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What is your understanding of these messages?

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    unknownuser
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    Thank you for help. )
    Which table ? do mean my discovery in here
    http//y19.net/Rashad.htm

    Yes pay attention to what people post instead of being infatuated with your stupid tables.

    Word nineteen (and you must help him) has the wrong value for Noon and should be 50 NOT 530...

    381
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    2006063040904100 30401 40702040 304006405050 25 63040053090200505 100130 1110020020040040
    6160070040040 703010700302040 19020010 10013061110020020050110013080130054616 150140702040 4050 130300541050
    505

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      Bahman
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      Peace
      Whoever does an atom's weight of good will see it 997
      Peace

      Yes pay attention to what people post instead of being infatuated with your stupid tables.

      Word nineteen (and you must help him) has the wrong value for Noon and should be 50 NOT 530...

      381
      617001600700 130305 4010500100 1305021050 30401 11400104002040 4050 204002 6820405 500403112040
      2006063040904100 30401 40702040 304006405050 25 63040053090200505 100130 1110020020040040
      6160070040040 703010700302040 19020010 10013061110020020050110013080130054616 150140702040 4050 130300541050
      505

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        mmkhan
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        Salaam Bahman,

        Peace Let us go shorter and quicker as my Arabic is not enough to discuss all issues you claim.
        1-How can dead prophets help Prophet Mohammed
        2-How prophet could proof divinity of Quran to confirm previous?
        Peace

        Nope, it does not mean that dead Prophets has to help Prophet Mohammed. It does mean that at the time of every Prophet there will come a messenger , confirming what that Prophet has, so Prophet has to believe in him and the Prophet has to help him.

        Please read 4026-45 to get the clear picture.

        May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
        Mohammed M. Khan

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          mmkhan
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          Salaam Bahman,

          Now that a messenger from GOD has come to them, and even though he proves and confirms their own scripture, some followers of the scripture (Jews, Christians, and Muslims) disregard GOD's scripture behind their backs, as if they never had any scripture.

          *2101 God's Messenger of the Covenant is prophesied in the Old Testament (Malachi 31-3), the New Testament (Luke 1722-37), and this Final Testament (381).

          Do you mean them are prophets? or you mean is for Jews and Christian, just click on phrase and see where you are or you have been . There is no Islam more.

          No, please read previous aayats i.e., 2109-110 to know who THEM are. BTW, the above translation is accurate.

          We made the Quran easy to learn. Does any of you wish to learn?
          The Most Gracious.Teacher of the Quran.
          http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat55_files/55_1.gif
          http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat55_files/55_2.gif

          Brother, again, translation is wrong. It is not "Easy to learn" but it says "Easy to remember".

          Mohammedans scholars should stop to teach poeple their learning as today Islam is product of their understanding.
          I am very busy with my learning from Glorious Reading (Quran in Arabic)
          Have you done this yet?
          Peace

          I am very happy to hear that you are learning from Glorious AlQuraan in Arabic, MashaAllah.

          May Allah help you and guide us all towards the Truth.
          Mohammed M. Khan

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            Bahman
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            Salaam Bahman,

            Nope, it does not mean that dead Prophets has to help Prophet Mohammed. It does mean that at the time of every Prophet there will come a messenger ,

            It is very confusing or i can not understand explain more in detail please.

            confirming what that Prophet has, so Prophet has to believe in him and the Prophet has to help him.

            I am Totally confused you mean that during life Prophet Mohammed another messenger came tp proof the book and prophet was supporting him???
            Explain in detail please.

            Please read 4026-45 to get the clear picture.

            The clear picture I got from those verses we see same condition when their idols are in their own Hadth which has caused such mess and all of them claim that no messenger comes after Prophet when they lie and hide the truth.

            I notice your intention for your political nice words rejecting Rashad as messenger. Ima very busy thank you for your advise main topic is translation of word that appreciate for your translation.

            You do not have to go though such path to convince me , you can do it easily and yourself or people around with knowledge produce one like those then i consider your guidance and teaching
            Other way without proof for book are like fire fighter without water. and is wasting time .
            Peace.

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              Bahman
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              Salaam Bahman,

              No, please read previous aayats i.e., 2109-110 to know who THEM are. BTW, the above translation is accurate.
              Brother, again, translation is wrong. It is not "Easy to learn" but it says "Easy to remember".
              I am very happy to hear that you are learning from Glorious AlQuraan in Arabic, MashaAllah.
              May Allah help you and guide us all towards the Truth.
              Mohammed M. Khan

              Peace
              I see you are hiding your own opinion and asking me all to read this and that which could have different understanding for me and you. Why t you do not talk clear and straight forward?
              I read those verses and reached to 112
              Indeed, those who submit themselves absolutely to GOD alone
              Tell us the truth, are you follower one of those sectarians ?
              If not that is enough 262 , you are saved but if you come to public and invite them to believe in God thn needs proof not Arabic knowledge , feeling heart, ........ other way you are wasting your time
              Peace.

