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    Wiselite
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    What a great thread this is! It gives so much hope, so much to work on too! In sha' Allah, in sha' Allah.

    Salaam Huruf,

    With pondering and appreciative reflection on each word, it will lead to clarity and wisdom.

    I endorse it totally.
    Gita

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      The ALR

      141 Alif Lam Ra. The Book which We have revealed to you that you may bring forth men, by their God's permission from utter darknesses into light-- to the way of the Mighty, the Praised One.

      This is a Mighty Promise and a Heavy Word from the Almighty.

      Peace Dr Fazl,

      Can you explain what is meant by "Heavy Word".

      Gita

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        Peace Dr Fazl,

        Can you explain what is meant by "Heavy Word".

        Gita

        Word of Allah In The Deep Of Our Hearts

        It is the command of Allah you would receive as His Will that which is impossible for the entire mankind to visualise even in their wildest dreams. Yet you will act on the order and command of Allah by which you would establish the Signs, Allah is competent over all things. Example, when Musa by the command of Allah, separated the sea into two mountainous portions paving the dry path in the middle for the people of Israel to cross the ocean; striking the rock with his staff by His command and causing 12 springs flowing through the habitation of the people of Israel; defeating the terrific magicians of the state of Firaun who by their magic would even topple the mountains, by the command of Allah using his ordinary staff; and who commanded the clouds to hover above them giving the people of Musa, by the leave of Allah, shade and coolness in the thus far abandoned area of nature which is deserted with no water below and with the scorching sun above.

        If you are a believer in this, it is no more a heavy word for it is easy to Allah to make the deserts into gardens; and in which the rivers would flow underneath; and you can cause torrents of rain from above; and cause clouds hover above as protection from the sun, all by the leave of God, if you are a believer in such and much heavier things of beauty that are rotting in your hearts lying idle without giving it a thought and allow it to spring up by surrendering before your God and asking for it from your God.

        And upon Esa the heaviest word descended from Allah as command and by Whose leave He shaped up a bird and breathed into it and it became a real bird; raising up dead from their graves; spoke to the people while he was a baby in the cradle; cured the lepers and born blind all by His command and leave. And the heaviest word upon the Nuh by Whose command and under supervision the first ship, non-drowning was built.

        And upon Zulqurnain, Ayyub, Ibrahim, Lut, Yacub, Yusuf, Hud, Salih, Shuaib the heaviest words as Allah's command descended which they did act upon and show by His leave, to make the entire mankind believe and prostrate their minds totally surrendering to the Will of God in all their lives, if they wanted them all alive and lively forever.

        Such grand things do happen in all our lives individually to them and upon them collectively which we would say as 'good-luck', grace of God, wrath of God etc. All the world is struggling for their lives with pain and loss of hopes of living even at the meanest level. Yet, we lead comparatively an honourable existence and hope to lead better living tomorrow; this again a heavy task ahead of us; but it is Allah's command, "You shall neither worry nor would you fear." From our capacity it is impossible for us to deliver this ourselves. But it is a command from Him we would not reject but love to embrace such a life. This is how by His Grace we are being led in His path and leading the life already.

        Those who would reflect on this, Allah would guide them to be in His remembrance; and upon them He would send heavier words as His Promise and Command. You would now know that whatever in your heart as as wonderfully beautiful, is impossible with you; but it is easy for your God. Believe in Him and await on Him. You bow to His Command; it should happen before you and as a sign for others to hope for with belief and patience. In this manner each of all mankind is expected by the Almighty, to receive His Command; and expand the hearts to receive and harbour the mightiest word; it will be unfolded and revealed as a great events n all your lives; and thus all heaven bound, and foremost shall be as a sign and as an ayat from Allah unto each other.

        And like Prophet Yahya, each of us would complete our life here as ones who testified a word or an ayat of Allah in this world establishing Allah is competent over all things.

        "So the angels called on Zakariya while he was deep in the remembrance of Allah's Grace, "Indeed, Allah gives you good tidings of Yahya, confirming a word from Allah and honourable, abstaining, and a prophet from among the righteous."

        Peace

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          jhonsonmustafa
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          Great Indeed. Thanks Drfazl and thanks Wiselight for asking about Heavy Word. Its becoming interesting as new wisdom is revealed in different dimensions and Allah is definitely satisfied with HIS creations.

