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    kgwithnob
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    ...and Allah is the only one true God among those gods
    which means, we make Allah equivalents to other gods worshiped by human beings

    Nor is there to Him any equivalent <- including the concept of "God", it is not equivalent
    (1124)...

    So, according to your understanding of verse 1124, even if we call ALLAAH, Arrahmaan, Arraheem, Alhaiy, Alqaiyoom, and so forth, we are still setting up equivalents for Him, right?

    Peace,
    Khalil

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        This is so since we have specific Sura that define Allah; ie. Sura al-Ikhlas, where Allah denies He is equivalent to god(s), and "There is no god but Allah".

        You're true if there are no equivalent for Allah/God, but what I and Man of Faith means is about english grammar not about philosophy.

        Allah and God is one thing, Allah in Arabic is God in english.

        Arabic = Indo-Malay = English
        Tiada Tuhan Selain Allah (There is) no god but God.

        Like I said in previous post if the word "Allah" is not a name.

        God in Islam
        God(s) in Christianity
        God(s) in Hinduism
        God(s) in Buddhism
        God(s) in Sikhism
        God(s) in Zoroastrianism
        God(s) in Confucianism
        God(s) in Taoism
        God(s) in Paganism

        Let me correct;

        God in Islam
        God in Christian.
        god(s) in Buddhism
        god(s) in Sikhism
        god(s) in Zoroastrianism
        god(s) in Confucianism
        god(s) in Taoism
        god(s) in Paganism

        Peace brother.

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          muslims
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          So, according to your understanding of verse 1124, even if we call ALLAAH, Arrahmaan, Arraheem, Alhaiy, Alqaiyoom, and so forth, we are still setting up equivalents for Him, right?

          Peace,
          Khalil

          Salam

          I'm referring to the use of "God", and its relation to Allah and Sura al-Ikhlas; ie. the definition provision for Allah in the Qur'an.

          Is it true that Allah is God ?

          Therefore, you should rephrase your question as follows

          Is it true that...

          Allah is God?
          Arrahmaan is God?
          Arraheem is God?
          Alhaiy is God?
          Alqaiyoom is God?

          Peace.

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            muslims
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            English
            (There is) no god but God.

            Like I said in previous post if the word "Allah" is not a name.

            Btw the word Allah and l-ilah is still different words, because merging Al and ilah into "Allah" has no rule in Arabic.

            Salam,

            I understand your point, the difference is between capital "G" and "g". "God" is not equal to "god". Unfortunately, all other religions are using capital "G" when referring to their gods. Therefore, it is still referring and equivalents to the same concept of gods worshiped by human beings. Similarly, there is a difference in names for Mercedes, BMW, Toyota, Nissan, Ferrari, Land Rover, Lamborghini, Mitsubishi, Renault, Alfa Romeo, Austin Martin, Citroen, Fiat, Prosche, Kia, Mini, Audi, Dodge and Mazda etc. However, it is equivalents and all these names are referring to "Cars" or "cars".

            What if someone asks you what "car" are you driving?

            Can you answer I'm driving a "Car"?

            You are going to say that "Car" is not equivalent to "car"?

            Ggle
            (eyes)

            http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/Square_compasses.svg/220px-Square_compasses.svg.png

            http//i1.cpcache.com/product_zoom/587320373/masonic_eye_coffee_mug_right_hand.jpg?height=250&width=250&padToSquare=true

            http//www.masonic-lodge-of-education.com/images/G_the_letter_G_254x393.gif

            http//2.bp.blogspot.com/_H_YV13bgS2s/S0k7qUjpo6I/AAAAAAAABMA/rQ8yxSA0MVI/s320/masonic+G.jpg

            Peace brother.

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              muslims
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              Like I said in previous post if the word "Allah" is not a name.

              Salam

              RED Some observations...

              And if you asked them -> And if you asked them
              "Who created the heavens and the earth?" "Who created the heavens and the earth?"
              they would surely say, "Allah" they would surely say, "God" <- x god?
              Say, "Then have you considered Say, "Then have you considered
              what you invoke besides Allah? what you invoke besides God? <- x god?
              If Allah intended me harm If God intended me harm
              are they removers of His harm are they removers of His harm
              or if He intended me mercy or if He intended me mercy
              are they withholders of His mercy?" are they withholders of His mercy?"
              Say, "Sufficient for me is Allah Say, "Sufficient for me is God <- x god?
              upon Him rely the reliers." upon Him rely the reliers."
              (393 (393

              And when Allah alone is mentioned -> And when God alone is mentioned <- x god?
              (3945) (3945)

              So mention the Name of Allah over -> So mention the Name of God over them <- x god?
              them when they are drawn up in them when they are drawn up in
              lines (for sacrifice) lines (for sacrifice)
              (2236) (2236)

              English
              (There is) no god but God.

