Salat According to the Quran and a Critical Remark
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Thank you so very much @Nazzam!
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Both posts are simply excellent!
Let me be allowed to say that I agree completely to every word of it!
All things mentioned, apart from those related to Salat, are important and correct!
I wish people would pay attention to many messages contained there in, including the ones about the discussions, forums, and piles of opinions by everybody and anybody without any structure or methodology.Regarding the Salat, what you wrote is finally the most concise, compete and sound explanation I've ever read, and the one I was waiting for for so long!
May God reward you abundantly for posting it!
I would like to suggest that you send me via PM, or post here, the Dutch version of the long article, so that I might read it through "Google Translate", since I am a bit impatient to wait for the English translation.
However, what you wrote here as a concise summary, is of golden value to me, and I'd just like to read the elaboration of the reasoning behind the conclusion that there are just three and not five daily prayers.
Thank you again and all the best for your research!
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Hi mister submitter
Thank u!
I know, it is the best ever written text on this subject, perhaps since Mutawakkil's purging of the Bayt al Hikmah and later on, the burning of the library of Rey 1000 years ago LOL.
Its impossible I am the only one with these conclusions though, since the quran existed all these years, people MUST have seen the same.
I was disappointed to hear Aisha Musa said on a recording on youtube that as far as she could find, the subject of salat was unclear since the times of al Shafi'i, which I do not agree with.
I have stumbled on an Ismailite text about salat, which shows virtually the same structure, but very seriously and heavily corrupted content, so corrupted, you get sick.
The only difference in appearance was that they pray 2 'prayer-units' (rak3aat), cause they misunderstood the verse about 'shortening' the prayer.
As for the content, it is pure shirk. Sunni prayer looks sacred in comparison.
The implications are important in historical context; its a definite proof that rational methodology leads to the same or very similar conclusions when dealing with information units (data), cause of its universal (logical) nature.
Believe me, my research is extensive, and I found it strange it was even necessary. Reading the quran is really sufficient, everyone can induce it.
Btw, I found other people who I have never met before, who came to almost the same conclusion ^^
The aspects they had wrong, was due to their lack of knowledge of Arabic.
But ok... as for me sending u the article by pm...
I will translate it first ok?
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Thank you for your kind answer, looking very much forward to your article.
God bless
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Hi mister submitter
Thank u!
I know, it is the best ever written text on this subject, perhaps since Mutawakkil's purging of the Bayt al Hikmah and later on, the burning of the library of Rey 1000 years ago LOL.
I will translate it first ok?
Salam Nazzam,
Sounds good but .....until you translate and post it here no comment.
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Salaam Nazzam
Your thread is good, but I will give some corrections.
- Salat is prescribed to be done 3 times per day (morning, evening, and night).
Not three but two.
2238 Maintain the contact prayers; and the middle contact prayer (as salaat al wustha) ; and stand for God dutifully.
Wustha literally means "middle" in english and it refer to position not time, unless you follow Hadith Tirmidzy's advice.
Recommended thread for discussing wustha http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604117.0Salat exists out of 3 physical postures; qiyam (standing), ruku3 (bowing), sujud (kneeling down) which are implemented 4 times qiyam-ruku-qiyam-sujud.
Ruku' is not part of salat's movement.There are many verses which indicated if ruku' is separate things from salat.
243 And hold the contact prayer (salat), and contribute towards purification, and ruku' with those who ruku'.
See, the word salat and ruku' written separate each other.And another verse is 343.Ruku' literally means bowed, bent, incline, humility, humble yourself, lower the head.
So what is ruku' in the Quran??
343 ?O Mary, be dutiful to your Lord and prostrate and kneel (ruku' with those who kneel (ruku'.?
The commandment for ruku' already given by God to Maryam, but there is no historical tracks which said if people before revelation of the Quran already did ruku' like Sunni and Shia Muslim.
So what's the meaning of ruku' in the Quran is "humble" not physical movement unless you follow ahadith advice.
Peace
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The plural in Arabic is always for three and more. Not two.
You misunderstood me
Nazzam said Salat is prescribed to be done 3 times per day (morning, evening, and night).