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            Who are the people of understanding?

            Night and Day is ever changing and keeps changing day in and day out; and night in and night out. Today's night is not the same as yesterday's; and tomorrow's day is not this day. Every day and night is newly created as reward and punishment to what each individual has earned because of his shirk or whatever he had done associating his knowledge and toiling to God's Wisdom and lively living. Every breathing and every moment of life is happening with the altered creation of air, water, and food and crops - and in each of their atom of air, drop of water and grain of produce its surviving capacity is justly measured to each individual for what he is doing as wrong and righteous. Each day and night for everyone of us is individualised through the work of seven heavens upon each of our habitation by the command of Allah - as good for the good; and as bad for the bad. Accordingly, the habitat may not receive rain or shade of cloud and left high and dry; or the earth may be flourishing with lively green with rich scenery and with torrents of shower and cool breeze. And each one shall have and living in his well measured share of combinations between the two climates and atmospheres set for him, by the command of Allah.

            Is then there any who pay heed? No knowledge of the earth has any say in this! Except when we stand stamping upon our pride, all knowledge of human beings and bowing and prostrating with humility before God. Stay away from the scientific, visible, and deadly knowledge; and bow before the unseen Wisdom of Allah for the Grant of it from Him by His leave. Be prayerful for the wisdom of Allah instead of going head over heels upon the earthy science knowledge of the people. With their science can they have a command on the skies? Is not the earth surviving by the grace of the skies? And are the skies not looking up to Allah for His commands?

            2164 Most surely in the creation of the heavens and the earth and in the ever changing of the night and the day, and the ships that run in the sea with that which profits men, and the water that Allah sends down from the cloud, then gives life with it to the earth after its death and spreads in it all animals, and the changing of the winds and the clouds made subservient between the heaven and the earth, there are signs for a people who understand.

            Peace

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              The question and answer here is the one that took place through PM by one of the forum members is given under for the benefit of the readers concerned.

              Dr Fazl, I have an internal dilemma, my ultimate goal is to please Allah and do not associate ANYTHING to Allah. With this concept of association, is it the action or the understanding is what is stamped as "shirk". For instance, I had horrible back pain at a particular spot on my back the other night. Enough pain that I felt some people would go to the E.R. out of caution, but I denied that option and decided to pray to Allah. During the night, I placed a ice pack on my back. Would I be committing "shirk" because I placed an ice pack on my back because I am not relying solely on Allah to heal me with no assistance of anything kind, even a ice pack? I am confused

              • kay.

              Suppose I ask you, Kay, if the ice pack cured your pain or Allah, what would your reply be? Allah! Isn't it?

              • Yes.

              Dr Then why did you place the ice pack on your back?
              Kay May be Allah guided me?

              D Then the ice pack would be pain curer to which Allah turns you to and not to Him?
              K No, to Him should be our return. But then why should there be a relief to my pain when I placed the ice pack?

              D When you had the terrible pain in the night, Allah's glad tiding descend upon your Ruh; and from your Ruh, the message is conveyed to your mind by the appointed malayika upon you. That is your first instinct and you dearly wanted it and wished for it; that very same moment it was accepted by God as your submission to Him; and you know when God says to a thing 'Be' it is. Another important thing we shall know is for everything there is God's predetermined period, before its occurrence or manifestation. This is the reason why a believer should practice patience.

              Is it not that you should have observed patience seeking from Him the patience, once submission to God is made as your dear wish?

              K But when Allah intends a thing 'Be' it should be there; but why then the delay?
              D Have you not read, He tests your patience and perseverance and endurance in His path? And every bit of your endurance is written down for your best recompense so that your future would be free from distress and full of His Bounties 9120 ?

              K And is it that then it was about that time, i.e about the end of God's predetermined time when I should have become freed from my pain by His Grace, I had applied the ice pack?
              D Do you still have doubts?

              K Is it then I have committed shirk?
              D Allah is most forgiving; so when you ask for forgiveness the matter is over there.

