Gay and Muslim?
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Salaam Abdul-Hadi,
I liked when you said
"For others, it is enough that they are monotheists and do good works." <--- This is good and a winner foundation.God bless you
Peace muslims,
I think we have to break out communication now. But the reason why I brought that up, and it was not to argue, but it was to say that behavior is part of belief. If you do not show your belief through actions it is relatively questionable whether you believe or not. For that I am pretty sure God backs me up too, if you only give it some thought. Without good behavior there is no creed as it is not complete.
God bless you
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but it was to say that behavior is part of belief.
Salam
I would make it clearly if it is related to behaviours.
Read again, the words in red.
The issue is how can someone be a Muslim if he is IQ'TIQAD NOT TO "surrenders and submits to the laws of God"? (refer here)
Do you read?
God bless you sun
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Salaam muslims,
You are almost driving me crazy here as I must repeat myself the 92859285295829th time and say why does that question have any relevance here? And even if it had I have already answered your question thoroughly at least once.
Your statement, even with sterile terminology, is not false and I made it clear that there was nothing to argue against it with.
Now why is that statement even remotely connected to the homosexuality of Bookish and other potential homosexuals if they are mindful of God and follow His creed or system or whatever word you would like to put in here. God created homosexuality so it ought to be part of His system and is not the opposite. And I said that mocking the homosexual or any maltreatment might even jeopardize one's own standing as a Muslim.
Good Night and sleep well whenever it is your turn. Now I am going to crash.
God bless you
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I felt attracted to them right from a very early age.. I would just imagine them naked...and rub my
peace,
do you had any shyness at that point? if you had shyness you would be doing 'it' in private. at that age doing in private is not normal or involuntary. if you do not have shyness you would have talked open to your brothers or father or mother.
the shyness is the indicator from your Lord do not do it. instead of asking yourself to get out of this situation, you started to look into human knowledge to reinforce your desire. there you got your desired acknowledgement as knowledge from the dictionaries, books, etc.
you concluded, that is your normal, given by God and started to find fault with God , and also wished for a verse against God (223). repent to God to bring u to normal which u have not done when u are young. and never to talk about this to anyone in private or public till you become normal.
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Salaam,
How wonderful, curing homosexuality. Never knew it was possible.
Ah well good night I said...
God bless
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How wonderful, curing homosexuality. Never knew it was possible.
peace bro,
pls look into your signature, for me good thing is possible only by God not by me.
for me prayer is more than what is mostly discussed here. i understand prayer is for my needs to be fulfilled from Allah. i ask for patience till it is achieved.
pls read the post there is something to learn.
i remind u with care, do not say/signature what u do not do!
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Salam
Facts
"... And those who guard their private parts. Except from their wives or those their right hands possess..." (7029-31)
Analysis
And those
who guard <- What is "guard"? Scope?
their private parts <- What is "private parts"? Scope?
Except <- The implication of the word "except"? An exclusion to all other than marriages?
from
their wives <- Is it referring to "marriage"? What is "wives"?Question
Whether Allah has permitted "marriage" (or those their right hands possess) and PROHIBIT EVERYTHING ELSE?
(ie. same-sex marriage, homosexuality, masturbation, child marriage, animal sex, polygamy, incest etc)
Peace
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Got to the point where we want to conclude something about "homosexuality" by seeing whether it is normal or abnormal or whether animals do it or not do it I think it is completely pointless. Murder is normal, Humanity has been murdering since a long time ago, robbing also, and doing self damning things too. I wouldn't go by anything being normal in order to draw a moral conclusion of it. Mistreating women has also been very, very normal, nothing wrong with it and very much practiced. The question is not that.
Besides evrything about sex and how we feel about it is in the mind. In the associations we make. I am sure, for men who dislike women, there is some association which makes it peinful for them to even evisage their closeness. I can see that anybody can feel agttratected to the same sex, because if we consider mere physical pleasure or excitation, sex is ragther universal, and people enjoy also with toys and with themselves, so in the case where one dislikes de other sex, there is no doubt that there is a mental -or emotional reflected on the mental- association who makes us avoid or even hate such contacts. Of course there is also the hormonal part, but which is first? Do not mental images also switch on or off the hormones? If we are enticed and suddenly and suddely somebody causes us strong pain, like burns us or kicks us, I think the hormones switch right off.
