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    Man_of_Faith
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    Salaam brother,

    Give it up man. I have stopped "fighting" you. Why are you so unfriendly?

    See my PM. I wrote there.

    God bless you

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      muslims
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      Why are you so unfriendly?

      Salam

      When did I became unfriendly?

      Can you please quote where did I am making harsh statements against you personally, other than replying to your "blank accusations" (judgemental) and your "inability to read" before making a reply; facts of our discussion.

      I am wrong, not a muslim and will be in the hell fire because I believe and relying on the exact words and context from the Qur'an?

      That's it?

      Peace.

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        Man_of_Faith
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        Salaam,

        You have been humiliating me and mocked me for the last several posts even when I have stopped discussing and wanted just to reconcile. Okay. I will read better in the future. Whatever you say is right.

        God bless you

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          huruf
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          You are contradicting yourself all over the place there. You place Sex as being pivotal to a relationship and saying marriage and sex is the same thing. Then by your logic you should also be in support of homosexuality and gay sex, since sex is marriage and marriage is sex, then homosexuals having sex should by your reasoning be fine and dandy and ok. But then you seem to say you are not in support of homosexual sex, why? it's still sex is it not? Then therefore it is akin to a marriage is it not?

          Therefore should you not be in full support of homosexuality AND Gay sex? Remember, sex is marriage, and homosexuals do indeed have sex. So therefore they are married right? This is going by your logic by the way.

          I must have said not less than thirty times that marriage is sex between a woman and a man and sex is marriage between a woman and a man precisely because therefrom comes the birth of a new life, and then you come with this...

          You still do not seem to value at all sex between a woman and a man, that is why you think that it is the same as sex between two people of the same sex. Obviously it is not. Sex between people of the same sex, the same as paper contracts and wedding ceremonies cannot result and will not result ever in the birth of a new life, while a one night stand between a woman and a man can result in it.

          Salaam

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            muslims
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            You have been humiliating me and mocked me for the last several posts.

            Salam

            Don't just say it and repeatedly making blank accusations... prove it. Quote my statements.

            Peace

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              Man_of_Faith
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              Oh God.

              Alright. You have not mocked or humiliated me either. Oh fine. Satisfied?

              God bless you

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                muslims
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                Alright. You have not mocked or humiliated me either. Oh fine. Satisfied?

                Salam

                Sure, it is always other peoples' problems and be in hell.

                I am wrong, not a muslim and will be in the hell fire because I believe and relying on the exact words and context from the Qur'an?

                That's it?

                Peace peace

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                  Man_of_Faith
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                  Peace,

                  Just that knowledge is not all that matters, or is it? Anyway I am not the one who puts you in Heaven or Hell. And you decide yourself what you want to be.

                  God bless you

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                    muslims
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                    Anyway I am not the one who puts you in Heaven or Hell. And you decide yourself what you want to be.

                    Salam

                    You've already being judgemental and decided it, and for the reason I'm referring to the words from the Qur'an. Funny.

                    People like you will have problems with God at the end of days.

                    and refer here and here

                    Peace

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                      Man_of_Faith
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                      Salaam brother,

                      What are you fighting? I give you right in absolutely everything you say so why do you keep posting arguments which make me look bad?

                      I am sorry about the the one line that says people like you will have problems at the end of days. I lost my temper.

                      God bless you

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                        muslims
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                        Salam

                        I don't make you look bad, you yourself makes you look bad.

                        All I'm doing is referring to the "facts" of our discussions.

                        Peace.

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                          Man_of_Faith
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                          Salaam,

                          Okay I make myself look bad. Satisfied? Can we be friends now?

                          God bless you

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                            muslims
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                            Salam

                            I have no enemy. )

                            Peace

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                              Man_of_Faith
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                              Salaam,

                              Oh really. Friends then.

                              God bless you

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                                muslims
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                                Salam

                                We Muslims are not just friends, we are brothers and sisters. So no need to get too emotional in a discussion. It is just, a discussion and putting together reasons from the facts in the Qur'an. That's it.

                                Peace

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                                  diamantinehoneybunch
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                                  For those people who justify homosexuality using "homosexuality is proven in animal nature", Some animals are also paedophiles and eat their babies.

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                                    muslims
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                                    Salam

                                    The reason of "natural" in "human behaviours" (vs. human organs) may not be entirely correct in finding the right path.

                                    It is "natural" for people not to believe in the Qur'an and "be unjust"; ie. "human conditions etc."

