Polygamy refutation (verse 4:3)
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Peace,
Nothing to excuse when you believe in the Message of God and not a lot of conjecture by fools. Most Messengers as far as I am concerned had only one wife, Abraham for example. Do not argue about Hagar because she was a concubine and Sarah's handmaiden only used because Sarah was barren.
The men and women come in twos.
Anyway, in a fair society there is no room for men to have several wives due to the quota of men vs. women. Thus is God's design as you obviously see as else God would make noteworthy more women in the society.
God bless you
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Peace,
Nothing to excuse when you believe in the Message of God and not a lot of conjecture by fools. Most Messengers as far as I am concerned had only one wife, Abraham for example. Do not argue about Hagar because she was a concubine and Sarah's handmaiden only used because Sarah was barren.
The men and women come in twos.
Anyway, in a fair society there is no room for men to have several wives due to the quota of men vs. women. Thus is God's design as you obviously see as else God would make noteworthy more women in the society.
God bless you
Salaam Man of Faith
personally, i don't believe that a women called hagar, concubine of Abraham, have existed.
No hagar in quran.
And the tale of Abraham expulsing hagar and ismaeil is incredible for me.Peace
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Peace,
Nothing to excuse when you believe in the Message of God and not a lot of conjecture by fools. Most Messengers as far as I am concerned had only one wife, Abraham for example. Do not argue about Hagar because she was a concubine and Sarah's handmaiden only used because Sarah was barren.
The men and women come in twos.
Anyway, in a fair society there is no room for men to have several wives due to the quota of men vs. women. Thus is God's design as you obviously see as else God would make noteworthy more women in the society.
God bless you
And what you "invent" from your mind is lot of conjecture. For example
" Most Messengers as far as I am concerned"
And how do you know?
See what I mean?
I have already exposed you . . . and you descended into swearing at me . . . This forum is about "Quran only" - hence when the nonsense is exposed . . . you start swearing and insulting.
You are too lazy to learn and make up things and then make excuses when you are shown the door.
Grow up.
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salaam
sorry if i was misunderstood.
i made no excuses.Thank you for exposing arguments of polygamy defensors.
That was very interesting.Peace
Quran quite clearly allows multiple marriage. End of.
Those who try to align their faith with Westernism . . . and make up things . . . well what can you say.
When you talk about Quran verses . . . you derail the argument.
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That "conjecture" with Abraham was from the Bible. Not much less reliable than your stupid Hadith. The other one was by applying God's design model. If you really studied what is in the Message instead of a lot of shit you would find more enlightening information.
Apart from that I used my own logic but using the brain is forbidden in Sunni Islam? Rarely are you appreciative said God.
We can wonder who needs to grow up. I came with sound arguments and you argue like those described in the Book who only guess a lot of bullshit and attribute it to God.
Bah, why waste time on the likes of you. I reply to someone who is cursed by God and which is completely futile. Have your "Islam" and I have my devotion to God instead.
Peace
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That "conjecture" with Abraham was from the Bible. Not much less reliable than your stupid Hadith. The other one was by applying God's design model. If you really studied what is in the Message instead of a lot of shit you would find more enlightening information.
Apart from that I used my own logic but using the brain is forbidden in Sunni Islam? Rarely are you appreciative said God.
We can wonder who needs to grow up. I came with sound arguments and you argue like those described in the Book who only guess a lot of bullshit and attribute it to God.
Bah, why waste time on the likes of you. I reply to someone who is cursed by God and which is completely futile. Have your "Islam" and I have my devotion to God instead.
Peace
If I was as abusive as you . . . I would get banned. I get threats for far far far less. Look at your swearing . . .
If you really studied what is in the Message
What is the "Message"?
More inventions?
Apart from that I used my own logic but using the brain is forbidden in Sunni Islam? Rarely are you appreciative said God.
But you are not logical - far from it. You are NOT educated or very brainy. I have repeatedly exposed that.
I came with sound arguments and you argue like those described in the Book who only guess a lot of bullshit and attribute it to God.
The eff word . . . and the rest? That is sound argument?
No. You have brought nothing . . . other than what you invent.
Bah, why waste time on the likes of you. I reply to someone who is cursed by God and which is completely futile. Have your "Islam" and I have my devotion to God instead.
There we have it . . . the disease of your heart.
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I have unraveled the whole "Quran only" . . . it is quite shocking . . . WHO makes up things . . . based on mistakes.
This is why Yuksel took Quran aligned it with Westernism . . . yet got put down by the likes of Ali Sina.
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We can ask ourselves who was "brainy" later. Stick to your shit and stop bothering me here.
Peace out
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Quran quite clearly allows multiple marriage. End of.
