Jilbab [Quran 33:59]
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As salaamu aleykum
You are not on the pad and sure you can use some softness as a woman..you are insulting other human because of you are talking rude,boorisch,onruspectful..
If this is your interpretation to be a good human and a muslim how you are acting..then astafar..
Also you are intolerant for other meanings..you are insulting me with a 3rd brain level but cna't give a wise and nice answer without to laugh with others,to insult them,to be cynical..
Bravo honeybuch..you are the example of a free woman with "guts" if you wanted to proove this someone have to give you an applaus
For me I like more softness than rudeness as a woman and alhamdullilah..to visit this site have a good side-effect..it makes me more solid in my deen and my beliefs..I feel that rude people can't have the truth and God only leads the nice-ones ,the ones who loves other people with their hart...people who are nice,cute and loving Allah ,they are the ones we have to follow,not the rude-ones who think they have the truth..
Thanks that God put you on my way so that I canlearn from your acts what a muslim not have to be..and thanks to guide me again on the path..
I wish that Allah will guide you to the truth and let have respect for other opinions because rudeness is a sin
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Peace sister mamnoeoea.
Please forgive us if we've offended you, and please keep be patient. Thank you. handshake
We don't want to harm you. I suppose we just hope that more people can be aware and free of brainwashing using hadiths.
Perhaps you can spend time to trace the introduction pages http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?board=26.0
There are many forum members who shared their experiences. Hopefully their stories (of real experiences) make you understand why people like us are here.
Sister, from what you describe about 'woman and men', it seems that your mindset influenced by some kind of bizarre doctrines.
Did you learn from books that include many Sunni hadiths as references?
Be careful when you read that kind of books, because Sunni (and the other Islamic sects) blend Qur'an verses with hadiths.
One of the awful things done by the extreme hadiths followers is insisting to 'protect' women by restricting their movement, keeping them in houses, making them not free to do outside activities.
How about women/girls who have to work hard, for example female farmers.
They are helping their husbands/fathers in order to fulfill their family needs. How they can work in the fields and gardens if the whole body is covered?
How they can get enough food for the family if they are only care about beauties and attractiveness issues?
If those women stop working because of applying purdah and hide at home or behind burqa to feel soft and lovely, then who will finance their daily needs?
Whether the imams/scholars/clerics would support those women's needs? I guess not.
The imams/scholars/clerics fond to issue fatwas - act like 'the Lord', telling this is haram, that is haram.
Many famous Sunni clerics living prosperous from the money given by their worshipers, they don't even care that through the Qur'an, God teaches us to ask of no fee/reward when inviting people to God's path. That is mean not even a penny we can receive from da'wah, because da'wah is not for sale! Many clerics seem so blind to see this simple rule.
If men want to be leader for women, they should maintain community security and protect stability, so the women can safely indulge/active in their own community environment.
Protecting women doesn't mean treating women like pets. Women also have capability to advance community. To achieve healthy community progress, men must be willing to work together with women as solid partners.
If the men curb the women, their community will be gloomy and defective, difficult to develop.
Peace.
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Salaam
The one of the reason I do not interested to get discussion with qatif is .
Indeed sister mamnuua qatif is a Sunni.
If she a follower of Quran Alone then why she still follow Sunni's mufaseer like Ibnu Taimiyah.This will be called a circular reasoning.
The example is if we Muslim, the source of our guidance is Quran not Veda, Tripitaka because if yes then our fiqh, theology will be dissaray.So if she keep do circular reasoning then discussion with her about tafseer is nothing, because intepretation between non-hadith and based-hadith has some distinct gap.
Salaamun alayka,
Why do you have for her other standards then you have for yourself?
salaam,
Bender -
Salaamun alayka,
Why do you have for her other standards then you have for yourself?
salaam,
BenderPeace to you too.
Maybe I should wrote like this "If we want study Math, then we must use Math book not history book.
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As salaamu aleykum
I can't believe my eyes what I read from some members here.
