You shall beat your wife
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Dont you ever put something in my mouth that i haven't said you are ignorant what the hell a child have to do with a grown women a women isnt a child and isnt a property of no one but allah and i answered your question a women mentality is different from a child mentality but you didnt answer my question would you like someone to hit your mother whether it be your father or another man
A child is still a human being like a woman.
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You'll never understand.... A child indeed is a human like you and i but the mentality is different. Quit dodging my question and answer it would you like a men whether it be your father or another man put there hands on your MOTHER the women who carried you for 9 months never left your side loved you and was there for you when you were sick and when you didn't know anything that same mother that cooked food for you and hugged you .... now would you let a man hit her think deep about it is your own mother
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You'll never understand.... A child indeed is a human like you and i but the mentality is different. Quit dodging my question and answer it would you like a men whether it be your father or another man put there hands on your MOTHER the women who carried you for 9 months never left your side loved you and was there for you when you were sick and when you didn't know anything that same mother that cooked food for you and hugged you .... now would you let a man hit her think deep about it is your own mother
Nobody wants anyone to lay hands on their mother, but this is the husband's right when necessary as mentioned in Quran (Surah 434). So either you accept the Quran or stop calling yourself a Muslim.
It hurts a father and mother very much to spank their child, but they do it out of love to correct the child so that he or she grows up to be a good person. Hitting wife should be understood in the same way.
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434 The men are to support the women by what God has gifted them over one another and for what they spend of their money. The reformed women are devotees and protectors of privacy what God has protected. As for those women from whom you fear disloyalty, then you shall advise them, abandon them in the bedchamber, and separate them; if they obey you, then do not seek a way over them; God is High, Great.
Where does it says beat your wife where where where if you want to think that go ahead you can foul those who are uneducated but you cant foul those who are educated dont you blame on Allah saying he said this in the quran don't you blame my lord dont you how dare you... You would want someone to put there hand on your mother wow that's pretty messed up stop bring the whole child thing like i said child mentality is different from adults
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then you shall advise them, abandon them in the bedchamber, and separate them
Your translation is not only wrong, it sounds ridiculous and redundant
"abandon them" and then "separate them". Abandon and separate means the same thing! It's totally redundant.
Just to prove your idea you are changing the meaning of the Holy Quran.
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WOW why do you play this childish games you aren't a real men yes im questioning your manhood you came from a women and you shall not put your hands on a women that what my Mother taught me and i live by that a women is a queen not a punching bag
Translations
Edip-Layth The men are to support the women by what God has gifted them over one another and for what they spend of their money. The reformed women are devotees and protectors of privacy what God has protected. As for those women from whom you fear disloyalty, then you shall advise them, abandon them in the bedchamber, and separate them; if they obey you, then do not seek a way over them; God is High, Great.
Sher Ali Men are guardians over women because ALLAH has made some of them excel others, and because men spend on them of their wealth. So virtuous women are obedient, and guard the secrets of their husbands with ALLAH's protection. And as for those on whose part you fear disobedience, admonish them and keep away from them in their beds and chastise them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Surely, ALLAH is High and Great.
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Sher Ali Men are guardians over women because ALLAH has made some of them excel others, and because men spend on them of their wealth. So virtuous women are obedient, and guard the secrets of their husbands with ALLAH's protection. And as for those on whose part you fear disobedience, admonish them and keep away from them in their beds and chastise them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Surely, ALLAH is High and Great.
And what do you think chastise means, genius?
http//dictionary.reference.com/browse/chastise?s=t
to discipline, especially by corporal punishment.
Synonyms
- punish, castigate; whip, beat, flog, spank.
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Your Wrong
http//docupub.com/docs/a48e696e-d758-4b71-a68b-17ff2b697d04/capture-20130914-030117.pdf
that's the the meaning not your meaning is just dumb
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Silly, arrogant males, delight in deluding themselves that God has some exclusive special relationship with men that He does not have with women, and find a real toy in extracting from the Qur?an the most irrational contradictory and filthy meanings they possibly can, and then say things like Israfeel whom aI think a
troll has written.Who do they think themselve sto be to act as intermediaries between God and women? How nuts must be a person to reach such a delirious conclusion. Aren't they ashamed before God of thinking of themselves higher than their own mothers? Do they not remember 4.1 where it is said Ittaqw Allah... wa al arHam. Ittaqw al arHam does it lead to beat the women?
