Allah is God ?
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La rajulun illa Ali
This sentence has no relevance to the sentence La Illah Ila Allah
Rajulun is the subject of the nominal sentence and being indefinite in nominative case and absolute state its specification is necessary and needs to be estimated as elision. He and Ali both remain as Man and negation for that indefinite man is in relation to some attribute of Ali.
In the sentence La Illah Ila Allah; La is not simple negation but negation of genus since the subject noun is in accusative. Here Illah denotes a group-a family of deities who are treated as gods.
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http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/2.255PQL.gifRealize it Allah the Exalted is all alone the living Iela'aha Sovereign Sustainer Lord; He Who is uncritically admired and adorned. None else of the hypothetical set iela'aha gods-deities were and are a living entity.
Allah the Exalted alone is the ever Living; the Absolute; never ever to die, and the Sustainer; the Organizer of all that exists; the Sovereign Administrator. .
Allah the Exalted confirms that people have adopted miscellaneous gods. So they are a ground reality. The Predicate of La is elided. And that Predicate can be estimated any fact about Allah the Exalted which is not the trait of all others whom people call or consider as miscellaneous iela'aha. The foremost trait of Allah is "the Living". All others whom people call god including Easa alahissalam are non-living; the dead and matter.
"None is living who are considered as iela'aha gods except Allah the Exalted".Translation after grammatical parsing 2255
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This sentence has no relevance to the sentence La Illah Ila Allah
Rajulun is the subject of the nominal sentence and being indefinite in nominative case and absolute state its specification is necessary and needs to be estimated as elision. He and Ali both remain as Man and negation for that indefinite man is in relation to some attribute of Ali.
In the sentence La Illah Ila Allah; La is not simple negation but negation of genus since the subject noun is in accusative. Here Illah denotes a group-a family of deities who are treated as gods.
http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/2.255PPR.gif
http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/2.255PQL.gifRealize it Allah the Exalted is all alone the living Iela'aha Sovereign Sustainer Lord; He Who is uncritically admired and adorned. None else of the hypothetical set iela'aha gods-deities were and are a living entity.
Allah the Exalted alone is the ever Living; the Absolute; never ever to die, and the Sustainer; the Organizer of all that exists; the Sovereign Administrator. .
Allah the Exalted confirms that people have adopted miscellaneous gods. So they are a ground reality. The Predicate of La is elided. And that Predicate can be estimated any fact about Allah the Exalted which is not the trait of all others whom people call or consider as miscellaneous iela'aha. The foremost trait of Allah is "the Living". All others whom people call god including Easa alahissalam are non-living; the dead and matter.
"None is living who are considered as iela'aha gods except Allah the Exalted".Translation after grammatical parsing 2255
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Salam,
Your interpretation "excluding" Allah from other gods and for that reason, there is a "Concept of Godhood and Duality" in your belief system, whereas ....
all of these statements denote there are in fact other men (duality, Ali and other men), but they are not like Ali (who is also a man and can be compared or made equivalent to other men).
Do you acknowledge there are in fact other God(s) that can be compared or made equivalent to Allah? (Godhood)
that is, it should not be understood as
?there other gods, but none are like Allah? (duality, Allah and other God(s))
as the very meaning denoted by the word ALLAH
invalidates this supposition from the onsetSura 112 declares Allah is One and not equivalent to God, and the usage of "God" is subjected to the interpretation provision in the Qur'an; ie. Sura 112 (REFER HERE).
for there is no other being in existence
to which Allah can be compared to
or excluded from!Peace.
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Premise 1 Angels associate Allah with Adam.
Premise 2 Iblees does not associate Allah with Adam.
Therefore Iblees_________________________________ ?And when We said to the angels angels <- represent the believers, why?
Make obeisance to Adam they did obeisance
but Iblis (did it not). He refused and he was proud
and he was one of the unbelievers Iblis <- represent the disbelievers, why?
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Your interpretation "excluding" Allah from other gods and for that reason, there is a "Concept of Godhood and Duality" in your belief system, whereas ....
