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    muslims
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    If you could rely on Google Translation the Arabic Word has got the following meaning

    Salam

    Does it normal for an ancient Arabs to use that kind of name?

    Peace

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      Salaam!

      Salam

      You are correct, thank you. It is just a translation and I guess the readers can check for themselves through the links I've given. I am more on delivering the message.

      Peace

      Respected brother, you have taken the verse as a criterion to arrive at a conclusion but not taken the correct understanding. There is a lot of difference between this and that. That refers to what?

      Salaam!

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        Salam,

        Does it normal for an ancient Arabs to use that kind of name?

        I do not qualify to doubt the acumen of ancient Arabs.

        Salaam!

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          Salam

          Okay, thank you. It is just my curiosity.

          Peace

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            Salaam

            Google translate use modern shape off Arabic while Quran use Classical Quraish dialect.

            Lisan ul Arab and Lane Lexicon is the best source perhaps.

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              Respected brother, you have taken the verse as a criterion to arrive at a conclusion but not taken the correct understanding. There is a lot of difference between this and that. That refers to what?

              Salam

              I know what are you referring to but as I said, I'm not dwelling in detail or even questioning the word "Book" or "Alif Lam Meem" and its relation to consciousness etc. It is just a simple message for simple understanding, for beginners - title - What is Islam?

              Peace.

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                PREMISE 1

                IF verse is entirely clear
                THEN follow that verse
                ELSE no one knows its interpretation (ignore the verse)

                PREMISE 2

                IF it is relating to obedience to Allah and and towards human unity
                THEN it is Islam
                ELSE it is not Islam
                (or sign for troubles)

                PREMISE 3

                IF one i'qtiqad (creed) to obey all the "DO NOT" prohibitions in the Qur'an
                THEN he is a Muslim
                ELSE he is not a Muslim

                PREMISE 4

                IF one i'qtiqad (creed) to follow clear verses and obey all the "DO NOT" prohibitions in the Qur'an
                THEN he will belong to the "companions of the right". (with or without faith)
                ELSE he will belong to "companions of the left".

                PREMISE 5

                IF one is free from Shirk (1, 2, 3, and 4)
                THEN he will fully benefit from the Qur'an.
                ELSE he will not understand/ misunderstood the true message of the Qur'an.

                SIXTH RULE
                (Sixth Premise)

                IF one grasp the true message of the Qur'an.
                THEN he will find the straight path.
                ELSE he will be deaf, dumb and blind and will never return.

                • He will have "NO LIFE"
                  ie. he "cannot benefit" from his lifetime
                  and "cannot benefit" from his life after death
                  NO LIFE
                  but merely "passing his life"
                  like dreams or nightmares

                Those are the ones
                who have purchased error for guidance
                so their transaction
                has brought no profit
                nor were they guided
                Their example is that
                of one who kindled a fire
                but when it illuminated what was around him
                Allah took away their light
                and left them in darkness
                they could not see
                Deaf, dumb and blind
                so they will not return
                Or like a rainstorm from the sky
                within which is darkness
                thunder and lightning
                They put their fingers
                in their ears
                against the thunderclaps
                in dread of death
                But Allah is encompassing of the disbelievers
                The lightning almost snatches away their sight
                Every time it lights
                for them
                they walk therein
                but when darkness comes over them
                they stand
                And if Allah had willed
                He could have taken away
                their hearing and their sight
                Indeed, Allah is over all things competent
                O mankind
                worship your Lord
                who created you
                and those before you
                that you may become righteous
                who made for you
                the earth
                a bed
                and the sky a ceiling
                and sent down from the sky
                rain and brought forth thereby fruits
                as provision for you
                So do not attribute to Allah equals
                while you know
                (216-22)

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                  Salam

                  I know what are you referring to but as I said, I'm not dwelling in detail or even questioning the word "Book" or "Alif Lam Meem" and its relation to consciousness etc. It is just a simple message for simple understanding, for beginners - title - What is Islam?

                  Salaam,

                  Verse 21 i.e. 'Alif Lam Meem' (&#1751 is a mirror image of the Sanskrit word to be understood as 'The House'. The verse 22 starts with the word means 'that' referring to The House (i.e. Ka'aba) and the verse alongwith the verse No. 3 (23) may be understood as under

                  That is the Book no doubts therein, a gift for the immaculate persons who seek to accustom with the unknown and remain persistent with strict discipline and spends out of whatever bounties bestowed upon them.

