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SAY NO to Bigotism & Bigotists!

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    For you is your deen <- Sectarianism (religion), Bigotism, the Bigotists
    and for me is my deen <- Just and balance (righteousness),
    (109) regardless of religions/tribes etc

    (refer here and here, 1, 2, 3)

    And whoever seeks a "dnan" (&#1575 other than Islam
    it will NEVER be accepted of him
    and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers
    (<a href="http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=3&verse=85">385</a&gt

    http//s13.postimg.org/f0sag5q85/solat.png

    In your very humble opinion.

    Stop inferring to things in accordance to your own interpretation.

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      muslims
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      Then, give reasons.. from the Quran.

      and please ... no rambling with personal opinions or wishful thinking,

      I'm not interested in discussing "your opinions".

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        Indeed, the worst of living creatures
        in the sight of Allah
        are the deaf
        and dumb
        who do not use reason
        (822)

        What is reasoning?

        CLEAR Authority

        RULE No valid argument can have one or more false premises and a true conclusion, garbage in garbage out.

        http//s8.postimg.org/t7xckvyz9/logic.png

        Quranic Logic

        T = True
        F = False
        X = Premise 1 (verses from the Quran)
        Y = Premise 2 (facts or issue)
        X+Y = Conclusion (decision)

        And DO NOT <- Allah say "DO NOT", obey or disobey? Islam or Deniers?
        mix <- " X " or " Y " section
        the Truth <- symbol " T " above
        with Falsehood <- symbol "F " above
        (242)

        O People of the Scripture
        why do you confuse
        the Truth <- symbol " T " above
        with Falsehood <- symbol "F " above
        (371)

        Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an?
        If it had been from other than Allah
        they would have found within it much contradiction <- one or more false premises
        (482)

        "Not entirely clear verse" must be explained by the "entirely clear verses" from the Quran itself so that the words become "entirely clear verses". The words "signs" must refer to "Ayat" or verses from the Quran. It is the signs specifically (clearly) mentioned by Allah in the Qur'an. This is the "main premises" from the Qur'an and the basis that Allah wants human to start their comparison or reasoning and learn from. Therefore, it is the "actual literal passages", and then expand from there, from the "Muhkamat" and not the "Mutasyaabihat" (Allah's trap) (37) (1039). This is so since everything must start from the Qur'an (constitution) and the meaning expands from the Qur'an according to the types of ayat and its "priority (awwaliyah)".

        Therefore conclusion from wrong methodology are not reasoning, in fact fallacy or deceiving conclusions ... and to deceive means

        And DO NOT argue <- Allah says "DO NOT", obey or disobey? Islam or else?
        on behalf of those
        who deceive themselves
        Indeed, Allah loves not
        one who is a habitually sinful deceiver <- ALL FALSE premises
        (4107) or combination of
        TRUE and FALSE premises.
        Therefore, FALSE conclusion.
        = Fallacy, Deceiver. (822)

        example...

        Further and according to the rules of logic, which is similar as to what is in the Qur'an... if one or more of your premises from the Qur'an is FALSE, then your conclusion cannot be TRUE. All of your premises must be TRUE for you to have a TRUE conclusion. Therefore, it is quite simple; ie. if one of your premises is FALSE, then your conclusion is FALSE. Applying the rules, the deletion of two verses from the Qur'an after Allah says the Qur'an has been perfected is absolutely FALSE premises, therefore FALSE conclusion. Garbage in garbage out. I will not believe in the conclusion even if he is Muhammad (6944-47) (1015).

        The significance of clear authority

        What is with you?
        How do you make judgement?
        Then will you not be reminded?
        Or do you have a clear authority?
        (37154-156)

        These, our people, have taken besides Him deities
        Why do they not bring for them a clear authority
        And who is more unjust
        than one who invents about Allah a lie?"
        (1815)

        Or do they say
        "He has made it up"?
        (ie. the Quran)
        Rather, they do not believe
        Then let them produce a statement like it
        if they should be truthful
        Or were they created by nothing
        or were they the creators ?
        Or did they create the heavens and the earth?
        Rather, they are not certain
        Or have they the depositories of your Lord?
        Or are they the controllers ?
        Or have they a stairway upon which they listen?
        Then let their listener produce a clear authority
        (5233-3

        Peace

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          Therefore, no rambling with personal opinions or wishful thinking

          Allah said...