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                loxbox13
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                Peace,Bahman, I kind of get pissed last time for i don't like people generating and juging billions of people, anyway, i want u to answer me if i can, as I told u, in my mind, it's not the code19 that bothers me , but contradictions,
                well, can u telle me how you see these 2 verses ?

                (&#65279 (&#65279 sourah32
                In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
                A. L. M
                The book is, without a doubt, a revelation from the Lord of the universe.
                They said, "He fabricated it." Indeed, this is the truth from your Lord, to warn people who never received a warner before you, that they may be guided.
                and this verse

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                Y. S. (Yaa Seen)*
                And the Quran that is full of wisdom.
                Most assuredly, you (Rashad) are one of the messengers.*
                On a straight path.
                This revelation is from the Almighty, Most Merciful.
                To warn people whose parents were never warned, and therefore, they are unaware.

                Thses two verses, are talking directly to the messenger to warn people who never been warned before, the same tone, the same sens, if the second one , sourah Ya Sin, the revelation is talking direct to rashad , so it must be the above verse also or not? these verses here, god is addressing the same persone, in arabic, it sounds like god is addressing the one who is receiving this revelation, but the translations are different
                Do u see the first verses above, are talking direct to khalifa as the ones in surah YaSin ?
                if yes, than how do u know? , and one more question, was it khalifa who put his name or was it the submitters? his followers? because i seen a version online of khalifa translation without the name khalifa in the second verse of surah Ya Sin , who did put the name of khalifa, that is all i want to know, because in my community , people are telling me it wasn't him who put his name, i just want u to be honest and respond, because there is no way i can verify for sure, there is too many translations and confusion out there.

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                  mmkhan
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                  Salaam Bahman,

                  It is very confusing or i can not understand explain more in detail please.

                  It is simple. For example when Allah said "Yaa ayyuhal lazeena aamanu" that means "O you who believe". Does it mean all the believers of same time? Or it covers all times whenever there are believers?

                  It simply means, 1400 years it was referring to believers at that time and now it is referring to the believers to today. Same thing goes with Prophets in 2101 .

                  I am Totally confused you mean that during life Prophet Mohammed another messenger came tp proof the book and prophet was supporting him???
                  Explain in detail please.

                  Yes, it happens all the time.

                  That aayat is about Rasool not Al+Rasool.

                  The clear picture I got from those verses we see same condition when their idols are in their own Hadth which has caused such mess and all of them claim that no messenger comes after Prophet when they lie and hide the truth.

                  I wanted to show you that at the time of Prophet Musa how that person who is a believer came in . Prophet Musa cannot deny him, but he supports him.

                  I notice your intention for your political nice words rejecting Rashad as messenger. Ima very busy thank you for your advise main topic is translation of word that appreciate for your translation.

                  You do not have to go though such path to convince me , you can do it easily and yourself or people around with knowledge produce one like those then i consider your guidance and teaching
                  Other way without proof for book are like fire fighter without water. and is wasting time .
                  Peace.

                  I felt very sad when I red that highlighted/red part in your post brother. Lemme tell you, I hate politics, I am a very straight forward person by Allah's grace. And I try to give you proof all the time from The Book but you still think it is waste of time?

                  You can stick to what you like, and I will stick to what Allah has guided me to and you have to answer for your deeds and I have to answer mine. So, no disrespect.

                  But I surely suggest you to seek Allah's help ALWAYS on each and everything and learn Arabic language to understand the correct meaning.

                  May Allah guide us all towards the Truth and open our hearts to understand and accept the correct path. pr
                  Mohammed M. Khan

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                    mmkhan
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                    Salaam Bahman,

                    Peace
                    I see you are hiding your own opinion and asking me all to read this and that which could have different understanding for me and you. Why t you do not talk clear and straight forward?

                    There is nothing to hide brother. I ask you read to make you understand yourself, if you want I can quote all the verses quoted, inshaAllah.

                    I read those verses and reached to 112
                    Indeed, those who submit themselves absolutely to GOD alone
                    Tell us the truth, are you follower one of those sectarians ?

                    Honestly, I belong to a sect called "Muslim", cause Allah said "He named us Muslims" in 2278.
                    I believe in AlQuraan and AlKitaab, no other books as a source of guidance.

                    If you don't know what AlKitaab is, please check this http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9601702.0

                    If not that is enough 262 , you are saved but if you come to public and invite them to believe in God thn needs proof not Arabic knowledge , feeling heart, ........ other way you are wasting your time
                    Peace.

                    Do you think it is our responsibility to guide people? No! We just have to bring them the aayaats of Allah. Allah will guide whom He wills/who try for His guidance.

                    May Allah guide us all towards the Truth pr
                    Mohammed M. Khan

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                      Bahman
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                      Peace
                      Your response as a rejector of Miracle is important to be recorded here.. if you have replied please refer the url or is time to response tomorrow is lat

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                        Bahman
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                        Yes pay attention to what people post instead of being infatuated with your stupid tables.

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