My PERSONAL conclusions about salaat (contact prayer)

Keri

Friday prayer? Jumla? or preparation for Shabbat?

The more I ponder, I come to the conclusion that 629 refers to gathering before the beginning of Shabbat

699 O you who believe, when the Congregational Prayer (Salat Al-Jumu`ah)* is announced on Friday, you shall hasten to the commemoration of GOD, and drop all business. This is better for you, if you only knew.

the fact that translators have to ADD that shows that it is an innovation!
.......
So, even the Qur'an confirms that Sabbath was never lost, and that it is Saturday as it had always been since the beginning of time. (one can do the research, as serious scientists PROVED that today's Saturday is really the seventh day!)

That sounds interesting. But could you tell me brother where does Quran confirm that Shabbat was not lost? I think I remember something like it says that Shabbat was only for Jews? (if Im not wrong, not sure right now...)

GODsubmitter

Sorry, I don't understand your question.
I myself am still in doubt whether one is to keep Sabbath and how...

Peace

Keri

Sorry, I don't understand your question.
I myself am still in doubt whether one is to keep Sabbath and how...

Peace

I mean, when you said "So, even the Qur'an confirms that Sabbath was never lost" - did you mean that Quran indirectly speaks about Shabbat by referring to congregational prayer?

GODsubmitter

Yes, I thought so

hawk99

Peace,

Just my personal thoughts

There is much debate about salat, there are those who see 5 salat, 3 salat,
2 salat and no phyical salat in Quran Kareem. Why so many differences? Is it
because salat in and of itself offers a unique challenge to the believers? Is it
because it is one of the things we must "DO" as believers and it cannot be satisfied
by lip service?

God knows and those of intelligence understand the value of the salat. Each
person should do what is in their heart. Salat has been said to be a "gift" from God.
But if salat is a gift why would someone want less than the maximum of a gift if
offered to them? I wonder, if the performance of salat was rewarded by millions of
dollars, would someone prefer 2 over 5? Maybe it is the value that we place on the
salat, five of a good thing is better than two of a good thing, more zakat is better
than less zakat. Five opportunities to make contact with our creator, one would think,
would be preferred over 2 or 3. Who would turn down such an opportunity.

God bless

GODsubmitter

Peace,

Just my personal thoughts

There is much debate about salat, there are those who see 5 salat, 3 salat,
2 salat and no phyical salat in Quran Kareem. Why so many differences? Is it
because salat in and of itself offers a unique challenge to the believers? Is it
because it is one of the things we must "DO" as believers and it cannot be satisfied
by lip service?

God knows and those of intelligence understand the value of the salat. Each
person should do what is in their heart. Salat has been said to be a "gift" from God.
But if salat is a gift why would someone want less than the maximum of a gift if
offered to them? I wonder, if the performance of salat was rewarded by millions of
dollars, would someone prefer 2 over 5? Maybe it is the value that we place on the
salat, five of a good thing is better than two of a good thing, more zakat is better
than less zakat. Five opportunities to make contact with our creator, one would think,
would be preferred over 2 or 3. Who would turn down such an opportunity.

God bless

Beautiful post, Thank you for writing it here!

My only answer to that is that people sometimes do things that do not benefit them, and
"1854 We have cited in this Quran every kind of example, but the human being is the most argumentative creature."

Peace

Timur

Peace hawk.

Maybe it is the value that we place on the salat, five of a good thing is better than two of a good thing, more zakat is better than less zakat. Five opportunities to make contact with our creator, one would think, would be preferred over 2 or 3. Who would turn down such an opportunity.

Then why not a hundred per day? Isn't one golden moment better than a million rotten ones?

There are two recommended times for salat to be found in the quran. Apart from this everyone may uphold his salat according to a suitable schedule, even those two times don't seem to be written in stone. The important thing is to have a schedule at all. The count of salat-units per day and the exact times you do salat are not that important.

Keri

Peace,

Just my personal thoughts

There is much debate about salat, there are those who see 5 salat, 3 salat,
2 salat and no phyical salat in Quran Kareem. Why so many differences? Is it
because salat in and of itself offers a unique challenge to the believers? Is it
because it is one of the things we must "DO" as believers and it cannot be satisfied
by lip service?