              K Then I can continue with my shirk?
              D If you do not seek from Him to protect you from further shirk, and fear Him that you shall not repeat the mistake and keep seeking His Help all the time, then you are likely to be tested lightly or severely. It necessarily need not be a punishment. Despite this if you fail to maintain patience and err, and as a result you associate certain of your knowledge to suit your comfort, know that Allah is Oft-Returning and Most Merciful. So rejoice in such God's Mercy; yet it is better for you if you are mindful of what you do.

              Peace.

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                drfazl
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                Peace,

                Arabic is not required to get at 'wahi' or to receive the revelation of the signs of the ayats of Allah.

                http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605447.msg342578#msg342578

                Peace

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                  The Shadow of What We Earn

                  Have they not considered any of the things Allah has created? Their shadows incline to the right and to the left, prostrating to Allah , while they are humble. 1648

                  The shadows Everything Allah created has its shadow flowing from it either extending away from it or inclining towards it. The shadow is closely associated with each and every creation of Allah. The shadow Allah describes is not the earthy shadows that recede from the west and extend towards the east, but the shadow of the heavenly bodies, that befall to our right or to our left according to each of our deeds - our righteous, or our wrongful acts - as rewards and punishments for our deeds in this world. They only follow dutifully and humbly the command of Allah, the God of the worlds.

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                    The Shadow of What We Earn

                    Have they not considered any of the things Allah has created? Their shadows incline to the right and to the left, prostrating to Allah , while they are humble. 1648

                    The shadows Everything Allah created has its shadow flowing from it either extending away from it or inclining towards it. The shadow is closely associated with each and every creation of Allah. The shadow Allah describes is not the earthy shadows that recede from the west and extend towards the east, but the shadow of the heavenly bodies, that befall to our right or to our left according to each of our deeds - our righteous, or our wrongful acts - as rewards and punishments for our deeds in this world. They only follow dutifully and humbly the command of Allah, the God of the worlds.

                    Dr.Fazl, I want some clarifications on your previous post.

                    1. Whether it is a visible shadow or invisible shadow. ?

                    2. So far i have learnt a shadow is formed when a object is obstructing a light. This is what i have learnt from my physical knowledge. A shadow should have 3 things 1-umbra,2-penumbra,3-antumbra. The shadow which you mean does it have these qualities ?

                    3. What is meant by earthly shadows and heavenly shadows? How do you classify a shadow as a beneficial one or a harmful one. ?

                    I will be pleased if you clear my doubts.

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                      The Shadow of What We Earn

                      Have they not considered any of the things Allah has created? Their shadows incline to the right and to the left, prostrating to Allah , while they are humble. 1648

                      but the shadow of the heavenly bodies, that befall to our right or to our left according to each of our deeds - our righteous, or our wrongful acts - as rewards and punishments for our deeds in this world. They only follow dutifully and humbly the command of Allah, the God of the worlds.

                      Peace Dr Fazl,

                      Heavenly bodies - does it mean Malaiyikas ?

                      Please clarify.

                      Gita

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                        Peace,

                        When to call AllahAnd When to call Rubb, God

                        The Quran uses the word "Allah" when referring to the "One God" of the heavens and the earth and everything in between - all put together. Otherwise it is just the 'Rubb', meaning the God, inherently possessing all of the individual Attributes of Allah. Mostly when you seek from the earthly manifest things of Allah, delinking yourself from the hidden treasures of the heavens from where by Allah's command the mighty power descend in the abstract form to create every kind of produce for the living beings on the earth.

                        So when you call on Allah, know that you need a fresh creation that the world does not know thus far, discreetly as a Sign unto you from Him, Allah, to strengthen your peace or salam with Him, through His wisdom, to stand all alone in this world, and thus your Will is to be a Muslim unto Him. But if your need is of the created things or some of the visible produce that make your daily requirement for the living, call Allah as God and by His individual Attributes; or in other sense call on God when you seek from the Most Bountiful and the Most Benevolent out of what you know already as possessors of the earthly material knowledge, the idols.

