She's Not Naked !!!
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or.. mental strength is the ability to overcome mental resistance (negativity.. I can't do this, I can't do that.. I'm afraid of this, I'm afraid of that... I can't.. I can't.. I can't.. I can't.. and so on), preferably from unusual experiences. Things that are accomplished by exercising or repeated actions are "psychological strength". Gaining self belief through experiences and routines. It's got nothing to do with "mental, it is "belief" that are accomplished from routines, from experiences.
I asked you earlier to define what exactly you see as "mental strength" because I felt it's important to establish whether we are talking about the same concept or not. I posted a definition and gave my own opinion as well. You have refused to properly reply, or offer an other explanation or definition. Instead, you just keep criticizing my defintions and staying rather dubious.
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I asked you earlier to define what exactly you see as "mental strength"
Read again...
Does that sound about right? Is this how you would define the term? If yes, I don't see how it should depned on the gender whether a person possesses mental strength or not.
Mental strength generally is an attribute that allow a person to persevere through the most difficult circumstances and emerge without losing confidence.
or.. mental strength is the ability to overcome mental resistance (negativity.. I can't do this, I can't do that.. I'm afraid of this, I'm afraid of that... I can't.. I can't.. I can't.. I can't.. and so on), preferably from unusual experiences.
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I can see how God's words have been twisted and pulled on to suit chauvinism.... Disappointing.
Peace, Men and women are a team, one complimenting the other.
Men are to (help) provide and protect their families 4/34
PROVIDE
One can provide by supporting, encouraging, enabling, informing.
Those who cannot afford to get married shall maintain morality until GOD provides for them from
His grace. Those among your servants who wish to be freed in order to marry, you shall grant them their
wish, once you realize that they are honest. And give them from GOD's money that He has bestowed upon you.
You shall not force your girls to commit prostitution, seeking the materials of this world, if they wish to be chaste.
If anyone forces them, then GOD, seeing that they are forced, is Forgiver, Merciful.Men are to provide the dowry as an indicator of his ability to provide for a family, this is incumbent upon
men not women.PROTECT
You may also fight them to eliminate oppression, and to worship GOD freely. If they refrain, you shall
not aggress; aggression is permitted only against the aggressors.Men possess superior strength over women thereby being more suited for war.
But all of men's strengths are nullified if you are not given birth and nuturing by the woman!
Sahih International 46/15 And We have enjoined upon man, to his parents, good treatment. His mother carried
him with hardship and gave birth to him with hardship, and his gestation and weaning is thirty months.
until, when he reaches maturity and reaches forty years, he says, "My Lord, enable me
to be grateful for Your favor which You have bestowed upon me and upon my parents and to work righteousness
of which You will approve and make righteous for me my offspring. Indeed, I have repented to You, and indeed,
I am of the Muslims."We enjoined the human being to honor his parents. His mother bore him, and the load got heavier
and heavier. It takes two years (of intensive care) until weaning. You shall be appreciative of Me, and of your
parents. To Me is the ultimate destiny.Anyone who has raised children knows what a difficult duty that can be.
Thank God for women because their role in our existence cannot be appreciated enough.
God bless
peace
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By the way, you repeatedly make a weird ending comment on your reply, such as "I am surprised you don't seem to be aware of this.".
I'm sure you can express your opinion without these kind of comments ...
or maybe it is a sign lack of self esteem or mental strength.First of all, there was nothing insulting in my comment and nothing that warrants an attempt at a personal attack. Many of your statements in this thread are deeply patronizing, insulting, and offensive to women but I don't see any of us making derogatory remarks about your lack of character, strength, or self-esteem.
Secondly, I stand by what I wrote because I am very puzzled and, to be honest, shocked, that you don't see m to have any awareness of this issue.
Not only has the connection between body and mind, between exercise and mental health, sports and self-esteem been researched, talked, and written about extensively. It is also hard not to observe this phenomena in yourself or in others around you. Yet you criticize me for pointing out that connection and even deny that it exists.