              "God" is not equal to "god"
              "Car" is not equal to "car"
              "Cat" is not equal to "cat"
              "Cow" is not equal to "cow"

              What language is this?

              Why Allah are using language (system) that are difficult to comprehend?

              Peace.

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                muslims
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                Say, "He is Allah, One
                Allah, the Eternal Refuge
                He neither begets nor is born
                Nor is there to Him any equivalent"
                (112)

                Observations...

                Say, "He is God, One <- "God" not equal to "god"?
                God, the Eternal Refuge |
                He neither begets nor is born |
                Nor is there to Him any equivalent" <-------+-------> god?
                (112)

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                  diamantinehoneybunch
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                  Salaam muslims. What about ? Rabb is always translated into Lord (with capital L). Does that mean it is also wrong? Are you saying that Allah, the Arabic word is the only His true name? What about YHVH, Eloah etc?

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                    Salaam muslims. What about ? Rabb is always translated into Lord (with capital L). Does that mean it is also wrong? Are you saying that Allah, the Arabic word is the only His true name? What about YHVH, Eloah etc?

                    Sura 112 The "definition provision for Allah" in the Qur'an

                    There is also no harm to call Allah as God/god since it is also referred in the Qur'an. These are not the issue.

                    Salaam diamantinehoneybunch,

                    I'm referring to a "definition or interpretation provision/sura". It is a sura or provision that defines words in the Qur'an. Similarly, we have a "The Interpretation Act 1978 (UK)", "The Interpretation Act 1987 (NSW)", or an interpretation provision in every statutory acts; "In this Act the following words and expressions are used in the following senses, unless a contrary intention appears from the context"; Section 2 in every statutory legislation, or an interpretation clause in every Contracts.

                    Therefore, Allah can use any names or identifiers; whether it is Rabb, Ar-Rahman, Ar-Raheem, God, god, YHVH, Eloah etc, but all these names are subject to the interpretation provision in the Qur'an; ie. Sura al-Ikhlas, a sura that define the actual meaning of Allah.

                    Why would Allah use similar concepts? Maybe because human beings only understand the concept of "gods" for creations. However, this is not definite and human will understand the actual concept of Allah after becoming a Believer. The understanding of Allah is a "life process" but not the end descriptions or meanings of Allah. It is not something that can be taken for granted or achieve through academical process, but a privilege, and dependent on the level of our faith.

                    Peace

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                      Salaam,

                      To say "I am driving a Toyota" is not entirely correct language, but we do it anyway in daily conversation. The use of a proper noun with an article is special in this regard. Toyota substitutes car as an object.

                      Toyota is a name just as God.

                      Allah is the name of God in not only Islam for Arabic speaking people, so it is a poor argument in my opinion. Allah's meaning is the same as its English counterpart, as I explained in an earlier post.

                      God bless you

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                        muslims
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                        Toyota is a name just as God.

                        Similarly, there is a difference in names for Mercedes, BMW, Toyota, Nissan, Ferrari, Land Rover, Lamborghini, Mitsubishi, Renault, Alfa Romeo, Austin Martin, Citroen, Fiat, Prosche, Kia, Mini, Audi, Dodge and Mazda etc. However, it is equivalents and all these names are referring to "Cars" or "cars".

                        What if someone asks you what "car" are you driving?

                        Can you answer I'm driving a "Car"?

                        You are going to say that "Car" is not equivalent to "car"?

                        Salaam,

                        You are saying "Toyota is a name just as God"

                        Therefore you are saying "God" is a name (for Allah).

                        And you are saying "God" is not equivalent to "god".

                        The difference is the capital "G" and lower case "g".

                        Similarly, other religion also claiming the capital "G" is referring to their "God". They are saying Allah is with lower case "god", the same way you are claiming to their gods. The following is a list of "God" names worshiped by human beings.