To say that because it is a mental or emotional association what causes being repelled by the opposite sex, that reppelling can be overcome by merely thinking of it, would be overoptimistic. Painful disorders may not be innate but they are real.
So the question regarding "homosexuality" as many disorders is not whether it is "normal" or not, but what we want out of our lives and what we in fact can get out of our lives. And that has nothing to do with defining this as natural or normal or unnatural or abnormal, but with our own decision. Men and women are lovely, most of us could be attracted to any for the matter of enjoyment, not to allow ourselves to be drawn into that is not a matter of feeling or not feeling attraction but a matter of what we want out of our lives, what kind of person we want to be.
Many time it entails not sex at all with any person, for the simple reason that what we want out of life is not the mere physical pleasurable exercise, but what the Qur'an enjoins, a deep spiritual, profound, sacred relationship, but there may be a scarcity of people with whom that would be possible or there may be none at all. Because also, there comes also into the mix the individual make up and feelings and every person has its own character and likes or dislikes.
So in the end, that also is a struggle a jihad in our lives, to live up to the principles we hold, and it is up to the individual to the make his or her way through them in the conditions he or she finds himherself.
But ultimately we are not passive sufferers of a "natural" or "unnatural" condition, we make choices in life, and rather than choices we should reflect and think and take decisions. It is our responsibility.
Salaam
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What I'm amazed at is how some people are very quick to judge homosexuals as non-muslims. I'm amazed at how people's own entrained culture and emotional standpoint can so easily make us judge others as non-muslim. What is homosexualiity? Isn't it basically an attraction towards the same sex? How can this alone and in itself be the reason why we would be non-muslim? If this is the case, and if just this one variable alone is enough to tilt us over to the non-muslim side, then there must be millions of other things that would render us non-muslim. One such thing would be the habit of judging others.
I find it hard to believe that sexual mindset would spoil it for a person who otherwise believes in God, does good etc. Is this one unforgivable sin, while other sins are forgivable? I find it hard to understand why some people are so confident in judging others. Does homosexuality always imply the condition of non-muslim? We are all full of sin/rejection/rebellion/blindness/arrogance/ignorance... is homosexuality exceptionally bad among human inclinations and expressions?
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Where does it say i'tiqad or creed involves human action?
Definition of Creed or I'tiqad
creed noun \krd
a statement of the basic beliefs of a religionan idea or set of beliefs that guides the actions of a person or group
1 a brief authoritative formula of religious belief
2 a set of fundamental beliefs; also a guiding principlecreed (krd)
n.- A formal statement of religious belief; a confession of faith.
- A system of belief, principles, or opinions laws banning discrimination on the basis of race or creed; an architectural creed that demanded simple lines.
How hard for you to show one ayat to prove a Muslim can I'TIQAD NOT TO "surrenders and submits to the laws of God", and still be a Muslim?
Call anyone you like, just show me one ayat from the Qur'an.
Salam
People must be able to distinguish between "behaviour" (amal) and "I'tiqad"(creed or decisive belief)
being a gay and with an i'tiqad (creed) to reform and obey Allah is a muslim (refer here)
but being a gay with an i'tiqad (creed) to remain as a gay and disobey Allah is a non-muslim (refer here)similarly
being a prostitute with with an i'tiqad (creed) to reform and obey Allah is a muslim
but being a prostitute with an i'tiqad (creed) to remain as a prostitute and disobey Allah is a non-muslimsimilarly
being a sunni with with an i'tiqad (creed) to reform and obey Allah is a muslim
but being a sunni with an i'tiqad (creed) to remain as a sunni and disobey Allah is a non-muslim (REFER HERE)It always require both
iman and amal
faith (creed or decisive belief) and action (behaviour)to make someone muslim or non-muslim.