God knows and those of intelligence understand the value of the salat. Each
person should do what is in their heart. Salat has been said to be a "gift" from God.
But if salat is a gift why would someone want less than the maximum of a gift if
offered to them? I wonder, if the performance of salat was rewarded by millions of
dollars, would someone prefer 2 over 5? Maybe it is the value that we place on the
salat, five of a good thing is better than two of a good thing, more zakat is better
than less zakat. Five opportunities to make contact with our creator, one would think,
would be preferred over 2 or 3. Who would turn down such an opportunity.

God bless

I dont think our attitude toward God and religion shud be based on "reward" system philosophy. When we pray we do it because we want it, not with a back thought of making a bargain with a Creator. I can not understand those who are so eager about seeking "rewards". Isnt the opportunity to pray, tpo give charity - already a reward in itself? If we looking for a trade deal its value is deficient. Someome may need to pray more someone less. If sticking to Quranic text we can see rather 2+1 prayer than any other pattern. Was it by accident or God knew this model would work better for people? I think the latter is true. Peace.

hawk99

Beautiful post, Thank you for writing it here!

My only answer to that is that people sometimes do things that do not benefit them, and
"1854 We have cited in this Quran every kind of example, but the human being is the most argumentative creature."

Peace

Thank you GODsubmitter,

Peace hawk.

Then why not a hundred per day? Isn't one golden moment better than a million rotten ones?

Peace Timur,

I was only addressing the ongoing debate of 5,3,2 or no salat (contact prayers) per day.

Peace hawk.

exact times you do salat are not that important.

Here the Quran disagrees with you. 4/103

I dont think our attitude toward God and religion shud be based on "reward" system philosophy.

Peace Keri,

How many times does the word "reward" appear in the Quran and for what reasons?
Is not Jannah a reward for the righteous 3/136

When we pray we do it because we want it,because we want it, not with a back thought of making
a bargain with a Creator. about seeking "rewards".

I, like you feel a personal satisfaction before and after the contact prayers as well as offering zakat but there
are many benefits of the contact prayer one of which is obedience to our creator.

You may be confusing bargain and back thought with obedience and pleasing the almighty.

God bless

peace

Timur

Peace Hawk.

Here the Quran disagrees with you. 4/103

Does it? 4103 says, for the believers "salat" is a timed book. So this verse emphasises the importance of having a schedule but does not talk about any specific schedule that has to be the same for everyone.

hawk99

Peace All,

Prostrations from other faiths

Judaism

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3YFP5r5x-w

Orthodox Christianity

2639 And going a little farther he fell on his face and prayed, saying, ?My Father, if it be possible, let this cup
pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will.?

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFBH1Ws2VmY

Buddhist Prostrations

http//www.yowangdu.com/tibetan-buddhism/prostrations.html

Then we revealed to you this scripture, truthfully, confirming previous scriptures, and superseding them.
You shall rule among them in accordance with GOD's revelations, and do not follow their wishes if they differ
from the truth that came to you. For each of you, we have decreed laws and different rites. Had GOD willed,
He could have made you one congregation. But He thus puts you to the test through the revelations He has
given each of you. You shall compete in righteousness. To GOD is your final destiny-all of you-then He will
inform you of everything you had disputed.

God bless

peace

GODsubmitter

Thank you @hawk99

good_logic

Peace all.

Why are we making " salat" so difficult.

GOD wishes no hardship imposed on us in practicing our religion. Any suggestion in mythology as to how to perform some of the details that move us in the direction of making the religion difficult, cannot be from GOD and is not approved by Him.

It is simple, intention to do your "salat" then follow Qoran

GOD says in Qoran when you observe the "salat"

Wash your face, and we have 1 face.
Wash your arms to the elbow, and we have 2 arms.
Wipe your head, and we have 1 head.
Wash your feet to the ankles, and we have 2 feet.

1 + 2 + 1 + 2 = 6
Before performing our 5 daily "salat", we do the above 6 actions in our ablution. This is why Almighty GOD has placed the instruction for ablution in 56. People should be able to do these actions comfortably, without any hardship. People are men, women, left-handed, right-handed, tall, short, fat, skinny, and all sort of other things. How to do the details is up to the individuals.