Please..pray for the sake of your soul.
In the holy quran is written somewhere..do they believe that we will treat the misguided like the moetaqoen.;what's wrong with them..yes what is wrong with them?
If for some members everything is allowed,why there would be need for any guidance..and the people finds themselfs selfsufficient (they think they don't need anyone and know everything with their own brains and own hands..but BE CAREFULL..only God is the provider and only by his rules and his commands a soul will be saved by the punishement of hell or maybe they even don't believe in hell..and yes..what's wrong with them shalla we treat the misguided like the moetaqoen..
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Peace sister mamnoeoea.
Please forgive us if we've offended you, and please keep be patient. Thank you. handshake
We don't want to harm you. I suppose we just hope that more people can be aware and free of brainwashing using hadiths.
Perhaps you can spend time to trace the introduction pages http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?board=26.0
There are many forum members who shared their experiences. Hopefully their stories (of real experiences) make you understand why people like us are here.
Sister, from what you describe about 'woman and men', it seems that your mindset influenced by some kind of bizarre doctrines.
Did you learn from books that include many Sunni hadiths as references?
Be careful when you read that kind of books, because Sunni (and the other Islamic sects) blend Qur'an verses with hadiths.
One of the awful things done by the extreme hadiths followers is insisting to 'protect' women by restricting their movement, keeping them in houses, making them not free to do outside activities.
How about women/girls who have to work hard, for example female farmers.
They are helping their husbands/fathers in order to fulfill their family needs. How they can work in the fields and gardens if the whole body is covered?
How they can get enough food for the family if they are only care about beauties and attractiveness issues?
If those women stop working because of applying purdah and hide at home or behind burqa to feel soft and lovely, then who will finance their daily needs?
Whether the imams/scholars/clerics would support those women's needs? I guess not.
The imams/scholars/clerics fond to issue fatwas - act like 'the Lord', telling this is haram, that is haram.
Many famous Sunni clerics living prosperous from the money given by their worshipers, they don't even care that through the Qur'an, God teaches us to ask of no fee/reward when inviting people to God's path. That is mean not even a penny we can receive from da'wah, because da'wah is not for sale! Many clerics seem so blind to see this simple rule.
If men want to be leader for women, they should maintain community security and protect stability, so the women can safely indulge/active in their own community environment.
Protecting women doesn't mean treating women like pets. Women also have capability to advance community. To achieve healthy community progress, men must be willing to work together with women as solid partners.
If the men curb the women, their community will be gloomy and defective, difficult to develop.
Peace.
Dear sister as salaamu aleykum
Bismillah
In islam we can't lock woman at home and they can work also if they want but it is the same as we can see for prostitues..if there is no job that respect the commands of Allah then we simple can't do it like we can't start to prostitute ourselves because there is no other solution or to go to kill ourselfs with bombs because some one will provide our familiy with money or to dance naked in a club for to urn something..God is the provider and we have to always pray that God will provide us with food etcetra but we have to be more scared for to do sinfull things than to die from hunger because this life does not have meaning..the afterlife will be the eternal life..
Those woman can work still in field when that is nessecary and still hiding themselves from men when men are around and when it is not possible to hide oneself then their men have to find a solution for them because they are in the first place responsable to feed their wifes..everything can be arranged with the good will..
Woman don't have to cover them all the times but only when there is man around..there are much solutions for those female farmers..
One thing more..when the pure law of God will be practisized then such things will even be not the option to let work female farmers in hard labour work on the field (like in some parts of africa par example where woman are misused by men) but woman could do easy work on the farm..all the rules togheter postulated will work no not when one real is missing from the Quran..
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As salaamu aleykum
I can't believe my eyes what I read from some members here.
Please..pray for the sake of your soul.
In the holy quran is written somewhere..do they believe that we will treat the misguided like the moetaqoen.;what's wrong with them..yes what is wrong with them?