Those who try to align their faith with Westernism . . . and make up things . . . well what can you say.
When you talk about Quran verses . . . you derail the argument.
Salaam
the more i read your arguments, the more i am impressed.
hope you are representative of the real spiritual depth of polygamy defensors and that you are not saying that just to make me happy.Peace
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Salaam
the more i read your arguments, the more i am impressed.
hope you are representative of the real spiritual depth of polygamy defensors and that you are not saying that just to make me happy.Peace
Sorry petal - being offensive will not get you out of it. . . you have added nothing to the debate. Simply flinging insults is not an answer . . . the problem is that "Quran only" impressed by Westernism try to find solution to align Islam with Westernism . . . but it doesn't work like that.
If you have anything to add regarding the issue - fine else. . . there is no point answering - is there?
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Really, really,
I am starting to think that those to whom the Qur'an really allows poligamy are the
Chimps
But to even those, it would not be in 4.3. It is a fantastic error of Arabic reading to not differentiate between the in twos, threes , fours, from two, three, and four. And it is also another error of grammar and common sense to not be able to follow in a reading whom the speech is addressed to.
But, I can feel with Chimp. He seems to really BELIEVE, to have blind faith in poligamy of men. If he does not intend to marry that is clever, because very politely he is indicaating to other men that they should also marry the wife he might marry himself, since obvioulsy there are not enough women of marriageable age to go around.
Of course, as commented, any young man can always marry an old women since of those there is no scarcity. But not to forget that they are choosy. So better polish the manners.
Another point to the Chimp. No, 4.3 is not about poligamy, 4.3 is about orphans. It is symptomatic that you say that it is about poligamy when it clearly in the words and the context and the sorrounding ayas are out of concern for the orphans not for the number of wives any deluded male might think that he could manage.
Salaam
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Atrocious English coupled with no knowledge of Arabic . . . this is becoming hallmark of this forum . . .
But to even those, it would not be in 4.3. It is a fantastic error of Arabic reading to not differentiate between the in twos, threes , fours, from two, three, and four. And it is also another error of grammar and common sense to not be able to follow in a reading whom the speech is addressed to.
So why is this "error" there? Countless experts of Arabic have not spotted any error . . . so where did you invent one? So what is your level of Arabic? And what is the error? Please try to be clear.
But, I can feel with Chimp. He seems to really BELIEVE, to have blind faith in poligamy of men. If he does not intend to marry that is clever, because very politely he is indicaating to other men that they should also marry the wife he might marry himself, since obvioulsy there are not enough women of marriageable age to go around.
Once more . . . you people can advance an argument WITHOUT petty insults!
The command is NOT that you have to marry 4. . . you can do! That is WHY most Muslim have 1 wife. The number with multiple wives is very low.
"No, 4.3 is not about poligamy, 4.3 is about orphans. It is symptomatic that you say that it is about poligamy when it clearly in the words and the context and the sorrounding ayas are out of concern for the orphans not for the number of wives any deluded male might think that he could manage. "
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What is you mother tongue? You English is very difficult to understand.
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The verse 43 permits multiple marriages . . . that is undeniable!
In a single instance one is allowed to marry up to 4 women . . .there!
And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphan girls, then marry those that please you of women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then one or those your right hand possesses. That is more suitable that you may not incline .
The verse is pretty straight forward . . . it says
If you cannot deal justly with Orphans - then do not marry them - BUT - marry from other women and up to four. However - if you cannot be just then confine yourself to marrying just a single lady. And it is better sticking to a single lady rather than committing injustice by marrying multiple wives.
Now . . . what is so difficult?
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No, Chimp, I am not going to get worked up because anybody in a forum disparage my English, as if I gave a damn about it. It is not my mother tongue and it is too late now yor you to give any omplex about it or about the Arabic or about anything.
That you repeat one hundred or a thousand times the same thing over and over merely on your word, is not going to change the fact that ALWAYS those words mathnaa, thulaath and rubaa3 means by two, by three, by fours, and not two, three and four, which are ethnain, thalatha and arba3a.
Always it is so. And the translators who translate that otherwise know it, but it seems they cannot get out of the delusion box, they would have to think of the possibility that it means what they do not want it to mean. Just bring yourself an instance where those words, other than in 4.3 mean simply two, three and four.
On the other hand, you do invent, eh?
What are the words in
arabic that you have translated as" then do not marry them - BUT - marry from other women and up to four. "
You do invent.
Salaam
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No, Chimp, I am not going to get worked up because anybody in a forum disparage my English
And why should you?
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Your English is poor.
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Disparage is perhaps not the choicest of the word. Especially - as I have done my best to understand you.