The concept of multiple gods, duality, and trinity is the fact on ground since many people the world over have these beliefs.
Their belief is declared erroneous and this is emphasised time and again throughout the Qur'aan by referring to various aspects and qualitative features of "the God"; and its synopsis is succintly but exhaustively given in Srat 112.
You the Messenger tell the people "The absolute fact is that Allah is the Only and Alone; the Unique; the Solitary; the Absolute; the Perfect, the Exclusive.
Allah the Exalted is the Only Self Reliant; Transcendent, Absolutely Independent; One upon Whom all without exception are dependant;
He in Person never became the cause, and nor was He the effect.
And for Him there is always none ever to compare-exemplify; He is Unique-The Absolute". -
Quote from Mazhar on Today at 061021 AM
Exception "Illa" relates back to Ielah. Allah the Exalted has not negated the relaity of He being the Ielah-the God in English-the Supernatural-Non-Matter Personality. All other ielah-gods are but matter or from matter or abstract thought.Peace Mazhar
What is that red term??I ever study english in my school time years ago, but it's the first time I heard about it.
Salam, Earthdom
god noun
- supernatural being one of a group of supernatural male beings in some religions, each of which is worshiped as the personification or controller of some aspect of the universe
Everything that exists in physical realm is matter; life in physical realm is also from matter. Allah the Exalted is the Person Who is outside the physical realm-His creation.
In Physical Realm everything is mirrored. It has imagery. Allah the Exalted is mirrorless. His powers and adjectival traits are mirrored in His Creation and these existentials are called His Sign-Reflectors-Evidence of His Omnipresence.
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Salaam,
Allah is One according to Quran as it was written in Arabic. If it was written in, for example, English, it would be written God is One.
God = God's name in English
Allah = God's name in ArabicAllah is not God's ultimate name. Allah is just composed of the Arabic definite article with the word for god making it into the English God.
Why would God choose a name that is literally "the god" in English for and not a random name, for example Toyota? "There is no god but Toyota". But God used the (literally) plain "the god". Why? Because it is not more complicated than to explain it as if it was an accurately compiled English book of God it would be "God", ie "there is no other god than God".
Allah is a very telling and simple word that anyone would understand, hence why God chose it. If he one the other hand compiled an English holy book it would be "God" because it is as simple definition for His being.
Like I said before; God has no name but to refer to Himself by something so that we weaklings can have some reference point.
I repeat myself several times but "In English one capitalizes letters to make words emphasized while in Arabic it is not possible that why but there is the 'al' definite article. 'G' in God substitutes the 'al' and in English one does not normally use 'the' to refer to a name of someone although it is having it first letter capitalized."
Allah is a very simply composed word which can easily compare to God in terms of simplicity. Allah is just the word for god in Arabic with a definite article on. In English it is just the word for god with a capital letter on it. Still cannot agree with this reasoning?
God bless you
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Salaam,
Allah is One according to Quran as it was written in Arabic. If it was written in, for example, English, it would be written God is One.
God = God's name in English
Allah = God's name in ArabicAllah is not God's ultimate name. Allah is just composed of the Arabic definite article with the word for god making it into the English God.
Why would God choose a name that is literally "the god" in English for and not a random name, for example Toyota? "There is no god but Toyota". But God used the (literally) plain "the god". Why? Because it is not more complicated than to explain it as if it was an accurately compiled English book of God it would be "God", ie "there is no other god than God".
Allah is a very telling and simple word that anyone would understand, hence why God chose it. If he one the other hand compiled an English holy book it would be "God" because it is as simple definition for His being.
Like I said before; God has no name but to refer to Himself by something so that we weaklings can have some reference point.
I repeat myself several times but "In English one capitalizes letters to make words emphasized while in Arabic it is not possible that why but there is the 'al' definite article. 'G' in God substitutes the 'al' and in English one does not normally use 'the' to refer to a name of someone although it is having it first letter capitalized."