If for some members everything is allowed,why there would be need for any guidance..and the people finds themselfs selfsufficient (they think they don't need anyone and know everything with their own brains and own hands..but BE CAREFULL..only God is the provider and only by his rules and his commands a soul will be saved by the punishement of hell or maybe they even don't believe in hell..and yes..what's wrong with them shalla we treat the misguided like the moetaqoen..
Salaam.
What do you mean, sister?
Many of us here follow the Qur'an, and many of us here don't follow the hadith and scholar's fatwas.
I suggest to not pay attention to posts which you think are weird or make you confused. Just ignore them.
May Allah protect us from straying.
Salaam.
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I suggest to not pay attention to posts which you think are weird or make you confused. Just ignore them.
May Allah protect us from straying.
Salam
I wonder how one reads the Qur'an and say all these things are weird and confusing. laugh
we are all those things, at one time or another.
Peace.
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Salam
What are His rules and commands?
Peace peace
As salaamu aleykum
Bismillah
The QURAN the last message for the human untill the end of time
My only worry is that arabic is not my mother tongue and it take a lot of study in different translations for to exact find the interpretation of a vers..the ijtihad was already closed longtime ago..hopefully Allah will guide me with my heart like He did before..
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Those woman can work still in field when that is nessecary and still hiding themselves from men when men are around and when it is not possible to hide oneself then their men have to find a solution for them because they are in the first place responsable to feed their wifes..everything can be arranged with the good will..
Woman don't have to cover them all the times but only when there is man around..there are much solutions for those female farmers..
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The way you talk and giving 'solution which cannot be applied in real life' are quite similar to the style of religious clerics who are doing brainwashing to their followers.
Looks like you have never seen the real farmers villages, real farmer families, and how real farmers cultivate.
Maybe you need to visit the real farmers in developing countries.
Forgive me, but from your words, you seem like a person who live in imaginary world.
Perhaps you're too long hiding in purdah system, so you do not really see the real life, reality.
Are you one of female scholars or perhaps 'female clerics in training'?
I hope you are not trying to brainwash other females around you.
If you insist on following and spreading the teachings of your religious scholars/clerics, then I better to stay away.
I thought you are a victim of brainwashing, but now I'm thinking what if you are one of the perpetrators of brainwashing.
And you also still not answer (or perhaps ignore) my question.
Did you learn from books that include many Sunni hadiths as references?
Peace.
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As salaamu aleykum
You are not on the pad are you can use some softness as a woman..you are insulting other human because of you are talking rude,boorisch,onruspectful..
If this is your interpretation to be a good human and a muslim how you are acting..then astafar..
Also you are intolerant for other meanings..you are insulting me with a 3rd brain level but cna't give a wise and nice answer without to laugh with others,to insult them,to be cynical.
If I am truly an intolerant person, I would have cussed at you and stopped you from talking here. If you are a tolerant person, you would allow me to speak my views too insteaf of saying people with opposing views are intolerant.
Bravo honeybuch..you are the example of a free woman with "guts" if you wanted to proove this someone have to give you an applaus
Now again you are insulting your own gender. You said a woman who supports women living normally, dress modestly and normally without hiding in curtains are "free woman". Madam, I was not at all supporting prostitution. Unlike some of Sunni mullahs who JUSTIFY raping women who go out and do not wear burqa.
For me I like more softness than rudeness as a woman and alhamdullilah..to visit this site have a good side-effect..it makes me more solid in my deen and my beliefs..I feel that rude people can't have the truth and God only leads the nice-ones ,the ones who loves other people with their hart...people who are nice,cute and loving Allah ,they are the ones we have to follow,not the rude-ones who think they have the truth..
I am also so thankful to God the Lord that I am able to talk to a woman who herself wants to hide in purdah. It gives me a new experience? talking to a person who thinks only hiding women are cute, good, whilst women who work and dress normally are "free women".
People who respect each other regardless of genders are the ones who deserve respect. No the ones who equate the whole women's body with nudity / nakedness.
