She's Not Naked !!!
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Is that why you didn't spam post that one? Don't worry, you won't catch the lut from looking. Now, what exactly is 'your Lut kind'? Please clarify and with evidence. Thanks.
Read the ayats of Lut in Quran for evidence, witness and clarity. And you will know it is not spam post.
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I am afraid, herbman, if you still can distinguish that there is a woman there, it will not be godd enough for some people.
May be you can think of applying the two state, or better still, the two planet theory for certn types of males. You just provide all the services they get form women, but for the rest you make them dissapear, they induce sin. So in fact with a plastic doll, some robots who take care of household chores and planet far enough where women cam be shipped. Every problem for the virtue of the world would be solved.
Myself I like the outfits, but for women I find that the two piece is far more comfortable if you have to go to the bathroom for instance. But that also might be sinful, you know.
Salaam
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Wow we again have Salafized (Salafi + suffix 'ized' "God-aloner" on here. The one who propahates no modern medicine laws and nowwwwwww "women-must-be-kept-at-home-only" law. Sorry Fazl. I do not mean to be intolerant but your sexist reasoning is outrageous. You remind me of qatief al-azhar who came to Jilbab thread and preached her Salafism there. If people are not exposed to the world and surroundings, they would have IQ and mental retardations.
You expected women to follow everything the wives of the Prophet were commanded. So how about men? Don't they have to follow Prophets? Like the Sunnis? Since there are no mentioned computer and electronic device in the Qur'an then why are you using computer / electronic device? Use papyrus intead!
The verse 3333 is clearly for Prophet's wives only. You added that all believing women must follow the wives' commandments from God. You remind me of Sunnis saying Muslim women must follow the examples of Prophet's wives but at least many of them are not as puritanical as you.
I hope your cult followers would leave your cult and be rational people. Your cult should be put next to Salafi and Deobandi.
Hello everyone. I was born in Eastern country with Muslims (Sunnis) dominate it so bikini is really rude here. I myself do not consider it to be modest. Men's chests are not nudity whilst women's chests (bosoms) are so women MUST cover all parts of their bosoms but I find it ridiculous when men where okay shorts whereas women wear underwear showing some parts of their buttmeat.
Hello all,
would you find this acceptable?
http//www7.pic-upload.de/thumb/16.12.13/xsk4nqa9o9rj.jpg
Peace
It is perfectly okay. I think it is modest.
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Peace huruf,
I do not mind repeating again and again until you get at what I say from every angle possible. Definitely I am not repeating them for no use. At one point you may reach up to me.
Here is an another angle from Wikipedia
In 1946, the term bikini was coined by Louis R?ard,who named the swimsuit after Bikini Atoll, where testing on the atomic bomb took place. Reard chose the name bikini because he believed the suit's revealing style would create a stir among people similar to their shock in response to America?s atomic bombing of Japan the previous summer.
In 1994, the bikini became the official uniform of women's Olympic beach volleyball, sparking controversy, with some sports officials considering it exploitative and unpractical in colder weather, and athletes admitting that the regulation uniform is intended to be "sexy" and to draw attention. Dancers, sex appeal and bikinis worn by women players as much as athletic ability made beach volleyball the fifth largest television audience of all the sports at the Games at Bondi Beach in Australia in 2000 Olympics. The popularity of Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball, a video game for Xbox, was attributed to the scantily clad women.
A bikini is a women's two-piece swimsuit designed to provide maximum least coverage of the body. One part of the attire covers the breasts and the other part covers the groin and part of or the entire buttocks, leaving an uncovered area between the two.
Alas, Bikini is the power of women emancipation to their own thraldom.
Hello everyone. I was born in Eastern country with Muslims (Sunnis) dominate it so bikini is really rude here. I myself do not consider it to be modest. Men's chests are not nudity whilst women's chests (bosoms) are so women MUST cover all parts of their bosoms but I find it ridiculous when men where okay shorts whereas women wear underwear showing some parts of their buttmeat.
Many thanks to your ambiguous sincerity.
- And if We so willed, We could indeed take away whatever We have revealed unto you, and in that state you would find none to plead in your behalf before Us.
This Quran is for all the people of all worlds jinns, women and men. And the verse above is for all. Whoso reads this verse, if you are not a 'salafised' being, would know it is addressed to the individuals who read with some sense in them. If Allah so will, He would remove even the 'mini'-sense one possesses. And therein is the admonition for those who would throw away every bit of sense in them.
Peace
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You expected women to follow everything the wives of the Prophet were commanded. So how about men? Don't they have to follow Prophets? Like the Sunnis? Since there are no mentioned computer and electronic device in the Qur'an then why are you using computer / electronic device? Use papyrus intead!