Allah is a very simply composed word which can easily compare to God in terms of simplicity. Allah is just the word for god in Arabic with a definite article on. In English it is just the word for god with a capital letter on it. Still cannot agree with this reasoning?
God bless you
Salaam,
You are still confused with your theory and Earthdom and others have already understood the issue of this thread.
Now I understand the way you create this thread.You didn't talk about grammar, but you differ Allah's Islam from another gods/God especially Christian and Judaism's Allah.
And you reference based on laa ila ha ilallah.Yes I agree with you.Months ago I watch an Islam-Christian debate video on youtube
God bless you
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Salaam,
You are still confused and Earthdom and others have already understood the issue of this thread.
God bless you
Salaam,
So I understand the intention for creating this thread.
In my humble opinion, it is better to rephrase the title "Qur'anic Allah is traditional Allah?"
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The concept of multiple gods, duality, and trinity is the fact on ground since many people the world over have these beliefs.
Their belief is declared erroneous and this is emphasised time and again throughout the Qur'aan by referring to various aspects and qualitative features of "the God"; and its synopsis is succintly but exhaustively given in Srat 112.
You the Messenger tell the people "The absolute fact is that Allah is the Only and Alone; the Unique; the Solitary; the Absolute; the Perfect, the Exclusive.
Allah the Exalted is the Only Self Reliant; Transcendent, Absolutely Independent; One upon Whom all without exception are dependant;
He in Person never became the cause, and nor was He the effect.
And for Him there is always none ever to compare-exemplify; He is Unique-The Absolute".- red is mine
Salam
Your authority self contradicts your argument.
You the Messenger tell the people "The absolute fact is that Allah is the Only and Alone; the Unique; the Solitary; the Absolute; the Perfect, the Exclusive.
?Say ?Allah is Ahad (One)"
Allah is Ahad?
That is, Allah is Oneness
There is nothing in existence other than Him
Allah has no boundary
and cannot be broken down into parts or fragments
Nothing is within the micro or macro realms of existence
and there is no inside or outside AllahTherefore, where can this external god that is other than the Ahad Allah be?
Inside or outside of Allah?
Allah the Exalted is the Only Self Reliant; Transcendent, Absolutely Independent; One upon Whom all without exception are dependant;
Allah is Samad
A whole without any void or emptiness
impermeable
nothing penetrates into it
nothing extends out from it
Allah has no boundary
and if something has no boundaries it cannot have a center
It is impossible for Allah to have a center
It also follows that something without a center cannot have a core or shell, an interior or an exteriorHe in Person never became the cause, and nor was He the effect.
He begets not. No other form of existence has ever originated from Him, thus, there is no other.
Nor was he begotten. There is no other god or form of existence from which He could have originated.Allah has not created another being from Himself
and no other being has originated into existence from the existence of Allah
Allah is Ahad, ie. the indivisible ONE,
Therefore it is not possible for another form of existence to have originated from Allah
even if it is with Allah?s qualitiesAllah is not begotten
and this clearly means that Allah did not originate from another beingHow can Allah have originated by another being or created another being from Himself if Allah is Ahad?
And for Him there is always none ever to compare-exemplify; He is Unique-The Absolute".
Nor is there to Him any equivalent
There is none like Him
Nothing in the micro or macro planes of existence is equivalent or in resemblance of Him
There are no concepts or ideas that can resemble or explain Allah; ie. the concept of Godhood (duality)
Allah is AHADTherefore.. the Qur'an is about us (refer here)
it is about our duties and the system (deen).. andFrom a God who thinks like a man
(God is Allah)
to a man who thinks like Allah!http//tozzwoods.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/Elephant_puzzle.336220550_std.jpg
A puzzle which is not meant to be solved.
(Nor is there to Him any equivalent)Peace.
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Oneness
There is nothing in existence other than HimIt is the hallucination of many. If there was nothing in existence, who would have known the existence of the Absolute one. Existentials prove that He the Exalted exists despite not being in vision-image of all who are the creations of Him.
The only fact is that Nothing is the part or a segment of Him the Exalted
Moreover, they declare associating with Him the Exalted some amongst His creatures-subjects as an isolated part.