Do you exercise regularly? Have you ever trained for a marathon, a sports competition, or set yourself any kind of goal in terms of physical exercise? If yes, didn't you observe that your self confidence and mood improved along with your stamina?
Pushing yourself beyond your comfort levels and enjoying better health, higher stress resistance, a nicer body etc. can and does help people develop self-confidence and mental strength. If you haven't experienced this in yourself, how about the world around you? Have you never observed how exercise can help people improve their life on many levels?
You are obviously an educated person with access to books, TV, magazines, newspapers, and the internet. I find it hard to believe that you've never come across this issue, never read about it, watched a documentary, never seen any research.
confused
Reading your posts here gives me the impression that you are quite young and don't have much life experience ? or that you don't reflect much on the things happening around you and don't listen to people with attention and empathy. I might be wrong but you also give the impression that you're not having many meaningful conversations with women and are lacking serious and deep relationships with them. Otherwise I can't explain why your descriptions of men and women have so very little to do with reality.Women are not born or created by God with a tolerance for abuse, weakness, or more patience. Again, I wonder about your lack of real life experiences and research. Abuse is a vicious circle, people who get abused as children often turn into abusers themselves, or search out abusers as partners. Whether a person becomes an abuser or a victim of abuse is NOT a question of gender or genetics.
You are not born with more "mental strength" than half of the world's population. I don't believe for a second that you are more rational or mentally stronger than me because you have a different set of chromosomes.
or.. mental strength is the ability to overcome mental resistance (negativity.. I can't do this, I can't do that.. I'm afraid of this, I'm afraid of that... I can't.. I can't.. I can't.. I can't.. and so on), preferably from unusual experiences.
Negativity and lack of self confidence are not a matter of genetics or gender. The foundation for a healthy sense of self are being laid in childhood and youth. Whether a child grows into a person with a healthy self-confidence or a person full of doubt and fear depends hugely on his/her upbringing.
There are many people who were raised by neglecting, uncaring, toxic, or abusive families but are able to free themselves from negative thinking, fear, and lack of self-confidence. This sort of spiritual and psychological work takes a lot of determination, persistance, and courage ? in other words mental strength. Mental strength is NOT never experiencing crisis, doubt, or fear. Mental strength is overcoming those restrictions and growing into a better human being.
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But all of men's strengths are nullified if you are not given birth and nuturing by the woman!
?We enjoined the human being to honor his parents. His mother bore him, and the load got heavier
and heavier. It takes two years (of intensive care) until weaning. You shall be appreciative of Me, and of your
parents. To Me is the ultimate destiny.Anyone who has raised children knows what a difficult duty that can be.
Thank God for women because their role in our existence cannot be appreciated enough.
You talk about women but your posts sounds to me as if you're exclusively referring to mothers. Are women only to be appreciated if they are mothers? Aren't there many other things women should be appreciated for? Isn't there a multitude of different roles women can fulfill?
This reminds me of the often heard phrase that "Islam respects women as mothers, daughters, and wives". What about women who aren't/don't want to be mothers and wives? What about those whose parents died or who cut off ties with them? This sort of rhetoric gives the impression that women are only respected and valued if they are attached to a man and/or children.
hypno
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Many of your statements in this thread are deeply patronizing, insulting, and offensive to women but I don't see any of us making derogatory remarks about your lack of character, strength, or self-esteem.
So it is becoming an insult simply because I don't agree with your opinions? amazing... laugh
Emotional strength have its pair or weaknesses, so as everything else in this world, including mental strength. There is no single thing in this world that have 100% strength or 100% weakness. It is a strength when dealing with their children, and it is a weakness when dealing with love or abuse. That's why we have Islam, to learn how to balance all these kind of things. The point is women are able to handle their emotions pretty well and this area is their greatest strength...
I'm not going to reply to the rest of your statements because it sounds very funny, and since it also clear that....