I respond Not three but two.And yes you're true if plural (jamak) in Arabic is for three or more and the dual things called isim mutsanna ( )
Peace
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Salaam Nazzam
Your thread is good, but I will give some corrections.
Not three but two.
2238 Maintain the contact prayers; and the middle contact prayer (as salaat al wustha) ; and stand for God dutifully.
Wustha literally means "middle" in english and it refer to position not time, unless you follow Hadith Tirmidzy's advice.
Recommended thread for discussing wustha http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604117.0Ruku' is not part of salat's movement.There are many verses which indicated if ruku' is separate things from salat.
243 And hold the contact prayer (salat), and contribute towards purification, and ruku' with those who ruku'.
See, the word salat and ruku' written separate each other.And another verse is 343.Ruku' literally means bowed, bent, incline, humility, humble yourself, lower the head.
So what is ruku' in the Quran??
343 ?O Mary, be dutiful to your Lord and prostrate and kneel (ruku' with those who kneel (ruku'.?
The commandment for ruku' already given by God to Maryam, but there is no historical tracks which said if people before revelation of the Quran already did ruku' like Sunni and Shia Muslim.
So what's the meaning of ruku' in the Quran is "humble" not physical movement unless you follow ahadith advice.
Peace
Salam
I am sorry to say, but you lack the competence to discuss this subject. I deduce this from your clear lack of knowledge of the Arabic language and pre-islamic Middle Eastern history.
There are 3 prayers, this is very clear. Wusta does mean middle, indeed it refers to a position and not a time. Following 11114, this middle prayer is nothing else but the prayer of the second end of the day. The first one is the first end, the second is the second end, and the third is in the part of the night.
The middle is the evening prayer; which is the same prayer which is mistaken for the friday prayer at sabbath eve.
Ruku3 is part of salats movement, as is confirmed by
- Logics (from qiyam to sujud, while moving back and forth, or 'taqallub'
- 26217-219
Yes, there are enough pre-islamic sources which talk about ruku3 (abundant even among Jews, christians, manichaens, Zoroastrians, pagan Greeks and Romans, Babylonians, Assyrians, Hittites, and Egyptians, even Hindu's) but this isnt relevant. The quran is relevant.
You think 'bowing down' in front of a deity, before completely prostrating is something unique to 13th century sunnism?
Humbleness is khushu3, not ruku3. Raka3a is an anatomical term. I am terribly sorry, but your assertions and implicating that it is 'following hadith advice', are nonsensical and fallacious.
And you havent seen the article yet )
I have studied classical Arabic, not from traditionalists, not from traditionalist literature, but from academic sources. I was introduced very thoroughly into argumentation theory and logics, and I am well aware of academic criteria.
I also have studied Hebrew and Syriac, and I know how to utilize these (and even other means) to conduct a comparative analysis to research semitic etymology.
I am not just 'sharing my thoughts' here on this subject, I am lifting up the tip of the veil of what I have fairly easily and clearly concluded in an article.
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You misunderstood me
Nazzam said Salat is prescribed to be done 3 times per day (morning, evening, and night).
I respond Not three but two.And yes you're true if plural (jamak) in Arabic is for three or more and the dual things called isim mutsanna ( )
Peace
Salawaat is the plural and not the dual form, so salawaat must mean 'more than two prayers'. The section 'and the middle prayer', is in the state of the 'subordinate clause' ( ص and is subject to the plural of salawaat. That is, it is part of salawaat by being its middle one.
Other examples of this grammatical state, u can find in
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Whoever is an enemy to Allah and His angels and His messengers and Gabriel and Michael - then indeed, Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers.
Gabriel and Michael, are part of His angels and messengers.
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And, when We took from the prophets their covenant and from you and from Noah and Abraham and Moses and Jesus, the son of Mary; and We took from them a solemn covenant.
You (Muhammad), Noah, Abraham, Moses and Jesus, are all part of the prophets.
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In both of them are fruit and palm trees and pomegranates.
Pomegranates are fruit too.
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My Lord, forgive me and my parents and whoever enters my house as a believer and the believing men and believing women. And do not increase the wrongdoers except in destruction."
Me, my parents, and whoever enters my house as a believer, are part of the believing men and believing women.
Examples in English
Count all the eggs, and the big ones.