Of course people here love God. But loving God doesn't mean to live in puritanical lives like the TalibanThanks that God put you on my way so that I canlearn from your acts what a muslim not have to be..and thanks to guide me again on the path..
I wish that Allah will guide you to the truth and let have respect for other opinions because rudeness is a sin
Making mullahs as lords is a very big sins. Sunni insane mullahs also don't respect people. For example in Saudi Arabia there was a case? a woman who was gang raped was punished by 200 lashes and put to prison.
Okay lady sorry for being rude. You are the only one that goes to paradise while others will go to hell, right? You are the one that are nice, guided whilst everyone is musguided, huh?
You don't have any points to prove your arguments. You only use ad hominem attack against me (i.e. " you are rude" etc etc etc). You totally ignore everything I said and stubbornly keep insisting how women must hide themselves to look 'respectful'.
I also wish that God will guide you from Mullahs such as Sheikh al Munajid.
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As salaamu aleykum
I can't believe my eyes what I read from some members here.
Please..pray for the sake of your soul.
In the holy quran is written somewhere..do they believe that we will treat the misguided like the moetaqoen.;what's wrong with them..yes what is wrong with them?
If for some members everything is allowed,why there would be need for any guidance..and the people finds themselfs selfsufficient (they think they don't need anyone and know everything with their own brains and own hands..but BE CAREFULL..only God is the provider and only by his rules and his commands a soul will be saved by the punishement of hell or maybe they even don't believe in hell..and yes..what's wrong with them shalla we treat the misguided like the moetaqoen..
Yes, we pray. We pray that mullahs will stop brainwashing women to feel like their who body is nudity / nakedness. We pray that people who call themselves Muslims will leave their man-made sects (Salafi Sunni, Shafi'i Sunni, Hanafi Sunni, Deobandi Sunni, Twelver Shi'a, Zaidiya Shi'a etc) and serve GOD alone and believe the Qur'an without the manipulations of extra-Quranic texts such as man-made hadiths that support sex with female captives.
Who says people here don't want to obey God? Are you equating God with mullahs that want to see women with black curtains? Who says everything is allowed? Of course rapists, robbers, murderers, terrorists, paedophiles and other criminals deserve severe punishment. Of course prostitution is wrong and baring chests for women.is wrong. Who says these immoral things are right?
Because we do not support women to hide in purdah, we want everything to be allowed? ? ? ? Who says this? I don't understand why some people equate women dressing normally to severe crimes such as paedophilia and murder!You said "the door of ijtihad is closed"
Do you know why Europeans lived in Dark Ages hundreds of years ago? Because they were oppressed by Church ministers, priests and popes and were not allowed to use their own ijtihad. They were so ignorant at that time.In the Qur'an, God also CONDEMNS those who do not use their brains to think.
People here follow GOD alone. That's why the introduction of free minds is Islam based on GOD ALONE. We do not follow man-made teachings that are sexist, misogynist, abusing children, supporting paedophilia, supporting terrorism, supporting sex-slavery like some denominations.
You are surprised by some posts?
Why would you be surprised by posts that are supporting men and women to live normally with EQUAL RESPECT? Please stop equating women dressing normally and modestly to prostitution. If you want to hide behind the purdah, well, that's your choice but do not insert the mullah-made religions into God's deen. Do not make the purdah as compulsory because God is not evil to make women as shameful creature that must be covered because every part of women is nakedness / nudity. God is not like that. Our Lord is God. Mullahs are not our lords.Most of your posts are based on brainwashed minds that women must hide themselves.
I am sorry if this post makes you think I am being rude. But you are also being rude by saying that we are like those who are misguided because we don't support burqa.
Women are humans. Women should not expose themselves like gold exhibitions because women are not objects. Women also should not hide themselves because women are not "precious" objects that must be covered wholly and women's faces, hands, hair, ears, feet, elbows, necks are also not nudity /nakedness.
