New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
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Peace Chimp.
How do you translate 258, 4154 or 7161?
Please have a look here http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-of-SuJuD-from-Quran.html
Summary of issues http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9601641.msg328785#msg328785Here you can read an older article by brother Ayman containing information about the meaning of sujud. At that time he rendered it as "hearing and obeying", which is in the essence no difference to "obedience" http//www.free-minds.org/Old/articles/gods_system/name.htm
Here you contradict yourself concerning the meaning of islam
So what shall it be? A proper noun or a common noun meaning "submission"?
Peace,
Disregard them; they only follow their leaders blindly.
6116 And if you obey most of those on the earth they will lead you away from the path of God; that is because they follow conjecture, and that is because they only guess.
3367 And they will say ?Our Lord, we have obeyed our leaders and our learned ones, but they misled us from the path.?Peace
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Quran 258
"And when We said, "Enter this city and eat from it wherever you will in abundance, and enter the gate bowing humbly and say, 'Relieve us of our burdens.' We will forgive your sins for you, and We will increase the doers of good .""
And We raised over them the mount for their covenant; and We said to them, "Enter the gate bowing humbly", and We said to them, "Do not transgress on the sabbath", and We took from them a solemn covenant.
And , when it was said to them, "Dwell in this city and eat from it wherever you will and say, 'Relieve us of our burdens,' and enter the gate bowing humbly; We will forgive you your sins. We will increase the doers of good ."
In all the meaning is right . . . inventing new meanings is OBVIOUSLY 100% wrong.
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I do not contradict my self over the word Islam.
Islam - the word means "Submission". And it is also a nomenclature - when referring to the Muslim religion it is a Proper Noun.
Proper Nouns to have meanings! For example my name "Amin" is proper name and has a meaning!
Once again . . you simply cannot "invent" new meanings. It is 100% wrong.
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Peace,
Disregard them; they only follow their leaders blindly.
6116 And if you obey most of those on the earth they will lead you away from the path of God; that is because they follow conjecture, and that is because they only guess.
3367 And they will say ?Our Lord, we have obeyed our leaders and our learned ones, but they misled us from the path.?Peace
Sorry - but you are just getting abusive for the sake of abuse . . .
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I am far more educated than you.
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Far more smarter.
Live with it.
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Salaam,
How about inventing new words in ayaats of The Quran? How much "...%" wrong or right is that?
Salaam,
Bender100%. Pointless question. If you want to have a conversation - fine. Try this wise-cracking nonsense . . . I am not interested. Don't bother replying. I will report you for it.
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100%. Pointless question. If you want to have a conversation - fine. Try this wise-cracking nonsense . . . I am not interested. Don't bother replying. I will report you for it.
Salaam,
BLUE 100% wrong or 100% right?
RED I just did it & have mercy on me &
Salaam,
Bender -
And far more arrogant.
Peace
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Salaam,
100% wrong or 100% right?
You for sure can answer this not so bright question.Salaam,
BenderWhen it comes Quran Only - they are nasty as can be . . . but you know protected. . . . dare anyone else counter-act. . .
Dearie - inventing new words is worse than new meanings for words. . . so it is 100% wrong. Given my previous answer . . . it leaves no margin which option.
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I just continued on the list.
You know Shaytaan said "I am better than he"
You indirectly also say "I am better than you"Thus Shaytaan was very arrogant and I unfortunately see those traits in you too without intending to be dogmatic. You know full well I am relatively intelligent but you must shine with your projected intelligence.
Anyway, I have no interest of discussing with arrogant fools when other people are more worthy of my attention. Please continue to study the meaning of the Message instead of getting stuck on words.
Peace
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When it comes Quran Only - they are nasty as can be . . . but you know protected. . . . dare anyone else counter-act. . .
Salaam,
Not sure to who you are talking here.
If you want to say something to me just say it straight, in this way it looks like you have a multiple personality disorder.
And fyi I'm NOT "Quran Only".Dearie - inventing new words is worse than new meanings for words. . . so it is 100% wrong. Given my previous answer . . . it leaves no margin which option.
Here is your chance to correct yourself
Quran 258
"And when We said, "Enter this city and eat from it wherever you will in abundance, and enter the gate bowing humbly and say, 'Relieve us of our burdens.' We will forgive your sins for you, and We will increase the doers of good .""
And We raised over them the mount for their covenant; and We said to them, "Enter the gate bowing humbly", and We said to them, "Do not transgress on the sabbath", and We took from them a solemn covenant.
And , when it was said to them, "Dwell in this city and eat from it wherever you will and say, 'Relieve us of our burdens,' and enter the gate bowing humbly; We will forgive you your sins. We will increase the doers of good ."
You who posses the Arabic language to master degree and is eager to point out others inventions in the ayaats of The Quran, for sure have noticed the 100% wrong inventions in the translations above.
So please remove all the inventions in these translations you copy-pasted.salaam,
Benderps You can not edit your post now but if you ask a moderator kindly, I am sure they will help you further.
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Where? Provide explanation where?
http//www.quran4peace.org/ar_index.html
Sajdah - in Arabic means to prostrate and not "obedience".
If one thinks that "sujud" means someone wiping his forehead on the floor and not "obeying the god" then they have bigger problems than coming here and discussing religion on this forum. Surely, claiming that "sujud" is some superficial mechanical movements instead of "obeying the god" is the attitude of hypocrites and those who mindlessly immitate like monkeys.
The rest of the arguments are just as mindless, such as inability to grasp elementary school level concepts like the difference between proper names and common nouns, confusing nouns (islam) and verbs (to submit), and ignorance that "taslim" is a different Arabic Masdar than "salam", etc.