Buy all the gold, and the coins.
Call all customers, and the debtors.
Finish your plate, and the vegetables.
Don't forget what I told you, and emphasized.
As for your link, I will not waste my time on the brabbling of incompetent people with all respect. In this topic, I already explained why in a lengthy text.
The only discussions which are worthy my consideration and time, are those I have with fellow colleagues and professors who are demonstrably competent in these area's.
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Salaam,
Ad hominem? Well, lots of what you have written is one big "ad hominem" in that case. I said a general statement, so it seems that you understood where I was aiming. Is not calling people ignorant and lots of other things "ad hominem too?
Depending on how you see it, it can be related to the subject. For example, no 'salat' will help tbe arrogant in the society.
Emotional packaging? It was an observation and I suppose it could be not just me making it. I have lived long enough to recognize arrogance when I see it. Do you know what arrogance is?
Some expressions you made carried clear and utter arrogance. You saw yourself clearly superior to others and this is what the word suggests.
It is relatively easy to consider things as ad hominem instead of criticism and warnings about a terrible destiny. It was a frank statement, but often better to say it than being quiet. If you will not pay heed then it is your choice, but you heard it here in a decently friendly manner.
The term "ad hominem" is so misused to include when you criticize someone's works too. Every little thing is "ad hominem" to a lot of people.
Your opinions and claimed knowledge is presented in such a way it can be seen as dogmatic and zealous together with superiority. Have you considered that some lesser beings may actually be right about some things despite lacking projected knowledge?
You may be right. Why do I engage in this dialog? I could have just ignored it too. I suppose that your knowledge and skill is drowning in arrogance and I see it as a waste of some positive traits. Maybe I should have written a private message, but now this was the way.
Thanks for some of your philosophical works. It could be useful for further research about God's religion although I did not agree with everything. Despite arrogance there are some good additions to the topic that you have.
God bless you
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Salaam
There are 3 prayers, this is very clear. Wusta does mean middle, indeed it refers to a position and not a time. Following 11114, this middle prayer is nothing else but the prayer of the second end of the day. The first one is the first end, the second is the second end, and the third is in the part of the night
REDYou said yourself if wustha means position not about time.Then what is the proof if middle player means that your blue statement.
Ruku3 is part of salats movement, as is confirmed by
- Logics (from qiyam to sujud, while moving back and forth, or 'taqallub'
- 26217-219
RED?!??!?!?!?!
Humbleness is khushu3, not ruku3. Raka3a is an anatomical term. I am terribly sorry, but your assertions and implicating that it is 'following hadith advice', are nonsensical and fallacious.
Ruku' = humble is not actually my own research, it's Waka's and you can reading it in http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-of-SuJuD-from-Quran.html.
Humble in arabic = , , , , , , , for fa'al, , for isim.
There are many word in Arabic who have meanings devout, humbleness in english
One of it is
This word has similiar meanding with khudu', but khudu' is used for physicall movement , but khusyu' is more on "expression.
(Read Mu?jamu Maqasiyisi al-Lughah II/152, Bashairu Dzawi At-Tamyiz II/541-543, Tafsir Al-Baghwi III/301, Tafsir Abi As-Su?ud VI/123 dan Fathul Bari II/225)What I mean ruku'=humble is there is some possiblilities if ruku' is kinda a expression rather than physiccal movement.
Salawaat is the plural and not the dual form, so salawaat must mean 'more than two prayers'. The section 'and the middle prayer', is in the state of the 'subordinate clause' ( ص and is subject to the plural of salawaat. That is, it is part of salawaat by being its middle one.
Other examples of this grammatical state, u can find in
298
Whoever is an enemy to Allah and His angels and His messengers and Gabriel and Michael - then indeed, Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers.
Gabriel and Michael, are part of His angels and messengers.
337
And, when We took from the prophets their covenant and from you and from Noah and Abraham and Moses and Jesus, the son of Mary; and We took from them a solemn covenant.
You (Muhammad), Noah, Abraham, Moses and Jesus, are all part of the prophets.
5568
In both of them are fruit and palm trees and pomegranates.
Pomegranates are fruit too.
