Gay and Muslim?
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Salam
People must be able to distinguish between "behaviour" (amal) and "I'tiqad"(creed or decisive belief)
being a gay and with an i'tiqad (creed) to reform and obey Allah is a muslim (refer here)
but being a gay with an i'tiqad (creed) to remain as a gay and disobey Allah is a non-muslim (refer here)similarly
being a prostitute with with an i'tiqad (creed) to reform and obey Allah is a muslim
but being a prostitute with an i'tiqad (creed) to remain as a prostitute and disobey Allah is a non-muslimsimilarly
being a sunni with with an i'tiqad (creed) to reform and obey Allah is a muslim
but being a sunni with an i'tiqad (creed) to remain as a sunni and disobey Allah is a non-muslimIt always require both
iman and amal
faith (creed or decisive belief) and action (behaviour)to make someone muslim or non-muslim.
That's why the words "believed and done righteous deeds" is always put together in the Qur'an (REFER HERE).
Further, there is no such thing as "Disobedience Muslim" or "Half/Hybrid Muslim" in the Qur'an.
Adam would be a non-muslim if it is intentionally and without the influence of Shaytan. (REFER HERE)
Peace
Salaam,
Are you discussing with yourself?
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Salaam,
Are you discussing with yourself?
hahahah omg that was perfect!
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Peace
I don't really expect this would come from those who read the Qur'an.
Seems like most people are attached to their "wishful thinking" and hate the words of Allah. Proven!
Guess I'll be banned soon or later, just like the Sunni and Shia Forum. yay
And when Allah is mentioned alone
the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter shrink with aversion
but when those other than Him are mentioned
immediately they rejoice
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If you sign twenty thousand contracts you will not make anybody to be born. But a one night stand can... But we do not want that to be marriage. Too bad for us, we are not conscious of the wombs, not conscious of the gifts.
Interesting, never thought of it like that. Thank you huruf for your thoughtful posts.
muslims, many probably think you're debating with yourself on most of the threads, they just never say it out loud. Take a look at your exchange with MoF...my own personal experience is similar. That you choose to bring up banning on a random comment reveals more of your state of mind rather than anything else. Please read the Forum Rules if banning is on your mind.
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And you just don't do that at all, ever, do you...anyone in opposition to what you've opined so far is probably jealous of your 'logical' superiority, pay them no mind...they see you rollin', they be hatin'
Salam
I should probably ask more unanswered questions and speak from what is pleasing to imagine, rather than from facts.
Peace.
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Salaam,
I asked for an ayat that tells homosexual people are non-Muslims and I received no response and instead accusations of being opinionated instead of factual because I said that personal behavior is far more important than anything else in Islam. And I asked if this could be denied. It is my understanding of Islam that most of it has to do with one's own behavior than anything else. Be mindful of God and purify oneself.
Will you disagree that behavior is more important than religious perfection? Simple arrogance is among the worst traits God knows if you read the Quran the way I do and better very kind and helpful than arrogant and religious strict and proper. Mr. Good Heart vs. Mr. Perfect - What to prioritize if one would have to choose?
God bless you
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It is my understanding of Islam that most of it has to do with one's own behavior than anything else. Be mindful of God and purify oneself. Will you disagree that behavior is more important than religious perfection?
Indeed it is, and so does Hillel, Jesus, Siddhartha, Zarathustra, Krishna, Lao Tse has said the same thing..
Do good deeds that's the most important..Simple arrogance is among the worst traits God knows if you read the Quran the way I do and better very kind and helpful than arrogant and religious strict and proper. Mr. Good Heart vs. Mr. Perfect - What to prioritize if one would have to choose?
"And true servants of Ar-Rahman are they who walk on the earth in humbleness, and when the ignorant address them, they say Peace."