The fact that women have lots of "fear" (worriness) in themselves, is a clear proof that they lack of mental strength. Women worry about everything, including shoes, makeup and all tiny issues. They even worry what people think about them on those very small issues, which most men think is quite ridiculous. Most of them even need to communicate or talk to people for releasing their tensions. They need someone to hear and listen to their feelings. Further and in general, their accomplishment are not due to their self interest, but more because of they "fear" of something (humiliation, expectation from people they love, fear of not being accepted by society or co-workers, fear people will hate them, fear of no equal treatments etc.). Fear and worriness is dominant in their life.
These are only small things that women worried about in their daily life... There are other things that are totally weird to men..
Comparison with the definition of "mental strength"...
Mental strength generally is an attribute that allow a person to persevere through the most difficult circumstances and emerge without losing confidence.
or.. mental strength is the ability to overcome mental resistance (negativity.. I can't do this, I can't do that.. I'm afraid of this, I'm afraid of that... I can't.. I can't.. I can't.. I can't.. and so on), preferably from unusual experiences.
and proven through how you write your reply ... clear proof for lack of self esteem and confidence in expressing your opinion. Proof that "fear is dominant" and there is an urgency to prove self is better by offending others with irrelevant issues etc.
You need more exercise.
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Peace family,
The oppression of women, like all oppression, is the denial of their dreams. Sometimes its the fear
of losing control, or paternalism gone awry that has the effect of making our daughters unhappy, while
we men say that we "know" what is best, ignoring their pleas for equality which is what is best. We as believers
must prove that God is in control and get out of the way and remove the yoke from around the necks of our
women. Would we men like to be treated as we treat the women? Treating them like children who are not
capable of making their own decisions and mistakes like us?These two ayats understood as one makes it clear that we men are not to control but to let the women
have control over themselves.If a woman senses oppression or desertion from her husband, the couple shall try to reconcile
their differences, for conciliation is best for them. Selfishness is a human trait, and if you do good and
lead a righteous life, GOD is fully Cognizant of everything you do.There shall be no compulsion in religion the right way is now distinct from the wrong way. Anyone
who denounces the devil and believes in GOD has grasped the strongest bond; one that never breaks. GOD
is Hearer, Omniscient.God bless
peace
Peace leyna,
I can't put all my ideas in every post, and maybe they are not worth reading, but I am totally for women's rights.
Anyway, if I'm for mothers rights why wouldn't I be for daughters rights?Please read above
God bless
peace
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Abused by women or their wife? I guess you are taking 1-2 cases as your authority against the general conditions of life known by billions of people, and since thousand years ago ... which I find it is not a reasonable conclusion or not a serious argument, logically speaking.
Unfortunately, your assumptions are wrong. If you don't believe me I suggest you use google and educate yourself. Here are a few links to get you started
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About two in five of all victims of domestic violence are men, contradicting the widespread impression that it is almost always women who are left battered and bruised, a new report claims.Men assaulted by their partners are often ignored by police, see their attacker go free and have far fewer refuges to flee to than women, says a study by the men's rights campaign group Parity.
The charity's analysis of statistics on domestic violence shows the number of men attacked by wives or girlfriends is much higher than thought. Its report, Domestic Violence The Male Perspective, states "Domestic violence is often seen as a female victim/male perpetrator problem, but the evidence demonstrates that this is a false picture."
?http//www.theguardian.com/society/2010/sep/05/men-victims-domestic-violence
http//www.hiddenhurt.co.uk/male_victims_of_domestic_violence.html
http//www.mayoclinic.com/health/domestic-violence-against-men/MY00557
http//www.helpguide.org/mental/domestic-violence-men-abused-by-women.htm
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_against_men
http//www.news.com.au/national/hidden-epidemic-of-women-beating-up-men/story-e6frfkvr-1225869842575
http//jezebel.com/5509717/domestic-violence-are-women-as-abusive-as-men
Yes, men and boys get abused and this is not an exception but a sad reality. Men get abused by other men, and they also get abused by women.