                        Collectively calling on The One, by all His Attributes in mind, then it is "ALLAH" the only VOCABULARY, that encompasses the entire gamut of His Kingdom, the heavens and the earth and everything in between. And a Sign from Allah descends upon such of His bondsmen upon who He is pleased with the Sign having all of God's Attributes as an abstract power and as a stamp of His Authority. These are the Messengers, the chosen Muslims from among the mumins. No amount of dictionaries in the entire world with all their languages can get the glimpse of the meaning of the Word Allah. It shall have to be given to one's Ruh as a feel through Wahi by Allah.

                        Before you are chosen by Allah as Muslims seek from the state of your toddler's steps of being a mumin, from your God thus

                        2128 Our Rubb, O God, and make us Muslims unto You and from our descendants a Muslim nation unto You. And teach us our 'calling' and accept our repentance. Indeed, You are the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful.

                        Observe in the above ayat how Rubb or God is complimented with Allah's Attributes in the end of their 'calling'.

                        Please read through this link
                        http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606019.msg342675#msg342675

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                          The Shadow of What We Earn

                          Have they not considered any of the things Allah has created? Their shadows incline to the right and to the left, prostrating to Allah , while they are humble. 1648

                          The shadows Everything Allah created has its shadow flowing from it either extending away from it or inclining towards it. The shadow is closely associated with each and every creation of Allah. The shadow Allah describes is not the earthy shadows that recede from the west and extend towards the east, but the shadow of the heavenly bodies, that befall to our right or to our left according to each of our deeds - our righteous, or our wrongful acts - as rewards and punishments for our deeds in this world. They only follow dutifully and humbly the command of Allah, the God of the worlds.

                          Peace DrFazl

                          The revelation of 1648 doubly confirms when applied for 1817 and sense better

                          1817 And you see the sun when it rises, it visits their cave from the right, and when it sets, it touches them from the left, while they are in an enclosure from it. That is from the signs of God. Whoever God guides is the guided one, and whoever He misguides, you will not find for him any ally to give direction.

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                            drfazl
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                            Dr.Fazl, I want some clarifications on your previous post.

                            1. Whether it is a visible shadow or invisible shadow. ?

                            2. So far i have learnt a shadow is formed when a object is obstructing a light. This is what i have learnt from my physical knowledge. A shadow should have 3 things 1-umbra,2-penumbra,3-antumbra. The shadow which you mean does it have these qualities ?

                            3. What is meant by earthly shadows and heavenly shadows? How do you classify a shadow as a beneficial one or a harmful one. ?

                            I will be pleased if you clear my doubts.

                            Peace dr. rks,

                            When it comes to Quran what we understand subjectively by sense from any single letter, or a word, or a phrase, or a Signature verse of the Scriptures of Allah is of paramount importance. The shadow means the unseen good and bad events in the formation, in and about the entire universal force, according to our good and bad deeds. The shadows always cast around us to our right and to our left. Shadow on the right side means good news and rewards; and that of the left side means bad news and adversities. In any of our activities and speeches, all our lives, always there is this mixture of the shadows earning our ease and disease, because there is always a mixture of our Iman with worldly associations throughout our lives.

                            Peace.

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                              drfazl
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                              Peace Dr Fazl,

                              Heavenly bodies - does it mean Malaiyikas ?

                              Please clarify.

                              Gita

                              Peace,

                              Heaven, we have not seen but we believe there is heaven without doubt; this is wisdom far above knowledge, going well beyond cleaving the skies, by sevens. Your souls that inherit such wisdom and encompass the truthful secrets of those that are seen and that are unseen are the heavenly bodies. In this way the malayikas, the jinns, the hell, the heaven, the foremost, the prophets, the messengers, the good doers, the helpers, the martyrs, living and non living - and such of the unseen truthful realities dawned upon us by Allah, the Universal God, are also among the heavenly bodies; this apart, the heavenly bodies include various lesser creations such as the air, the forces, the planets, the stars, sun, moon and such other things seen and unseen from above the skies down to earth, and that which fill up deep down are all the heavenly bodies.

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                                The Prayer of the Pious

                                We cannot give birth to such of our descendants who would mislead His servants, to inherit this world after us. But for our own wickedness, disbelief and rejection, the world would have been heaven of Firdhouse, inhabited by the honoured guests of Allah purified of its infestation by the companions of shaitans. The newly married couple shall pledge this before their God O God, save us and our progenies from inclining towards every evil temperament and the tantrums due to the evil whisperings.

