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    khadija1
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    still-born, miscarried, or aborted babies after they die (i mean in a spiritual sense)? i keep wondering..

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      Jaxal
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      SaLaM khadija

      Since they have not commited any sins, they go to heaven. Well, they never had the chance to commit sins. Lucky lucky babies!

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        SwedenMajidah
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        Salaam Sis Khadijah,

        No one knows except Allah swt.

        Peace
        Sis Majidah

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          Jaxal
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          SaLaM My Lovely Sweet Cutie Sis

          WEll, think about it, If a person didnt have a chance to commit any sins, then wont he/she go to heaven?

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            SwedenMajidah
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            Salaam Dear Sweet br Jaxal,

            Well I hope they go to heaven, what heaven now is!?

            How can we know that when we haven't been there!?

            Peace
            Sis Majidah

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              Jaxal
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              SaLaM My Lovely Cutie Sweet Sis

              WEll, we kow they will go to heaven becoz God says so. If a person hasnt sinned, then he/she has no reason to go to hell. Dont you think?

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                SwedenMajidah
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                Salaam Sweet Br Jaxal,

                Well it doesn't matter what God says because if we don't know what it is then we can't really discuss it.

                Heaven seems to be good and Hell seems to be bad yeah that's all we know!

                Peace
                Sis Majidah

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                  jonny_k
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                  SaLaM My Lovely Cutie Sweet Sis

                  WEll, we kow they will go to heaven becoz God says so. If a person hasnt sinned, then he/she has no reason to go to hell. Dont you think?

                  Khi- Salam. I dont think babies have souls as yet. They are merely machines. As far as i remember i came into this world when my body was at the age of four i.e. in 1986 which coincidentally or not coincides with the year RK delivered his message to the world to follow GOD Alone through Qurn Alone and that is what i remember now, if only slightly, was the prram on TV when I,the real self NOT the body, got sight of the world. However you are right even after that people wont go to hell until they reach maturity which according to the Quran is the age of 40
                  40 The Age of Decision*

                  We enjoined the human being to honor his parents. His mother bore him arduously, gave birth to him arduously, and took intimate care of him for thirty months. When he reaches maturity, and reaches the age of forty, he should say, "My Lord, direct me to appreciate the blessings You have bestowed upon me and upon my parents, and to do the righteous works that please You. Let my children be righteous as well. I have repented to You; I am a submitter."

                  Thus we see a connection given in the Quran btw maturity and the age of 40 and we are thus logically not mature enough before that age in order to be thrown into hell. You and I myself am still way beyond that age and weve got a lt more to learn. Then when we reach that age we shall have to make our final decision. Submit ourselves to GOD or be doomed. And please dont argue regarding criminals who die below the age of forty. GOD knows best who deserves heaven and who doesnt and He controls life and death. GOD Bless!

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                    Jaxal
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                    SaLaM idmkhizar

                    You dont think babies have soul? How wrong you are. And no where in the Quran does God says he wont throw us in hell if we die before the age of 40. So that bit is just ridiculous.

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                      SaLaM idmkhizar

                      You dont think babies have soul? How wrong you are. And no where in the Quran does God says he wont throw us in hell if we die before the age of 40. So that bit is just ridiculous.

                      Khi- Salam. GOD says the age of maturity is 40. Will it be logical for GOD to throw us into hell before we have properly matured? I dont think so. And also how do you know babies have souls. I dont believe my body had, at least i dont remember myself as a baby and so i say I wasnt there, just my body. If you think that you were there while your body was a baby, fine. If you think that i disregard babies just because i say that they dont have a soul then your sadly mistaken. Im very strictly against abortion and consider it equivalent to murder. That doesnt mean that the fetus necessrily has a soul already but that it is PROBABLY, from our relative point of view, where GOD would fuse a soul to in the future. Got that? GOD Bless!

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                        Jaxal
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                        SaLaM idmkhizar

                        Yea brother, i completely disagree with that. Babies have soul. And GOD WILL throw our butts in hell if we dont follow Him, 40 or no 40.

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                          jonny_k
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                          SaLaM idmkhizar

                          Yea brother, i completely disagree with that. Babies have soul. And GOD WILL throw our butts in hell if we dont follow Him, 40 or no 40.

                          Khi- Salam. I dont agree with that. Wer not fully mature as that and hence cannot logically be fully responsible for our deeds. It doesnt make sense. 12 year old children are not thrown into jail for murdering someone. Similaly in GOD's sight people mature at 40. And what makes you so sure babies have souls? GOD Bless!

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                            Jaxal
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                            SaLaM idmkhizar

                            I dont know who i asked this question to, but i will ask you this. If you had never known about God, would you think that murdering, raping, stealing... etc etc are all bad things?

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                              SaLaM idmkhizar

                              I dont know who i asked this question to, but i will ask you this. If you had never known about God, would you think that murdering, raping, stealing... etc etc are all bad things?

                              Khi- Salam. The first part of the question is conflicting with the second since yes the codes that these things you mentioned in the second part are bad are planted in our DNA but so is the recognition of GOD. So it doesnt make sense to say that if you had never known about GOD since we all are born with innate knowledge of GOD
                              Recall that your Lord summoned all the descendants of Adam, and had them bear witness for themselves "Am I not your Lord?" They all said, "Yes. We bear witness." Thus, you cannot say on the Day of Resurrection, "We were not aware of this."
                              People later mostly reject or rather ignore GOD because they are unsatisfied with their lifes and become ungrateful. GOD Bless!

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                                Jaxal
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                                SaLam idmkhizar

                                That answers the question. We are BORN with the knowledge of right and wrong. So to say, we werent aware of it until we hit 40, is BS.

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