There are many abusive women out there. Maternal abuse is a big issue in this world, and sons as well as daughters are suffering from it. I know you don't like to hear about these facts because they don't support your fantasies about soft, weak, and emotional women who are always loving and caring towards their offspring and spouse, but whether you like it or not, this is reality.
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So it is becoming an insult simply because I don't agree with your opinions? amazing... laugh
Please re-read your own posts.
You wrote
? Women possess "less mental strength", that's why men are "inventors and pioneers" and we supposedly aren't.
? We will stay with an abuser "even if he beats us to death". Tolerating abuse is a sign femininity, not of low self-esteem or psychological problems. So according to you, God created women to be doormats.
? Women have many problems with "self confidence" and "self esteem", and that's why they wear makeup and need pretty clothings etc.
? I'm lacking self-esteem, mental strength and "confidence in expressing my opininon".
Those statements are not merely an expression of a different opinion, they are patronizing and insulting.
Women worry about everything, including shoes, makeup and all tiny issues. They even worry what people think about them on those very small issues, which most men think is quite ridiculous. Most of them even need to communicate or talk to people for releasing their tensions. They need someone to hear and listen to their feelings. Further and in general, their accomplishment are not due to their self interest, but more because of they "fear" of something (humiliation, expectation from people they love, fear of not being accepted by society or co-workers, fear people will hate them, fear of no equal treatments etc.). Fear and worriness is dominant in their life.
I don't worry about shoes or makeup and know few women who do. hmm
I established a successful career because I absolutely love what I'm doing and find fulfillment in it, not out of fear of humiliation ? what an absurd idea.
I know countless men who could be described exactly the way you're describing women above. What in the world makes you think that you are an expert on women and know us better than we know ourselves?
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Peace to all
Why all this vindication from the male users here?
Why do you feel the need to apologize for something you have not done?
Why do the males here feel the need to tell the women in this forum that they are "all for womens rights"?The subject was about bikinis on the beach. A memeber even posted pictures on some male and female bikinis, the female bikinis seemed to be okay to wear but no comments regarding the male bikini.
Do I too have the need to say that I am all for womens rights only because I feel bikinis is a big no no for believing women? Am I an oppressor because I give believers the advice to stay away from the beach where disbelievers occupy the beach?
Why would a pious man/woman g? to a place where almost all people are atleast half-naked? How do a believer feel when she/he knows there are disbelieving men/women having sexual fantasies about your respected person?
Society has brainwashed people that it's okay to walk around half-naked to a place full with other half-naked people, people have been brainwashed do things and to look in a certain way that is not very natural. This is what we should fight against.
Peace -
What is really a mistery for me is that I see people who don't have anything with the Quran but are not brainwashed by the society and think for themselves, lead beautiful lives and have more common sense than some of the people here. but it is probably as someone said earlier - God is not confined inside a book and He guides whom he wants.
I don't agree with everything she says but more common sense than some ppl around here...http//m.youtube.com/watch?v=WJVHRJbgLz8&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DWJVHRJbgLz8
Peace brother/sister.
This woman deserves all respect! She is a strong woman who stands against oppression.
Thank you for posting the link.
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I'm not going to reply to the rest of your statements because it sounds very funny, and since it also clear that....
The fact that women have lots of "fear" (worriness) in themselves, is a clear proof that they lack of mental strength.
Women worry about everything, including shoes, makeup and all tiny issues. They even worry what people think about them on those very small issues, which most men think is quite ridiculous.
Most of them even need to communicate or talk to people for releasing their tensions. They need someone to hear and listen to their feelings.
Further and in general, their accomplishment are not due to their self interest, but more because of they "fear" of something (humiliation, expectation from people they love, fear of not being accepted by society or co-workers, fear people will hate them, fear of no equal treatments etc.).
Fear and worriness is dominant in their life.
So instead of addressing my points you post a paragraph mocking and insulting women and claim you won't reply because women worry too much about each and everything? hypno What does one have to do with the other? It looks to me as if you're just looking for a way out because you're starting to realize that you don't really know how to present a credible counterargument.