Quran 2563"Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus ?God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.? But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ?God, be merciful to me, a sinner!? I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted. "
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Salaam,
The mistake people make, including on here, is that they over-interpret the scripture/Message and forget the fundamental criteria in it without perceiving it themselves in search for exact details for everything. Quran is a guidebook and not a detailed walk-through on how to live your life. It gives "hints" on how to best live ones life and teaches this edge knowledge and as long as one keeps these hints in the mind while making on-the-fly decisions in life they will be Muslims. God is not a tyrant god that wants military discipline and perfectionism everywhere but is very understanding and loving as long as you serve Him alone and have a good heart as I mentioned in my previous post. Simply gaining absolute certainty and reassurance that God is really real and purifying oneself through good deeds using a good heart is a winning concept. It is actually the starter goal for a Muslim, so more than becoming a perfectionist in all regards, to gain absolute certainty and purify oneself through good deeds and behavior. And do not come asking for an ayat as the whole Quran shines with this testimony. Then I will just recommend you to re-read the Quran... over and over again until you see the pattern, if you are blessed to be able to comprehend and not cursed by God due to ill-behavior.
Purifying oneself you do by being mindful of God and being good. Ultimately the most important aspect of God's religion/system. It is really as simple as "Good vs. Evil". But gaining God's favor takes some steadfastness and God will probably test your faith through various hardships, or rather let Shaytaan carry out his evil. But once have gained His favor then you have a powerful ally to lean on. The purer you are the less God will expose you to problems though as God does not really need to try you more as He will trust you. And this is related to my thread "Nearness and Guidance -> Knowledge and Wisdom -> Peace and Prosperity" where this above point can be seen as "Peace and Prosperity" as you have the previous criteria and actively receives like a buff of Peace and Prosperity directly from the Lord.
Not saying people around you do not commit stupid things if they are afflicted by Shaytaan and can make you sad, but they will never make you lose as long as you are steadfast and trust that the Lord will protect you from them ruining your life. A good believing aura can spread, but it is difficult to affect a severe Shaytaanic infection. The best Peace and Prosperity will come in the afterlife where you are rid of those who follow their own vain desires.
Anyway, be good people, be good. Give a dollar or two to the beggar on the side of the street or the fraud that asks around the corner too. The money does not matter much for the short term you are here anyway. It is just a temporary gain. Live moderately and throw money all around you (to those who need) and you will follow the example of Messenger Jesus. The stingy will never reach Heaven unless a camel passes through the eye of a needle, as allegedly said by Jesus, and it is probably true that this expression was ever used.
Ignite the Messenger spirit now I say, to follow a good example set by God. God is the One, our Sovereign and King. Love your neighbor as yourself, and even the gay next-doors.
God bless you
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Thanks brothers and sisters, together we will make the Earth a better place until the Day. Jafar, your story with the tax collector and the Pharisee is absolutely fabulous. There you have one of the more perfect examples really. I am in no doubt that Jesus actually said that as he spoke the words of God.
Anyway, since when did God forbid as from having opinions as long as we follow His main criteria? When? When? It smells conjecture and military style god.
God bless you
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What I'm amazed at is how some people are very quick to judge homosexuals as non-muslims. I'm amazed at how people's own entrained culture and emotional standpoint can so easily make us judge others as non-muslim. What is homosexualiity? Isn't it basically an attraction towards the same sex? How can this alone and in itself be the reason why we would be non-muslim? If this is the case, and if just this one variable alone is enough to tilt us over to the non-muslim side, then there must be millions of other things that would render us non-muslim. One such thing would be the habit of judging others.
Very well-said brother...
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Anyway, be good people, be good. Give a dollar or two to the beggar on the side of the street or the fraud that asks around the corner too. The money does not matter much for the short term you are here anyway. It is just a temporary gain. Live moderately and throw money all around you (to those who need) and you will follow the example of Messenger Jesus. The stingy will never reach Heaven unless a camel passes through the eye of a needle, as allegedly said by Jesus, and it is probably true that this expression was ever used.
Siddhartha offered more simple advice
"Try to uplift suffering. If you can't at least don't cause one!". -
Siddhartha offered more simple advice
"Try to uplift suffering. If you can't at least don't cause one!".Peace Jafar, that is okay too brother.
God bless you
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Salaam,
We follow a sectarian path where opinions are not allowed.
