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    drfazl
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    Salam

    Allah's System of Governance
    Within human being's System of Governance <- what is human beings system of governance?

    I can be wrong, as always, please explains. handshake

    Peace to you all

    I am coming to your red area Please say how in an individual, from his hair tip to toe nail; and from his skin to bones, the human system is related, inter related, their cohesiveness, their symbiosis, their incompatibility, their inconsistencies, their aberration, their physiology, their pathology, their adjustments, their reactions, their sensitivity, his homeostasis within and many more ...

    Please, first talk about human system, then its governance leave alone universal system and governance. You can never reach for an answer unless you have unique understanding ability. In your case it is far away. Keep groping the dictionaries and you will find yourself still far away remote.

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      diamantinehoneybunch
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      Islam is the Sunnah, and the Sunnah is Islam - Imam al Barbaharee (may Allah be pleased with him)

      The sunnah (which I am pretty sure you meant the hadiths written by Mr Bukhari & Co) is not islam. The sunna is sexism, intolerance, violence. Pakhtunkhwa region in Pakistan-Afghanistan is good example to see how people in the region practise the so-called sunnah.


      Peace be upon you, brethren!

      Islam is all about submission to GOD, doing good and avoid vice.

      Regards,
      Yuliana

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        muslims
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        You can never reach for an answer unless you have unique understanding ability. In your case it is far away.

        Salam

        I must admit, I don't have this "unique understanding ability".

        (i) Do you find resemblance of Allah's System of Governance within the Human Being? If yes, how?

        Yes. The entire universe is praising Allah's Glory and waiting for His Command to discharge its duties to man in his favour or against.

        Peace peace

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          ansmeh1998
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          I wonder why Abraham asked how Allah give life "TO THE DEAD" (l-mawt&#257 ?

          Dear brother Muslims Salaam!

          I guess if you have studied Chemistry and have heard about "CARBON". Kindly have a mull in the skull, maybe you will get to know (InshaAllah) as to how the answer provided by Allah to the ambitious query of Ibrahim as mentioned in the verse 2260 has a deep and sustained meaning for the benefit of ............

          But before that if you could have a thought over the verse 51 of Arabic version of The Book, InshaAllah that would lead you to know the keys to numerous locks and to establish a Sigma Bond with The Book. Allow me to throw an understanding of the verse (51) to you with the request to improve it further, as per your own acumen

          "O people, who have taken oath to remain faithful, adhere to the principles of bonding! Permissible for you are the substances with attuned alignment except that are arranged out of unauthorized poaching and that which are not at all compatible. Indeed Allah decrees what is deemed fit."

          (Carrier/Donor ? Receiver)

          Salaam!

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            muslims
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            Islam is the Sunnah, and the Sunnah is Islam - Imam al Barbaharee (may Allah be pleased with him)

            Salam

            Why? hmm

            (REFER HERE)

            Peace

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              muslims
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              Dear brother Muslims Salaam!

              I guess if you have studied Chemistry and have heard about "CARBON". Kindly have a mull in the skull, maybe you will get to know (InshaAllah) as to how the answer provided by Allah to the ambitious query of Ibrahim as mentioned in the verse 2260 has a deep and sustained meaning for the benefit of ............

              But before that if you could have a thought over the verse 51 of Arabic version of The Book, InshaAllah that would lead you to know the keys to numerous locks and to establish a Sigma Bond with The Book. Allow me to throw an understanding of the verse (51) to you with the request to improve it further, as per your own acumen

              "O people, who have taken oath to remain faithful, adhere to the principles of bonding! Permissible for you are the substances with attuned alignment except that are arranged out of unauthorized poaching and that which are not at all compatible. Indeed Allah decrees what is deemed fit."

              (Carrier/Donor ? Receiver)

              Salaam!

              Dear brother ansmeh1998 Salaam!

              Do explain your point.. I have no idea on your conclusion and may it bring new perspective to the discussion. My understanding is quite simple, it is all "matter" and is equal to all living things (ie. 1), whether it is big, small, an atom, smaller than an atom or even space. It is existence. Equally, bonding, meanings and even wishing for something or the slightest feeling is not "0". "0" means "0", death, and death is the reality.

