brother.

        Salaam,
        Bender

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          Salam Bender, handshake

          Alhamdullillah, I believe Allah give me enough knowledge to understand what AlAsma AlHusna are.

          So what is your definition of "Asma Ul Husna", and which is common to all Muslims understandings?

          I've already repeated the same question for many times. nope

          If you mean to refute the traditional 99 names, then my reference is ofcourse The Quran, what else?

          Where did I say I didn't refer to the traditional 99 names?

          Since when Muslims have the "traditional Asma Ul Husna" and "modern Asma Ul Husna"?

          You didn't understand after I repeatedly answer your question below? hmm

          Quote from Bender on August 26, 2013, 082632 AM
          Salaamun alayka,

          Do you have a verse for this statement?

          Quote from muslims on August 26, 2013, 085851 AM
          Not specifically and I'm referring to the asma ul husna.

          Quote from muslims on August 26, 2013, 090639 PM
          As I said, the "asma ul husna"

          Quote from muslims on August 27, 2013, 084844 PM
          It is true, the specific words are not in the Qur'an

          Please give me a reference to your new version of "Asma Ul Husna".

          If so yes I was born in Morocco.

          What does "Asma Ul Husna" referred to in Morocco?

          Is it not the same 99 names of Allah as Muslims understands today?

          "Who can succeed Allah?" was a rhetorical question in case you did not understood that.
          My whole point in the discussion with drfazl is that Allah has NO khalifa.
          230 says He will place a successor on earth, NOT His successor nope BUT A successor yes.
          Because 230 and other verses NEVER say MY successor, it is for sure it is not a successor who succeeds Allah, but a successor who succeeds something/one else.
          THUS not related to Allah.

          It is weird when you are trying to make a point by comparing Allah with or as equal to human. nope

          Secondly, where did I say I refute the whole argument?

          I'm specifically referring to your statement and the issue of "successor" and "who can succeed Allah"

          Do you understand what is a "successor" in (<a href="http//quran.com/2/30">230</a&gt?

          There is no issue who can succeed Allah.

          It is not about who can succeed Allah, it is about succeed those who have come before Adam.

          I believe the word successor is referring to the following facts, They (angels) said, "Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood" (<a href="http//quran.com/2/30">230</a&gt. Thus, Adam (and his descendants) are part of His creation and which succeeds those who have come before them.

          Therefore, what difference does it make to Allah whether it is "a successor" or "My successor"? What's it got to do with to succeed Allah?

          Peace brother.

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            Salam Bender, handshake

            So what is your definition of "Asma Ul Husna",

            Salaamun alayka,

            My definition of AlAsma AlHusna = The Best Identifiers

            In The Quran AlAsma AlHusna is always referring to Allah, for example
            208
            The red word is spoken as "Lahu" and it means something like "To Him belongs". Thus "The Best Identifiers" belong to Him.
            Where can we find AlAsma AlHusna that belong to Him?

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            Allah warns us several times in The Quran that His Guidance is The Guidance (2120).
            The Quran is one of the guidance's Allah sent down on us (2185 in combination with 1037).
            Wikipedia and Bukarie & Co can not be proven from the verses of The Quran that they are a guidance sent by Allah to us, therefore I dismiss them as a reference in any matter when we talk about the truth. In this case we (you and me) are talking about Allah, therefore I am not allowed to say something about Allah which is not from Him. I fear to spread lies about Allah. Allah warrens me through The Quran not to spread lies about Him. Wikipedia and Bukharie & co are not from Allah but The Quran is. Therefore if you like to talk with me about Allah then please use verses from The Quran to proof your point everything else is of no use for me.

            Al3adl does not refer to Allah a single time in The Quran. But it refers to other things besides Allah. So why should I take it an AlAsma AlHusna if it never refers to Allah in the Quran? Is it because Wiki and Bukharie & Co said so?
            Both question are rhetorical questions in case of....

            This is how I understand it, I think I have answered you more then you asked. And inshaAllah it is now clear to you how I understand AlAsma AlHusna.
            If you have a different view on the matter then that is totally ok with me and we will end this discussion as we will never agree handshake

            and which is common to all Muslims understandings?