That's why the words "believed and done righteous deeds" is always put together in the Qur'an (REFER HERE).
Further, there is no such thing as "Disobedience Muslim" or "Half/Hybrid Muslim" in the Qur'an.
Such has been the course of Allah that has indeed run before
and you shall not find a change in Allah's course
(4823)And We said O Adam!
Dwell you and your wife in the garden
and eat from it a plenteous (food) wherever you wish
and DO NOT approach this tree <- an example of the "DO NOT" prohibition (unintentionally).
for then you will be of the unjust
But the Shaitan made them both fall from it <- Consequences
and caused them to depart from that (state) in which they were
and We said Get forth, some of you being the enemies of others
and there is for you in the earth an abode and a provision for a time
(235-36)Adam would be a non-muslim if it is intentionally and without the influence of Shaytan. (REFER HERE)
Peace
p/s I'm sure those who read the Qur'an will not be surprised if the majority will be in the hellfire, abide eternally. It has been decided. (REFER HERE)
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Salam
People must be able to distinguish between "behaviour" (amal) and "I'tiqad"(creed or decisive belief)
being a gay and with an i'tiqad (creed) to reform and obey Allah is a muslim (refer here)
but being a gay with an i'tiqad (creed) to remain as a gay and disobey Allah is a non-muslim (refer here)similarly
being a prostitute with with an i'tiqad (creed) to reform and obey Allah is a muslim
but being a prostitute with an i'tiqad (creed) to remain as a prostitute and disobey Allah is a non-muslimsimilarly
being a sunni with with an i'tiqad (creed) to reform and obey Allah is a muslim
but being a sunni with an i'tiqad (creed) to remain as a sunni and disobey Allah is a non-muslimIt always require both
iman and amal
faith (creed or decisive belief) and action (behaviour)to make someone muslim or non-muslim.
That's why the words "believed and done righteous deeds" is always put together in the Qur'an (REFER HERE).
Further, there is no such thing as "Disobedience Muslim" or "Half/Hybrid Muslim" in the Qur'an.
Adam would be a non-muslim if it is intentionally and without the influence of Shaytan. (REFER HERE)
Peace
Salaam,
Are you discussing with yourself?
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Salaam,
Are you discussing with yourself?
hahahah omg that was perfect!
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Peace
I don't really expect this would come from those who read the Qur'an.
Seems like most people are attached to their "wishful thinking" and hate the words of Allah. Proven!
Guess I'll be banned soon or later, just like the Sunni and Shia Forum. yay
And when Allah is mentioned alone
the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter shrink with aversion
but when those other than Him are mentioned
immediately they rejoice
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If you sign twenty thousand contracts you will not make anybody to be born. But a one night stand can... But we do not want that to be marriage. Too bad for us, we are not conscious of the wombs, not conscious of the gifts.
Interesting, never thought of it like that. Thank you huruf for your thoughtful posts.
muslims, many probably think you're debating with yourself on most of the threads, they just never say it out loud. Take a look at your exchange with MoF...my own personal experience is similar. That you choose to bring up banning on a random comment reveals more of your state of mind rather than anything else. Please read the Forum Rules if banning is on your mind.
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And you just don't do that at all, ever, do you...anyone in opposition to what you've opined so far is probably jealous of your 'logical' superiority, pay them no mind...they see you rollin', they be hatin'
Salam
I should probably ask more unanswered questions and speak from what is pleasing to imagine, rather than from facts.
Peace.
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Salaam,
I asked for an ayat that tells homosexual people are non-Muslims and I received no response and instead accusations of being opinionated instead of factual because I said that personal behavior is far more important than anything else in Islam. And I asked if this could be denied. It is my understanding of Islam that most of it has to do with one's own behavior than anything else. Be mindful of God and purify oneself.
Will you disagree that behavior is more important than religious perfection? Simple arrogance is among the worst traits God knows if you read the Quran the way I do and better very kind and helpful than arrogant and religious strict and proper. Mr. Good Heart vs. Mr. Perfect - What to prioritize if one would have to choose?
God bless you