It is true that the Man is certainly and manifestly ungratefully denier of realities and facts. -
It is the hallucination of many. If there was nothing in existence, who would have known the existence of the Absolute one. Existentials prove that He the Exalted exists despite not being in vision-image of all who are the creations of Him.
The only fact is that Nothing is the part or a segment of Him the Exalted
Moreover, they declare associating with Him the Exalted some amongst His creatures-subjects as an isolated part.
It is true that the Man is certainly and manifestly ungratefully denier of realities and facts.- blue is mine
Salam
I'm referring to a "definition or interpretation provision/sura". It is a sura or provision that defines words in the Qur'an. Similarly, we have a "The Interpretation Act 1978 (UK)", "The Interpretation Act 1987 (NSW)", or an interpretation provision in every statutory acts; "In this Act the following words and expressions are used in the following senses, unless a contrary intention appears from the context"; Section 2 in every statutory legislation, or an interpretation clause in every Contracts.
Therefore, Allah can use any names or identifiers; whether it is Rabb, Ar-Rahman, Ar-Raheem, God, god, YHVH, Eloah etc, but all these names are subject to the interpretation provision in the Qur'an; ie. Sura al-Ikhlas, a sura that define the actual meaning of Allah.
Why would Allah use similar concepts? Maybe because human beings only understand the concept of "gods" for creations. However, this is not definite and human will understand the actual concept of Allah after becoming a Believer. The understanding of Allah is a "life process" but not the end descriptions or meanings of Allah. It is not something that can be taken for granted or achieve through academical process, but a privilege, and dependent on the level of our faith.
REFER HERE Understanding the Qur'an and Allah
Can we understand Allah if we cannot even understand the Qur'an?
Indeed, IT IS A NOBLE QURAN
In a protected Book <- Who can unlock if Allah protect its true understanding?
None can grasp it
except those purified (from shirk) <- The key to understand the Qur'an
(5677-79) The key to obedience (refer here and here)Rather, they have denied that which they encompass not in knowledge <- ie. made equivalent
and whose interpretation has not yet come to them
Thus did those before them deny
Then observe how was the end of the wrongdoers
(1039)The Qur'an is not about Allah, but about His creations.
Peace
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Salam
REFER HERE Understanding the Qur'an and Allah
Can we understand Allah if we cannot even understand the Qur'an?
Indeed, IT IS A NOBLE QURAN
In a protected Book <- Who can unlock if Allah protect its true understanding?
None can grasp it
except those purified (from shirk) <- The key to understand the Qur'an
(5677-79) The key to obedience (refer here and here)Rather, they have denied that which they encompass not in knowledge <- ie. made equivalent
and whose interpretation has not yet come to them
Thus did those before them deny
Then observe how was the end of the wrongdoers
(1039)The Qur'an is not about Allah, but about His creations.
Peace
About Highlight
First is recognizing the existence of Allah; then comes understanding Qur'aan
Grand Qur'aan then tells them about His Self in greater details.
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About Highlight
First is recognizing the existence of Allah; then comes understanding Qur'aan
Grand Qur'aan then tells them about His Self in greater details.
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Salam,
I don't understand how do you read and interpret the Qur'an.
You can only (ا warn one who follows the message
and fears the Most Merciful ( ن unseen
(3611)Why the words "only" and "fears the Most Merciful" is related to the issue of our discussion; ie. that Allah is One and "Nor is there to Him any equivalent", and comparison on the difficulty of "understanding the Qur'an" vs. "understanding of Allah".
How do the words "only" and "fears the Most Merciful" in the above ayat support your assertion that the "Grand Qur'aan then tells them about His Self in greater details"?
Can you explain?
Peace.
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Salaam,
What is the issue of this thread then? If God is a god in traditional sense?
God according to Quran is the only god in existence. There is only one god and that is God (or Allah as you want to put it). I posted the definition for God before.
I think this thread is a bit elusive. The title suggests that it tries to discuss whether or not God is equal to Allah in terms of word usage.