Men or women or jinns they have to follow their prophets. Who said no?
And who are sunnis? Who are followers of Allah? Who are the followers of Quran? Who are the followers of Rasuls? And who are the followers of the Prophets? Please answer all these questions separately. If you can do there is answer to the following 2 lines of your questions. Let me see what you can do with the super computers you think you had developed without the help of Allah. You have been given a bit of knowledge here and there only to see how arrogantly you become proud of possessing them. It is a severe test unto you indeed.
1783 And when We bestow Our Grace on man, he turns away and becomes arrogant, far away from the Right Path. And when evil touches him he is in great despair. 1785 And mankind have not been given of knowledge except very much in insufficiency."
How ridiculous your wretched computers could become when there is an earthquake, a tsunami or during a flood, tempest, twisters swipe your country. Can your 201st generation computers stop any of these? Or do they create anything live as God has created His living things all around you? When Allah does not send down rain from sky, what could your computers do to bring down rain. And if Allah had not created the elements of your computer assemblages in the earth and had he not assembled your mind into invent such useless things could you even boast of these? Do not you consider all these knowledge human possesses by His leave is a detrimental test unto mankind?
The verse 3333 is clearly for Prophet's wives only.
Tell me why the said verse is in Quran without a purpose if Quran is the Guide for men and women for all time.
Hello everyone. I was born in Eastern country with Muslims (Sunnis) dominate it so bikini is really rude here. I myself do not consider it to be modest. Men's chests are not nudity whilst women's chests (bosoms) are so women MUST cover all parts of their bosoms but I find it ridiculous when men where okay shorts whereas women wear underwear showing some parts of their buttmeat.
It is perfectly okay. I think it is modest.
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Read the ayats of Lut in Quran for evidence, witness and clarity. And you will know it is not spam post.
You haven't answered the question.
I am afraid, herbman, if you still can distinguish that there is a woman there, it will not be godd enough for some people.
May be you can think of applying the two state, or better still, the two planet theory for certn types of males. You just provide all the services they get form women, but for the rest you make them dissapear, they induce sin. So in fact with a plastic doll, some robots who take care of household chores and planet far enough where women cam be shipped. Every problem for the virtue of the world would be solved.
Myself I like the outfits, but for women I find that the two piece is far more comfortable if you have to go to the bathroom for instance. But that also might be sinful, you know.
Salaam
Amazon women from the moon, brilliant solution
Hadn't thought about bathroom breaks tbh, for myself...the thought of something poisonous or slimy brushing against vulnerable flesh is what gives me the heebie jeebies. There was this time when everyone but myself got stung by something weird in the water, apparently it was really painful. I was safe due to my cowardice, there were a couple smug 'told you so's' involved when my lack of participation was mentioned, okay more than a couple till I got threatened with the jellyfish sting cure regardless of my pristine state. If I had to enter mysterious waters, i.e. anything other than a swimming pool and even that is suspect, I'd probably try to get the most beachesque body armour available...maybe even fitted with some type of extreme sonic deterrents, preferably in the shape of a harpoon with a trigger, don't give two figs even if I look like Aqua Robocop.Anyways, these types of threads always tend to bring out the morality police who're there to save our souls because we are wayward children lost to the 'lut kind'. Some day we 'may reach up to them', but as of now we are at the bottom of the barrel trying to shield ourselves from the scintillating brilliance of such people, steadfast in their reformation efforts. Such piousness could make stone weep...tearing up myself, lenses always cause me issues in the morning.
peace
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After women being confined at home or hide in clothes in public and anti modern medicines rules then what else do you want in your fantasy land?
I did not say at all my computer (I am not even using computer, period!) is superb and much better than God.
You are hypocritical that you want modern MMs to be eliminated because they are modern but you yourself are using electronic device, which is modern, man-made and causes harm (ie. myopia).
According to Qur'an, God told a Messenger (not Mohammed) to tell polytheists to kill themselves. Since you consider all types of commandments in Quran as universal then I challenge you to go to Hindu or neopagan forums and tell the members to kill themselves. Please. Or make a video of you shouting "Polytheists, KILL YOURSELVES!" in public and upload it on YouTube. Please.
Wives of other prophets and messengers and other noble women in the Qur'an did go out of home. Mary, Mary, Mary.
You just want it the way you want it. You want a male-dominated world and women to confine themselves at homes or hide themselves in curtains by brainwashing women that by doing so they can be King of their homes.
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Read the ayats of Lut in Quran for evidence, witness and clarity. And you will know it is not spam post.
You haven't answered the question.
