So not to fight them unless they fight you first in the presence of masjid alhar
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Actually, someone brought this up in another topic
keeping in mind there can be some mistranslations.
2191
...and do not fight them in the presence of al masjid al haram until they fight you fee/in it...So if the order already exists and applies everywhere all the time, then why attatch it to a place if it is a place?
Or Is Al Masjid Al Haram not a physical masjid at all but something that can happen anywhere and everywhere ?
Example
Why would A Government say"no fighting in school"
When that is a common law throughout the land.
It is "no fighting" full stop.
Can anybody explain this?
Thanks.
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Don't forget to mention the original thread
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605745.0Wherein you said
God Doesn't tell anyone don't fight in a masjid, He simply says don't fight full stop (accept in war) .
Then I pointed out 2191 hence you created this thread to find out what is going on, and ask questions like
So if the order already exists and applies everywhere all the time, then why attatch it to a place if it is a place?
Or Is Al Masjid Al Haram not a physical masjid at all but something that can happen anywhere and everywhere ?
Can anybody explain this?
Perhaps you can let us know what you have come up with by way of possible explanations, if any.
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What are quranic masjids? Masaajid accurs in 2114 below, after we get example after example (i think)
unjust
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And remember We took your covenant and We raised above you (the towering height) of Mount (Sinai) (Saying) "Hold firmly to what We have given you, and hearken (to the Law)" They said" We hear, and we disobey" And they had to drink into their hearts (of the taint) of the calf because of their Faithlessness. Say "Vile indeed are the behests of your Faith if ye have any faith!"unjust
2100
Is it not (the case) that every time they make a covenant, some party among them throw it aside?- Nay, Most of them are faithless.unjust
2101
And when there came to them a messenger from Allah, confirming what was with them, a party of the people of the Book threw away the Book of Allah behind their backs, as if (it had been something) they did not know!unjust
2102
They followed what the evil ones gave out (falsely) against the power of Solomon the blasphemers Were, not Solomon, but the evil ones, teaching men Magic, and such things as came down at babylon to the angels Harut and Marut. But neither of these taught anyone (Such things) without saying "We are only for trial; so do not blaspheme." They learned from them the means to sow discord between man and wife. But they could not thus harm anyone except by Allah's permission. And they learned what harmed them, not what profited them. And they knew that the buyers of (magic) would have no share in the happiness of the Hereafter. And vile was the price for which they did sell their souls, if they but knew!unjust
2108
Would ye question your Messenger as Moses was questioned of old? but whoever changeth from Faith to Unbelief, Hath strayed without doubt from the even way.unjust
1109
Quite a number of the People of the Book wish they could Turn you (people) back to infidelity after ye have believed, from selfish envy, after the Truth hath become Manifest unto them But forgive and overlook, Till Allah accomplish His purpose; for Allah Hath power over all things.unjust
2112
Nay,-whoever submits His whole self to Allah and is a doer of good,- He will get his reward with his Lord; on such shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.All the above are now encapsulated in this one ayah.
2114
And who is more unjust than he who forbids Msaajid of Allah, Allah's name/SAMAA should be celebrated?-whose zeal is (in fact) to ruin them? It was not fitting that such should themselves enter them except in fear. For them there is nothing but disgrace in this world, and in the world to come, an exceeding torment.The sura is full of examples where some people are unjust and try to bring down what we are told to uphold.
Going opposite to the samaa of Allah, will always cause discord and strife for people.
If I cause discord between a husband and wife then you can be sure I will create fear in my own marriage aswellSamaa - Lying instead of truthfulness ????e.t.c
But we can all follow what to us is right as we will ultimately pay. peace
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Actually, someone brought this up in another topic
keeping in mind there can be some mistranslations.
So if the order already exists and applies everywhere all the time, then why attatch it to a place if it is a place?Or Is Al Masjid Al Haram not a physical masjid at all but something that can happen anywhere and everywhere ?
Example
Why would A Government say"no fighting in school"
When that is a common law throughout the land.
It is "no fighting" full stop.
Can anybody explain this?
Thanks.
This is part of the Quranic command regarding the permissibility to fight. It always should be defensive war. The location you mentioned has some restriction in terms of fighting and hunting so the Quran gave emphasis on that since its a place of worship and pilgrimage. We are always allowed to defend ourselves.
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This is part of the Quranic command regarding the permissibility to fight. It always should be defensive war. The location you mentioned has some restriction in terms of fighting and hunting so the Quran gave emphasis on that since its a place of worship and pilgrimage. We are always allowed to defend ourselves.
We are always allowed to defend ourselves
We are always allowed to defend our selves, irrespective of place , aren't we? yes
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We are always allowed to defend our selves, irrespective of place , aren't we? yes
Yes as far as my understanding of Quran. However the Masjid Al Haram has some restrictions the Quran says so when the believers were engaged in fighting with pagans the Quran tried to tell the believers to avoid battles in and around Masjid Al Haram area unless forced.
But yes even here the Quran said that if the pagans do not respect the sanctity of a place of worship and fight you there than fight them back.
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Yes as far as my understanding of Quran. However the Masjid Al Haram has some restrictions the Quran says so when the believers were engaged in fighting with pagans the Quran tried to tell the believers to avoid battles in and around Masjid Al Haram area unless forced.
But yes even here the Quran said that if the pagans do not respect the sanctity of a place of worship and fight you there than fight them back.
evil intent , evil actions , evil goings on , evil extreme - (al-masjid al haram ) always require us to stand our ground . The biggest example was what was happening to the jews and Moses was taken from that evil place , from al-masjid al haram to al masjid alaqsa (Extreme actions of Qisaas), to a state of demanding justice for the jewish people.
Evil doers are to be prevented from causing havoc (prevented from al masjid al haram)
The Americans think President Asad used chemical weapons on his own people , Now the Americans are using their means to stop Asad - deterring him from Masjid Al Haram.
No doubt if they can't deter him from the masjid al haram them the american will also come to sought him out.
Sorry that is just my understanding. Thanks.
peace
We are all free to choose to believe what we want.
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to the jews and Moses was taken from that evil place , from al-masjid al haram to al masjid alaqsa (Extreme actions of Qisaas), to a state of demanding justice for the jewish people.
Oh dear.
Do you realise aqsa and qisas are different roots?
Can you tell the forum how many times you have mistaken roots when making comments about Quran?
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Oh dear.
Do you realise aqsa and qisas are different roots?
Can you tell the forum how many times you have mistaken roots when making comments about Quran?
I wasn't talking about any roots , but giving a vague picture of an example.
Moses's story is a good example Almasjid Alharam to Almasjid Alaqsa - going from haram goings on to stand for the right cause is blessed indeed.
You are supposed to deter/prevent people committing evil deeds and even fight them if they then attack you.
It happens all over the world.
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