7128
My Lord, forgive me and my parents and whoever enters my house as a believer and the believing men and believing women. And do not increase the wrongdoers except in destruction."
Me, my parents, and whoever enters my house as a believer, are part of the believing men and believing women.
Examples in English
Count all the eggs, and the big ones.
Buy all the gold, and the coins.
Call all customers, and the debtors.
Finish your plate, and the vegetables.
Don't forget what I told you, and emphasized.
As for your link, I will not waste my time on the brabbling of incompetent people with all respect. In this topic, I already explained why in a lengthy text.
The only discussions which are worthy my consideration and time, are those I have with fellow colleagues and professors who are demonstrably competent in these area's.
First I never said if salawat is dual.Please read someone post without anykind of emotion, my brother.And I already know this dual and plural things before I ever meet you in here.
It's depend you categorize salat.If you refers to time protocal, I only said two, not three, because there is no historical track of Arabs at pre-hadith time who using "wustha" for mentions time.Until now only Hadith Tirmidzy I found which used term "wustha" for referring time of salat (Ashr)
But I also categorize salat by it's form and varieties, there are obligatory salat (two according to me,three according to you), congregational salat (629) and funeral prayer (984).So that's why Quran used plural "salawati".
Do you think I'm just a newborn baby.I'm also study in university level and also have colleagues and professors arounds me, but the diffference from you is what I study in university is not Islam and Arabic instead about economic development and politics.
Peace
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Salaam,
Ad hominem? Well, lots of what you have written is one big "ad hominem" in that case. I said a general statement, so it seems that you understood where I was aiming. Is not calling people ignorant and lots of other things "ad hominem too?
Depending on how you see it, it can be related to the subject. For example, no 'salat' will help tbe arrogant in the society.
Emotional packaging? It was an observation and I suppose it could be not just me making it. I have lived long enough to recognize arrogance when I see it. Do you know what arrogance is?
Some expressions you made carried clear and utter arrogance. You saw yourself clearly superior to others and this is what the word suggests.
It is relatively easy to consider things as ad hominem instead of criticism and warnings about a terrible destiny. It was a frank statement, but often better to say it than being quiet. If you will not pay heed then it is your choice, but you heard it here in a decently friendly manner.
The term "ad hominem" is so misused to include when you criticize someone's works too. Every little thing is "ad hominem" to a lot of people.
Your opinions and claimed knowledge is presented in such a way it can be seen as dogmatic and zealous together with superiority. Have you considered that some lesser beings may actually be right about some things despite lacking projected knowledge?
You may be right. Why do I engage in this dialog? I could have just ignored it too. I suppose that your knowledge and skill is drowning in arrogance and I see it as a waste of some positive traits. Maybe I should have written a private message, but now this was the way.
Thanks for some of your philosophical works. It could be useful for further research about God's religion although I did not agree with everything. Despite arrogance there are some good additions to the topic that you have.
God bless you
Peace Man of Faith.
Thanks your post is very good reminder especially to that scholar named Nazzam and also for us.
Nazam may is an expert Arabic scholar, but by looking his attitude for look down and mocking another members, it's indicate if he's lack o of adab.The good scholar/academicians is not enough for mastering theory and books only, but they also must capable to implemented it in real life.We must balancing our hard skill (theory) with soft skill (action, implementation).
The example is this Nazzam, if he claim as a Semitic and Scripture expert, then he must understand if insulting another people is forbidden according to many Scriptures.
But in the fact, he just only theory by ready his posts in here.Yes, discussion is not about knowledge competition, but how we must correcting and share arguments each other so this can finish the subject of the discussion.
In university during my second semester, I learned from a subject about the rules of discussion especially in a seminar and presentation and what Nazzam's did is against the code ethic
Peace
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Peace All
We need to accept and realise that this is a public forum and the reason that it is a public forum is so that we ALL can learn and give our input and perspectives.
And we get to learn those perspectives from people all over the world that are on here. While some of us a here are psychologist, philosophers, teachers, professors etc and even students still in college and secondary school. We all can learn from each other.I honestly belive that I don't have to have any qualifications to learn or understand the Quran, but that's my outlook.
Could we please keep this thread on topic guys/ladies, feel that we could learn from the topic/thread
@Nazzam if you are keen then I could also help translate the Dutch for you as I speak Afrikaans that is actually originated from Dutch.Peace
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Peace...