                        "C"ar" or "c"ar" Mercedes, BMW, Toyota, Nissan, Ferrari etc....
                        "G"od" or "g"od" http//api.ning.com/files/uGCxg7sZSOsBbNwvSUN0m6uFBP5OUvR7e-3lYPcnfzzdki1NKdfBKi*MBEzKhhqFLbCaNgzbOCTwHTwBFp0cz3nyqUP-l7F1/arrowDownSmall.png

                        Allah is equivalent to... ?
                        http//api.ning.com/files/uGCxg7sZSOsBbNwvSUN0m6uFBP5OUvR7e-3lYPcnfzzdki1NKdfBKi*MBEzKhhqFLbCaNgzbOCTwHTwBFp0cz3nyqUP-l7F1/arrowDownSmall.png
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Agdistis
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Ah Puch
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Ahura Mazda
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Alberich
                        "G"od = Allah <- Man of Faith's argument
                        "G"od = Ar-Rahman
                        "G"od = Ar-Raheem
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Amaterasu
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = An
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Anahita
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Anansi
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Anat
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Andvari
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Anshar
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Anu
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Aphrodite
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Apollo
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Apsu
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Ares
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Artemis
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Asclepius
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Athena
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Athirat
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Athtart
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Atlas
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Baal
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Ba Xian
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Bacchus
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Balder
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Bast
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Bellona
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Bergelmir
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Bes
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Bixia Yuanjin
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Bragi
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Brahma
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Brigit
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Camaxtli
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Ceres
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Ceridwen
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Cernunnos
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Chac
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Chalchiuhtlicue
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Chang Hsi See Heng-O.
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Charun
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Chemosh
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Cheng-huang
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Cybele
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Dagon
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Damkina (Dumkina)
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Davlin
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Dawn
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Demeter
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Diana
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Di Cang
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Dionysus
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Ea
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = El
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Enki
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Enlil
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Eos
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Epona
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Ereskigal
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Farbauti
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Fenrir
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Forseti
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Fortuna
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Freya
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Freyr
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Frigg
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Gaia
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Ganesha
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Ganga
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Garuda
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Gauri
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Geb
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Geong Si
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Guanyin
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Hades
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Hanuman
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Hathor
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Hecate
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Helios
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Heng-o
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Hephaestus
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Hera
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Hermes
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Hestia
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Hod
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Hoderi
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Hoori
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Horus
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Hotei
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Huitzilopochtli
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Hsi-Wang-Mu
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Hygeia
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Inanna
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Inti
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Iris
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Ishtar
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Isis
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Ixtab
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Izanaki
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Izanami
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Janus
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Jesus
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Juno
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Jupiter
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Juturna
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Kagutsuchi
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Kartikeya
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Khepri
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Ki
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Kingu
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Kinich Ahau
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Kishar
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Krishna
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Kuan-yin
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Kukulcan
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Kvasir
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Lakshmi
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Leto
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Liza
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Loki
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Lugh
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Luna
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Magna Mater
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Maia
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Marduk
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Mars
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Mazu
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Medb
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Mercury
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Mimir
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Min
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Minerva
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Mithras
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Morrigan
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Mot
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Mummu
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Muses
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Nammu
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Nanna
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Nanna (Norse)
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Nanse
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Neith
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Nemesis
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Nephthys
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Neptune
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Nergal
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Ninazu
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Ninhurzag
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Nintu
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Ninurta
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Njord
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Nugua
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Nut
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Odin
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Ohkuninushi
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Ohyamatsumi
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Orgelmir
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Osiris
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Ostara
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Pan
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Parvati
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Phaethon
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Phoebe
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Phoebus Apollo
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Pilumnus
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Poseidon
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Quetzalcoatl
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Rama
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Re
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Rhea
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Sabazius
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Sarapis
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Sarasvati
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Selene
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Shiva
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Seshat
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Seti (Set)
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Shamash
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Shapsu
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Shen Yi
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Shiva
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Shu
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Si-Wang-Mu
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Sin
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Sirona
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Sol
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Surya
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Susanoh
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Tawaret
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Tefnut
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Tezcatlipoca
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Thanatos
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Thor
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Thoth
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Tiamat
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Tianhou
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Tlaloc
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Tonatiuh
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Toyo-Uke-Bime
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Tyche
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Tyr
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Utu
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Ullr
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Uzume
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Vediovis
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Venus
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Vesta
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Vishnu
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Volturnus
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Vulcan
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Xipe
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Xi Wang-mu
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Xochipilli
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Xochiquetzal
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Yam
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Yarikh
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Yhwh
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Ymir
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Yu-huang
                        "G"od / "G"oddess = Yum Kimil

                        Premise 2 Sura 112 said Allah is One and not equivalent to god(s) / God

                        And the example of a bad word <-- poor or flawed argument
                        is like a bad tree
                        uprooted from the surface of the earth
                        not having any stability
                        (1426)

                        "God" is not equal to "god"
                        "Car" is not equal to "car"
                        "Cat" is not equal to "cat"
                        "Cow" is not equal to "cow"

                        What language is this?

