What does the Alif Laam Meem in Quran for?
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And We have made the guardians of the Fire to be angels; and We have only made their number a trial for those who have rejected ( Those who don't want to study the tenets of the quran ), so that those who were given the Scripture would understand, ( Those who believe in the quran will not fall for this trial ) and those who have faith would be increased in faith ( By realising that it's a trial so they go more seriously into the quran ) and so that those who have been given the Scripture and the believers do not have doubt ( people can be misleadi like me, i saw at first how khalfa was convincing with code19, than i realised that the same thing must have happened in the past, the reason i rejected the hadith and went back quran only , applied to me, maybe it's differnet for others ) , and so that those who have a sickness in their hearts and the rejecters would say "What did God mean with an example such as this?" ( they get attracted to this ambiguis number keep studing and appreciating a number and forgetting the whole point of the quran ) It is such that God misguides whom He wishes, and He guides whom He wishes. And none know your Lord's soldiers except Him ( Meaning u will never understand what 19 angels mean exept allah , code or no code)'; and it is but a reminder for human beings.'( Allah is telling us that the whole point is the quran, the reminder ans don(t follow ambiguis trials digits )
Well, back to what you said
Since Code 19 is a test to distinguish the ingrates and hypocrites from those who acknowledge,
TRUE
their wishful thinking and they deny "one of the greatest" signs
Since when you juge us as rejection the quran ??? even though we say all of it is from Allah , AH rejection of code 19 became a shirk, more important than the quran itself !!!!!!
their wishful thinking and they deny "one of the greatest" signs, as a fulfillment of the prophecy in 7425-37 ???
I thaught these are all the scientific verses proven by modern science such as the creation or the cosmos or humans etc....didn't know that scientisits or christians need code 19 to believe !!!
Arabs, during the time of revelation, did not use what we now know as Arabic Numerals thanwho made the numbers in the arab language?
ah MAN mde numbers
Quran is not only a literary book, but also a book made of numbers ,
the main point of the quran is morals and conduct, from individuals to state,
the numerical system prevalent during the revelation became an antique abused by charlatan psychics, and astrologists.
It still is, numerical and geometry, both sacred, ex KABALA and no offence, code19Observers reacting to this prophetic feature fall into three main groups
Now we get to the mind of code 19, how they became juges- unappreciative skeptics or fanatic religionists who reject its existence without sufficient investigation;
WOW , do u mean everyone on earth who reject it??? wow, is this fanatism or what ? - appreciative seekers of truth who witness it and experience a paradigm change; and
( Ofcourse, they start counting all day and forget what does mean it is all from allah or allah will protect it or .....................many) - gullible people who are impressed by it without fully appreciating the statistical facts and consequently indulge in "discovering" their own "miracles" through arbitrary numerical manipulations and jugglery.
Miracles? what kind? tricks? magic? explain the miracles
Open your heart and mind brother, what is the quran all about ?
It is He who has sent this Scripture down to you (Prophet). Some of its verses are definite in meaning - these are the cornerstone of the Scripture ummul-kitab" - and others are ambiguous /allegorical (mutashabihaat The perverse at heart eagerly pursue the ambiguities in their attempt to make trouble and to pin down a specific meaning of their own only God knows the true meaning. Those firmly grounded in knowledge say, ?We believe in it it is all from our Lord?- only those with real perception will take heed" ( 37)
Maybe the next messenger is gonna come up with code 8 , because there's a verse that says and 8 bearing the throne of your lord
Nobody makes a mockery of you guys, it is just not our religion, it is summitters religion CODE 19 , they only share with us english khalfa translation of the quran minus 2 verses, so in reality we don't even share the same book, we have the quran brought to us by mohamed, submitter have a quran transformed to them by rashad khalfa, once it is changed, it's no more allah's words, it is another book, i believe that sunnis and shi'as are closer to us quranists than code19 submitters, they're only misguided by a barrier called hadith, submitters are misguided by code 19 and hadiths, but sunnis and shi'as use the same quran as us , ALL OF IT IS FROM ALLAH
as for guidance, ALLAH only knows who is really guided
Salam, - unappreciative skeptics or fanatic religionists who reject its existence without sufficient investigation;
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Alif lam ra
ha meem
noonCombined together gives alrahman = Most gracious
i just noticed onebut these letters sounds more like swearing, they come before a sentence like this is a book where there's no doubt etc
maybe with more efforts and the history of ancient arabic, we will understand their meaning, remember , it was a barrier of 1000 years between us and the quran, 300 years after the prophet people closed knowlege and locked everything with hadiths, so more efforts and one day we will understand, one must search in ancient history, maybe aramaic or hebrew, or ancient dictionaries, if someone have access to these dictionaries as ancient as 1100 years, i know they exist because maurice bucaille studied some
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Allaah says in the Quraan
It is He Who has sent down to you (O Prophet م the Book. In it are Verses that are entirely clear, they are the foundations of the Book; and others not entirely clear. So as for those in whose hearts there is a deviation they follow that which is not entirely clear thereof, seeking tribulation, and seeking for its hidden meanings, but none knows its hidden meanings save Allaah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say "We believe in it; the whole of it is from our Lord." And none receive admonition except men of understanding.
So with regard to the letters that appear at the beginning of several Surahs, they are from the Mutashaabihaat (the ambiguous or unclear verses). No one knows their meaning except Allaah. We believe in them and believe it is from our Lord. However, those people who have a disease in their heart will try to explain the meaning of these letters or try to interpret them. Allaah warns against such a thing, because only Allaah knows what they mean.