The only discussions which are worthy my consideration and time, are those I have with fellow colleagues and professors who are demonstrably competent in these area's.
This is probably the most arrogant statement I have ever read in this forum.
The content of your "best ever written text on this subject" is obviously nothing new to anyone here. The same old chestnuts we had to deal with over and over again.
Please read the follwowing articles by brother Wakas and ponder if your position is really as strong as you seem to believe
Disproved once and for all salat = prayer
http//www.mypercept.co.uk/articles/disproved_traditional_salat.htmAn understanding of salat from Al Quran (The Reading)
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/slw.htm -
peace all,
There seems to have been a forum glitch and my last two posts got deleted from this thread. It seems some others also.
In any case, I just said
Stand towards the qiblah (2144, 2149, 2150)
The word "salat" is not in those verses.
And that "wusta" does not exclusively mean "middle" and pointed the thread author's attention to
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-of-SuJuD-from-Quran.html
And if he could cite his strongest objections/problems with the work, so readers can decide for themselves etc. -
Peace all
NO OFFENCE TO ANYONE
Salat means obligatory daily prayer.
(CORRECT)Salat is prescribed to be done 3 times per day (morning, evening, and night).
(INCORRECT) TWO salat, SALAT AL FAJR and SALAT AL EISHA. Name the THIRD PRAYER and if your refer AS SALAT AL WUSTA in verse 2238 then that verse says HAAFIZ for both SALAWAAT and AS SALAT AL WUSTA and HAAFIZU SALAWAAT has no relation whatsoever to AQIMUS SALAT. Read the verses that contain the word HAAFIZ in the Quran.
I want to learn ?HOW TO GUARD THE TWO, THREE OR FIVE RITUAL PRAYER? Is there anybody who can teach me?
And more importantly, do you know that the BELIEVERS (239) and the MUSALLEEN (7034) GUARDS their PRAYER. Then why again to GUARD the PRAYERS to the BELIEVERS? I may not be a true believer, but there are many true believers and they know how to GUARD the PRAYER, let them come forward and demonstrate it.In the same way the BELIEVERS (235) as well as MUSALLEEN (7029) are the GUARDIANS of their PRIVATE PARTS, and this I know and I believe all MANKIND also know how to GUARD their private parts. If GUARDING of the PRIVATE PARTS is known by everybody, then why the hell the BELIVERS do not know how to GUARD the RITUAL PRAYER? Allah says that SUCCESSFUL BELIEVERS ARE THOSE WHO GUARD THEIR PRIVATE PARTS AND PRAYERS, it means no BELIEVER is SUCCESSFUL because he does not know how to GUARD the PRAYER.
Salat exists out of 3 physical postures; qiyam (standing), ruku3 (bowing), sujud (kneeling down) which are implemented 4 times qiyam-ruku-qiyam-sujud.
(INCORRECT) Prove your RITUAL SALAT via QURAN and not HADITH or OTHER SOURCE.
Salat ends at the sujud, while the front head is still on the ground. When u lift it up, salat is over and u can start with dua.
(INCORRECT) Prove via Quran
Salat exists out of one unit (known by traditionalists as 'rak3ah'.
(INCORRECT) PROVE via QURAN
Salat can be shortened (and is comparable to what traditionalists call 'salat at tilawah; going directly from qiyam to sujud).
(INCORRECT) If you are quoting 4101 then remember the prefix preposition (word) MIN which is omitted in all translations of the Quran. Try to translate with the word MIN. (SHORTEN FROM THE SALAT). In the absence of any details in the Quran regarding the RITUAL SALAT, what are you going to SHORTEN FROM THE SALAT?
Salat can be done riding, sitting, or laying down, by which the physical postures do not apply.