                  Let me share with you something interesting about Ka'aba, kindly mull over -

                  The fourteen meter high pillar (Rukn-e-Yamani) in between the 35 rings of brass fixed on SHAAZARWAAN is seen here live which makes the combination Fourteen Thirty Five (1435). In addition, 10 more dots with one have been made visible upfront, if you strive. There is a lesson in it to imbibe; the symmetry reminds us the date which is called 10-01-1435. The date passed away three days before, giving an alarm bells ?life is no more?; if at all one can survive, the oxygen lies in the archive.

                  Stop! What do you say; be that as it may, life is eternal; look! I am still alive. 1435 is in any way significant; I don?t understand even a scant; I am not mesmerized, hardly inclined to thrive. I think you have got hypnotised with the number; pretending to be wise, tell me what else is left after 1435, if you can arrive.

                  Not to blame and not to frown; count it as 10 in a row up and down, what is left is left in the weight; some say it side by side eight; okay! You may call two and four with three and five.

                  I exhausted my mind but yet to bind what you made me to find, not easy to extract honey from beehive.

                  Ok! Cool your mind; take a rewind, one more show with a folding drive. Riddle is over wrap the band, one was doer seen by thousand; be a wise remain alive.

                  Have a look at the structure and the map

                  http//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/FileKaaba-plan.svg

                  http//muslimbychoice.wordpress.com/2008/03/18/kaaba-from-inside/

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                    Peace all

                    And when We wish to destroy a town
                    We send Our commandment
                    to the people of it
                    who lead easy lives
                    but they transgress therein
                    thus the word proves true against it
                    so We destroy it
                    with utter destruction
                    (1475)

                    some interesting facts...

                    Muslim?= King of Solomon -> Jesus = 700 +- years??
                    (Solomon to Muhammad is estimated around 1700 years +/- ... according to them! eg. Which Jesus?)
                    Taghut = Jesus -> Muhammad = 700 +- years??
                    Muslim = Muhammad -> Abbasid/Bukhary = 700 +- years??<- Islam becomes corrupted, the Ummah is paralysed
                    Taghut = Abbasid/Bukhary -> Present = 700 +- years?? from Muslim, becoming Mushrikeen ... almost all. Europe?

                    = Present -> 700 + 700 +/- = 1400 +- years since Muhammad.

                    Muslim?= Present to future... maybe it is the beginning...
                    Logically, someone needs to fall for someone else to rise.. It is the Sunnatullah.
                    OR Maybe it is the time for the earth to develop,
                    and clean up the mess and corruptions. Disaster? Death?
                    Look around.. I think it's happening, everywhere..
                    economy, social, political, environments, dry season and earthquakes increasing in frequency.. etc...

                    Allah knows best... The Al Adl!!

                    Do you realize what happen in 2001?

                    http//astrocycle.net/Earthquake-chart.jpg

                    and the location? Thagut?

                    http//www.bgs.ac.uk/research/earthquakes/images/earthquakeActivity/world_seismic_stations.jpg

                    so We destroy it
                    with utter destruction
                    (1475)

                    Maybe it's time to stop calculating and focus on something else.... yes

                    There is no such things as "I want".

                    Salam

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                      Salam

                      Allah is not our slave, we are .. and there is nothing in our ibada is for Allah, it is actually for ourselves, ie. solah, fasting, sadaqah, righteousness etc. It is the deen, our deen, not Allah, and for our benefits. Allah don't need our ibada etc.

                      Therefore, what is for Allah?

                      All that we do is for ourselves, and there is nothing for Allah.

                      Who is Lord?

                      Isn't He is the One who supposed to be our Lord?

                      This is the factor that determines the "attain that permanent state of spiritual peace", and it is in conflict with the Sunnatullah, ie. 1 & 1.

                      http//1.bp.blogspot.com/-Dr9O-0OZ1nE/Uo-H14PMmPI/AAAAAAAABO8/1ZVzfVv6VjU/s1600/sincerity.png

                      The Qur'anic standard for the attainment of righteousness

                      Free ourselves from Shirk

                      Therefore

                      When we want to start cooking?