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I quoted this interesting story from this thread
Read with open mind and heart.Hello respected friends
I was thinking about to share my story since its little bit weired - When I was very young my parents admitted me in a wahabi madrassa-hostel in Pakistan, financially supported by someone in Saudi Arabia(So you might guess which kind of super-duper wahabism we are talking about).
There were many hundrede of these kinds of madrassas, most of them supported by some wahabis from Saudi Arabia. In my madrasa, all our books and even the Quran translation in Pashto and Urdu was from Riyadh.
Anyway, these madrasa-hostels were places were we youngsters used to live - only friday or every second weekend were we allowed to visit our family back home. Since I was in the girl section, my teacher was the wife of the mullah who owned the madrassa - she was a very kind woman of the age of 55 while the mullah was around 65.
We used to sit on the floor always - that was sunnah in contradiction to the western shaitaani habits of sitting on chairs. We used to read the quran many hours every day in pashtu and urdu translation and after almost every secons verse we were taught the meaning of the verses from tafseer and hadith, especially Ibn Kathir and Bukhari + we had to listen to what some wahabi mullahs in Saudi Arabia said.
I think they did not wanted us to reach 'a haram conclusion' from reading the quran so we were constantly fed up by heavy tafsir books and hadith books and always taught not to think but just to go and check up what ibn kathir or bukhari says about it - and after a while we students actually began to like it since we were brainwashed with not to think own brains, so finding explanations from the tafsir and hadith books(no matter how weired they may sound) was a sort of releif for us which helped us to escape from the unbearable task of using our own brain cells.
Sometimes I spotted my teacher crying in secret, and when I approached her she told me that her husband(the mullah of the masjid) just recently came home with a teenage wife of the age of 18! (The mullah is about 65 and his first wife, my teacher was 55). He said the reason was that he was no longer satisfied with her since she had grew old with the time and had wrinkles, hence he wanted a young wife who could satisfy him sexually. My teacher made me promise her that I would not reveal to anyone how hurted she was, because as the wife of a respected mullah she should know that having multiple wives is Sunnah and her grieving could be interpreted as an objection which she according to sunnah had no rights to.
But what could I or properly any other girls in the madrasa in order to help her? We were all strictly brainwashed to hate our own gender - we were made to believe that in Islam the feelings or desires of a woman does not mean anything, and even giving attention to the feelings of a woman is very dangerous - because hence you would question the basic rights granted to men for centuries like polygyny, sex slavery, wife-beating etc. etc. and of course no one wanted to take these rights away from men, hence it was important to brainwash us young female muslim girls to ''forget'' our own desires, wishes and feelings and in stead we should only think about how to satisfy our male family members. Our own right was only limited to being fed up and clothing.Anyway, when I graduated from the madrasa at the age of 16 I went back home as a totally different person. I began to wear Niqaab and gloves and I broke all the televisions in the home because it was the instrument of satan as we were told in the madrasa. I also broke our computer. I drove my parents compleatly crazy and in the end they prohibited me from being alone home because they did not knew what I would broke next time. Than I began to treat my mother with lashes if she did not began to wear niqaab like me. My mother became so shocked that she slapt me and realized that it was a big mistake to admit me in that madrasa. But the damage was done. The next monthes were spend on holding sunnah dawah - calling people to the sunnah of the prophet and his companions and - of course - beating my female cousins when they refused to wear niqaab and threatning my male cousins with hell because they were not beard. My uncle and aunts hence prohibited me from entering their homes since I was using violence in order to make them wahabis like myself. And the only answer I had to my uncles and aunts prohibition was ''Allah hu akbar''. I mean, the prophet himself said in a hadith that if a kid does not offer salah and he reaches the age of 7 then we should beat him untill he prays. So whats wrong in using violence if that can lead people to Jannah? And of course - my biggest enemies were the shiites. They were saying crap about the companions - astaghfirullah - as I thought.