(INCORRECT) What is the FEAR in 2239 that forces the believer to pray on foot or riding and if the fear is of the enemy (although in the verse it is not so) then will the fear of the believer subside or vanish while he prays on foot or riding? Whether a believer PRAYS while STANDING, or ON FOOT, or RIDING he is always an easy target of the ENEMY. There is none yet who has demonstrated the prayers while RIDING. Give me one instance where any believer has ever prayed riding and remember that the commands of the Quran are for all times to come and not for today or for the past. If today nobody is praying either on foot or riding, then why the hell is this verse still commanding to the believers to pray on foot or riding? Your foremost task is to quote the KIND OF FEAR in 2238. I am waiting for the reply since year 2001 FOR THE KIND OF FEAR. Allah has not mentioned the KIND OF FEAR in the verse. It is simply ?IF YOU FEAR?
Salat can only be done in a physically clean state; the 'wudu' is not ritualistic or symbolic, but practical, as is tayammum (dont underestimate sand, even stones and metal are polished by it).
(CORRECT)Salat can be missed, but cannot be catched up with. When it is missed, repentance is necessary.
(INCORRECT) If you are quoting verse 1959 then have a look at the word BELIEVE. Think WHY a BELIEVER after missing the RITUAL SALAT CONVERT him to a DISBELIEVER and after that he has to REPENT and BELIEVE AGAIN. There are THREE acts that convert a BELIEVER to a DISBELIEVER and one of the three acts is mentioned in this verse.
Salat has no tasleem at the end, this is unquranic and forbidden. It is a form of shirk.
(CORRECT) I only agree TASLEEM to be unquranic. I do not agree to it as a FORBIDDEN act or it is a SHIRK
Salat has no tashahhud at the end, this is unquranic and forbidden. It is a form of shirk.
(CORRECT) AND THE SAME AS ABOVE
Salat has no dua in it, dua is done after it (regardless of the fact that the end of sura al fatiha is a dua of some sort).
(INCORRECT) Read verse 339/40/41. What was ZACHARIAH doing while he STOOD in his RITUAL PRAYER? Was he reciting some verses from the BOOK which Allah gave him? Was he reciting SURAH FATEHA? What the Angels did while ZACHARIAH stood in his RITUAL PRAYER. When and how did his RITUAL PRAYER ended?
SALAT is DUA for HELP refer verse 338 ZACHARIAH asked help from Allah
And seek HELP through patience and PRAYER, and most surely it is a hard thing except for the humble ones 245There is no friday prayer. The 'prayer of the congregation' is mentioned conventionally, and is pointing out to a prayer which happened to coincide with a well-known social event. This prayer is simply the evening prayer (maghrib), which happened to coincide with the market before the evening of shabbat. The verse is not about a new prayer or way of service, but about weighing the priorities between spiritual and material interests.
How days are expressed or written in Arabic? It is based on the count of the numbers. It starts from Sunday (YAUM AL AHAD) then ITHNAIN, THULAATHA, ARBA?a, KHAMIS, then it should be YAUMAL SITTA (but instead we fund YAUM AL JUMA?a) and SABT. In the light of the above JUMA?a is not a FRIDAY but a day of gathering. In SALAT we SAY refer verse 443 and if everybody SAYS in the FRIDAY PRAYER then it will become a fish market
Salla 3ala has nothing to do with salat. s-l-w 3-l-y is call for or invoke or send blessings.
(FIRST PART CORRECT) Try to understand verse 3356. It is something which Allah and HIS Angels are doing towards the Prophet and the BELIEVERS also CAN DO IT. But when we say ALLAA HUMMA, it means O Allah send your blessings, so indirectly it means we cannot send blessings to the prophet directly without the help of Allah and for this this we revert back to Allah to send blessings on the prophet. This is ridiculous. Do you think that Allah will respond to my invoking, when I invoke to HIM to send blessings on the prophet,? Even if Allah sends blessings on the prophet NOW then what is the blessings of ALLAH in WORDS and how it will benefit the prophet? Remember the errors of the prophet are forgiven and prophets never commit crime and the prophet is promised the MAQAME MAHMOOD and beyond this, what you expect from Allah to the prophet through invoking for sending blessings?
There is no prayer for the dead; there is calling/invoking/sending blessings to the dead.
(FIRST PART CORRECT) What BENEFIT will the DEAD receive from YOUR invoking to Allah? Is HE going to forgive him or make him enter JANNAH?
Whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is Allah's; and whether you manifest what is in your minds or hide it, Allah will call you to account according to it; then HE WILL FORGIVE WHOM HE PLEASES and chastise whom He pleases, and Allah has power over all things 2284
Can your invoking change the WILL of Allah?
