Hi
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I'm not saying he is God, BUT he is the son of God. The only and one, mediator between God and people. Soon you will see two witnesses, that will be your last chance. Be prepared my friend. God bless
Hello there. Jesus is the son of God in the same sense as was David, Israel & Ephraim
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Greetings and Peace, all group
It would seem that I'm a latecomer to this thread.
Monotheism is the key; all Prophets (Peace upon them all) came with the same message. Following the example of Moses, or Jesus, or Muhammad, or any other Prophet is fine. It so happens that my wife is also a nontrinitarian Christian...no problem from me.
Regarding some claims that a Jesus has a share in Divinity, this is not supported by the Bible, only by agendas. The following are evidences against the claim.
Here is a short version http//www.aish.com/jw/s/48892792.html
Here is a longer, more scholarly version http//www.gutenberg.org/files/15968/15968-pdf.pdf
Others are free to believe as they will.
ALLAH knows best.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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Peace Abdul-Hadi,
So your wife is a Muslim, and even if there is a lack of Knowledge if she denies the Messenger of Qur'an and Qur'an itself, she fulfills most of what is required by God. The fundamental Message is the same in "pre-Quranic Islam" as in the Message of Qur'an, so your wife follows God. If I had not discovered about Qur'an alone Islam I would probably also have rather called myself Christian than Muslim, but praise to God I found a trace of Truth to follow, so I now know that the term Muslim is describing a certain person who works towards Islam, God's creed, and could as well call themselves Christian and still be Muslim in case you belong to a group who had the Christ as Messenger.
Anyway, we need to love each other as brothers and be equitable. Best is to use no label at all but Muslim but the label Muslim is very misunderstood not only by Muslims themselves but the external viewers who get a negative appeal by traditionalists as they see Islam as a very strange and foreign religion which does not appeal to them at all and they only see Arabs with weird clothing and practices while Islam is in fact very generic and applicable for anyone. In fact one could continue to live practically as a (non-trinitarian) Christian, only believing in Qur'an as a scripture and gain Knowledge and Wisdom from it.
Bible itself destroys its own arguments that Jesus is God and before someone enlightened me about them I still could not believe that Jesus was God. It is illogical in my opinion, not only considering the story of a son of God who "dies" and is killed by crucifixion seems crude. Apart from that, which father would let his son be killed on a cross while watching from Heaven if he happened to be God? It was so ridiculous when I was a child and teenager and it is still laughable.
God bless you
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Greetings and Peace, all group
I normally write muslim instead of Muslim, unless referring to the popular religion called Islam.
I'd probably be more comfortable and welcome in a UU church instead of a traditional mosque.
There is language in the Bible that demonstrates that the Almighty is One and not part of a trinity. The word "echad" leaves no room for doubt in this matter.
http//www.21stcr.org/multimedia-2011/1-articles/ab-echad.html
People have the right to believe whatever they will on this earth. We don't have to agree with them if they are in error, but should stay true to our Guidance.
2136 Say "We believe in GOD and in what was sent down to us and what was sent down to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and what was given to Moses and Jesus, and what was given to the prophets from their Lord; we do not make a distinction between any of them and to Him we submit."
2137 So, if they believe exactly as you have believed, then they are guided; but if they turn away, then they are in opposition and GOD will suffice you against them, and He is the Hearer, the Knower.
6108 And do not insult those who call on other than GOD, lest they insult GOD out of ignorance. And We have similarly adorned for every nation their works; then to their Lord is their return and He will inform them of what they had done.
4133 And who is better in saying than he who invites to GOD, and does good works, and says "I am one of those who have submitted."
ALLAH knows best.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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Salaam brother,
No problem if you call it muslim. I did that for a time as well and I agree that it may sometimes feel better not to affiliate yourself with those who adhere to the populist religion "Islam" instead of the ultimate goal of a person towards islam, but these days when I say Muslim I talk about those who work towards Islam, see the thread http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605447.0 for a reference to what I mean. You are right and I would also rather go to a UU Church than a traditional mosque. My point was that your wife is muslim as in what Qur'an and God defines as a Muslim and not what falsifiers believe.
God bless you
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Allah is NOT a NAME of a God. Allah is simply God in Arabic. Christian Arabs use Allah too. There is a difference between Allah and ilah . Ilah is used to refer to pagan god(s).
Of course, there are some people, Muslims and non-Muslims alike (who are not Arabic speakers, mostly), think that Allah is a personal name of God in Islam. This is bull****.