                                    And the Day the wrongdoer will bite on his hands he will say
                                    "Oh, I wish I had taken with the Messenger a way
                                    Oh, woe to me!
                                    I wish I had not taken that one as a friend
                                    He led me away from the remembrance after it had come to me
                                    And ever is Satan, to man, a deserter"

                                    And the Messenger (Muhammad) has said,

                                    "O my Lord, indeed my people have taken this Qur'an
                                    as abandoned."

                                    (2527-30)

                                    It is natural for human beings to abandon the Qur'an.

                                    Therefore...

                                    http//s12.postimg.org/x1fv1nnr1/natural.png

                                    Peace

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                                      Man_of_Faith
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                                      Salaam Yuliana,

                                      Did you miss my post to you about pedophilia in humans?

                                      Well, I do not justify homosexuality, just trying to put up a basic understanding for the phenomenon and I also said it might as well be a sin. Since we have not been able to scientifically prove, and due to political pressures not able to efficiently research on this topic properly, that homosexuality is either innate or not, it is difficult to really prove anything on this subject. But we need to have a certain understanding for these individuals.

                                      The question is why it would render them non-Muslim on one falling point if they are otherwise goodly people and wholeheartedly believe in God. They can perhaps not do anything to change their behavior about the homosexual part.

                                      It was said here that if they were homosexual and wanted to reform they could be regarded as Muslims, but if they did not they would not be Muslims. But changing something they cannot help I think it difficult.

                                      Of course I take it as the homosexuality would be added to the repository of sins rather than rendering one a non-Muslim. But that is just my interpretation.

                                      God bless you

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                                        learning_truth81
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                                        I must have said not less than thirty times that marriage is sex between a woman and a man and sex is marriage between a woman and a man precisely because therefrom comes the birth of a new life, and then you come with this...

                                        You still do not seem to value at all sex between a woman and a man, that is why you think that it is the same as sex between two people of the same sex. Obviously it is not. Sex between people of the same sex, the same as paper contracts and wedding ceremonies cannot result and will not result ever in the birth of a new life, while a one night stand between a woman and a man can result in it.

                                        Salaam

                                        ?????

                                        I think you have seriously tied yourself in knots with your argument. Sorry but you are all over the place and lack any consistency in your argument. If sex is marriage and marriage is sex, then that means a gay couple can have sex and then should be considered married. You are the one who is coming with this sex is marriage nonsense, not me! so how in any way am I devaluing sex or marriage between straight couples? You are the one who is simplifying sex and in turn simplifying marriage too. So according to your simplistic notion of sex and marriage, to be consistent with your premise, by saying sex is marriage and marriage is sex, you are not making any distinctions between the sexes. So gay sex is also marriage according to your premise. But then you say Gay sex is not comparable to straight sex (I know it isn't) But you are trying to say sex between a couple is marraige, so it's your words which you contradict.

                                        so therefore you are saying then that sex is NOT marriage and marriage is NOT sex, because for your argument to be consistent it has to work for all sexes.

                                        So then you must accept that it's more complicated than how you have it.

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                                          huruf
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                                          ?????

                                          I think you have seriously tied yourself in knots with your argument. Sorry but you are all over the place and lack any consistency in your argument. If sex is marriage and marriage is sex, then that means a gay couple can have sex and then should be considered married. You are the one who is coming with this sex is marriage nonsense, not me! so how in any way am I devaluing sex or marriage between straight couples? You are the one who is simplifying sex and in turn simplifying marriage too. So according to your simplistic notion of sex and marriage, to be consistent with your premise, by saying sex is marriage and marriage is sex, you are not making any distinctions between the sexes. So gay sex is also marriage according to your premise. But then you say Gay sex is not comparable to straight sex (I know it isn't) But you are trying to say sex between a couple is marraige, so it's your words which you contradict.

                                          so therefore you are saying then that sex is NOT marriage and marriage is NOT sex, because for your argument to be consistent it has to work for all sexes.

                                          So then you must accept that it's more complicated than how you have it.

                                          Again, that sexy between a woman and a man is marriage, the one for which men pay ujur, and where they give the woman a mithaq ghalizan, what the Qur'an considers lawful, is sex what constitues marriage, so it is not me, it is the Qur'an, and I quoted some ayas and I am sure you have seen even if you do not want to recall them.

                                          So no, if marriage is not sex between a man and a woman, but something else, why should gay people not marry if sex is not decisive and the fact that sex is the source of new beings is not decisive for marriage either, then what is the difference between gay marriage and straight marriage? That is your problem not mine. I think that your problem is that still you consider that sex between a woman and a man as something of no value and not sacred, therefore to you it comes as akin to gay sex. It is not.

                                          Salaam

                                          Salaam

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