There are no extra prayers outside of salat.
(CORRECT)
Salat consists out of the recitation of quranic texts.
(INCORRECT) Refer verse 339/40/41
Salat may only be directed to God. Recited texts may not contain direct references to prophets, angels, djinn or people, and must be directed to God alone, preferably, in the 2nd person singular.
(FIRST PART CORRECT) Rest conjecture.
Salat has to be done in a monotone voice, not too loud or quiet
(CORRECT)
Salat is preferably to be directed to the qibla, but this is not an absolute necessity. It is meant for convenience.
(INCORRECT) Show the word SALAT from verse 2142 to 150. If not then how you came to the conclusion that the verses are in the context of RITUAL SALAT?
Salat is for remembering God.
(CORRECT)
Praying alone is better than to pray in public or with others.
(INCORRECT) Refer verse 443 WHAT YOU SAY. You SAY in the Prayers and not RECITE or READ and the listener to your SAYING is Allah and none other than him. If in a congregation prayer everybody starts SAYING then it will become a fish market. Remember Zachariah SAID to Allah and the Angels replied and SAID to Zachariah on behalf of Allah WHILE he STOOD in his RITUAL PRAYER.
Summary
Cleansing (56, 443, 2011-12) (CORRECT)
Stand towards the qiblah (2144, 2149, 2150) (INCORRECT)
Start reciting in a monotone voice (17110).(CORRECT)
Only recite that which is directed directly to God (2945, 7218, 4065, 17110, 436, 18110, 7220), like al Fatiha or al Ikhlas.
(INCORRECT) All ?QUL? are the ANSWERS to the mankind (believers and disbelievers) it cannot be recited back to Allah because we say in our prayers and Allah listens to it. Can we command Allah to Say something which he has commanded the prophet to say to the people. Think about it
Bow over while praising God (subhanaka wa-l hamdu laka ya Allah, 3215)
(INCORRECT) Traditional Muslims conjecture, cannot prove from the Quran
Return to the previous posture as logical phase between bowing and kneeling down (26217-219)
(INCORRECT) CONJECTUREKneeling down, while praising God (subhanaka wa-l hamdu laka ya Allah, 1598, 3215, at which a verse or sura can be recited, on the condition that it is only directed to God)
(INCORRECT) CONJECTURE
End of salat while in the posture of kneeling down (4102).
(INCORRECT) Read 4;102 meticulously. It is not revealed in the context of TRAVEL PRAYER but in the context of STRATEGY OF WAR.
DARABTUM FIL ARD what actually it means.
O you who have believed, when you go forth in the cause of Allah, investigate; and do not say to one who gives you peace "You are not a believer," aspiring for the goods of worldly life; for with Allah are many acquisitions. You were like that before; then Allah conferred His favor upon you, so investigate. Indeed Allah is ever, with what you do, Acquainted. 494
And when you GO FORTH (TO FIGHT) in the land, there is no blame upon you if you REFRAIN FROM THE SALAT, if you fear that those who disbelieve may PERSECUTE (treat cruelly or unfairly especially because of race, religious or political belief) you. Indeed, the disbelievers are ever to you a clear enemy 4101
What is the command for the PERSECUTORS in the QURAN?
And FIGHT WITH THEM UNTIL there is no PERSECUTION, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors. 2193
IN 4101 What is the COMMAND. Refrain from the SALAT. Replace the SALAT to COMMAND. What you get. REFRAIN from the COMMAND of FIGHTING WITH THEM while marching forth in the land (for fighting) if you fear that the disbelievers might PERSECUTE you.
4102 is contrary to verse 4101
4102 is full of ARMS, WEAPONS, BAGGAGE, PRECAUTIONS; these indicate WHAT, Travel or WAR?
When u stand up, the salat is over.
(INCORRECT)
Now one can start with dua, but again only directed to God; only He can hear prayers (576, 2620). Prophets cannot hear you, they are dead (218 ), but God is ever-living (255.