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No one has "disparaged" you because of your English - so what is there to be worked up about?
I am keen to know what you mother tongue is.
as if I gave a damn about it.
Sorry - I think that is wrong attitude to take . . . if you are going to use it . . . few improvements here and there will help!
It is not my mother tongue and it is too late now yor you to give any omplex about it or about the Arabic or about anything.
hmm . . . ! . . . giveup
That you repeat one hundred or a thousand times the same thing over and over merely on your word, is not going to change the fact that ALWAYS those words mathnaa, thulaath and rubaa3 means by two, by three, by fours, and not two, three and four, which are ethnain, thalatha and arba3a.
Yes. And?
Always it is so. And the translators who translate that otherwise know it, but it seems they cannot get out of the delusion box, they would have to think of the possibility that it means what they do not want it to mean. Just bring yourself an instance where those words, other than in 4.3 mean simply two, three and four.
Sweetheart - here is the problem . . . you seem to have some translation problem . . . you do not know what it is and/or are unable to express it either.
What are the words in
arabic that you have translated as" then do not marry them - BUT - marry from other women and up to four. "
You do invent.
Invent what? What is it that you think I have invented?
Now - I am going to guess . . . what you seem to be having trouble with is this
As they do not use the normal Arabic number format. In Arabic Mathna means - in two or two at a time
What you seem not to know is what difference this makes . . . as you have no been able to express it. . . I will explain
You are allowed to have up to 2, 3 or 4 wives at a time. In other words - say someone is married to 4 women and then one dies and he decides to marry another one. . . . can he or can he not? Yes - he can. As he can have up to 4 wives at a time and not total of four wives.
I hope that clarifies and i have understood what you are saying. So far . . . you have not said . . . what this verse means . . .you are just adamant that this is not allowing multiple wives . . . but don't actually know what it means.
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Chimp,
Nothing you write is going to change the numeral system. Sorry. The numeral system will not change for you.
The fact that you keep going on and on about Huruf's English, is proof that you are running out of an argument. laugh
And it is a fact that - Huruf's English is poor and it is difficult to understand. Despite that - I have answered.
Nothing you write is going to change the numeral system. Sorry. The numeral system will not change for you.
You say this . . . but it mean nothing. What numeral system? And why should it change for me?
I am sorry
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You cannot answer.
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You do not answer.
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You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
In such ways - you are NOT fooling even your own self . . . the verse 43 permits polygamy. Now get over it. If you have anything meaningful to add - do so. Else - do not bother.
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Oh Great Arabic Grammarian ( AKA The Chimp--the kind that makes it up as he goes along)
Nowhere within that verse does it say "up to two, three, or four women". It says quite clearly "twos, threes, and fours". I'm surprised that you completely missed that, given that you have quite clearly mastered the Arabic language, sweetheart -*
Let us all thank Allah for bestowing us with the "knowledgeable" Mr. Chimp.
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Oh Great Arabic Grammarian ( AKA The Chimp--the kind that makes it up as he goes along)
Nowhere within that verse does it say "up to two, three, or four women". It says quite clearly "twos, threes, and fours". I'm surprised that you completely missed that, given that you have quite clearly mastered the Arabic language, sweetheart -*
Let us all thank Allah for bestowing us with the "knowledgeable" Mr. Chimp.
You are repeatedly abusive and personal. . . why?
the kind that makes it up as he goes along
And what is it that I have made up?
Nowhere within that verse does it say "up to two, three, or four women".
Read the verse
the last mentioned number is four and that is it. Hence it is up to four. My dear - this is so basic . . . it is astounding one would fail to comprehend this.
It says quite clearly "twos, threes, and fours".
Two, threes, or fours of what? If not women.
I'm surprised that you completely missed that, given that you have quite clearly mastered the Arabic language, sweetheart -*
But I didn't miss anything!
Let us all thank Allah for bestowing us with the "knowledgeable" Mr. Chimp.
More personal abuse.
What does
"twos, threes, and fours".
This mean . . . look at your 5 posts . . . even you have no clue . . . you are adamant polygamy does not exist - yet do not even know WHAT you are talking about . . .or what the verses is saying.
And your personal petty insults are really sad.
I have already - previously explained this
"As they do not use the normal Arabic number format. In Arabic Mathna means - in two or two at a time
What you seem not to know is what difference this makes . . . as you have no been able to express it. . . I will explain
You are allowed to have up to 2, 3 or 4 wives at a time. In other words - say someone is married to 4 women and then one dies and he decides to marry another one. . . . can he or can he not? Yes - he can. As he can have up to 4 wives at a time and not total of four wives.
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