I must be stupid as I could not get the gist of what you are discussing.
God bless you
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Salaam,
What is the issue of this thread then? If God is a god in traditional sense?
God according to Quran is the only god in existence. There is only one god and that is God (or Allah as you want to put it). I posted the definition for God before.
I think this thread is a bit elusive. The title suggests that it tries to discuss whether or not God is equal to Allah in terms of word usage.
I must be stupid as I could not get the gist of what you are discussing.
God bless you
Salaam,
I have already explained the issue (REFER HERE and HERE) and there is no point for me to repeat.
God bless you
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Salam,
I don't understand how do you read and interpret the Qur'an.
You can only (ا warn one who follows the message
and fears the Most Merciful ( ن unseen
(3611)Why the words "only" and "fears the Most Merciful" is related to the issue of our discussion; ie. that Allah is One and "Nor is there to Him any equivalent", and comparison on the difficulty of "understanding the Qur'an" vs. "understanding of Allah".
How do the words "only" and "fears the Most Merciful" in the above ayat support your assertion that the "Grand Qur'aan then tells them about His Self in greater details"?
Can you explain?
Peace.
Salam,
About Highlight
First is recognizing the existence of Allah; then comes understanding Qur'aan
Grand Qur'aan then tells them about His Self in greater details.
This was about your observation
Can we understand Allah if we cannot even understand the Qur'an?
Qur'aan is the Message-Verbal Discourse of Ar-Rehmaan, Allah the Exalted. Unless one recognizes Allah, His message is of no relevance for such person.
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This was about your observation
Qur'aan is the Message-Verbal Discourse of Ar-Rehmaan, Allah the Exalted. Unless one recognizes Allah, His message is of no relevance for such person.
Salam
Sorry, I still don't understand how does your ayat relates to our discussion. Further, the discussions about knowing or recognizing Allah is totally irrelevant since many are still unable to avoid the "DO NOT" prohibitions in the Qur'an, including me; eg. 5101. Therefore, it is more of a wishful thinking to discuss or admit we are able to recognize Allah.
Refer here
Who is a Muslim? (1) (2)
Do we really have faith or it is just "Love Monkey"? ( faith monkey)
The Qur'anic standard for the attainment of righteousness
Level of Shirk
Therefore our primary question in life is how far we are able to control the ideas within ourselves?
For the sake of testing ourselves and to realize the gods and ulamas inside ourselves, try to stop eating, drinking and sleeping for 3 straight days (72 hours) (ie. make a promise to yourselves). Are we able to achieve this target or we are still hypocrites? This is not suggested by the Qur'an, and only a simple self-test to prove the existence of gods and ulamas inside ourselves. A simple test to realize the flow of ideas within ourselves and how far we are able to control these ideas.
Do the people think
that they will be left to say,
"We believe"
and they will not be tried?But We have certainly tried those before them
and Allah will surely make evident
those who are truthful
and He will surely make evident
the liarsOr do those who do evil deeds think they can outrun Us?
Evil is what they judge
(<a href="http//quran.com/29/2-4">292-4</a>Al Malikul-Mulk .. .are we able to control the ideas (that against the Qur'an), or the ideas are controlling us? Who will win, and who will be defeated? For example.. refer here.
Peace
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I am referring only to your statement
Can we understand Allah if we cannot even understand the Qur'an?
You are prioritizing Qur'aan upon Allah the Exalted. You fear Allah and the accountability on the Day of Resurrection and you will start understanding Qur'aan because it is His Word. Words loose value unless you recognize, rever and fear Him whose words one is reading. First recognize and rever Allah the Exalted and His Messenger who relayed Qur'aan. Merely understanding the meanings of Qur'aan is waste of energy and time unless one acts upon it in reverence and fear of the Sustainer Lord.
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The only fact is that Nothing is the part or a segment of Him the Exalted
Can you explain a bit more please. From my understanding, God is in everything, and is everything. If God is in everything, then everything is a part of it.
How do you understand God to encompass all things?Peace