In regard to our feet, some people might say that the Quran says we should wipe our feet to the ankles instead of washing them. GOD says that He loves those who are clean. The believers should use their own judgment, this is a test for all of us. We must not create division between ourselves dueling on this issue. Regardless of washing our feet or wiping them, GOD will not throw our "salat" to waist.

Our intention and timing must be resolute and our "salat" must be dedicated to GOD ALONE.

God bless you all.

Peace.

hawk99

Peace all.

Why are we making " salat" so difficult.

GOD wishes no hardship imposed on us in practicing our religion. Any suggestion in mythology as to how to perform some of the details that move us in the direction of making the religion difficult, cannot be from GOD and is not approved by Him.

It is simple, intention to do your "salat" then follow Qoran

GOD says in Qoran when you observe the "salat"

Wash your face, and we have 1 face.
Wash your arms to the elbow, and we have 2 arms.
Wipe your head, and we have 1 head.
Wash your feet to the ankles, and we have 2 feet.

1 + 2 + 1 + 2 = 6
Before performing our 5 daily "salat", we do the above 6 actions in our ablution. This is why Almighty GOD has placed the instruction for ablution in 56.

Outstanding!

Thank you

God bless

peace

Bender

Peace all.

Why are we making " salat" so difficult.

GOD wishes no hardship imposed on us in practicing our religion. Any suggestion in mythology as to how to perform some of the details that move us in the direction of making the religion difficult, cannot be from GOD and is not approved by Him.

It is simple, intention to do your "salat" then follow Qoran

GOD says in Qoran when you observe the "salat"

Wash your face, and we have 1 face.
Wash your arms to the elbow, and we have 2 arms.
Wipe your head, and we have 1 head.
Wash your feet to the ankles, and we have 2 feet.

1 + 2 + 1 + 2 = 6
Before performing our 5 daily "salat", we do the above 6 actions in our ablution. This is why Almighty GOD has placed the instruction for ablution in 56. People should be able to do these actions comfortably, without any hardship. People are men, women, left-handed, right-handed, tall, short, fat, skinny, and all sort of other things. How to do the details is up to the individuals.

God bless you all.

Peace.

Salaam,

RED Amazing, just amazing.

May Allah forgive us pr
Bender

GODsubmitter

Peace all.

Why are we making " salat" so difficult.

GOD wishes no hardship imposed on us in practicing our religion. Any suggestion in mythology as to how to perform some of the details that move us in the direction of making the religion difficult, cannot be from GOD and is not approved by Him.

It is simple, intention to do your "salat" then follow Qoran

GOD says in Qoran when you observe the "salat"

Wash your face, and we have 1 face.
Wash your arms to the elbow, and we have 2 arms.
Wipe your head, and we have 1 head.
Wash your feet to the ankles, and we have 2 feet.

1 + 2 + 1 + 2 = 6
Before performing our 5 daily "salat", we do the above 6 actions in our ablution. This is why Almighty GOD has placed the instruction for ablution in 56. People should be able to do these actions comfortably, without any hardship. People are men, women, left-handed, right-handed, tall, short, fat, skinny, and all sort of other things. How to do the details is up to the individuals.

In regard to our feet, some people might say that the Quran says we should wipe our feet to the ankles instead of washing them. GOD says that He loves those who are clean. The believers should use their own judgment, this is a test for all of us. We must not create division between ourselves dueling on this issue. Regardless of washing our feet or wiping them, GOD will not throw our "salat" to waist.

Our intention and timing must be resolute and our "salat" must be dedicated to GOD ALONE.

God bless you all.

Peace.

Thank you so much @good logic!

Timur

Peace good logic.

1 + 2 + 1 + 2 = 6
Before performing our 5 daily "salat", we do the above 6 actions in our ablution. This is why Almighty GOD has placed the instruction for ablution in 56.

Come on, what kind of evidence is this? Have you lost your good logic?

good_logic

Peace Timur.

Thankyou for your post.

"Salat" is a personal connection/relation with your creator.

If you require evidence , ask Him. He is closer to you than your jugular vein.

God bless you.

Peace.

GODsubmitter

The Purpose of Prayer by ?1997 Stan Tenen

The Purpose of Prayer
?1997 Stan Tenen

There are several different forms or modes of prayer.