1698 When you read Quran seek Allah's protection from Satan the rejected one.
Now you try reading for the answers in this manner.
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Salaam
What the hell is this thread??Each members uphold same Scripture, but differs in prespectives.
I believe this kind of topic will became many episodes, part one, part two..... no ending.To intepreted the Quran is not enough by literal intepretation, playing verses, but also need empiric and ontologic evidences to understand it.
This is why there are some Quranist who didn't believe the existence of ibadah and Nabi Muhammad, this because they only play verses, but lack of proper evidences.I already create similiar one http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605748.0
Oh may very very annoying P
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1698 When you read Quran seek Allah's protection from Satan the rejected one.
Now you try reading for the answers in this manner.
Oh drfazl, thank you! I see now that it's the influence of Satan that's preventing me from seeing the truth unlike your piously protected special soul! Satan wipes his feet on your welcome mat before running away from your door! I've seen the light, do you want your check in the mail or via paypal? And can I get a discount from your usual fee?... When you've exhausted your repertoire of modified Chuck Norris impersonations and/or the usual petty tricks designed to evade/make you look like the kindly benevolent soul you want people to think that you are, I look forward to 'reading for the answers' regarding your interpretation of "I do not belong to your Lut kind as you imagine me to be". I'll even make it easier for you, just choose what you meant.
Let do this...God, protect us from Satan the rejected...annnnddd hajime
a)I don't belong to 'lut kind', you do and you imagine I belong to 'lut kind'? (go through options b to e)
b)I'm not gay, you are and you imagine I'm gay?
c))I'm not indecent, you are and you imagine I'm indecent?
d)I'm not lewd, you are and you imagine I'm lewd?
e)I'm not _____, you are and you imagine I'm _____?All roads lead to a somewhat apologetic conclusion unfortunately but no matter, some choices again...to make the path smoother
f)It was a petty retort, apologies, I'll have better ones next time (sincere).
g)It was a petty retort (snigger/snort).
h)My words only meant good/harmless things! (more than a tad problematic to pull off if sincere...must have an explanation off the beaten path)
i)My words only meant good/harmless things! (fake apology 101 always fall back to the good old misunderstanding excuse, explain it was totally not what the words chosen meant because oops haha silly fingers/keyboard/language/distractions etc)
j)Shove the apologies, I say what I please and do what I please.
k)No apologies for the truth as revealed by the divine to me! I mean what I say and say what I mean! (circle back to options a to e). -
Peace,
There is no compulsion from Quran. Its Allah 's warning for women to protect themselves. Many women get trapped outside of home while in the evening when they loiter late night movie shows, parties, dances etc. The evil in the men is fully functional during the night time.
Whereas Allah wants to purify by 3333, whereas we like get out of House, then its our risk and shirk against 3333.
At least be prayerful while getting out of House and make direct commitment to GOD. "Oh Lord , I am going out of House. Forgive me. I am going against your command 3333. Please make my return safely. Save me from evils from men.". Now step out with GOD confidence that too if its necessary to go out. But Night time stay at home and obey Allah and his messenger. Stay peacefully like a Queen. But you should know your messenger within your community. If you don't know your messenger you are far away from Quran. Everyone should know their messenger. They keep coming but not stop coming.
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Many women get trapped outside of home while in the evening when they loiter late night movie shows, parties, dances etc. The evil in the men is fully functional during the night time.
Yep, evil goes to sleep during the day, or better yet...operates at less than peak capacity. Any women found in the night are women of the night who deserve what they get...why else would a woman go out after dusk I ask you, unless it was for nefarious purposes like movie shows, parties and dances? The men loitering at night who come upon these women are obviously helpless in the face of the fully functioning evil that has unfurled it's icy claws deep into their hearts. Brilliant, Jango...as drfazl would say, pearls of wisdom. -
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That is what we get when we loose sight of the more obvious
Those who opress are worse than murderers.(Qur'an says that opression is worse than murder).And deep in our hearts WE KNOW IT.
Deep in our heart we know that to opress those who cannot defend themselves is damnation for the opressor, and we know when we opress and when we are opressed. To try to obscure this basic line of events with the idiot blabber about "modesty" is simply a symptom of the desease of the drug addict for power. Power is as it is well known, is the hardest drug there is. And it has got a lot of peddlers. Why not sell it to the common male, who can always pick on his women to feel allmighty? That is a sure kill, a depress man, undervalued, with low self-esteem, you inject the idea of his almighteness over others (women) att he very least without no effort.
Realise that when you are forcefed the blabber about modesty, what you are fed in fact is a dose of your power urges addiction who turns you into an evil device. And this is what is served to the masses of Muslims malehood. And what is forcefed down the throats of women to thwart any effort at gaining self-respect.