                                This is based on the verse
                                "And Nuh said, "My God, do not leave upon the earth from among the disbelievers an inhabitant.

                                This is a prayer against ourselves too if we are of that order. Such are the prayers of the pious.

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                                  The Prayer for the Expecting Mothers

                                  Most pregnant women pray to their God and say O my God, make my pregnancy be uneventful; and may my delivery be smooth; I want a healthy cuddly male baby; or female baby and nothing more. But --

                                  When the wife of 'Imran said "O my God! I vow to surrender what is in my womb to be at Your services; so accept this, from me. Verily, You are the All-Hearer, the All-Knowing." And when she delivered her female baby she further said, "I turn to You to save her and her progenies from the accursed evil-force."

                                  Allah accepts this prayer of Imran's wife as a beautiful prayer; He not only gave her a female baby but kept her pure from shaitan even nearing her all through her life and made her the most chaste woman in all the worlds.

                                  The above in green should be the prayer of all pregnant women during pregnancy and on delivering the baby. Imran's wife is only an ordinary woman whose prayer and submission is well received and answered with a beautiful reward by the Almighty Allah. This confirms what Allah says in 5729 So that the people holding on to the Book may know that they have no power whatsoever over the Grace of Allah, and that His Grace is in His Hand to bestow it on whomsoever He wills. And Allah is the Owner of Great Bounty.

                                  All women shall follow the prayer of the wife of Imran, and be blessed with the Bounties and Grace from Him from every direction.

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                                    peace Dr,

                                    every-time as i read the ayats, i get locked in some of the ayat. i see that ayat as the interlock between me and the ayat at that particular point of time. then this ayat links with the another ayat for confirmation and clarity. in this way, as once you have said earlier, every ayat is interlinked.

                                    again, in this way, i wonder how 7127; 335, 36; 5729 is interlinked in your posts. really a blessing, humans evolve if they can interlink the ayats in their life.

                                    Allah alone is sufficient for the interlinks in more number of ayats paving the way for our easy living.

                                    peace

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                                      The Prayer for the Expecting Mothers

                                      Most pregnant women pray to their God and say O my God, make my pregnancy be uneventful; and may my delivery be smooth; I want a healthy cuddly male baby; or female baby and nothing more. But --

                                      When the wife of 'Imran said "O my God! I vow to surrender what is in my womb to be at Your services; so accept this, from me. Verily, You are the All-Hearer, the All-Knowing." And when she delivered her female baby she further said, "I turn to You to save her and her progenies from the accursed evil-force."

                                      Allah accepts this prayer of Imran's wife as a beautiful prayer; He not only gave her a female baby but kept her pure from shaitan even nearing her all through her life and made her the most chaste woman in all the worlds.

                                      The above in green should be the prayer of all pregnant women during pregnancy and on delivering the baby. Imran's wife is only an ordinary woman whose prayer and submission is well received and answered with a beautiful reward by the Almighty Allah. This confirms what Allah says in 5729 So that the people holding on to the Book may know that they have no power whatsoever over the Grace of Allah, and that His Grace is in His Hand to bestow it on whomsoever He wills. And Allah is the Owner of Great Bounty.

                                      All women shall follow the prayer of the wife of Imran, and be blessed with the Bounties and Grace from Him from every direction.

                                      Salam drfazl (hope you have been unblocked by now),

                                      This prayer of Imran's wife is excellent as far as I am concerned, because she has totally surrendered her pregnancy to God. However, are wives today really prepared for it?

                                      Now, lets look at the events after the prayer. Meaning, we look at what happened to her.

                                      So then she gave birth to a baby. Is the baby a male? Or a female?

                                      Please read 336 here http//corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=3&verse=36

                                      For the sake of discussion, lets read Yusuf Ali

                                      When she was delivered, she said (Falamma wadaAAat-ha qalat)
                                      "O my Lord! Behold! I am delivered of a female child!"- (rabbi innee wadaAAtuha ontha)
                                      and Allah knew best what she brought forth- (waAllahu aAAlamu bima wadaAAat)
                                      "And no wise is the male Like the female. (walaysa alththakaru kaalontha)
                                      I have named her Mary, (wa-innee sammaytuha maryama)
                                      and I commend her and her offspring to Thy protection from the Evil One, the Rejected." (wa-innee oAAeethuha bika wathurriyyataha mina alshshaytani alrrajeem)

                                      So the question is, what is 'ontha'? Here is the entry by Hans Wehr, on page 30.