Basically, HaShem, by withdrawing and producing a "vacant space" (via "tzimtzum&quot, gives us a portion of His Will. This is the source of our "free will."

When our ability to find a place in the world, by means of our portion of His Will, is insufficient, it is appropriate for us to return our will to His. This is prayer.

All prayers involve some level of sacrifice. The most obvious is the sacrifice of our free will to HaShem's Will in prayer. Prayer is not our getting our way based on our will. Prayer is our asking HaShem to take back a bit of our will and use it Himself, better than we could.

The daily prayers we all say require our time and attention. They are expensive in a busy world. With or without kavanah, this is a sacrifice. When we make it freely, it is accepted.

In fact, no matter at what level of intensity (kavanah), when we freely bend our will to HaShem, our prayers are always answered. Of course, when we are in a state of confusion, as is often the case when we are moved to pray most intensely, we may not be able to see the answer ? or we might not be ready to understand how the "answer" is what we were praying for ? or the response might be delayed until the timing of related events (we may also have prayed for) is appropriate.

Simple prayer comes from the heart. But, there is also intellectual prayer. In simple prayer we open our feelings to HaShem ? no thinking is required. A child's spontaneous cry can be a fervent prayer, and as such, it can open the gates of heaven because of its purity and integrity of feeling.

Most adults cannot easily express their truest and deepest feelings spontaneously, like a child. For adults, intellectual prayer can be more accessible.

What in the intellect can correspond to the emotional prayer of an innocent and whole heart? Sacrifice.

For a peasant whose experiences are pragmatic and earthy, sacrifice, might mean giving up a valued physical possession. This is done from the heart, but also from the intellect. The peasant knows what they are doing.

For a more complex person, sacrifice is more subtle. Here the sacrifice is not (only) from one's property (that would be too cheap for an accomplished person), but rather from what is most valuable to an accomplished person, their ego (or more precisely, the illusions of their ego.)

We all have limitations, weaknesses and deficiencies. We develop skills to survive difficult childhoods and a difficult adult world. Our choices and "skills" form our personality. Some of these "skills" are not desirable. They lead to increased ego and self-centeredness rather than to increased humility and empathy. When there is something so important to us that we are moved to ask HaShem to help us attain it, we can offer to make the job "easier" for HaShem (This is a metaphor, HaShem doesn't need it to be easier, only we do.) by readying ourselves to be aware of, to receive, to accept, and to make best use of HaShem's answer. We can do this by letting go of, giving up on, "sacrificing" some part of our ego or our willfulness or our expectations that are not helping us to see and feel our humanity and our place vis a vis HaShem. (For example, we can sacrifice our ignorance by working to learn more.)

When we want to change the world so badly that we cry out to HaShem, our cry may consist of our changing ourselves by releasing some previously highly-valued part of our ego or willfulness that we have previously been dependent on, that now stands in the way.

The new-agers call it "the manifesting principle" and sometimes that lets them forget that it is HaShem and not themselves that does the manifesting. But, the principle is simple

Know what you want.

Clearly and precisely understand what you want by doing the intellectual work needed to really know what you want and how much it costs (or how impossible it is.)
Sacrifice your(ego)self to the task.

Put your heart and soul into your endeavor. Do real work in the physical world towards your goal. Care deeply about the work you are doing. Work (and pray) well beyond your normal point of giving up. Do the work and show your caring anyway, even if it seems that HaShem is not listening.
Return your personal will to HaShem. Give up, be infinitely patient, and pay attention.

The manifesting principle only works when a person has made a real sacrifice and has continued to work even while they have let go of their expectations of the outcome they desire. When a person short-circuits the full process, nothing happens. When there has been no sacrifice, there is nothing for HaShem to respond to.

source
http//www.meru.org/praypurp.html

GODsubmitter

A new interpretation (again ), claiming that there are only THREE Salats.

This presentation is very well analyzed, and explained with proofs, and excellently presented!

From here I congratulate this magnificent guy for his work!

Please have patience and watch all the 9 videos!
Thank you.

Here is the link
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkeHHm8TnF4&list=PL5EboaxHo9UTV4yVpsKWAnn9RC4vmDTa0

Peace