          That is their wishful thinking, Say,

          "Produce your proof, if you should be truthful."

          So is one who
          upon a CLEAR EVIDENCE from his Lord?
          And a witness from Him follows it
          and before it was the Scripture of Moses to lead (confirming) and as mercy <- non bigotry
          Those believe in the Qur'an <- only these peoples believe in the Quran
          But whoever disbelieves in it from the factions <- bigotry, bigotism, bigotists
          the Fire is his promised destination
          So be not in doubt about it
          Indeed, it is the truth from your Lord
          but most of the people do not believe
          (1117)

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            Then, give reasons.. from the Quran.

            and please ... no rambling with personal opinions or wishful thinking,

            I'm not interested in discussing "your opinions".

            o

            Therefore, no rambling with personal opinions or wishful thinking

            Allah said...

            So is one who
            upon a CLEAR EVIDENCE from his Lord?
            And a witness from Him follows it
            and before it was the Scripture of Moses to lead (confirming) and as mercy <- non bigotry
            Those believe in the Qur'an <- only these peoples believe in the Quran
            But whoever disbelieves in it from the factions <- bigotry, bigotism, bigotists
            the Fire is his promised destination
            So be not in doubt about it
            Indeed, it is the truth from your Lord
            but most of the people do not believe
            (1117)

            o

            Therefore, no rambling with personal opinions or wishful thinking

            Allah said...

            So is one who
            upon a CLEAR EVIDENCE from his Lord?
            And a witness from Him follows it
            and before it was the Scripture of Moses to lead (confirming) and as mercy <- non bigotry
            Those believe in the Qur'an <- only these peoples believe in the Quran
            But whoever disbelieves in it from the factions <- bigotry, bigotism, bigotists
            the Fire is his promised destination
            So be not in doubt about it
            Indeed, it is the truth from your Lord
            but most of the people do not believe
            (1117)

            o

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              muslims
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              Spammer?

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                es
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                Spammer?

                Yes, I've spent two years and seven months "spamming" this forum.

                And may God bless peace unto you too.

                peace

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                  Good for you but two years+ is not enough, maybe you should add another 50 years spamming this forum. laugh

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                    foralgerian
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                    In your very humble opinion.

                    Stop inferring to things in accordance to your own interpretation.

                    What you just wrote here makes you in an awkward position, since each and every book of tafseer is
                    Just someone's opinion.. And personal interpretation.
                    Also each imam in a mosque and each theologian (called scientist... Alim) , only express his opinion...and so it's only his interpretation...
                    And you can't stop them...

                    This is for me (another opinion) just an example of a lack of argument...
                    In the Quran it is written that we ought to listen to different interpretations, and follow the most righteous ..
                    This means , we are supposed to think and analyse and scrutinise opinions and interpretations, and not telling those who do come up with one .. To stop doing it.. Because it doesn't go we'll with your wishfull thinking...

                    Peace...

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                      Peace

                      What you just wrote here makes you in an awkward position, since each and every book of tafseer is
                      Just someone's opinion.. And personal interpretation.
                      Also each imam in a mosque and each theologian (called scientist... Alim) , only express his opinion...and so it's only his interpretation...
                      And you can't stop them...

                      This is for me (another opinion) just an example of a lack of argument...
                      In the Quran it is written that we ought to listen to different interpretations, and follow the most righteous ..
                      This means , we are supposed to think and analyse and scrutinise opinions and interpretations, and not telling those who do come up with one .. To stop doing it.. Because it doesn't go we'll with your wishfull thinking...

                      Peace...

                      I am not an awkward position nor am I in one.

                      Thanks.

                      Salaam.

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                        For you is your deen <- Sectarianism (religion), Bigotism, the Bigotists
                        and for me is my deen <- Just and balance (righteousness),
                        (109) regardless of religions/tribes etc

                        http//media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7o3yoQk0m1qhokzh.png

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