                                      http//s26.postimg.org/irdequmbt/a_n_th.jpg

                                      While this is the entry for 'thakar' on page 310.

                                      http//s26.postimg.org/aj6vs451l/th_k_r_2.jpg

                                      I trust this phrase is the key "... walaysa alththakaru kaalontha ..."

                                      Yusuf Ali "And no wise is the male Like the female.
                                      Sahih International And the male is not like the female.
                                      Pickthall the male is not as the female;
                                      Shakir and the male is not like the female,
                                      Muhammad Sarwar Male and female are not alike.
                                      Mohsin Khan "And the male is not like the female,
                                      Arberry the male is not as the female.
                                      A Monotheist Translation "And the male is not like the female,

                                      Really, what does this phrase ("... walaysa alththakaru kaalontha ...&quot mean?

                                      If it is a baby (boy) the Arabic is 'tifl' (t-f-l), and 'tiflah' for a baby girl.

                                      Literally the phrase means

                                      walaysa alththakaru and/as the male/penis is not
                                      kaalontha like feminine/unmanly

                                      So we could either read it like this and/as the male is not like feminine
                                      Or and/as the penis is not like unmanly

                                      Either way, this phrase should clearly indicate that the baby was
                                      a. feminine or unmanly; and
                                      b. has a male organ

                                      In fact, traditionally 'ontha' refers to 'a girl/woman with unmanly penis'.

                                      And Maryam was an 'ontha', born to the respected Family of Imran, but raised by Zakariya, a respected elder (hukm) in his community. Even in Zakariya's care, Maryam was confined to a room away from people. We read about this in 337 (http//corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=3&verse=37).

                                      In the same verse we also learn about how close was Maryam with God, so much so that God even provided her with unimaginable (at least to Zakariya) provisions. Then Maryam was to be pregnant without a husband. She later left the comfort of Zakariya's care and gave birth to Isha under a palm tree.

                                      Just imagine how great was Maryam's tests, trials and tribulations. Imagine the shock (or perhaps even shame) of her parents. Imagine the look and talk of the people around Maryam. Most people would be bewildered with a daughter like Maryam. Her mother was not an exception, since she gave Maryam to Zakariya's care. Then Maryam got pregnant without a husband. Then the birth of Isha. But as a true servant of God, totally submitting herself to God, Maryam overcame all obstacles with gratitude.

                                      To me, the narrative (hadith) on Maryam is a indeed a reminder to all of us (generations after Maryam) about

                                      Being careful and wise with what we say to God. While there are times when we need to be general (indefinite) about what we ask for or pledge to, there are also times when we need to be very definite. Otherwise, everything will be up to God alone to determine, as in the case of Maryam's mother. She pledged her pregnancy totally and solely to God, and she didn't give birth to a male nor a female, but an 'ontha'. Are we prepared for that?

                                      But instead we should take lessons from Zakariya. "As if it is hard/difficult!" ("Kahiya AAassa" from 'Kaf Ha Ya Ain Sod' in 191). Zakariya was very definite in his prayers to God. Please read 191 to 196. So understandably, God was definite with His reply.

                                      But this is merely my personal comprehension. It may not necessarily be the truth to anyone of you.

                                      God be with you guys.

                                      Cheers!
                                      mohammed noh

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                                        drfazl
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                                        Salam drfazl (hope you have been unblocked by now),

                                        This prayer of Imran's wife is excellent as far as I am concerned, because she has totally surrendered her pregnancy to God. However, are wives today really prepared for it?

                                        Now, lets look at the events after the prayer. Meaning, we look at what happened to her.

                                        So then she gave birth to a baby. Is the baby a male? Or a female?

                                        Joe Betik
                                        Salam

                                        Keep God more in mind and discard the rubbishes.