A certain astray sect from the 72 misguided sect, known as the Asharis, claim that although the Quraan is the Speech of Allaah, Allaah does not speak with letters or sound. They claim that Allaah's speech is Nafsani (internal), and it is not a speech which can be heard, or which consists of letters.
This deviant and severely misguided belief is refuted by the fact that the letters "Alif Laam Meem", "Qaaf", "Saad", "Ta-Ha", "ya Seen", etc., are part of the Quraan, and therefore part of Allaah's Speech, which clearly prove that Allaah's speech does indeed consist of letters.
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For Exemple Alif LAm Ra , these are letters that form a word, special word, not a speaking language kind of word, but names, so what are these names?
Before Islam, the qrab tribe we divided and ,never lived under one state or system, so was their alphabets, every tribe had an order for it's alphabet
Exemple,
The tribe of Khozaa, has an alphabet order like this, Alif Lam Mim Qyn Sad Kaf Qaf Sin
The tribe Of Amer has an alphabet order like this, Ali Lam Ra Quaf Sad Sin Mim KafThe tribe of zaid has an alphabet order like this Kaf Ha Ya Ayn Sad and so on
So the alphabets are known by it's head, the first few letters in order, so a tribe's alphabets are known by the first few letters, thats why we never heard in the quran , they ask you about....? people asked about mensturation and everything but neve asked about thses letters, it's because they knew what they meant,
It's like , if somebody say ABCD you know it's the latin alphabets, without saying to you guess what these letters represent
Another exemple
if we say QWERTY , u know it's english keyboard, if we say AZERTY we know it's frensh keyboard, even though, english and frensh letters are the same, in the keyboard they differ in order so we call them QWERTY or AZERTY
So everytime we read in the Quran Alif LAm Mem; or any other letters with their Order, we always read after these letters This is the book where there is no boubt, or this is the book full of wisdon, always about the book, and starts with the alphabets of a tribe so it attracts them, attracts the tribe and it's enemies, so they want to hear what is this soura about , and the point is, everytime they read the letters, after it this is an arabic book, in other word, it's like saying rejoice oh arabs, you have been chosen de deliver a message from God, plus the Arabs didn't expect any book and didn't believe they might have a book, for them a book is only for foreigners, Allah never speak to them, so it's like oh Tribe Of khoraizah, rejoice, this is an arabic book from your lordwell that's it for now, i learned this from a friend, don't know how true it is , but it does make perfect sense
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Maseehullaah
Don't acuse everyone who try to understand something from the quran as someone who has a desease in their heart, people here make efforts, love Allah and want to understand the message he sent them, unlike u sunnis for whom science and knowlege stoped at ibnkathir and tabari , a 1000 years ago , stay in year 600, us ? we're in 2010, no offence, but open your mind, i see you have knwlege of hadiths and quran, but you're a slave or in prison of hadith, u can't try to understand what Allah want to tell you from his message that he sent u , u just left it on bukhari and all, u don(t even know who bukhari really was, we only know what they told us, but we know what the quran is and we know who delivered it, ans it is a prophet
bukhari and ibn kathir are no prophets brother, i use to see them like that too, but they're not.
You're a person that can help a lot, xith your arabic knowlege and all -
We have in Quran, many Suras that starts with the letters Alif Laam Mim? any one knows the significance of this word?
Arabic uses a tri-consonant system of words to determine definition.
The Arabic Initials are the signs used to show which signs are used to create these tri-consonant words, to show who received the revelation, and to assist in understanding the meanings of the Arabic revelation through descriptions in which these words are used.A-L-M means 'nations', as in (AlaaaLaMeena).
May Allah increase the believers in knowledge.
Peace and blessings. -
Salam
Maybe this thread help you http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605662.0
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Allaah says in the Quraan
It is He Who has sent down to you (O Prophet م the Book. In it are Verses that are entirely clear, they are the foundations of the Book; and others not entirely clear. So as for those in whose hearts there is a deviation they follow that which is not entirely clear thereof, seeking tribulation, and seeking for its hidden meanings, but none knows its hidden meanings save Allaah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say "We believe in it; the whole of it is from our Lord." And none receive admonition except men of understanding.
So with regard to the letters that appear at the beginning of several Surahs, they are from the Mutashaabihaat (the ambiguous or unclear verses). No one knows their meaning except Allaah. We believe in them and believe it is from our Lord. However, those people who have a disease in their heart will try to explain the meaning of these letters or try to interpret them. Allaah warns against such a thing, because only Allaah knows what they mean.
A certain astray sect from the 72 misguided sect, known as the Asharis, claim that although the Quraan is the Speech of Allaah, Allaah does not speak with letters or sound. They claim that Allaah's speech is Nafsani (internal), and it is not a speech which can be heard, or which consists of letters.
This deviant and severely misguided belief is refuted by the fact that the letters "Alif Laam Meem", "Qaaf", "Saad", "Ta-Ha", "ya Seen", etc., are part of the Quraan, and therefore part of Allaah's Speech, which clearly prove that Allaah's speech does indeed consist of letters.
There is NO full stop after Allah. Check the original text. Thus the meaning has now changed to those who possess knowledge WILL be able to understand the meaning of these allegorical/multiple-meaning verses. Please read Page 85 of Quran A Reformist Translation.