              Say, "He is Allah, One
              1121

              Peace.

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                Zulf
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                Islam is the Sunnah, and the Sunnah is Islam - Imam al Barbaharee (may Allah be pleased with him)

                I know. True.

                But that's not what is being discussed in the thread. What is discussed is 'islam' as described in the quran. We are not discussing the world religion Islam, which happens to have hijacked that arabic word and made it into a name for itself.

                Barbaharee's Islam, and that which is described as 'islam' in arabic in the Quran, are two in essence entirely different things.

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                  ansmeh1998
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                  Dear brother Muslims Salaam!

                  Kindly have a thought over -

                  (i) 396 (mina al-anAAami thamaniyata azwajin) ( )

                  ..........................1 (e.g. Na)
                  ..........................2 (e.g. Mg)
                  ..........................3 (e.g. Al)
                  ..........................4 (e.g. C)
                  ..........................5 (e.g. N)
                  ..........................6 (e.g. O)
                  ..........................7 (e.g. Cl)
                  ..........................8 (e.g. Ar)

                  (ii) 6142 (Wamina al-anAAami hamoolatan wafarshan) ( &#1575 -

                  Carrier/ Doner - Receiver.

                  1(+) (e.g. Na)
                  2(+)
                  3(+)
                  4(+)
                  1(-) (e.g. Cl)
                  2(-)
                  3(-)
                  4(-)


                  Total - 8

                  (iii) 6143-4 (Thamaniyata azwajin ( )

                  .------. (..)
                  ..------.. (....)
                  ...------... (......)
                  ....------.... (........)

                  (iv) 43

                  e.g. (i) Na-Cl (.----.) (ii) Mg-Cl2 (..----..) (iii) Al-Cl3 (...----...) (iv) C-Cl4 (....----....)

                  (v) 415

                  e.g. C-H4, NH4 ....

                  (vi) 2260

                  e.g. C-C-C-C-C

                  ...................
                  ...................

                  Salaam!

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                    muslims
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                    Peace all

                    Part of this is interesting.

                    Aadam was also the one that ALLAAH created to be His representative (al-khaliyfaH) on the Earth - the possessor of the command (al-'amr). This was the Trust (al-'amaanaH) from ALLAAH to Aadam that he must pass on to the specific line of his descendants -the possessors of the command ('uwlu-l-'amr) - generation after generation without intermission until the end at the arrival of the son of man (ibn Aadam) and his universal sacrifice.

                    Aadam also had a vicious enemy ('ibliys and his descendants) who was bent on destroying him and his entire line of descendants.

                    and of course, there can never be 100% truth since we are human beings and there are so many things we are unable to understand. The Qur'an is the whole or 100% truth, but the problem is not with the Qur'an, but with us; ie. it is we who cannot fully understand the Qur'an. There is always much or less than 10% (maximum) in what we may or able to think of. We need other elements to expand the brain function. Therefore, the chances that it is also might mean the maximum is below than 10% truth from human beings. Even if someone knows more than 10% truth, none is able to discuss beyond the 10% truth because he will be killed by many for simply a misunderstanding or conflict of ideas and values; Allah guides to His light whom He pleases (2435). That is the design and we are indeed living among animals. Our mind and what we know is not the solution, but what we don't know is the solution, "0";' ie. obedience, "We hear, we obey".

                    Smart and brilliant people can never know reality and Allah. Because they are too smart.

                    O people, an example is presented, so listen to it
                    Indeed, those you invoke besides Allah

                    will never create a fly
                    even if they gathered together for that purpose
                    And if the fly should steal away from them a thing
                    they could not recover it from him

                    Weak are the pursuer and pursued
                    (2273)

                    • A fly can have about 28,000 small eyes, and ?that?s the direction we want to move in,? team researcher Jianliang Xiao from the University of Colorado told the BBC.

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                    Salam

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                      ansmeh1998
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                      Salaam!

                      Noah's Ark = the Periodic Table (1136-40 refers).

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                        ansmeh1998
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                        (Al-Quran - 41)

                        He (Fission) --> H+H --> H2

                        (Al-Quran ? 20116-121)
                        H2 (Self sustained, Gaseous State i.e. unseen) +O (Ultimate fruit of a Tree) --> H2O (Liquid State i.e. seen)

                        (Al-Quran ? 2130)
                        From Water --> every active thing

                        Salaam!