                                        Your thinking points to me you are original and not a follower of majority people's ways and so towards wisdom you are moved on; Allah guides those who listen to all such wise thinking selfs when they assemble and exchange among them their light weight to heavy weight perspectives and notions with a view to a greater understanding and for a broader sense of application so that each of them are fine tuned all the time, by Allah. For Allah loves them all.

                                        Based on your light, the ayat is

                                        When she was delivered, she said
                                        "O my Lord! Behold! I am delivered of a feminine male!"-
                                        and Allah knew best what she brought forth-
                                        "And the male is not like that I have 'feminined';
                                        Or, the penis is not like unmanly."
                                        "I have named her Mary,
                                        and I commend her and her offspring to Thy protection from the Evil One, the Rejected."

                                        Based on this light you shall say Adam was created with male and female component and then from the twin of him the female is separated; thereafter male and female originated as the finality of human creation. Though this was from the comic caricature of hadith graphics, the view is strongly instilled into the largest section of theologians of various scriptures, the truth is Adam is mankind with males and females cropped out of the sand as the first creation with a word 'Be' from Him all over the world. Depending upon the nature of the sand the humans are of different color, different faces, their height, the weight; and due to the differences in the sands' nature, one human race is born with such of all morphological variations.

                                        This apart, is there any reference in Quran that God created male and female in one; and such are the blessed people to give rise to people of prophets' status?

                                        Is it to be feared if we are not precise in our submission to Allah, we should face difficult tests on this earth because of our entrusting wholesomely for a handsome reward? Any referential ayats?

                                        Our submission is mostly with regard to our future; and our future is entirely with Allah. We put our Trust in Him alone for all life to come. This in mind I pray to God, " O Allah, the God of the universes, I entrust myself and my family to You under Your responsibility and do not leave us under our care, ever; and You guide us in the Straight path."

                                        I want to clear this from you Joe, before going into other parts of your post, which I do want to.

                                        And Maryam was an 'ontha', born to the respected Family of Imran, but raised by Zakariya, a respected elder (hukm) in his community. Even in Zakariya's care, Maryam was confined to a room away from people. We read about this in 337 (http//corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=3&verse=37).

                                        In the same verse we also learn about how close was Maryam with God, so much so that God even provided her with unimaginable (at least to Zakariya) provisions. Then Maryam was to be pregnant without a husband. She later left the comfort of Zakariya's care and gave birth to Isha under a palm tree.

                                        Just imagine how great was Maryam's tests, trials and tribulations. Imagine the shock (or perhaps even shame) of her parents. Imagine the look and talk of the people around Maryam. Most people would be bewildered with a daughter like Maryam. Her mother was not an exception, since she gave Maryam to Zakariya's care. Then Maryam got pregnant without a husband. Then the birth of Isha. But as a true servant of God, totally submitting herself to God, Maryam overcame all obstacles with gratitude.

                                        To me, the narrative (hadith) on Maryam is a indeed a reminder to all of us (generations after Maryam) about

                                        Being careful and wise with what we say to God. While there are times when we need to be general (indefinite) about what we ask for or pledge to, there are also times when we need to be very definite. Otherwise, everything will be up to God alone to determine, as in the case of Maryam's mother. She pledged her pregnancy totally and solely to God, and she didn't give birth to a male nor a female, but an 'ontha'. Are we prepared for that?

                                        But instead we should take lessons from Zakariya. "As if it is hard/difficult!" ("Kahiya AAassa" from 'Kaf Ha Ya Ain Sod' in 191). Zakariya was very definite in his prayers to God. Please read 191 to 196. So understandably, God was definite with His reply.

                                        But this is merely my personal comprehension. It may not necessarily be the truth to anyone of you.

                                        God be with you guys.

                                        Cheers!
                                        mohammed noh

                                        Salam

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                                          DrGm
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                                          Adam is mankind with males and females cropped out of the sand as the first creation with a word 'Be' from Him all over the world. Depending upon the nature of the sand the humans are of different color, different faces, their height, the weight; and due to the differences in the sands' nature, one human race is born with such of all morphological variations.

                                          peace Dr,

                                          i wish to join in this discussion from a different angle apart from Joe Betik's.

                                          mankind with different colours is due to their amount of exposure to sunlight. this is the argument from the people who call themselves as scientists. how is this argument seen in the light of quran.

                                          peace

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