Realise that you will never have power, you will become old and sick and will be at the mercy of anybody and you will die. Let go of power or selfinduced authority and become a servant.
Service is the highest spiritual degree, not power.
Power rests with God. The power you think you have is a lie Shaytan sells to you and which you buy. And when you make a gift package with the pretty ribbon of "modesty", you are obscuring your soul and mind. You are trying to manipulate others into submission. If you believe in modesty, be modest yourself and let people in peace. Everybody knows and distinguishes perfectly modesty from unmodesty and powerthirsty junkies from honest people.
If you are not power thirsty but have bought into the selfinterested play of others with words for their own gain, think of your own obligations to truth and submission to God and do not opress nor participate in opression of others. Do not play a part in the Shaytanic plot of power (playing with modesty) with Mankind.
Big chunks of the populations of muslim majority countries have been poisoned and trapped in this play of poor powerless but deluded males against their women by convincing them that power is within their reah by merely opressing their womankind. They may be powerless, but they can be allmighty over the women. It is tempting. That is the temptation they should worry about, because harassing women is not due the temptation of lust but to the temptation of power. Power junkies.
The ultimate insult is to disguise that reality into an edulcorated tale about PROTECTING WOMEN. For God's sake! If you do not have the guts to go out and put order into that and claim for the imprisonment of culprits where, according to you they have overstepped the limits, then do not turn on top of it the question into one of modesty. We are, again, in the realm of power and guts. But we want to have everything at the same time, our comfort and our power and that it is given to us for nothing, because we are so cute.
And in all this overpreaching and pounding on women over modesty, for God's sake, never, but never, but never, address males and call them to noble goals or put to them examples like there are in the Qur'an starting with prophet Yusuf. No. Squeez and milk any aya whateve litle trace of anything which may help to keep junkies junkies, that assures their daily dose. But getting them out of the addiction NO, NO, NO. Better the world goes under than give up my feeling of allmightiness. Unthinkable ?"Modesty" come to my rescue!
I realise, as I have said, that many men just buy this line guilelessly and without proper thought, but they should know, they should open their eyes to what they are helping to promote inadvertently.
The crime statistics, so overwhelming, are there as to who is against whom. Ponder. As the Qur'an enjoins so many many times, all the time ponder and do not get suck up in the Shaytanic obssessive sick blabber about the word "modesty", which in this game has been turned into a weapon of mass destruction.
Salaam
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And in all this overpreaching and pounding on women over modesty, for God's sake, never, but never, but never, address males and call them to noble goals or put to them examples like there are in the Qur'an starting with prophet Yusuf. No. Squeez and milk any aya whateve litle trace of anything which may help to keep junkies junkies, that assures their daily dose. But getting them out of the addiction NO, NO, NO. Better the world goes under than give up my feeling of allmightiness. Unthinkable ?"Modesty" come to my rescue!
True, good summation, the patterns are similar in other cases as well. We do know oppression is worse than murder, in order to be truthful to ourselves and those around us, which is what we would do in God's service, we have to see where our preconceived notions etc lie and what we are upholding...who it benefits and how and most importantly, whether it is good thing... for the God does not command evil in any form however sneakily it hides. One of the hardest things for people to do in my experience is try to reach a conclusion by themselves especially in what are considered to be 'religious' matters (God teaches no one else), they prefer to give up and rely on someone else who they see as being an 'authority', this 'authority' must now maintain his authority and the various different factors involved in doing so or a lemming* scenario where no one wants to be on the outside and the more lemmings that jump must mean that it's the right thing to do.*Lemmings apparently don't deliberately commit suicide unless driven to it by shaytanic forces or a camera team who wanted something special.
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Oh drfazl, thank you! I see now that it's the influence of Satan that's preventing me from seeing the truth unlike your piously protected special soul! Satan wipes his feet on your welcome mat before running away from your door! I've seen the light, do you want your check in the mail or via paypal? And can I get a discount from your usual fee?... When you've exhausted your repertoire of modified Chuck Norris impersonations and/or the usual petty tricks designed to evade/make you look like the kindly benevolent soul you want people to think that you are, I look forward to 'reading for the answers' regarding your interpretation of "I do not belong to your Lut kind as you imagine me to be". I'll even make it easier for you, just choose what you meant.