            I think the 99 names mentioned on this link is common to all Muslims IF you meant with Muslims the sunni/shia/etc. people.

            I've already repeated the same question for many times. nope

            No you did not.
            I can not read your brains so when you ask me something ask me very clear.
            You did not ask me the above questions a single time.

            Where did I say I didn't refer to the traditional 99 names?

            what is this?
            Are we playing a "were did I say that ...?" game?
            You are putting again words in my mouth and then ask me a "were did I say that ...?" question.
            Please stop it.

            Since when Muslims have the "traditional Asma Ul Husna" and "modern Asma Ul Husna"?

            I don't know about other Muslims, I can only talk for myself.

            You didn't understand after I repeatedly answer your question below? hmm

            I have no idea what you are talking about.

            Please give me a reference to your new version of "Asma Ul Husna".

            A couple of weeks ago I made this thread .
            Above the two lines are as per my current understanding AlAsma Alhusna that belong to Him.
            Maybe I forgot some, but that is what I could find till now. If you think I missed one then please let me know with a reference to the Quran verse and I will add it inshaAllah, this is not only for you but for everyone who reads this, thx!!!

            Also this is how I currently understand, if you have a better version then please let me know and I will be inshaAllah the first one to acknowledge if I can comprehend how you or someone else sees it.

            What does "Asma Ul Husna" referred to in Morocco?

            see the wiki link above, I believe the majority of Moroccans believe in the Wiki version.

            Is it not the same 99 names of Allah as Muslims understands today?

            No not how I understand it, Allah showed me a different view.

            It is weird when you are trying to make a point by comparing Allah with or as equal to human. nope

            What are you talking about?
            I do not understand why it is so hard for you to understand what I was saying.

            For everyone who is reading this looooong boring post
            Is there anyone besides "muslims" who understood what I wrote as "comparing Allah with or as equal to human"?

            Therefore, what difference does it make to Allah whether it is "a successor" or "My successor"?

            I already gave you in the post before this my view, but you did not understand what I was saying so I think we have to handshake because repeating what I said will not change anything I guess.

            What's it got to do with to succeed Allah?

            same answer as above, I have nothing to add more.

            Peace brother.

            salaam,
            Bender

            ps if you do not mind this was my last post to you on this thread. If you answer, I will read inshaAllah your post, but you have to excuse me for not replying anymore, I am a little bit tired.

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              Salam Bender,

              It is clear that you know what I'm talking about, but maybe it's just you want to show you are superior than others, without any valid or proper reasons. In fact, I repeatedly told you what I'm referring to.

              Salaamun alayka,
              Do you have a verse for this statement?

              Quote from muslims on August 26, 2013, 085851 AM
              Not specifically and I'm referring to the asma ul husna.

              Quote from muslims on August 26, 2013, 090639 PM
              As I said, the "asma ul husna"

              Quote from muslims on August 27, 2013, 084844 PM
              It is true, the specific words are not in the Qur'an

              and when I asked you ... whether you understand what I means with Asma Ul Husna

              So what is your definition of "Asma Ul Husna", and which is common to all Muslims understandings?

              What does "Asma Ul Husna" referred to in Morocco?

              Is it not the same 99 names of Allah as Muslims understands today?

              here is your answer...

              I think the 99 names mentioned on this link is common to all Muslims IF you meant with Muslims the sunni/shia/etc. people.

              see the wiki link above, I believe the majority of Moroccans believe in the Wiki version.

              It is clear that you just want to be right or want to be superior to others without valid reasons.

              Further, who are discussing your definition of Asma Ul Husna? Did I ask you?

              and where is the word "AlAsma AlHusna" in the following verse?

              Did you really understand what you read?

              My definition of AlAsma AlHusna = The Best Identifiers

              In The Quran AlAsma AlHusna is always referring to Allah, for example
              208
              The red word is spoken as "Lahu" and it means something like "To Him belongs". Thus "The Best Identifiers" belong to Him.

              According to you, Asma Ul Husna is "To Him belongs" or "The Best Identifiers" ? hmm

              "Lahu" is not Allah names, and neither is the "The Best Identifiers".