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                          muslims
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                          Salam

                          I wonder whether Noah is from the Middle East and that small ark can accommodate pairs of all living creatures (millions?, hundred millions?) and their food etc. Sounds funny because the geographical facts and our logical minds is not corroborated with the facts from the Qur'an. Maybe it is true there are lots of timber or Noah walked for months to find trees for building really huge ark that can accommodate hundred millions pairs of all living creatures and space for their foods, waste disposal etc (we are speaking about wild animals! what size needed to accommodate them safely and so that they don't attack other animals?). The ark then drifted for months in the biggest storm that ever happen in human history, and for months for the floodwaters to recede, and yet, it is just circling in the desert areas (10 hours of driving overland?), where it all started. And then suddenly, there are human beings in all over the world that does not look like the Arabs, but they all are descendants of Adam and Eve. It is all in and from the Middle East! laugh

                          Timbers? Trees?

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                          The ark?

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                          http//www.noahsarksearch.com/arkabovemud3.jpg

                          Peace.

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                            ansmeh1998
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                            Compounds formed out of Ionic Bond ? Mominoon
                            Compounds formed out of Covalent Bond ? Yahood (582 refers)
                            Compounds formed out of Coordinate Covalent Bond ? Nasara (582 refers)
                            The elements form no bonding ? Metals (Malleable) ? Sabeans (Agnostics) (582 refers)

                            Salaam!

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                              ansmeh1998
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                              I see Noah = Manu.

                              Have a reading of Manu Smirti at http//sanskritdocuments.org/all_pdf/manusmriti.pdf. Do you find Quran confirms the laws of Manu?

                              Salaam!

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                                muslims
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                                I see Noah = Manu.
                                ... Do you find Quran confirms the laws of Manu?

                                Salam

                                Why do you think Noah is Manu?

                                Do you know who is Sayyidina Abu Bakar?

                                Peace brother.

                                p/s The Qur'an do confirm other religious Books (refer here and here). Many are rooted from the same sources or etc....

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                                  ansmeh1998
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                                  Why do you think Noah is Manu?

                                  Do you know who is Sayyidina Abu Bakar?

                                  Salaam,

                                  (i) I did not say, "I think Noah is Manu". I said, "I see Noah = Manu".

                                  The concept of much talked 'Ark' coupled with the principles of bonding may be taken into consideration to abridge the artificial gap.

                                  (ii) To me, the four dedicated chambers of the Heart are construed as the four trusted Caliph of Prophet Muhammad(The Heart)

                                  Right Atrium = Abu Bakar Siddique
                                  Left Atrium = Umar
                                  Right Ventricle = Uthman
                                  Left Ventricle = Ali

                                  handshake

                                  Salaam!

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                                    Man_of_Faith
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                                    Salaam,

                                    (i) I did not say, "I think Noah is Manu". I said, "I see Noah = Manu".

                                    The concept of much talked 'Ark' coupled with the principles of bonding may be taken into consideration to abridge the artificial gap.

                                    (ii) To me, the four dedicated chambers of the Heart are construed as the four trusted Caliph of Prophet Muhammad(The Heart)

                                    Right Atrium = Abu Bakar Siddique
                                    Left Atrium = Umar
                                    Right Ventricle = Uthman
                                    Left Ventricle = Ali

                                    handshake

                                    Salaam!

                                    Salaam,

                                    I would not give any glory to those Caliphs, except perhaps Ali, "perhaps", but I am still not sure. They seem to have been criminals all of them.

                                    God bless you

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                                      muslims
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                                      GENERAL RULE
                                      (Main Premise)

                                      IF verse is entirely clear
                                      THEN follow that verse
                                      ELSE no one knows its interpretation (ignore the verse)

                                      Ali-Imran 7

                                      |

                                      /

                                      Verses

                                      Not Entirely Clear

                                      Verses

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                                      Believe
                                      Believe
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                                      FOLLOW

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                                      IGNORE

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                                      Follow that Verses
                                      Leave that Verses
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                                      Guard your own souls!

