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Need help reconciling two ayat: 2:136 and 2:253 (3:084 is similar to 2:253)

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    Little_Mannie
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    So does Allah favor prophets over others or not? What exactly does this "favor" entail? I suspect translation issues, but I don't recall the reformist translation really resolving this either.

    I would appreciate a full breakdown of the arabic to english translated and transliterated if possible. If this topic has already been resolved, please direct me. Jazak Allah Khayr!

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      So does Allah favor prophets over others or not? What exactly does this "favor" entail? I suspect translation issues, but I don't recall the reformist translation really resolving this either.

      I would appreciate a full breakdown of the arabic to english translated and transliterated if possible. If this topic has already been resolved, please direct me. Jazak Allah Khayr!

      Peace Little mannie
      384 is a command for believers not to differentiate between prophets whereas
      2253 inform us that some prophets were given excellence over others by Allah who does what He wishes.
      Hope it helps.
      Peace

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        muslims
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        I suspect translation issues

        Salam

        Maybe there is a translation issue but the subject matter of (2136) is related to the "scriptures", and (2253) is related to "personal characters" etc. So there should be no distinction in the words or Books of Allah, but there are different characters, looks, traits and faith etc.

        Say, "I am not something original among the messengers <- the same message, no distinction
        nor do I know what will be done with me or with you
        I only follow that which is revealed to me
        and I am not but a clear warner."
        469

        And among people
        and moving creatures
        and grazing livestock
        are various colors
        similarly
        Only those fear Allah
        from among His servants <- including prophets
        who have knowledge
        Indeed, Allah is Exalted in Might and Forgiving
        3528

        Further, ayat (2253) is corroborated by 684 and 3356.

        And indeed, you (Muhammad) are of a great moral character
        (684)

        Indeed, Allah confers blessing upon the Prophet (Muhammad)
        and His angels
        O you who have believed
        ask blessing upon him
        and ask peace
        (3356)

        Peace

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          Zulf
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          Making distinction or difference between prophets and messengers has anyway nothing to do with those same prophets and messengers. People like to fill their minds and lives with STORIES about long gone people (such as prophets and messengers). It is just like favoring one cartoon above another. As far as we are concerned, here and today, we can never know anything for sure about those prophets... all there is are stories... not even memories. So, favoring one prophet above another is a sign of sectarianism which in turn is something TOTALLY different than the message the prophets where teaching. To try to follow a message is one thing. Having an idol in a prophet and filling your mind and waking hours with actions dedicated to the stories of this prophet is something, in essence, entirely different. I wonder how people (religious especially) fail to grasp the difference between messenger and message.

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            Bender
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            So does Allah favor prophets over others or not? What exactly does this "favor" entail? I suspect translation issues, but I don't recall the reformist translation really resolving this either.

            I would appreciate a full breakdown of the arabic to english translated and transliterated if possible. If this topic has already been resolved, please direct me. Jazak Allah Khayr!

            Salaam,

            I am favoured over you by Allah in some aspects and you are favoured by Allah over me in some aspects.
            Roger Federer is a better tennis player then Tiger Woods, Tiger Woods is a better golfer then Roger Federer, nothing special imho.

            Salaam,
            Bender

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              Little_Mannie
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              Wow, every answer is great! I think I like this forum. I will totally post more of these questions if I need to. Man, I am so glad I got away from sectarian "Hislam." It is looking more and more awful when I see so many lies upon lies and just how much the men just write themselves a blank check for life. Even the ladies among them who hate it wish it upon others and are so full of hasad that there is little comraderie without smug "hijab superiority" battles.

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                good_logic
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                Peace Little Mannie, all.

                Quran 548] Then we revealed to you this scripture, truthfully, confirming previous scriptures, and superseding them. You shall rule among them in accordance with God's revelations, and do not follow their wishes if they differ from the truth that came to you. For each of you, we have decreed laws and different rites. Had God willed, He could have made you one congregation. But He thus puts you to the test through the revelations He has given each of you. You shall compete in righteousness. To God is your final destiny - all of you - then He will inform you of everything you had disputed.

                Ranks , works , rewards... are different according to what each have earned? God has the perfect knowledge to make distinctions..We do not.
                Peace to all.

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                  huruf
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                  That may be true collectively, but it is also true at an individual level. One should listen to the depth of his or her heart and not behave out of compulsion but of conviction, sincere conviction and as pure a conviction as one may attain.

                  Salaam

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                    unknownuser
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                    Peace Little mannie
                    384 is a command for believers not to differentiate between prophets whereas
                    2253 inform us that some prophets were given excellence over others by Allah who does what He wishes.
                    Hope it helps.
                    Peace

                    like the answer and reason infers so as well abraham was an excellent model, to musa ALLAH spoke, and to isa clear signs and the spirit

                    please reason when yo learn and pray that ALLAH guide you

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