              This is how I understand it, I think I have answered you more then you asked. And inshaAllah it is now clear to you how I understand AlAsma AlHusna.

              For everyone who is reading this looooong boring post

              handshake

              Peace brother.

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                Salam Bender,

                It is clear that you know what I'm talking about, but maybe it's just you want to show you are superior than others, without any valid or proper reasons. In fact, I repeatedly told you what I'm referring to.

                and when I asked you ... whether you understand what I means with Asma Ul Husna

                here is your answer...

                It is clear that you just want to be right or want to be superior to others without valid reasons.

                Further, who are discussing your definition of Asma Ul Husna? Did I ask you?

                and where is the word "AlAsma AlHusna" in the following verse?

                Did you really understand what you read?

                According to you, Asma Ul Husna is "To Him belongs" or "The Best Identifiers" ? hmm

                "Lahu" is not Allah names.

                Even the "The Best Identifiers" is not Allah names.

                handshake

                Peace brother.

                "AlAsma AlHusna" are the two (2) words after "Lahu". He explained clearly what "Lahu" means and why he highlighted it.

                Also the point about "khalifa" was delivered very clearly, too.

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                  "AlAsma AlHusna" are the two (2) words after "Lahu". He explained clearly what "Lahu" means and why he highlighted it.

                  Also the point about "khalifa" was delivered very clearly, too.

                  Salam,

                  Sorry my mistake, what I meant is the names, Allah's names. "Lahu" and "The Best Identifiers" are not Allah names, neither is AlAsma AlHusna. Further, my reference is to the "Asma Ul Husna" understood by the majority of Muslim, and "The Best Identifiers" is not necessarily specific names, but can also be in general; such as Allah The Just, Al-`Adl (&#1604.

                  Peace brother.

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                    Salam,

                    Sorry my mistake, what I meant is the names, Allah's names. "Lahu" and "The Best Identifiers" are not Allah names, neither is AlAsma AlHusna. Further, my reference is to the "Asma Ul Husna" understood by the majority of Muslim, and "The Best Identifiers" is not necessarily specific names, but can also be in general; such as Allah The Just, Al-`Adl (&#1604.

                    Peace brother.

                    Can you please show a reference from the Quran where God calls himself "Al-`Adl"? This way, Bender can add it to his great list.

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                      Can you please show a reference from the Quran where God calls himself "Al-`Adl"? This way, Bender can add it to his great list.

                      Salam nonplus,

                      You can understand our discussion by clicking on the following links.

                      http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg336345#msg336345

                      Quote from Bender on August 26, 2013, 082632 AM

                      Quote

                      Allah The Just, Al-`Adl (&#1604

                      Salaamun alayka,

                      Do you have a verse for this statement?

                      Quote from muslims on August 26, 2013, 085851 AM
                      Not specifically and I'm referring to the asma ul husna.

                      Quote from muslims on August 26, 2013, 090639 PM
                      As I said, the "asma ul husna"

                      Quote from muslims on August 27, 2013, 084844 PM
                      It is true, the specific words are not in the Qur'an

                      "The Best Identifiers" is not necessarily specific names, but can also be in general; such as Allah The Just, Al-`Adl (&#1604.

                      The root 'a-d-l has the following classical Arabic connotations

                      • to act justly, fairly
                      • to be equitable, impartial
                      • to adjust properly, to make even
                      • to straighten, to rectify, to establish justice
                      • to balance, counterbalance, to make equal, uniform
                      • to turn one away from something, rightly direct
                      • to make comfortable with what is right

                      The One who rectifies and sets matters straight in a fair, impartial and equitable manner.
                      The One who always acts justly.
                      The One who delivers absolute justice.
                      The One whose wisdom of justice is based upon complete knowledge of past, present and future.

                      Peace brother.

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                        The destructive aspect of the fire element.

                        • The importance of Spirituality (water) & Communication/Humanism (Air) Salt water oceans make up 71% of the Earth?s surface. However, it should exceed 71% if it includes the freshwater lakes and glaciers that cover the Earth?s surface. The air is everywhere and takes up space. These indicate the importance of spirituality and communication or humanism in our life.