                        Why Allah are using language (system) that are difficult to comprehend?

                        God bless you.

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                          diamantinehoneybunch
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                          And Rabb is not equal to Lord.

                          Right?

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                            . Unfortunately, all other religions are using capital "G" when referring to their gods. Therefore, it is still referring and equivalents to the same concept of gods worshiped by human beings. Similarly, there is a difference in names for Mercedes, BMW, Toyota, Nissan, Ferrari, Land Rover, Lamborghini, Mitsubishi, Renault, Alfa Romeo, Austin Martin, Citroen, Fiat, Prosche, Kia, Mini, Audi, Dodge and Mazda etc. However, it is equivalents and all these names are referring to "Cars" or "cars".

                            "God" is not equal to "god"
                            "Car" is not equal to "car"
                            "Cat" is not equal to "cat"
                            "Cow" is not equal to "cow"

                            What language is this?

                            Ok brother, I giveup.

                            But I recommend you read this sites http//simple.wiktionary.org/wiki/god
                            http//simple.wiktionary.org/wiki/God

                            Peace brother

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                              Man_of_Faith
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                              Salaam,

                              Feels like talking to a machine here which just responds with syntax error and then syntax suggestions, but I say this the capital 'G', like I already said thrice I think, has the same meaning in the formulation of Allah, ie the 'al' of Allah. Arabic has no capital letters and thus it uses 'al' both in definite nouns and certain proper nouns as I understood as an emphasis. The 'al' in Allah is exactly the same as putting 'G' on God. Grammatically it is difficult to compare languages, but this got to be the way it works.

                              Certainly other religions may call their god God, but other religions have also called god Allah, so there is really no advantage using Allah over God in that regard.

                              Saying 'god' is like saying 'lah'. Saying 'God' is like saying 'Allah'.

                              And if I am wrong with the formalities please correct me since I am no expert at Arabic but using my reason and logic. But English I master well enough to say God would substitute Allah according to my reasoning.

                              Languages have different ways to emphasize on words and English often uses capitalization and as far as I have observed Arabic had its 'al'. Is it not logical? Thinking of al-rahman, al-raheem, al-adheem etc. This 'al' is used in many instances and I know it is a definite article, but it is put on words that would normally indicate a proper noun in English like Gracious, Merciful. The way we normally handle these ones is wrong, ie many people say 'the Merciful' while it would seem to be an optional name of God preventing the use of 'the'. In that case it would be like with 'the Toyota' I talked about driving before.

                              The name God has been abused by polytheists, but so has Allah.

                              Note that people seldom refer to their polytheistic religion's god as God but their respective name or attributes. "God + role + real name" is commonly used.

                              Anyway, after this I say like Earthdom. "I give up!". If you feel it is wrong to call God 'God' call Him Allah. I only wanted to prove it is not blasphemous or disrespectful to say 'God' to our Lord.

                              I still stand by my opinion that God has no definite name and He only bears a name that we minions have something to relate to. God uses many dozens of names in Quran just to refer to Himself. Mainly it is Allah being used though, but that has the same meaning as if He hypothetically would say God. And he uses Allah and not lah as he is a unique being so it is Allah and if it would be English then God. It is as easy as that.

                              I wonder how one can waste so much time on this matter anyway. I hope what I said had any argumentative effect. Guess I wanted to help people to see that we are not restricted to Arabic when it comes to God's religion. God does never run out of words and that includes any language.

                              God bless you

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                                GODsubmitter
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                                What is your problem? Allah is the noun, translated in English = god.

                                It is like in Italian language if you say Non c'e dio salvo iddio=la ilaha il'allah.

                                Anyway, read this and educate yourself

                                http//www.quran4peace.org/documents/Quran4peace-English-part1.pdf
                                http//www.quran4peace.org/documents/Quran4peace-English-part2.pdf

                                ... and stop spreading confusion!

                                peace

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                                  muslims
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                                  And Rabb is not equal to Lord.