                                      (5105)

                                      DO NOT ASK

                                      (5101-102)


                                      It is He who has sent this Scripture down to you

                                      Some of its verses are definite in meaning
                                      these are the cornerstone of the Scripture

                                      and others are ambiguous
                                      The perverse at heart
                                      eagerly pursue the ambiguities
                                      in their attempt to make trouble
                                      and to pin down a specific meaning of their own

                                      only God knows the true meaning

                                      Those firmly grounded in knowledge say
                                      ?We believe in it it is all from our Lord?
                                      only those with real perception will take heed
                                      (ali-Imran 7)

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                                        muslims
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                                        GENERAL RULE
                                        (Main Premise)

                                        IF verse is entirely clear
                                        THEN follow that verse
                                        ELSE no one knows its interpretation (ignore the verse)

                                        SECONDARY RULE
                                        (Second Premise)

                                        IF it is relating to obedience to Allah and and towards human unity
                                        THEN it is Islam
                                        ELSE it is not Islam
                                        (or sign for troubles)

                                        Ash-Shra? 13

                                        |

                                        /

                                        (Primary Rule)

                                        Disobedience to Allah

                                        (Associators)

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                                        Human Unity

                                        (Secondary Rule)

                                        Sectarianism

                                        (Religion)

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                                        ISLAM
                                        NOT ISLAM
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                                        FOLLOW

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                                        IGNORE

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                                        He has made plain to you <-- Islam in a nutshell.
                                        of the Din (l-dni)
                                        what He enjoined upon Nuh
                                        and that which We have revealed to you
                                        and that which We enjoined upon Ibrahim
                                        and Musa
                                        and Isa
                                        that keep to obedience <- "DO NOT" prohibition
                                        and be not divided therein <- humanity - "justly balanced"
                                        (4213)

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                                          muslims
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                                          GENERAL RULE
                                          (Main Premise)

                                          IF verse is entirely clear
                                          THEN follow that verse
                                          ELSE no one knows its interpretation (ignore the verse)

                                          SECONDARY RULE
                                          (Second Premise)

                                          IF it is relating to obedience to Allah and and towards human unity
                                          THEN it is Islam
                                          ELSE it is not Islam
                                          (or sign for troubles)

                                          THIRD RULE
                                          (Third Premise)

                                          IF one i'qtiqad (creed) to obey all the "DO NOT" prohibitions in the Qur'an
                                          THEN he is a Muslim
                                          ELSE he is not a Muslim

                                          | I'QTIQAD
                                          (creed)
                                          | +
                                          | ACTION
                                          (amal/behaviour)

                                          CATEGORY
                                          FAITH
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                                          NO i'tiqad

                                          as a sect/personally
                                          to disobey Allah
                                          | +
                                          | NO action
                                          to disobey Allah

                                          Muslim

                                          (extremely rare)

                                          Believer and

                                          may becoming a
                                          True Believer
                                          (depends on no fear
                                          or grieve etc)

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                                          NO i'tiqad

                                          as a sect/personally
                                          to disobey Allah
                                          | +
                                          | Unintentionally
                                          or unknowingly
                                          unwillingly
                                          sadly
                                          disobeying Allah

                                          Muslim

                                          (Reformer)
                                          (very rare)

                                          Believer

                                          or may also faith equal to
                                          "Love Monkey"

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                                          HIDDENLY i'tiqad

                                          as a sect/personally
                                          to disobey Allah
                                          | +
                                          | Hiddenly
                                          or openly
                                          willingly
                                          happily
                                          disobeying Allah

                                          Non Muslim

                                          (Munafiqoon/Hypocrite/Associator)
                                          (almost extinct)

                                          In truth they are

                                          Disbeliever

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                                          OPENLY i'tiqad

                                          as a sect/personally
                                          to disobey Allah
                                          | +
                                          | Openly
                                          or hiddenly
                                          willingly
                                          happily
                                          disobeying Allah

                                          Non Muslim

                                          (Mushrikeen/True Associator)
                                          (today's majority)

                                          In truth they

                                          may becoming
                                          a True Disbeliever.
                                          They will just
                                          not listen to any
                                          clear proof whatsoever
                                          from the Qur'an.
                                          Totally deaf, dumb
                                          and blind, following
                                          their idol/leader.

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