                        The core of the Earth is fire (religion/God Alone ideas etc.) and relates to the following concept, "Mind our own business" (<a href="http//quran.com/5/105">5105</a&gt. This because if we are giving primary importance to the fire elements, it will burn this whole world down. War and hatred etc., and soon there will be no living creatures on Earth.

                        http//s15.postimg.org/wcikp8hwb/earth_core.jpg
                        http//s24.postimg.org/ebh5sqdth/fire.png

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                          The Common Aspects of Religions

                          http//s13.postimg.org/6hprb216f/religionelement.png

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                            http//s16.postimg.org/cyvakuyx1/deen.png

                            Towards Human Unity

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                            <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335256#msg335256">Main Issue</a>

                            <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335480#msg335480">What is God Alone Religion? </a>

                            <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335690#msg335690">Defintion of Just and Balance (Sunnatullah)</a>

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                            <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg336528#msg336528">The destructive aspect of the fire element.</a>

                            Islam is not a religion (madhab)

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                            <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335823#msg335823">The Quranic Concept of Salvation</a>

                            <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335261#msg335261">Allah will never accept Religion of Islam</a>

                            Examle of Deen <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg336008#msg336008">1</a>, <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335737#msg335737">2</a>, <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335738#msg335738">3</a>, <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335739#msg335739">4</a>, <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335740#msg335740">5</a>, <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335741#msg335741">6</a>, <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335742#msg335742">7</a>.

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                            <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335891#msg335891">Alhamdu</a>

                            <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg336009#msg336009">Allah Alone is no use for our salvation</a>

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                            <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335265#msg335265">Understanding The Quran</a>

                            <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335283#msg335283">Language of the Heart</a>

                            <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335515#msg335515">What is Reality?</a> <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335521#msg335521">(2)</a>, <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335524#msg335524">(3)</a>

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                            <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335950#msg335950">Pleasure</a>

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                            <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335880#msg335880">Towards Human Unity</a>

                            <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335750#msg335750">Unconditional Freedom</a>

                            <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg336189#msg336189">The Flow of Ideas</a>

                            <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg336234#msg336234">Example of Quranic Ideas</a>

                            <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg336219#msg336219">Ideas of Just and Balance</a>

                            <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg336265#msg336265">When Being Wrong Is Right</a>

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                              <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335931#msg335931">The Matrix of Just and Balance For Our Salvation</a>

                              Allah has promised
                              those who have believed among you <- 100% obedience
                              and done righteous deeds <- towards human unity

                              that He will surely grant them succession upon the earth
                              just as He granted it to those before them

                              and that He will surely establish for them their deen
                              which He has preferred for them

                              and that He will surely substitute for them
                              after their fear
                              security

                              they worship Me
                              not associating anything with Me

                              But whoever disbelieves after that
                              then those are the defiantly disobedient
                              (<a href="http//quran.com/24/55">2455</a&gt

                              Ignominy shall be their portion
                              wheresoever they are found

                              save (where they grasp)

                              a rope from Allah <- 100% obedience
                              and
                              a rope from men <- towards human unity
                              (<a href="http//quran.com/3/112">3112</a&gt

                              http//s16.postimg.org/cyvakuyx1/deen.png

                              <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335476#msg335476">negotiator - mediator - conciliator</a>

                              Sponsor two friends..

                              1. Obedience (Qur'an Study Group -> solely for listing and observing the "DO NOT" prohibition)

                              2. Works toward unity or promoting peace and harmony in...

                              -> Family

                              -> Friends

                              -> Customers & Employees (Your Business) or Co-workers -> Treat them as your family.
                              (<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335659#msg335659">Formula for success</a> + <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335472#msg335472">Philosophy of Salat</a&gt

                              • this forum or any other platform or NGO could exist as monitoring to training center etc.

                              • Strictly to promote unity, peace and harmony. Must not involve politics and religious agenda etc.

