3 times Salat (2+1) in Qur'an, 2 page PDF with Color Charts.

Bender

You are repeatedly rude and attempt at humour . . . no way jose.

Do that I will do the same to you. . .

Attempt to abuse me - I will report - and if they take no action well . . . .

Salaam,

Why is it that you turn away when I remind you of Allah?

Salaam,
Bender

Bender

And did this Allah appear out of the blue?

You invent whatever you like - we already know it has nothing to do with Islam, Quran and Allah.

Salaam,

RED Is this the way you talk about Allah? You are of the worst kind. This is my last conversation with you till you repent and turn your face to Allah.

My Rab, Allah, does whatever He wants and He is capable of every matter, only if you knew this.

Salaam,
Bender

The_Chimp

Salaam,

Why is it that you turn away when I remind you of Allah?

Salaam,
Bender

And who are you to remind me . . . cut out the rudeness and insults have you? Pathetic isn't it . . . . on one hand you have trouble with petty insults and then pretense at being pious?

Is it because people like you are affected by Satan . . . just wondering?

I mean let us face it . . . a serious question - that is beyond you . . . pettiness. . . . well!

The_Chimp

Salaam,

RED Is this the way you talk about Allah? You are of the worst kind. This is my last conversation with you till you repent and turn your face to Allah.

My Rab, Allah, does whatever He wants and He is capable of every matter, only if you knew this.

Salaam,
Bender

"This is my last conversation with"

Hallelujah . . .

You are petty and and simply keen to insult - nothing more. I am glad . . . if you have anything to add to debate . . . do so.

Else . . . waste your time someplace else.

unknownuser

Actually most Muslims consider there to be 5 prayers . . . everyone cannot start inventing their own times.

2 prayers is based on mistakes. There are 5 prayers and history tells us there have been 5 prayers. .

I don't know before if you're a Sunni.

When I study hadith, I got this points

-Hadith is failed to give proper definition for some terms, example Most muslim keep said Subuh while salat taken place at dawn.
-Hadith contains some difficult Arabic format, more difficult to translated rather than Quran.So it's not easy to create proper phrases for hadith translation.
When translators don't understand a difficult word within hadith, then they rely on a bunch of tafseer encyclopedias by some mufassir who lived in 11th - 14th centuries, long time after the death of Nabi Muhammad.

So it's funny Hadith claimed to be as tafseer of the Quran.
To understand this tafseer book we even need mufassir, yay
but when mufassir stuck on single word or verse then they need another mufassir to understand it. rotfl
All the mufassir lived long time after death of Nabi confused

A tafseer book but need another tafseer book to understand it rotfl
Is this kind of methods authorized by Nabi?? This is how the Holy Quran hijacked??

Peace

Wakas

Have you read the article? It does not "smash" the 5 salat myth. . . and is consistent with Muslim version of events.

Yes it is consistent of learned Muslim version of events, but not your version that you stated.

If you want to be accurate, your former statement of "Actually most Muslims consider there to be 5 prayers . . . everyone cannot start inventing their own times.

2 prayers is based on mistakes. There are 5 prayers and history tells us there have been 5 prayers."

Should read

Actually most Muslims consider there to be 5 prayers now . . . everyone cannot start inventing their own times or reverting back to what the early Muslims did.

2 prayers now is based on mistakes in my view. There are 5 prayers after the alleged isra & miraj (night journey and ascension story) and history tells us there have been 5 prayers AFTER the isra & miraj. Before that, there was 2 or maybe 3.

Note the great difference (bold and underlined) between what you said and what actually is the case according to your very own Traditional Islamic history. If you had said that, I'd have no problem with it.

The fact is the vast majority of Muslims do not know this was the case. I'd estimate 98+%.

hafeez_kazi

Peace The Chimp

Please provide the three missing names, ZUHR, ASR, and MAGHRIB, of the SALAT from the Quran, And I am sure you CANNOT, and then in that case

Wert thou to follow the common run of those on earth, they will lead thee away from the way of Allah. They follow nothing but conjecture they do nothing but lie. (Al-An'aam 116)

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Keri

Actually most Muslims consider there to be 5 prayers . . . everyone cannot start inventing their own times.

2 prayers is based on mistakes. There are 5 prayers and history tells us there have been 5 prayers.

Same history which conveyed the Quran and Arabic . . . which you are FORCED to accept.

That the majority do something is NOT a proof of its truthfulness. In fact, according to Quran the majority will be disbelievers. Even hadiths says that only one out of 1000 is righteous who is saved (although I dont support legitimacy of hadith). So you need to try to come up with some better argument than "most Muslims do", as it speaks against your point actually. Peace.

The_Chimp

Yes it is consistent of learned Muslim version of events, but not your version that you stated.

Learned? What does that mean? Please look at what I said. . . it is consistent with Sunni Muslim version of events. And what is the version of events that I have stated?

I state nothing other than the Sunni version of events.

Actually most Muslims consider there to be 5 prayers now . . . everyone cannot start inventing their own times or reverting back to what the early Muslims did.

This is simply your bias and nothing more. Earlier Muslims did NOT pray 2 prayers - neither that particular document nor Muslims sources state this.

Note the great difference (bold and underlined) between what you said and what actually is the case according to your very own Traditional Islamic history. If you had said that, I'd have no problem with it.

The fact is the vast majority of Muslims do not know this was the case. I'd estimate 98+%.

Incorrect. Sunni Muslim story of how Salat came to being is pretty well know. As you state - you have nothing besides your own bias and er . . . "estimates".