(FIRST PART INCORRECT) Refer verse 338/39/40 (REST CORRECT)
It is better to pray alone (755, 2271), in order to prevent the susceptibility for vanity, arrogance and pride(7206). This will ease praying in humbleness and submission (231-2).
(FIRST PART CORRECT) REST NO COMMENT.
THANKS
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Peace!
Man.. )
All your points are invalid, and it is clear you too are not in the position to discuss the substance of what I have written. Your reactions are so bizarre, it is unbelievable. I mean the courage.. you must believe in yourself very much.
When my article is finished, p2p reviewed by a team of renowned Arabists, and publicized, then you may ponder on your reaction.
I have said earlier I was not going to write here anymore, cause of censorship. So that you know.
Have a nice day )
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Nazzam,
Edit2 I regret that I wasted my time and mood on the likes of you. Best not to further discuss anything with you that I disturb my peace. Hope you find the path at some point.
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Salaam,
This forum does not practice censorship.
Many people have admitted and claimed that their posts are also missing.
Regards,
Yuliana -
All your points are invalid, and it is clear you too are not in the position to discuss the substance of what I have written. Your reactions are so bizarre, it is unbelievable. I mean the courage.. you must believe in yourself very much.
All my points raised are INVALID according to you is because YOU DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS WITH YOU. (IF YOU CALL YOURSELF AN EXPERT, THEN PLEASE REVISE YOUR THINKING)
SWIMMING IN A POND OR A LAKE DOES NOT MAKE YOU AN EXPERT SWIMMER UNLESS YOU KNOW HOW TO SWIM IN A SEA OF HIGH TIDES AND LOW TIDES.
In a fair discussion the questions are asked and views are expressed but to run away from the discussion without giving answers to the questions, with the excuse that articles are censored, is a sign of hypocrisy, childishness, lack of basic knowledge of the Quran and pride.
Before deciding to run away please answer my questions which I had already asked you.
PROVE THE RITUAL SALAT AND ITS DETAILS VIA THE QURAN (DO NOT QUOTE HADITH OR OTHER SOURCE
PROVE IN 2239 "WHAT IS THE FEAR"
PROVE THAT VERSE 4100 AND 101 IS REVEALED IN THE CONTEXT OF TRAVEL.
DEMONSTRATE THE TRAVEL PRAYER ON HORSE OR CAMEL OR DONKEY. HOW YOU PERFORM IT OR HOW THE PROPHET PERFORMED.
PROVE THAT WE HAVE TO FACE A PARTICULAR QIBLAH DURING THE PRAYER VIA QURAN.
TAKE MY CHALLENGE. NEITHER YOU NOR YOUR TEAM OF RENOWNED ARABIST CAN ANSWER ANY OF THE ABOVE QUESTIONS
When my article is finished, p2p reviewed by a team of renowned Arabists, and publicized, then you may ponder on your reaction.
In Hindi / Urdu language there is a phrase "ANDHON MEIN KAANA RAAJAA" (A EYED BLIND IS THE KING AMONG THE BLINDS)"
IF YOUR TEAM OF ARABIST GIVES YOU A GREEN SIGNAL TO YOUR ARTICLE AFTER REVIEWING IT THEN THE ABOVE PHRASE APPLIES TO YOU AND YOUR TEAM OF ARABIST.
I have said earlier I was not going to write here anymore, cause of censorship. So that you know.
WHAT A LAME EXCUSE TO RUN AWAY FROM A FAIR DISCUSSION. TAKE THE EXAMPLE OF DR. ZAKIR NAIK, (ALTHOUGH I DISLIKE HIM FOR UPHOLDING THE HADITH) HOW HE STANDS FIRM TO ANSWER A BARRAGE OF QUESTIONS SHOWERED ON HIM BY THE AUDIENCES. He never said to any audience that his questions are invalid and bizarre but tried to convince them through his knowledge based on Quran Hadith and common sense.
I need not ponder over my reaction because I know where I stand, but by reading your article on SALAT it took me only seconds to know that you do not have the basic knowledge of the Quran. If you had the knowledge of the Quran you would have answered my questions and made me silent. On the contrary you have decided to run away with a childish excuse. I really feel pity for you and your team of renowned Arabist who are backing you.
Next time when you jump in a sea please make sure you know how to swim in high and low tides
Thanks