                                  Right?

                                  But I recommend you read this sites http//simple.wiktionary.org/wiki/god
                                  http//simple.wiktionary.org/wiki/God

                                  What is your problem? Allah is the noun, translated in English = god.

                                  Languages have different ways to emphasize on words and English

                                  Salam

                                  Why you are raising the issue of "language" or "spelling" when the real issue and logical argument of this thread is related to whether Allah is equivalent to the "same concept of God" (category) worshipped by human beings?

                                  For example

                                  Category Name
                                  -> God Allah, Jesus, Shiva etc.
                                  -> Car Mercedes, BMW, Ford, Toyota etc.
                                  -> Food Pizza, Cake, Bread etc.
                                  -> Animal Tiger, Lion, Cat, Cow etc

                                  I agree with you and we can call Allah with any Best Identifiers. There is also no harm to call Allah as God/god since it is also referred in the Qur'an. These are not the issue. The real issue is whether it is "most accurate" to make Allah equivalent to the same category of god(s). This is so since we have specific Sura that define Allah; ie. Sura al-Ikhlas, where Allah denies He is equivalent to god(s), and "There is no god but Allah".

                                  Therefore, Allah can use any names or identifiers; whether it is Rabb, Ar-Rahman, Ar-Raheem, God, god, YHVH, Eloah etc, but all these names are subject to the interpretation provision in the Qur'an; ie. Sura al-Ikhlas, a sura that define the actual meaning of Allah.

                                  Read the issue of this thread and identify what is the issue from the following argument?

                                  Is it about spellings?

                                  Is it about languages?

                                  What kind of person that present an argument without first understanding the issue?

                                  Logical Argument

                                  Premise 1 There are many (equivalent concept of) gods
                                  worshiped by human beings.
                                  Premise 2 Sura 112 said Allah is One and not equivalent to god(s) / "G"od.

                                  The issue here is whether Allah is "equivalent" to the same concept of God understand and worshipped by human beings.

                                  and... Sura 112 said Allah is One and not equivalent to god(s) / "G"od (category).

                                  Peace

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                                    Salaam,

                                    It is what I have been trying to prove if you could not see it, through explaining grammar of English, that God is equivalent to Allah.

                                    God bless you

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                                      Salaam,

                                      It is what I have been trying to prove if you could not see it, through explaining grammar of English, that God is equivalent to Allah.

                                      God bless you

                                      Salaam,

                                      Okay you still don't understand the issue of this thread and raising the issue of "spelling" and "languages".

                                      I fully understand your point, spelling of Allah is equal to spelling of God.

                                      To make it easy, let says there is only the word "God" in the Qur'an.

                                      This is your argument right?

                                      The issue here is does "God" (name) is in the same category of Gods/gods (category) worshipped by human beings?

                                      God bless you

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                                        Salaam,

                                        These are circular arguments. God is God, not in a category of other gods than God. I told you it is the same in Arabic had you not added 'al' to 'lah'. The 'G' has the same effect. To understand the logic you have to analyze the English language.

                                        From my first post I discussed the topic of the thread, but you were unable to see that.

                                        God is One. Other gods are imaginary. There is no category of gods. And I am not sure why you mixed up Toyota in your god category.

                                        If it was an English version issued by God the slogan would be "there is no god but God" and it would mean the same as its Arabic counterpart. The old polytheistic religions and their gods had names that were not 'God' but rather Jupiter or similar. Because capitalization of god means making it the same name as Allah it is not in the category of other gods.

                                        I am not sure what I must say that you understand this very logical fact.

                                        I have understood that you are working to prove it is wrong to say God, but it cannot be. Even in Arabic without using 'al' on Allah it could be any god.

                                        God bless you

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                                          muslims
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                                          God is God, not in a category of other gods than God.

                                          Salam,

                                          I say "other religions are also claiming the capital "G" is referring to their "God"".

                                          You say "God is God, not in a category of other gods than God."

                                          Therefore "God (category/concept) is not equivalents to "God" (name of Allah in English,
                                          as per your argument)

                                          Therefore "God (category/concept) is not "Allah" (name of Allah in the Qur'an)"

                                          Therefore "Allah" is not equivalent to God (category/concept)

                                          Argument Therefore, Allah is . . . ?
                                          (a) God (equivalent category/concept); or
                                          (b) not God (equivalent category/concept) (refer here)

                                          Is this right as per your argument?

                                          God bless you.

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