But the turning point came after some years. Once I was walking beside my old madrasa, who gave me the hadaya as I thought - I became shocked when I saw several police cars standing outside the madrasa. I waited for a while in order to figure out what was happening, and I suddenly saw the police coming out from the Madrasa with the Mullah and 3-4 saudi men! The Mullah and the saudi men were looking terrible embarrassed and the police kept beating them on the way to their car. I asked one of the police man what happened, and he told me that the police have found evidence for that the mullah and the saudi men have sexually misused male children in the boys section of the madrasa!!! I was compleatly shocked!
the next weeks I isolated myself and was crying all the time because I was so shattered. I could not understand how our mullah could do that. I mean - he prayed 20 times each day, had beard and everything so how could he do it? I cried and asked God for help. And After some time I began to ask my self, that maybe it is not the appereance or the rituals who makes a person a true muslim but rather it was maybe something inside the heart which made a muslim a true muslim? Was all my focus on niqaab, gloves, beard, namaaz(salah), and all that unnecessary?
Finally I told myself that I would review my deen, and begin to read all the hadith and quran from an objective view, and I did that and found many many nonsense in the bukhari and sahih muslim and I was very shocked for why I did not gave any attention to all that nonsense in bukhari. Hence I left Islam, took my niqaab off(even my parents was shocked by my turning point) and became an atheist for some few days untill I unexpectly began to be familiar with muslims who reject the Hadith. I never heard about them before as I always thought that hadith and Quran is the same, but for the first time I realized the difference. And that led me to this page also, And all Praise to Allah who guided me and showed me the way to know him by Quran Only.Thank you friend for reading my story. God bless you all.
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I quoted this interesting story from this thread
Read with open mind and heart.Hello respected friends
I was thinking about to share my story since its little bit weired - When I was very young my parents admitted me in a wahabi madrassa-hostel in Pakistan, financially supported by someone in Saudi Arabia(So you might guess which kind of super-duper wahabism we are talking about).
There were many hundrede of these kinds of madrassas, most of them supported by some wahabis from Saudi Arabia. In my madrasa, all our books and even the Quran translation in Pashto and Urdu was from Riyadh.
Anyway, these madrasa-hostels were places were we youngsters used to live - only friday or every second weekend were we allowed to visit our family back home. Since I was in the girl section, my teacher was the wife of the mullah who owned the madrassa - she was a very kind woman of the age of 55 while the mullah was around 65.
We used to sit on the floor always - that was sunnah in contradiction to the western shaitaani habits of sitting on chairs. We used to read the quran many hours every day in pashtu and urdu translation and after almost every secons verse we were taught the meaning of the verses from tafseer and hadith, especially Ibn Kathir and Bukhari + we had to listen to what some wahabi mullahs in Saudi Arabia said.
I think they did not wanted us to reach 'a haram conclusion' from reading the quran so we were constantly fed up by heavy tafsir books and hadith books and always taught not to think but just to go and check up what ibn kathir or bukhari says about it - and after a while we students actually began to like it since we were brainwashed with not to think own brains, so finding explanations from the tafsir and hadith books(no matter how weired they may sound) was a sort of releif for us which helped us to escape from the unbearable task of using our own brain cells.
Sometimes I spotted my teacher crying in secret, and when I approached her she told me that her husband(the mullah of the masjid) just recently came home with a teenage wife of the age of 18! (The mullah is about 65 and his first wife, my teacher was 55). He said the reason was that he was no longer satisfied with her since she had grew old with the time and had wrinkles, hence he wanted a young wife who could satisfy him sexually. My teacher made me promise her that I would not reveal to anyone how hurted she was, because as the wife of a respected mullah she should know that having multiple wives is Sunnah and her grieving could be interpreted as an objection which she according to sunnah had no rights to.