The_Chimp

Peace The Chimp

Please provide the three missing names, ZUHR, ASR, and MAGHRIB, of the SALAT from the Quran, And I am sure you CANNOT, and then in that case

Wert thou to follow the common run of those on earth, they will lead thee away from the way of Allah. They follow nothing but conjecture they do nothing but lie. (Al-An'aam 116)

Thanks

Quran 2458

O you who have believed, let those whom your right hands possess and those who have not reached puberty among you ask permission of you at three times before the dawn prayer and when you put aside your clothing at noon and after the night prayer. three times of privacy for you. There is no blame upon you nor upon them beyond these , for they continually circulate among you - some of you, among others. Thus does Allah make clear to you the verses; and Allah is Knowing and Wise.

Quran 2238

Maintain with care the prayers and the middle prayer and stand before Allah , devoutly obedient.

Quran 1778

Establish prayer at the decline of the sun until the darkness of the night and the Qur'an of dawn. Indeed, the recitation of dawn is ever witnessed.

Asr -

Quran 11114

And establish prayer at the two ends of the day and at the approach of the night. Indeed, good deeds do away with misdeeds. That is a reminder for those who remember.

Maghrib

Approach of the night is not the night - neither it is middle of the day nor is it at the decline of the sun.

The_Chimp

That the majority do something is NOT a proof of its truthfulness.

Nope it isn't. However - we are not just talking about anonymous mass of people . . . . but within it are highly qualified scholars . . . one can reel name after name. And this continues to this day . . . A qualified opinion is something else against an unqualified opinion.

So . . . over the years scholar after scholar . . .

In fact, according to Quran the majority will be disbelievers.

I have no idea what this means . . . and you have not referenced it either.

Are you saying - that for 1500 years most who have claimed to be Muslims are Kafirs ?

Even hadiths says that only one out of 1000 is righteous who is saved (although I dont support legitimacy of hadith).

Again - unreferenced . . .

So you need to try to come up with some better argument than "most Muslims do", as it speaks against your point actually.

Most Muslims do - is neither end all or beginning of my argument. Nor an accurate version of it.

The_Chimp

I don't know before if you're a Sunni.

When I study hadith, I got this points

-Hadith is failed to give proper definition for some terms, example Most muslim keep said Subuh while salat taken place at dawn.
-Hadith contains some difficult Arabic format, more difficult to translated rather than Quran.So it's not easy to create proper phrases for hadith translation.
When translators don't understand a difficult word within hadith, then they rely on a bunch of tafseer encyclopedias by some mufassir who lived in 11th - 14th centuries, long time after the death of Nabi Muhammad.

So it's funny Hadith claimed to be as tafseer of the Quran.
To understand this tafseer book we even need mufassir, yay
but when mufassir stuck on single word or verse then they need another mufassir to understand it. rotfl
All the mufassir lived long time after death of Nabi confused

A tafseer book but need another tafseer book to understand it rotfl
Is this kind of methods authorized by Nabi?? This is how the Holy Quran hijacked??

Peace

I do not wish to be rude to you . . . or anyone! However when you says

-Hadith is failed to give proper definition for some terms, example Most muslim keep said Subuh while salat taken place at dawn.
-Hadith contains some difficult Arabic format, more difficult to translated rather than Quran.So it's not easy to create proper phrases for hadith translation.
When translators don't understand a difficult word within hadith, then they rely on a bunch of tafseer encyclopedias by some mufassir who lived in 11th - 14th centuries, long time after the death of Nabi Muhammad.

I do not believe you at all. What is the level of your Arabic?

Wakas

The chimp,

Please note that lying or deceiving forum members may be in breach of forum rules.

I request clarification/evidence for your two statements below

This is simply your bias and nothing more. Earlier Muslims did NOT pray 2 prayers - neither that particular document nor Muslims sources state this.

Incorrect. Sunni Muslim story of how Salat came to being is pretty well know. As you state - you have nothing besides your own bias and er . . . "estimates".

You are requested to be specific.

hafeez_kazi

Peace The Chimp

I had asked the name of prayers from the Quran and you failed. Show me Salat as zuhur, Salat as Asr and Salat al Maghrib in the Quran. Otherwise these are all invented names. You are following nothing but conjectures.

Regarding Salat all Wusta please explain me how to guard it along with the other Salats.? This particular question remains unanswered for more than 1400 years. Allah guards the Quran, men and women guard their private parts in that context we should guard the 2/3/5 Salats plus the Salat all Wusta., HOW?

According to Muslims prayer means re citations from the Quran and preferably in congregation' but have they considered the Salat of Moses without TORAH and the Salat of Zachariah without any revealed book. WHAT WAS
THEIR PRAYER? Whatever we have i nherited is nothing but conjectures and nothing can be such substantiated by quran.

Ritual prayer is nothing except nonsense inclsive of ups and downs.

At the end of the Salat to whom you are sending the greetings? To three or more angels/people?

To whom you are testifying Laa ilaahaa Illallaa muhammadur rasulullah, to Allah? Even if you testify to Allah then it should be like this Laa ilaahaa illallah muhammadur RASULAKA

Actually you are testifying to someone else that there is no deity except Allah and Muhammad is HIS messenger.

Is there any logic in testifying to an unknown entity that That there is no deity except Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah? My question is Did Allah commanded you to testify this conjecture?

What you are following is Hadith the foundation of all conjectures.

May Allah bless you

Thanks

unknownuser

I do not believe you at all. What is the level of your Arabic?

My Arabic level is simply not too good, but I think it still can be used for intepetate Quran.

Just try to translate hadith yourself, you will know it later

The_Chimp

My Arabic level is simply not too good, but I think it still can be used for intepetate Quran.

Just try to translate hadith yourself, you will know it later

Right . . . so you do not know much. I was right. Try not to post BS please! And then caught out. What waste of time that was.

The_Chimp