                              The Theory
                              Towards Human Unity
                              Peace and Harmony

                              http//s22.postimg.org/o70schgb1/deens.png
                              http//s15.postimg.org/5yoklx1vr/down_arrow_icon.png
                              http//s23.postimg.org/6w09q8z63/deenmlm.png
                              http//s15.postimg.org/5yoklx1vr/down_arrow_icon.png
                              http//s8.postimg.org/fa74u23f9/mlm.png
                              http//s15.postimg.org/5yoklx1vr/down_arrow_icon.png
                              Just and Balance
                              Peace & Harmony
                              in the society

                              For example Very Large Scale

                              Level Team
                              1 2
                              2 4
                              3 8
                              4 16
                              5 32
                              6 64
                              7 128
                              8 256
                              9 512
                              10 1,024
                              11 2,048
                              12 4,096
                              13 8,192
                              14 16,384
                              15 32,768
                              16 65,536
                              17 131,072
                              18 262,144
                              19 524,288
                              20 1,048,576
                              21 2,097,152
                              22 4,194,304
                              23 8,388,608
                              24 16,777,216
                              25 33,554,432
                              26 67,108,864
                              27 134,217,728
                              28 268,435,456
                              29 536,870,912
                              30 1,073,741,824
                              31 2,147,483,648
                              32 4,294,967,296
                              33 8,589,934,592
                              34 17,179,869,184
                              35 34,359,738,368
                              36 68,719,476,736
                              37 137,438,953,472
                              38 274,877,906,944
                              39 549,755,813,888
                              40 1,099,511,627,776
                              41 2,199,023,255,552
                              42 4,398,046,511,104
                              43 8,796,093,022,208
                              44 17,592,186,044,416
                              45 35,184,372,088,832
                              46 70,368,744,177,664
                              47 140,737,488,355,328
                              48 281,474,976,710,656
                              49 562,949,953,421,312
                              50 1,125,899,906,842,620

                              How many persons to monitor at level 50?

                              100 persons!

                              You
                              (each will do the same)
                              +-----------+
                              Level 1 -> 1 1
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                              1 1
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                              1 1
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                              1 1
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                              ... ...

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                              Level 50 -> 1 1
                              Total 50 ppls + 50 ppls
                              Total 100 persons

                              Question.. <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335931#msg335931">how to simplify and standardize?</a>

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                                Towards human unity...

                                He has made plain to you <-- What is Islam
                                of the Din (l-dni)
                                what He enjoined upon Nuh
                                and that which We have revealed to you
                                and that which We enjoined upon Ibrahim
                                and Musa
                                and Isa
                                that keep to obedience <- 100% obedience
                                and be not divided therein < towards human unity

                                ... .. . . . .

                                To this then go on inviting <-- Task for Muslims
                                and go on steadfastly <- refer to the above sponsorship program - Duty Awareness
                                on the right way
                                as you are commanded
                                and do not follow their low desires <- don't argue with them, focus on unity, peace and harmony
                                and say What is a Mushrikeen? (<a href="http//quran.com/30/30-32">3030-32</a&gt

                                I believe in what Allah has revealed of the Book
                                and I am commanded to do justice between you <-- role as Mediators and Conciliators
                                Allah is our Lord and your Lord vs. Provoker & create more divisions
                                we shall have our deeds
                                and you shall have your deeds
                                no plea need there be (now) between us and you <- no argument! ignore right/wrong &
                                Allah will gather us together focus on unity, peace and harmony
                                and to Him is the return

                                (<a href="http//quran.com/42/10-16">4210-16</a&gt

                                A Muslim must now learn how to become Negotiator, Mediator and Conciliator. There is no religion and it is not about to spread Islam, since Islam is not a religion. It is about to spread peace, harmony and unity in the society. It's about benefiting humanity, kindness to His creation and giving to relatives. This is how people from different backgrounds and traditions are able to accept Islam by our Prophet Muhammad pbuh. Unconditional acceptance (respect) of world religious practices and balancing what is just to every living creatures. This is "Din of Islam".

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                                  Why the matrix?

                                  The power of leverage.. opt and opm.

                                  Sponsor two friends..

                                  1. Obedience (Qur'an Study Group -> solely for listing and observing the "DO NOT" prohibition)

                                  2. Works toward unity or promoting peace and harmony in...

                                  -> Family

                                  -> Friends

                                  -> Customers & Employees (Your Business) or Co-workers -> Treat them as your family.
                                  (<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335659#msg335659">Formula for success</a> + <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335472#msg335472">Philosophy of Salat</a&gt

                                  • this forum or any other platform or NGO could exist as monitoring to training center etc.