Let do this...God, protect us from Satan the rejected...annnnddd hajime
a)I don't belong to 'lut kind', you do and you imagine I belong to 'lut kind'? (go through options b to e)
b)I'm not gay, you are and you imagine I'm gay?
c))I'm not indecent, you are and you imagine I'm indecent?
d)I'm not lewd, you are and you imagine I'm lewd?
e)I'm not _____, you are and you imagine I'm _____?All roads lead to a somewhat apologetic conclusion unfortunately but no matter, some choices again...to make the path smoother
f)It was a petty retort, apologies, I'll have better ones next time (sincere).
g)It was a petty retort (snigger/snort).
h)My words only meant good/harmless things! (more than a tad problematic to pull off if sincere...must have an explanation off the beaten path)
i)My words only meant good/harmless things! (fake apology 101 always fall back to the good old misunderstanding excuse, explain it was totally not what the words chosen meant because oops haha silly fingers/keyboard/language/distractions etc)
j)Shove the apologies, I say what I please and do what I please.
k)No apologies for the truth as revealed by the divine to me! I mean what I say and say what I mean! (circle back to options a to e).Just because I wanted to guide with one verse from Quran, so much of retort?
"......... they will not spare you any ruin. They wish you would have hardship. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater. We have certainly made clear to you the signs, if you will use reason."
God Bless You
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Just because I wanted to guide with one verse from Quran, so much of retort?
"......... they will not spare you any ruin. They wish you would have hardship. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater. We have certainly made clear to you the signs, if you will use reason."
God Bless You
Yes, I'm very helpful and always offer to help those who've dug themselves into a hole unless they want to stay in there. I can see my help is not wanted nor appreciated. So, a modified version of option i) as was expected. What one verse of the quran did you want to guide with? Please post it and your explanation of "I do not belong to your Lut kind as you imagine me to be" in relation to this one verse of the quran you wanted to guide with which isn't even in the phrase "I do not belong to your Lut kind as you imagine me to be" but tacked on later to unsuccessfully bolster the chosen option i). -
After women being confined at home or hide in clothes in public and anti modern medicines rules then what else do you want in your fantasy land?
If said anything from Quran, it is only a guidance and a glad tiding for those who believe; it shall not be made a rule and there is no force to be applied if you are a believer. There is no fantasy involved in it except a care for.
I did not say at all my computer (I am not even using computer, period!) is superb and much better than God.
That is Breaking News.
You are hypocritical that you want modern MMs to be eliminated because they are modern but you yourself are using electronic device, which is modern, man-made and causes harm (ie. myopia).
You say I have problem of short sight; this is modern medicine; they by their sincere elaborate scientific lab investigations diagnose precisely wrong.
According to Qur'an, God told a Messenger (not Mohammed) to tell polytheists to kill themselves. Since you consider all types of commandments in Quran as universal then I challenge you to go to Hindu or neopagan forums and tell the members to kill themselves. Please. Or make a video of you shouting "Polytheists, KILL YOURSELVES!" in public and upload it on YouTube. Please.
You have understood this ayat in this manner? If you are a believer you can do yourself in the way you had understood. In this way of understanding there is not only force but killing instinct and great arrogance, contradicting Quran itself, bringing a very bad repute to Allah and His messengers and all the believing men and women. This way of understanding is islamic fundamentalism, like the talibans. The verses do not have the mundane meaning; ponder over the ayat and think and construe the best meanings from a better platform. Use 1698 before the Reading. Because of the bad understanding of Quran, the entire muslim society is looked down upon and is teated like first ranking criminals in the entire world.
6835 Then will We treat the Muslims like the criminals?
Wives of other prophets and messengers and other noble women in the Qur'an did go out of home. Mary, Mary, Mary.
Mary, did go out towards the east to a secluded place away from men even of her own, and not in a dress this thread is discussing about. So you may follow Mary at least, if she is our heroine at this moment.
You just want it the way you want it. You want a male-dominated world and women to confine themselves at homes or hide themselves in curtains by brainwashing women that by doing so they can be King of their homes.
No. As the way our Guidance, the verses of Allah that guides us. And guidance is not a force at all. You have full freedom to act according to how you take it. Meanings differ from person to person. Only Allah knows who is in the right path. So here we communicate with freedom of speech and actions.
" Who listen to speech and follow the best of it. Those are the ones Allah has guided, and those are people of understanding."
Peace
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Peace,
what on earth...? It's alright to just tell us you really liked that image drfazl...no need to spam. How about this one? Does this not suit your fancy or raise your ire as much as the woman? The other link has some dim camera work, otherwise better model in my humble opinion even if he does look a bit like Derek Zoolander.
This post smacked the kind of Lut people; you posted this to me; a spam post; and as a response to what I posted of the bikini clad one, the subject matter. The image link was posted in this thread by one of the members with some nice words
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606042.msg343104#msg343104