Many Quran aloners / God alone muslims have known about this but there are some QAs who are still stuck in their traditional thinking.
Allah (Arabic) = Alla (Maltese) = God (English) = Dios (Spanish) = Deus (Portuguese) = Dieu (French) = Gott (German) = Gud (Swedish)
Sorry for being off-topic.
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Greetings and Peace, all group
Indeed
5924 He is GOD; the Creator, the Initiator, the Designer. To Him belong the most beautiful names. Glorifying Him is everything in the heavens and the earth. He is the Noble, the Wise.
ALLAH knows best.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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Salaam,
He has none but all beautiful names bound to His grace, so use whatever seems good to you. The followers of Zarathustra say Ahura Mazda.
The literal meaning of the word Ahura means light and Mazda means wisdom
Quote from Wikipedia.org
EDIT Sent a PM to noshirk instead of going more off-topic here.
God bless you
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Salaam,
I was calling myself Christian before this, but I was non-trinitarian, thus a monotheist. I liked the good things about Jesus, but I never accepted the idea of him being God or even a mediator between me and God.
God blessed me with doubt about it from the start and I was thus not susceptible to the whispers of Satan, praise to God.
For your own good, please leave this Jesus God stuff, if you apply divinity, then the New Testament would contradict itself.
Read books about the myth of Jesus, they will convince you if you think rationally. I completely discarded any, if there even was any, doubt whether I was right or wrong about Jesus. Jesus is not God, and he spoke only the words God told him to. He did not die as an act to return to the Father and to become a divine savior.
For example, Jesus did not let his followers call him lord and many other things which prove that the trinity is just nonsense.
Apart from obvious distortions, the Gospel is interesting to read though, I am sure there is still much Truth in it.
I have thought about and adopted much of the righteous behavior of Jesus in my daily life, nothing wrong with it, but then I did the same with all messengers too though. Perhaps that is the way you will reach Heaven through him?
Either way, welcome to the forum and hope you will discover the Truth with us.
God bless you
Well said
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Peace Abdul-Hadi,
So your wife is a Muslim, and even if there is a lack of Knowledge if she denies the Messenger of Qur'an and Qur'an itself, she fulfills most of what is required by God. The fundamental Message is the same in "pre-Quranic Islam" as in the Message of Qur'an, so your wife follows God. If I had not discovered about Qur'an alone Islam I would probably also have rather called myself Christian than Muslim, but praise to God I found a trace of Truth to follow, so I now know that the term Muslim is describing a certain person who works towards Islam, God's creed, and could as well call themselves Christian and still be Muslim in case you belong to a group who had the Christ as Messenger.
Anyway, we need to love each other as brothers and be equitable. Best is to use no label at all but Muslim but the label Muslim is very misunderstood not only by Muslims themselves but the external viewers who get a negative appeal by traditionalists as they see Islam as a very strange and foreign religion which does not appeal to them at all and they only see Arabs with weird clothing and practices while Islam is in fact very generic and applicable for anyone. In fact one could continue to live practically as a (non-trinitarian) Christian, only believing in Qur'an as a scripture and gain Knowledge and Wisdom from it.
Bible itself destroys its own arguments that Jesus is God and before someone enlightened me about them I still could not believe that Jesus was God. It is illogical in my opinion, not only considering the story of a son of God who "dies" and is killed by crucifixion seems crude. Apart from that, which father would let his son be killed on a cross while watching from Heaven if he happened to be God? It was so ridiculous when I was a child and teenager and it is still laughable.
God bless you
Peace,
You seem to have progress in such great truths. I am so thankful for people like you. I am guided by God and I submit myself to Him. Thank you once again for your words. When I first got saved 10 years ago, I was the best of the Jesus freaks as they are called. I would argue with what I did not understand and what I thought to be right. Now I understand, and your thoughts in this message are outstanding. Thank you!
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Peace,
Praise the Lord for such Guidance. I understand it is easy to idolize Jesus due to his pure nature, but he was not entirely "human" so to say. He was like a living spirit and he spoke from the cradle. But Jesus was like Adam; God just said 'be' and he was, a fine human specimen inside of Mary, fine example of a human, but by far a god and you saw that he was physically like any other man and could die. Can a god die?
No Jesus was just a nice example of how good a man can be and he was a mouth of God due to real-time Guidance. But it was all due to God that he was like that and many people forget that. Same for you and me if we excel as humans and become blessed, we can reach far.
God bless you