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    Aasaad
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    When the hypocrites come to you, , they say, "We testify that you are the Messenger of Allah ." And Allah knows that you are His Messenger, and Allah testifies that the hypocrites are liars.

    Most of the people mis-quote these verse and point this to the hadithers...
    Well, infact, it is talking about the hypocrites at the time of prophet who infront of the Prophet were believers but they aren't really believing in Prophet. As you can see from the chapter's name "Munafiqun", it's talking about the hypocrites...

    and my main question

    I saw in quran-islam.org that we should end the prayers with these words..

    Their call therein will be, "Exalted are You, O Allah ," and their greeting therein will be, "Peace." And the last of their call will be, "Praise to Allah , Lord of the worlds!"

    they say that we should recite "al-hamdu-illahi-rab-al-amen" in the end of our prayers but if we check the Arabic word of that verse it, it says "dua" and not salah.. the translations doesn't mention about Salah (Contact Prayer) whereas it's talking about praying Allah at anytime.

    On some of their topics, they praise Rashad Khalifa as a messenger and I was like /, when the Qur'an has mentioned that

    "Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Apostle of God, and the Seal of the Prophets and God has full knowledge of all things. (The Noble Quran, 3340)"

    This means that he is the last messenger of God..

    so is quran-islam.org and submission.org safe?

    and is http//www.quranicpath.com safe?
    ^ that website is a new one which I found...

    ik Qur'an is the best source for info but I'm just 15 and learning Arabic @ school.

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      Man_of_Faith
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      Salaam,

      I find it pretty absurd to fathom that until a specific date about 1400 years ago there would be frequent Messengers, loads of them actually, then one day in the seventh century God cuts all comings of new Messengers and leaves humans with what they have until the Last Day. I am not buying that. Sorry.

      There may be no new book, but preachers or the likes could appear. Jesus came to preach the commandments delivered to Moses at least a millennium earlier.

      Now, Rashad Khalifa does not sound like the optimal Messenger, but at least he might have been a sign for people and also a warning and his Message was very different from his own private life. He may have practiced the religion wrong but his fundamental Message was crystal clear. And he may also be a trap for those who love idolizing other than God.

      Submission.org and the likes that focus on Dr. Khalifa are on a difficult road, but if you simply follow his initial Message you cannot go wrong. Is it not a perfect sign for mankind with a faulty Messenger who were illegitimate and crude.

      In the middle of all bad things about Mr Khalifa he was one of those who highlighted the God alone concept.

      Anyway, if you have a Message to advocate the service to God alone and being a righteous soul there is absolutely nothing wrong calling you a Messenger. But of course we might want to limit the Messenger (tm) to the servants of God who He inspire with a Message and who clearly preach an authentic Message of God, ie the al-kitab. We can relax and rest assured that such Messenger often is followed by some profound sign (generally called miracle) to certify being authentic.

      Anyway, the Messengers are signs that we humans comprehend that there is a God and this is the restriction of their use. They carry a Message and the intelligent take heed. No need for scholars in that regard, only people who can really think.

      God bless you

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        Abdul-Hadi
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        Greetings and Peace, all

        Aasaad, one thing that may help you is to compare original Arabic. I don't read Arabic either, but have found a resource

        http//corpus.quran.com/

        You can use the site to compare words one at a time, and find all the other instances where the word has been used.

        If you find that "apple" has been used in one location, the same word should not mean "orange" in another Ayah.

        As regards websites, I don't take any of them to be 100% truth. No person can do the thinking for another person; no person can confirm for another. Listen to what is being said, then using your best understanding and AQ, decide what makes the most sense.

        Truth will stand on its own merits.

        May ALLAH see fit to Guide all seekers.

        peace

        ~Abdul-Hadi

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          Aasaad
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          Salaam,

          I find it pretty absurd to fathom that until a specific date about 1400 years ago there would be frequent Messengers, loads of them actually, then one day in the seventh century God cuts all comings of new Messengers and leaves humans with what they have until the Last Day. I am not buying that. Sorry.

          There may be no new book, but preachers or the likes could appear. Jesus came to preach the commandments delivered to Moses at least a millennium earlier.

          Now, Rashad Khalifa does not sound like the optimal Messenger, but at least he might have been a sign for people and also a warning and his Message was very different from his own private life. He may have practiced the religion wrong but his fundamental Message was crystal clear. And he may also be a trap for those who love idolizing other than God.