God bless you
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Salam
Yes, you are right. Personal opinions without reference to the Qur'an is allowed in the Sunni and Shia Religion. It is called as "hadith". You may also compile your opinions and write your own Books or Kitabs. yes
So direct your face toward the deen, inclining to truth
the fitrah of Allah upon which He has created people
No change should there be in the creation of Allah
That is the correct deen
but most of the people do not know
(3030)Peace & Good Night peace
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I asked for an ayat that tells homosexual people are non-Muslims and I received no response
Salam
Do you read? hmm
(Refer here 1, 2, 3 and lots more, which not necessarily to be pointed out each of them.)
Allah clearly says
And whoever seeks a "dnan" (ا other than Islam <- "surrender and submission"
it will NEVER be accepted of him <- Do you have a choice if Allah say "NEVER"?
and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers
(385)- if Islam to be interpreted as "harmony" and as what you have said, then it is we to harmonize ourselves with the rules of Allah, and not Allah to harmonize His rules with our rules. Who are God?
and comparison... REFER HERE
People must be able to distinguish between "behaviour" (amal) and "I'tiqad"(creed or decisive belief)
being a gay and with an i'tiqad (creed) to reform and obey Allah is a muslim (refer here)
but being a gay with an i'tiqad (creed) to remain as a gay and disobey Allah is a non-muslim (refer here)Secondly,
Will you disagree that behavior is more important than religious perfection? Simple arrogance is among the worst traits God knows if you read the Quran the way I do and better very kind and helpful than arrogant and religious strict and proper. Mr. Good Heart vs. Mr. Perfect - What to prioritize if one would have to choose?
(REFER HERE)
Okay if I make it simple and break it into four rules, Islam for you is only the "Afaalullah".. and you set aside the "Asmaulllah", "Sifatullah" and "Dzatullah". Just like what the Christians are doing, Jesus is Love and nothing else matter. So as Buddhism, life is peace and harmony, nothing else matter ... or the Hinduism, life is sacrifice, nothing else matter. That's pretty simple, and there is nothing to reason, weight and balance for a deen, or dealings with various behaviours of human beings and other living creatures (cf. Khalifah). In fact, Allah could just tell us on a single piece of paper, do good! Done! Good Job!
However, does both Mr. Perfect and Mr. Good Heart, or loves have negative side effects?
Does perfection or love "invites fear"?
Insecure?
Depression?
Frustration, abuse, alcoholic or suicide, maybe? !
You are Mr. Good Heart and divorcing, your wife left you... right?
What do you feel now, after being Mr. Good Heart?
Do you able to "READ" (understand) her as Mr. Good Heart?
How many people in this world with good heart and full of love but live miserably?
Being oppressed by the those in power?
Now, how does all that relates with the following ayat?
Unquestionably, the allies of Allah
there will be no fear concerning them
nor will they grieve
(1062)How could it be possible for any human beings to be fear of imperfection or being unloved, and at the same time have no "fear" or "grievance"?
How does all that is the solution by the One True Creator?
You must be kidding.
The Qur'an is not that that simple or like what you think, right?
In fact, I believe you don't understand (read) what you are talking.
You are just rambling, and without facts from the Qur'an (no purpose). )
Okay, so you don't read and only argues.
Thirdly,
The stingy will never reach Heaven unless a camel passes through the eye of a needle, as allegedly said by Jesus, and it is probably true that this expression was ever used.
Sorry, I don't bother about the alleged Jesus saying or "hadith" since we have the Quranic version and it is not about "stingy" person.
Indeed, those who deny Our verses <- the "DO NOT" prohibition in the Qur'an
and are arrogant toward them
the gates of Heaven will not be opened for them
nor will they enter Paradise
until a camel enters into the eye of a needle <- it is impossible for the disobedience to enter paradise
And thus do We recompense the criminals
(740)They will abide in hell forever.
But the ones who deny Our verses
and are arrogant toward them
those are the companions of the Fire
they will abide therein eternally
(736)Peace
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Salam brother muslims.
No offense.Your theory is smart, but you may re-consider again, is another members understand your theories?