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Counterargument against the fallacy of cherry picking? confused
Maybe you are an exception to most women in this world.
Most women worry about everything. It is natural.
It is not an insult, it is facts... and that's why women are multitasking
This is a simple reading, or listening (audio book)..
https//sites.google.com/site/menmarswomenvenuspdf/
http//api.ning.com/files/X9oD7A8iJ3cP0RzZs3tsIore-GFef4kGTcEMGJBUiiBJgxTX38CcZk6V8KsblylptXz*PZe2u02zG6G8IMLp7YgzBBiUeCeo/file.pdf
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Why would a pious man/woman g? to a place where almost all people are atleast half-naked? How do a believer feel when she/he knows there are disbelieving men/women having sexual fantasies about your respected person?
Why would anyone go to a beach? Because it's wonderful to swim in the sea, feel and smell the air, be out in nature. I'm going to spend Christmas on my favourite beach here in Sinai and can't wait to go.
Regarding sexual fantasies ? I feel more violated walking the streets of Cairo fully dressed than being on a beach wearing a bikini.
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Peace All.
Nothing changes as far as those who follow traditions of their fathers are concerned. Men s rules have been created and endorsed by generation after generation to oppress and degrade women and the descent folks in most societies particularly the so called " Muslim ummah"
God wants us to enjoy the good things he has created.Why are we forbidding them?
What crime a person going swimming is committing? Who decides what clothes he/she will wear ?Surely the one who is going to swim?As long as he/she is wearing the "clothes of righteousness"inside him/her,he/she has a right to choose?
Look at the mockery the so called " muslim ummah" is doing with "women" in the name of false religion.False interpretations of the word of GOD!
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-OPhi05QP4
May the Lord have mercy on us and help us eradicate these pagan practices.
Peace to you.
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Yes, indeed, enjoying the good things of creation is an excellent way to glorify God.
It is true that for some people it seems to be also a fantastic way of practising telepathy as Haibbulah gives to understand in his message
Why would a pious man/woman g? to a place where almost all people are atleast half-naked? How do a believer feel when she/he knows there are disbelieving men/women having sexual fantasies about your respected person?
I myself have never had the curiosity to know who is having what thoughts, least of all fantasies (and sexual on top) when I am in a public place. But that I should know that anybody in the crowd would be having a feast imagining whatever, to me it is completely out of reach. How could anybody know that? May be they are dreaming that they are eating milk with rice, or some delicacy.
Really, why do people think that the only thing in this world is sex. Are they obssessed or what? Retorial question, we do know they are obssessed, but they are also completely nuts. My, my, my!
Salaam
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Peace Leyna,
Do not you worry about him. He will have a difficult time at a later occasion.
God bless you
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Peace to all
The subject was about bikinis on the beach. A memeber even posted pictures on some male and female bikinis, the female bikinis seemed to be okay to wear but no comments regarding the male bikini.
Peace Habibullah,
My post regarding men in bikinis was an attempt to start a dialogue about modesty but no one would bite
Peace to all
Why would a pious man/woman g? to a place where almost all people are atleast half-naked? How do a believer feel when she/he knows there are disbelieving men/women having sexual fantasies about your respected person?You are taking a leap to assume that the half naked person is pious, I did not say that the half naked person
was modest or pious, I only stated that they have the right to go to the beach.Society has brainwashed people that it's okay to walk around half-naked to a place full with other half-naked people, people have been brainwashed do things and to look in a certain way that is not very natural. This is what we should fight against.
PeaceI would say that "brainwashing" would not be accurate because there is no coercive methods of indoctrination
used, and that freedom is better than oppression...those who want to go...go, those who do not want to go, don't go.Do I too have the need to say that I am all for womens rights only because I feel bikinis is a big no no for believing women? Am I an oppressor because I give believers the advice to stay away from the beach where disbelievers occupy the beach?
I think you have a valid point about giving advice, my point is that women have the right to accept or reject my
opinion as well as yours.God bless
peace