How far and how idiot can a person become to go so far from the real life and from thruth.
Arrogance closes the doors of Paradise. Refrain from teaching lessons to your mothers and the mothers of others, refrain from that or you will be paying dearly for not reverencing God and reverencing the arham. You are no better than women and when you get so proud in fact you become worse than the last filthy creature on earth, just like iblees, why should he bow to humans?
Only people who do not believe really in the life to come can blabber such idiocy and pretend that it be taken seriously.
The aya 4.34 is addressed to one group the believers and it addresses them in the second person plural, then it speaks about the males, it uses third person masculine plural and about the women, third person feminine plural. When it says advise, leave them alone and idribuhunna, it is addressing the comunity of believers, not the males, it is using second person inclusive plural, oh you who believe. It is not addressing neither the males, third person, masculine plural, nor the females, third person feminine plural.
The Qur'an is wise and clear, but the muddled minds of the arrogant in need of some lesser persons to kick around are delirious and imagine a God measured to their own whims and imaginations.
Salaam
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Silly, arrogant males, delight in deluding themselves that God has some exclusive special relationship with men that He does not have with women, and find a real toy in extracting from the Qur?an the most irrational contradictory and filthy meanings they possibly can, and then say things like Israfeel whom aI think a
troll has written.Who do they think themselve sto be to act as intermediaries between God and women? How nuts must be a person to reach such a delirious conclusion. Aren't they ashamed before God of thinking of themselves higher than their own mothers? Do they not remember 4.1 where it is said Ittaqw Allah... wa al arHam. Ittaqw al arHam does it lead to beat the women?
How far and how idiot can a person become to go so far from the real life and from thruth.
Arrogance closes the doors of Paradise. Refrain from teaching lessons to your mothers and the mothers of others, refrain from that or you will be paying dearly for not reverencing God and reverencing the arham. You are no better than women and when you get so proud in fact you become worse than the last filthy creature on earth, just like iblees, why should he bow to humans?
Only people who do not believe really in the life to come can blabber such idiocy and pretend that it be taken seriously.
The aya 4.34 is addressed to one group the believers and it addresses them in the second person plural, then it speaks about the males, it uses third person masculine plural and about the women, third person feminine plural. When it says advise, leave them alone and idribuhunna, it is addressing the comunity of believers, not the males, it is using second person inclusive plural, oh you who believe. It is not addressing neither the males, third person, masculine plural, nor the females, third person feminine plural.
The Qur'an is wise and clear, but the muddled minds of the arrogant in need of some lesser persons to kick around are delirious and imagine a God measured to their own whims and imaginations.
Salaam
Thank You
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Your translation is not only wrong, it sounds ridiculous and redundant
"abandon them" and then "separate them". Abandon and separate means the same thing! It's totally redundant.
Just to prove your idea you are changing the meaning of the Holy Quran.
Israfeel, THE SECOND STEP in 434 is only to ABANDON from BEDCHAMBER / ROOM.
And the 3rd step is to separate COMPLETELY.Abandon in bedchambers and separating totally are two different things.
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If parents spanking their children is not a crime (spanking out of love to discipline the children), then how is husband physically disciplining his wife a crime??
You called this filth 'discipline'?
http//ronewzakcleveland.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/man-beat-wife.pngWhere are your sense of humanity and justice gone?
You only come here to spread hatred against peaceful people. You only come here to spread violent teaching.
People like you are saddening.
You don't like the peace that Lord promotes. You support violence against wife.
Hey do you know Ali Sina? He left Islam because of violent people like you, he now mocks, laughs and ridicules islam because of people like you and whenever people insult islam, people like you get mad?You consider the hierarchy of husband and wife is the same as hierarchy of parents and children?
Are you out of your mind? Where is your sanity?