                      Delicious food combinations with pure heart and justly balanced recipes

                      Peace

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                        Below is the verse 33 of chapter 3 of Al-Quran

                        (Transliteration - Inna Allaha istafa adama wanoohan waala ibraheema waala AAimrana AAala alAAalameena)

                        Renowned scholar Mr. Farook Malik has understood the above verse as follows

                        ?Indeed Allah exalted Adam, Noah, the family of Abraham and the family of Imran above all the worlds.?

                        http//www.islamawakened.com/quran/3/33/default.htm

                        The terms ? ?exalted? and ?above all the worlds? in the said verse led me to think over again and again. By the Grace of Allah, my efforts did not go in vain. I find a lot of say what poured down of my brain. If I say plain, the worlds refer to our bodily system; thanks to the elements that work in tandem. The four elements out of all actually sing the anthem. To end the mayhem, let me introduce with the exalted element; take a look what are below that I present

                        Hydrogen ? Adam
                        Nitrogen ? Noah
                        Carbon Family ? Aal-e-Ibrahim
                        Oxygen Family ? Aal-e-Imran

                        Our bodily machines require nutrients including vitamins to keep us safe and sound. Have a thought what they are made of and how they are bound? If permitted, I may share what I have found. Be careful, you may get astound

                        Four major nutrients are (i) Water (ii) Carbohydrate (iii) Fat and (iv) Protein. Apart from that we need ?Vitamin?. I hope you got a glimpse what I mean. Look at the structure, how it is seen

                        (i) Water consisting of Hydrogen (H) and Oxygen (O) i.e. Adam and Aal-e-Imran.

                        (ii) Carbohydrate consisting of Carbon (C), Hydrogen (H), and Oxygen (O) i.e. Aal-e-Ibrahim, Adam and Aal-e-Imran.

                        (iii) Fats also consist of Carbon (C), Hydrogen (H), and Oxygen (O) i.e. Aal-e-Ibrahim, Adam and Aal-e-Imran.

                        (iv) Proteins consist of, Hydrogen (H), Nitrogen (N), Carbon (C) and Oxygen (O) i.e. Adam, Noah, Aal-e-Ibrahim, and Aal-e-Imran.

                        (v) Vitamins consist of a combination of elements from amongst Hydrogen (H), Nitrogen (N), Carbon (C) and Oxygen (O) i.e. Adam, Noah, Aal-e-Ibrahim, and Aal-e-Imran. Out of the total vitamins, Vitamin B and C are water soluble.

                        The impeccable principles that Almighty God suggested in His Book all through the ages was utterly misunderstood by the so called sages. They claimed to be the bearer of light, but actually taught us to fight. They never nurtured the soul but made us to resort to foul. They sought to drive the folk to be habitual without any sense; not to find the truth but stick to ritual and nonsense. Science has actually done the tricks, setting aside speculations broken the bricks. We need to understand the embedded pattern, for which we require the insight not a lantern. If we want not to let our efforts go down the drain, we will have to use the brain repeat use the brain.

                        Salaam!

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                          The external elements are for the external world, different parts, different languages. It might bring focus, excitement etc but will just keep us busy and reaching nowhere. In fact, farther away... just like the above picture and becoming spices pile up in warehouses. No real value or satisfaction. In actuality, we need real foods, lights.

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                            Salaam,

                            You know limited is what? It is (i) Concrete Knowledge (ii) Conceptual Understanding (iii) Reach
                            What is unlimited is ? (i) Wish & Speculation (ii) Guess & Conjecture (iii) Argument & Ego (iv) Pretension & Supremacy (v) Lie & Rejection.

                            Applies to all without exception barring .......................

                            Salaam!

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                              It's up to you.. these are only my views, and many have practiced it for thousand of years. Some call it lights, other call it an aura or else but never it produce or refer to the same since different belief and practices will produces different waves and lights.. many doors, different keys.

                              light upon light

                              Cannot pass through, too much weight and loads for the journey.... 100%+, not even 99.9%

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                                and the location? Thagut?

                                http//www.bgs.ac.uk/research/earthquakes/images/earthquakeActivity/world_seismic_stations.jpg

                                What is this map showing??