But what could I or properly any other girls in the madrasa in order to help her? We were all strictly brainwashed to hate our own gender - we were made to believe that in Islam the feelings or desires of a woman does not mean anything, and even giving attention to the feelings of a woman is very dangerous - because hence you would question the basic rights granted to men for centuries like polygyny, sex slavery, wife-beating etc. etc. and of course no one wanted to take these rights away from men, hence it was important to brainwash us young female muslim girls to ''forget'' our own desires, wishes and feelings and in stead we should only think about how to satisfy our male family members. Our own right was only limited to being fed up and clothing.Anyway, when I graduated from the madrasa at the age of 16 I went back home as a totally different person. I began to wear Niqaab and gloves and I broke all the televisions in the home because it was the instrument of satan as we were told in the madrasa. I also broke our computer. I drove my parents compleatly crazy and in the end they prohibited me from being alone home because they did not knew what I would broke next time. Than I began to treat my mother with lashes if she did not began to wear niqaab like me. My mother became so shocked that she slapt me and realized that it was a big mistake to admit me in that madrasa. But the damage was done. The next monthes were spend on holding sunnah dawah - calling people to the sunnah of the prophet and his companions and - of course - beating my female cousins when they refused to wear niqaab and threatning my male cousins with hell because they were not beard. My uncle and aunts hence prohibited me from entering their homes since I was using violence in order to make them wahabis like myself. And the only answer I had to my uncles and aunts prohibition was ''Allah hu akbar''. I mean, the prophet himself said in a hadith that if a kid does not offer salah and he reaches the age of 7 then we should beat him untill he prays. So whats wrong in using violence if that can lead people to Jannah? And of course - my biggest enemies were the shiites. They were saying crap about the companions - astaghfirullah - as I thought.
But the turning point came after some years. Once I was walking beside my old madrasa, who gave me the hadaya as I thought - I became shocked when I saw several police cars standing outside the madrasa. I waited for a while in order to figure out what was happening, and I suddenly saw the police coming out from the Madrasa with the Mullah and 3-4 saudi men! The Mullah and the saudi men were looking terrible embarrassed and the police kept beating them on the way to their car. I asked one of the police man what happened, and he told me that the police have found evidence for that the mullah and the saudi men have sexually misused male children in the boys section of the madrasa!!! I was compleatly shocked!
the next weeks I isolated myself and was crying all the time because I was so shattered. I could not understand how our mullah could do that. I mean - he prayed 20 times each day, had beard and everything so how could he do it? I cried and asked God for help. And After some time I began to ask my self, that maybe it is not the appereance or the rituals who makes a person a true muslim but rather it was maybe something inside the heart which made a muslim a true muslim? Was all my focus on niqaab, gloves, beard, namaaz(salah), and all that unnecessary?
Finally I told myself that I would review my deen, and begin to read all the hadith and quran from an objective view, and I did that and found many many nonsense in the bukhari and sahih muslim and I was very shocked for why I did not gave any attention to all that nonsense in bukhari. Hence I left Islam, took my niqaab off(even my parents was shocked by my turning point) and became an atheist for some few days untill I unexpectly began to be familiar with muslims who reject the Hadith. I never heard about them before as I always thought that hadith and Quran is the same, but for the first time I realized the difference. And that led me to this page also, And all Praise to Allah who guided me and showed me the way to know him by Quran Only.Thank you friend for reading my story. God bless you all.
Good idea, Yuliana. Thank you!
Peace.
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There is, I think, an error on readint aya 24.31. People usualy talk about what must be covered and what does not have to be covered and run into problems, because in fact that aya dowes not talk about covering, except when it mentions trowing a cover on the breasts. It speaks about making an exhibition, "la yubdina". It does not say that something should not be seen but rather that no exhibition, no showing off should be made of anything, just what is apparent. It is very clear No need to hide hips or legs or anything, simply do not make a shopwindow of yourself. We all know the difference and we know it very well if we simply muve and dress purposefully for ordinary life, or whether we want to call attention. I just find hard to believe that of such a plain a common sense command so many difficulties and complications have been extracted. And can only explain it by the fixed idea that for women dressing and behaving ordinarily is nto good, things must be far more complicated in order to be right. Why? Aya 24.31 is not to tell what to keep covered and what not, it does not care.
Salaam
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Salaam
About female beauty, maybe this thread help you
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605748.0
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