          Submission.org and the likes that focus on Dr. Khalifa are on a difficult road, but if you simply follow his initial Message you cannot go wrong. Is it not a perfect sign for mankind with a faulty Messenger who were illegitimate and crude.

          In the middle of all bad things about Mr Khalifa he was one of those who highlighted the God alone concept.

          Anyway, if you have a Message to advocate the service to God alone and being a righteous soul there is absolutely nothing wrong calling you a Messenger. But of course we might want to limit the Messenger (tm) to the servants of God who He inspire with a Message and who clearly preach an authentic Message of God, ie the al-kitab. We can relax and rest assured that such Messenger often is followed by some profound sign (generally called miracle) to certify being authentic.

          Anyway, the Messengers are signs that we humans comprehend that there is a God and this is the restriction of their use. They carry a Message and the intelligent take heed. No need for scholars in that regard, only people who can really think.

          God bless you

          "Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Apostle of God, and the Seal of the Prophets and God has full knowledge of all things. (The Noble Quran, 3340)"

          Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) is the seal of the prophets.

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            Man_of_Faith
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            Salaam,

            Unfortunately I do not believe so and I think that verse is misinterpreted.

            God bless you

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              diamantinehoneybunch
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              Salaam,

              Unfortunately I do not believe so and I think that verse is misinterpreted.

              God bless you

              Oh so you believe that MHMD is not the last PROPHET? Qadianis gotta love your post because they believe MHMD is not the last Prophet.
              Hmmmmm.

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                Man_of_Faith
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                Does no bell ring for you? Frequent Messengers for thousands of years and then one year about 1400 years ago God decides to no longer send any reminder until the end of days. Not a single one. It seems suspicious to me.

                God bless you

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                  Aasaad
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                  If theres another new messenger going to come, it would have been mentioned in the Qur'an, like the coming of Prophet Mohammed mentioned in Bible in song of Solomon Ch 5 V 16 and several other scriptures like Hinduism and Buddhism..

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                    Man_of_Faith
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                    Salaam,

                    In certain portions of Quran the scripture talks as if another Messenger would emerge later. It talks in such a way as if it could not be Muhammad it is talking about. The mentioning is not describing the function of the Messenger Muhammad. Muhammad was there to deliver a Message.

                    And in other ways all Messengers were not always prophesied, particularly if we separate Messenger and Prophet but not even that is necessary. Furthermore it is argued that the Prophets' era is over but Messengers would arise and preach the Message that is already in existence.

                    We do not know how long it is until the end of days, but my interpretation is that it will last at least some time into the space age according to personal understanding of some verses.

                    Considering the state of interpretation of Quran I would never be 100% certain about such words as "seal of prophets" which could mean within a circle of Prophets, an enclosure.

                    Like I said; why would the story necessarily end 1400 years ago. Would the physical world shine with God's absence from the seventh century until the Judgment Day? Except for of course the testimonies of God's creation, its signs in itself and a corrupted understanding of a book which people have twisted its meaning in and even honest people have a problem reading.

                    Well. No blame is on you as long as you wholeheartedly believe in God, the reprisal and live a righteous life, but I still wonder why to be so sure about things. Like the mind is made up. You might miss something. God even warns about that in Quran.

                    God bless you

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                      hafeez_kazi
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                      Peace all

                      Something to ponder for all those who believe that there will be no messengers after MUHAMMAD

                      O children of Adam, if there come to you MESSENGERS from AMONG YOU relating to you My verses, those who are cautious and mend their ways will have nothing to fear neither shall they be saddened, (Al-A'raaf 35)

                      The children of Adam are those who died before, living at present and those who will live after us

                      "O company of jinn and mankind, did there not come to you MESSENGERS from AMONG YOU, relating to you My verses and warning you of the meeting of this Day of yours?" They will say, "We bear witness against ourselves"; and the worldly life had deluded them, and they will bear witness against themselves that they were disbelievers. (Al-An'aam 130)

                      JINN and MANKIND are not restricted to the YEAR 632 AD

                      Apart from this there is something more to ponder.

                      We have sent no Messenger except in the language / speech / tongue of his own nation, so that he might make everything plain to them. But Allah leads astray whom He will and guides whom He will. He is the Almighty, the Wise. (Ibrahim 4)

                      What language ABRAHAM and his wife HAJAR and his son ISMAIL SPOKE ? ARABIC?

                      Surely their language was not Arabic then why Abraham and his son Ismail were sent to MECCA?

                      Thanks

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