This teaching has no basis in Qur'an but you can find this in the Bible.One of your fellow Salafi brethren, Sheikh Muhammad Salih al-Munajid even supported child marriage and said that even little kids at the age of 6 are allowed to be FORCED to get married.
If Islam supported wife-beating , I would have left Islam.
But thank God for showing me the true path.
I am blessed by the courage that God has given me and I am blessed by knowledgeable truth-seekers such as Wakas, Pazuzu, Edip Y?ksel, Farouk Peru, Aidid Safar, G.A. Parwez, mmkhan etc. -
Israfeel, THE SECOND STEP in 434 is only to ABANDON from BEDCHAMBER / ROOM.
And the 3rd step is to separate COMPLETELY.Abandon in bedchambers and separating totally are two different things.
Separate totally means divorce. Why didn't the verse just simply say "and divorce them"??
Why are you playing around with the Quran. The word clearly is "beat them", but because you don't like what the Quran says you decide to change it!! Who gave you the authority to change the Words of Allah?
If you don't like what the Quran says then leave Islam, but how dare you change the Quran to suit your desires?
And looking at the context of the verse "but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance) For Allah is Most High, great (above you all)." The ending of the verse says that if the woman repents and stops misbehaving, then the husband should not seeks any means against her which have already been listed.
Now if a husband has "completely separated" from his wife, how is she suppose to repent and how can he take her back? Makes no sense. According to the Quran, a husband cannot take back his wife once he has separated from her
So if a husband divorces his wife (irrevocably), He cannot, after that, re-marry her until after she has married another husband and He has divorced her (Surah 2230)
See when you play around with the Quran you will create so many contradictions and problems. That's why you shouldn't play around with the words of the Quran and change their meaning to suit your agenda.
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That picture you posted is not what Islam means when it says you can discipline your wife when she is misbehaving. That is going to the extreme. According to the Hadith, the Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam absolutely prohibited to hit anyone on the face.
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That picture you posted is not what Islam means when it says you can discipline your wife when she is misbehaving. That is going to the extreme. According to the Hadith, the Prophet sallallahu alaihe wasallam absolutely prohibited to hit anyone on the face.
Can you break their legs? Arms? Collar-bone? "Beat them" to the point of miscarriage-as long as you don't hit their beautiful, angelic faces, of course?
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Of course not.
Beating should not leave any injury. It is a mild beating.
Oh wow, that sounds like fun! yay
"Beating someone" would cause an injury. Perhaps you need to improve your English. In what sort of a respectful relationship, does a man think he can hit a woman, or a woman think she should hit a man. Unless it's consensual BDSM, of course, which I completely understand-but yeah, let's see how many women want to marry you when you tell them you're going to beat them for not cooking you dinner and not supplying you with sex on demand.
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Oh wow, that sounds like fun! yay
"Beating someone" would cause an injury. Perhaps you need to improve your English. In what sort of a respectful relationship, does a man think he can hit a woman, or a woman think she should hit a man. Unless it's consensual BDSM, of course, which I completely understand-but yeah, let's see how many women want to marry you when you tell them you're going to beat them for not cooking you dinner and not supplying you with sex on demand.
Madame, I teach English.
A mild beating means to strike or smack someone, but not to the degree that it will leave a permanent mark or cause serious injury.
Now if anyone takes exception to the Quranic ordinance permitting a man to beat his wife, will you also condemn loving parents who spank their children when they misbehave? The principle is identical.
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Madame, I teach English.
A mild beating means to strike or smack someone, but not to the degree that it will leave a permanent mark or cause serious injury.
Now if anyone takes exception to the Quranic ordinance permitting a man to beat his wife, will you also condemn loving parents who spank their children when they misbehave? The principle is identical.
You teach English? I'm not remotely convinced. English isn't my first language-it's my fourth, yet, even I can see that your understanding of the adjective, "to beat" is deeply flawed so that it meets your interpretation.
You think it's acceptable to hit children? Are you kidding me?!
Animals hit other animals because they can't get their point across. Now, the assumption that homo sapiens (Sorry! I bet you don't like "homos" either!) are a much more intelligent species may be too optimistic. However, when you go around advocating abuse against a much weaker party, do you really think this is a righteous manner of conduct.