Peace,
Ayman
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So what shall it be? A proper noun or a common noun meaning "submission"?
Salaam
This because of Arabization.Arabization occur when Islam disseminated to some region.
The word Islam can be transalted into another language as well as the word "Allah".
Some sects believe if this word forbids to be translated, just like tetragramaton, but actually this just ulama's policy.To unite muslims?? Ney.Arabic is just language of Quranic Mushaf, our international one is english, hence why we're not use "Submitter" instead "Muslim".
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Salaam,
Not sure to who you are talking here.
If you want to say something to me just say it straight, in this way it looks like you have a multiple personality disorder.
And fyi I'm NOT "Quran Only".Here is your chance to correct yourself
Quran 258
"And when We said, "Enter this city and eat from it wherever you will in abundance, and enter the gate bowing humbly and say, 'Relieve us of our burdens.' We will forgive your sins for you, and We will increase the doers of good .""
And We raised over them the mount for their covenant; and We said to them, "Enter the gate bowing humbly", and We said to them, "Do not transgress on the sabbath", and We took from them a solemn covenant.
And , when it was said to them, "Dwell in this city and eat from it wherever you will and say, 'Relieve us of our burdens,' and enter the gate bowing humbly; We will forgive you your sins. We will increase the doers of good ."
You who posses the Arabic language to master degree and is eager to point out others inventions in the ayaats of The Quran, for sure have noticed the 100% wrong inventions in the translations above.
So please remove all the inventions in these translations you copy-pasted.salaam,
Benderps You can not edit your post now but if you ask a moderator kindly, I am sure they will help you further.
Bender - so far all you have been is pretty nasty and self-piously sanctimonious . . . thankfully - you are NOT talking to me anymore.
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Salaam
This because of Arabization.Arabization occur when Islam disseminated to some region.
The word Islam can be transalted into another language as well as the word "Allah".
Some sects believe if this word forbids to be translated, just like tetragramaton, but actually this just ulama's policy.To unite muslims?? Ney.Arabic is just language of Quranic Mushaf, our international one is english, hence why we're not use "Submitter" instead "Muslim".
The fact that Quran is in Arabic is far better reason to keep with Arabic. And what is wrong with Arabic? After all God chose to send his message in Arabic.
Arabic is Muslim language and has been. As I have already said . . . all understand if you say "Salah" - Allah and etc.
This because of Arabization.Arabization occur when Islam disseminated to some region.
No it does not. Arabic never even replaced Persian - and they did a LOT for Arabic. Arabic ONLY spread to Arabic/Semitic regions . . else it is the language of Islam.
It is million times better to choose it over English.
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If one thinks that "sujud" means someone wiping his forehead on the floor and not "obeying the god" then they have bigger problems than coming here and discussing religion on this forum. Surely, claiming that "sujud" is some superficial mechanical movements instead of "obeying the god" is the attitude of hypocrites and those who mindlessly immitate like monkeys.
Incorrect - you simply cannot "invent" your own personal meanings. That is just completely nonsense. . .
f one thinks that "sujud" means someone wiping his forehead
It is bowing down - and that is what the word means. Do you have evidence that this word does not mean to bow down? I don't mean your pet theories - hard evidence.
Surely, claiming that "sujud" is some superficial mechanical movements instead of "obeying the god" is the attitude of hypocrites and those who mindlessly immitate like monkeys.
Try not to miss the point . . . The word Sajadah means to "bow down".
The rest of the arguments are just as mindless, such as inability to grasp elementary school level concepts like the difference between proper names and common nouns, confusing nouns (islam) and verbs (to submit), and ignorance that "taslim" is a different Arabic Masdar than "salam", etc.
Sorry - but you are being completely dishonest and frankly plain insulting and rude. That is the sign that argument has run out of you - and you have resorted to abuse.
I think it is you who does not understand the difference between Proper and Common noun - this is why rather than explaining any mistakes you have resorted to petty verbal abuse.
Islam means "to submit" - that is its linguistic meaning. FACT! Countless Arabic sources . . will say it and countless Arabic experts.
Islam as nomenclature refers to the Muslim faith.
Try to say off abuse - pretend that I have made mistake without having the ability to explain it . . . then do not resort to the above.
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I just continued on the list.
You know Shaytaan said "I am better than he"
You indirectly also say "I am better than you"Thus Shaytaan was very arrogant and I unfortunately see those traits in you too without intending to be dogmatic. You know full well I am relatively intelligent but you must shine with your projected intelligence.
Anyway, I have no interest of discussing with arrogant fools when other people are more worthy of my attention. Please continue to study the meaning of the Message instead of getting stuck on words.
Peace
When argument runs out . . .then you get all huffy and start throwing accusations . . .
I have prove I am far better educated and far more intelligent.
Look at your rhetoric. Now THAT is arrogance
I have no interest of discussing with arrogant fools when other people are more worthy of my attention.
You have NOTHING to say to me . . .other than to be rude!
So far . . . whenever you people are beaten . . . and your mistakes are highlighted . . . you get like this.
Abusive.
I have reported you. And will do so again . . . and to see how just this board is.
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Islam as nomenclature refers to the Muslim faith.
Peace the chimp,
I don't feel people are intentionally being rude or arrogant although at times these differences can be heated and you seem to write/reply on too many topics quickly; perhaps a point/topic at a time and write concisely why you disagree ? instead of it's always been this opinion simply elaborate in detail then perhaps brother Ayman and others can reply to that particular point, otherwise we're all over the place looks like spam/noise.
E.g. please explain what word in English best describes/translates as Muslim or what does it mean in Arabic?