                                  • Strictly to promote unity, peace and harmony. Must not involve politics and religious agenda etc.

                                  http//s23.postimg.org/6w09q8z63/deenmlm.png

                                  bilateral matrix, prostrate to Allah and Adam (<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335753#msg335753">descendants</a&gt...

                                  and

                                  How Allah will multiplies His reward for your effort, time and money spend on your family, friends and customers etc.. to promote unity, peace, harmony, and supporting them emotionally, psychologically, financially, socially and etc.

                                  The example of those who spend their wealth
                                  in the way of Allah
                                  is like a seed <- you
                                  which grows seven spikes <- the above image, 7 persons - first group
                                  in each spike is a hundred grains <- 100 persons straight below you
                                  And Allah multiplies for whom He wills
                                  And Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing.
                                  (<a href="http//quran.com/2/261">2261</a&gt

                                  100 grains

                                  How many persons to monitor at level 50?

                                  100 persons!

                                  Steps - "We Are Family"

                                  1. You -> benefiting your family, friends and your customers/employees/co-workers -> as your family!
                                    (regardless of religion, caste, race, socio-economic background etc .. including non-human - jinn)

                                  2. 7 persons -> 2 (your team) + 5 (sponsor your member to build their team, exemplary leadership)

                                  3. help 100 persons straight below you (to strengthen your foundation)

                                  4. spread... "..Allah multiplies for whom He wills.."

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                                    For you is your deen
                                    (War Zone - <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335480#msg335480">God Alone</a> - Right vs. Wrong)
                                    and
                                    For me is my deen
                                    (Unity - <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335753#msg335753">Prostrate to Adam</a> - All from Allah and "I Submit&quot
                                    (<a href="http//quran.com/109/6">1096</a&gt

                                    http//s23.postimg.org/ifq2vi2rv/warzone.png

                                    Indeed, prayer prohibits immorality and wrongdoing (<a href="http//quran.com/29/45">2945</a&gt

                                    http//s13.postimg.org/f0sag5q85/solat.png

                                    Now, just a philosophical statement... as to the meaning of solat

                                    http//s11.postimg.org/hq4ht9ic3/humanunity.png
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                                    Jihad Salat

                                    And those who believe in Allah and His Messengers
                                    they are the Siddiqun
                                    and the martyrs (syahid) with their Lord
                                    they shall have their reward and their light
                                    But those who disbelieve
                                    and deny Our Ayat (disobedience)
                                    they shall be the dwellers of the blazing Fire
                                    (<a href="http//quran.com/57/19">5719</a&gt

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                                      +salaam brother muslims

                                      All your works are beautiful. Great thoughts behind them. And more than most I see a very sincere man who loves ALLAAH. Again, I enjoy reading all your work. You have great skill in setting out knowledge. I can learn a lot from you in this regard. Thank you for sharing them.

                                      +salaam
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                                        +salaam brother muslims

                                        All your works are beautiful. Great thoughts behind them. And more than most I see a very sincere man who loves ALLAAH. Again, I enjoy reading all your work. You have great skill in setting out knowledge. I can learn a lot from you in this regard. Thank you for sharing them.

                                        +salaam
                                        al-amiyr

                                        +salaam brother al-amiyr

                                        Thank you and you are also a great thinker and I'm learning a lot from you. We do our best to "Salat".

                                        +salaam
                                        muslims

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                                          +salaam brother al-amiyr

                                          Thank you and you are also a great thinker and I'm learning a lot from you. We do our best to "Salat".

                                          +salaam
                                          muslims

                                          +salaam+ brother muslims

                                          As you said that you learn -good and bad- so have I in all my life. I have denied myself the investigation of no information-good and bad. Also I have always changed my views for the better in the presence of valid arguments. I have also always loved debate and have always presented my arguments for solid criticism so that I could learn how to improve it for the better. I have no doubt in my mind that ALLAAH has a plan for you which will become manifest to you when the time is right inshaa ALLAAH. Continue on your journey to seek all knowledge! Justly balanced!

                                          +salaam
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