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                                  Earthquakes activity, and it is actually started in the year of 2000.

                                  http//www.bgs.ac.uk/research/earthquakes/

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                                    Iblees
                                    He refused <- Main Premise Disobedience
                                    and was arrogant <- Secondary Premise The God inside ourselves (2543) (4523) (334)
                                    and became of the disbelievers <- Conclusion The main reason why Allah destined certain people to become the disbelievers
                                    (234) Yes, "destined".. because Allah Knower of all things, and no one can fool Allah

                                    And you cannot guide the blind away from their error
                                    You will only make hear those who believe in Our verses
                                    so they are Muslims <- Reason for receiving guidance from Allah, ie. always ready to obey Allah
                                    (3053) Otherwise, no use for Allah to guide them.. waste of time

                                    Now, as a matter of philosophical statement...

                                    This is the self

                                    the number one enemy that's been living in our bodies

                                    our ego or arrogance

                                    (final stage or battle)

                                    http//www.freeimagehosting.net/newuploads/jtwpd.png

                                    We will understand reality once we are able to kill the above monster...

                                    but how can we kill if we can't even realize that he is existed in ourselves?

                                    The invisible enemy.... tempt

                                    http//s12.postimg.org/kyqnw00yh/glass.png

                                    and it is surely against positivism, nope.. totally not that one.. nope

                                    Surely this is indeed what is the evident trial
                                    (<a href="http//quran.com/37/106">37106</a&gt

                                    Do the people think
                                    that they will be left to say,
                                    "We believe"
                                    and they will not be tried?

                                    But We have certainly tried those before them
                                    and Allah will surely make evident
                                    those who are truthful
                                    and He will surely make evident
                                    the liars

                                    Or do those who do evil deeds think they can outrun Us?
                                    Evil is what they judge
                                    (<a href="http//quran.com/29/2-4">292-4</a&gt

                                    Or do you think that you will enter Paradise
                                    while such has not yet come to you
                                    as came to those who passed on before you?

                                    They were touched by poverty
                                    and hardship
                                    and were shaken
                                    until messenger
                                    and those who believed with him said
                                    "When is the help of Allah ?"
                                    Unquestionably, the help of Allah is near
                                    (<a href="http//quran.com/2/214">2214</a&gt

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                                      I believe the true meaning of Islam is not "Submission"
                                      The true meaning of Islam is "Assimilation"

                                      This is so since Allah's commands and prohibitions have its awwaliyah (priority)
                                      it takes time for its implementation
                                      and it has no end or beginning

                                      Looks around and see
                                      How a seed grows into tree
                                      How baby grows into an adult
                                      How a drop of water becoming rivers and oceans
                                      How Allah creates this universe etc...

                                      It all has its steps and takes time to be implemented

                                      Contradictorily, submission will create tension in the society for conflict of human values
                                      Submission will creates sectarianism, religions, conflicts and wars etc
                                      Submission is focusing on compliance and targeting the end or perfection
                                      Submission is religion

                                      On the other hand, "assimilation" are focusing on the value of balance and justice in the society
                                      Assimilation will create peace and harmony
                                      Assimilation is not conformity, and it is not uniformity
                                      Assimilation brings new elements to mix and neutralize other elements
                                      Assimilation has no end, and it has no beginning
                                      It is beauty and perfection, and it is the deen (system of life)
                                      It is the Deen of Islam

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                                        mohamad_itani
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                                        islam=?
                                        deen=?
                                        iman=?
                                        kufur=?
                                        they all belong to the same group. to know one you must know the other.
                                        this is not about ideology .i will not post the meanings for it is clear in the Quran.
                                        look up KUFUR and the result .
                                        and look up Iman and the results.
                                        then one will know what is islam .
                                        you are right islam does not mean submission.the word in engish does not do the quranic word justice and results in a weak translation.
                                        peace to you all.

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                                          David_Saidi
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                                          Agreed

                                          The word "Islam" even it has root sad-lam-mim like salam, sallama, but this word has no meaning nor existed in Arabic grammar.
                                          Just like the word YHVH in Hebrew.

                                          Islam is the name of our deen/religion/creed/system (319)

                                          Peace be with you

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