If "Only Allah", then "Allah Alone" is our watchword

The_Chimp

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg344551#msg344551

Then I do not understand your answer. Please clarify.

But when Allah Himself gives them the 'SPECIFIC ROOT LETTERS' for the entire Quran

How are they "root letter" for the entire Quran?

The_Chimp

I think you can open up your eyes and read again
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg344551#msg344551

Now my question and challenge to you.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg344555#msg344555

Try not getting rude . . . rather please answer - if not leave it. How am I meant to understand your quote? I don't. This is why I am asking you to explain.

Don't start issuing challenges . . . if you can answer please . . . else you simply made up whole lot of nonsense and can no longer account for it.

drfazl

I bet the lot of you self medicate . . . why bother with doctors!

Do you also represent yourself if hauled before a magistrate?

All the patients do finally arrive at ICU placing their blood, body, soul and money at the feet of bunch of doctors before they die. And upon their death their relatives, dear and near ones would say All is Allah's; all belongs to Allah; all is done by Allah; and what would the poor doctors do.

For you the best of judges is magistrate.
And for me the Best of all judges is Allah.

drfazl

Try not getting rude . . . rather please answer - if not leave it. How am I meant to understand your quote? I don't. This is why I am asking you to explain.

Don't start issuing challenges . . . if you can answer please . . . else you simply made up whole lot of nonsense and can no longer account for it.

Now I have to say "bye" to you

The_Chimp

Now I have to say "bye" to you

Say it . . . but I asked a simple question . . . and all I got was whole lot of nonsense.

muslims

Now I have to say "bye" to you

You should.. he might have difficulties to understand what is an argument, and what is quarrelling. laugh

http//i44.tinypic.com/2ijnas0.gif

Guess he and his scholars will be in that tree forever... laughing and testing others to climb that same tree.

dr_rks

Peace Dr.Fazl

Everyday and every walk of life we are getting good guidance from the almighty. But we dont believe in allah's grace,we believe in only money,our children and human help. We neglect the needs of fellow humans since we are busy saving up money for our extravagances. We receive good blessings for the good deeds we do and viceversa. Almost all the inflictions upon us are brought about by our miser attitude, most of the times.

This ayat 1976 and 1977 guiding us with your explanation.

drfazl

"And Allah increases those who were guided, in guidance, and the enduring good deeds are better to your Lord for reward and better for recourse." 1976

Sure dr.rks we shall know the patience and endurance is the most commendable of all good works on this earth. It is so commendable Allah is always with us so dearly near. That is great soothing resourceful touch of words from Allah.

Zulf

No Seeking of Increase in Wealth and Children

Most of us are weak enough in Iman due to our lack of association free allegiance to Allah. And Allah asserts this too in Chapter Yusuf, "And most of them believe not in Allah except while they associate other than Him with Him." There is an element of shirk in the hearts of most of every one of all walks, however greatly endowed may he be, in his belief in God. This means shaitan is the chief element destroying our hearts, marring the prospects of our beautiful life of paradise/jannah starting from this world itself, right away. Every one knows well it is only by His Grace, all the elements of goods we are experiencing and living such moments at any point of time in our lives. But we are ungrateful nevertheless; we keep rejecting or forgetting due to lack of thankfulness and remembering Him more and more praising His Glory. It is because of our pride in our hearts, the words of shaitans, that whisper and say 'all glory be to us! all glory be to us!' with or without our knowledge. The more we hear to such dishonourable words from shaitan, the more forgetful we become of Allah and the more ungrateful we are in the eyes of Allah. We are rejecters knowingly or unknowingly because of our element of pride.

As long as we live in this world none is free from this element of rejection, association, as a result engaging in argumentation, creating chaos and confusion to the bliss of Iblis; and to the great dissatisfaction of malayikas. If our intent is to be forgiven for these short comings all we shall ask is O Allah, the God of all universes forgive our sins; cleanse our hearts and purify our souls from shirk. More to this, we need patience and kindness towards the believers with such of those short comings that any one of us have with only certain variations in degrees and grades, swinging in ups and down. We shall have some amount fear all the time without finding fault with one another; and without becoming proud when we increase in the worldly pleasures and things. We should know at this that having all those short comings it is not that Allah is rewarding us with His bounties but as only a test more severe and severe to see how we behave. This is the reason why we have to spend from our earnings a beautiful part towards beautiful activities, pleasing to God. This is doing zakath; not giving zakath. Zakath means purification from pride and self glorification. If one is fearing God it is because of his learning and understanding this truth. But those who are arrogant with pride, Allah warns us the see them that say 1977 "Have you, then, seen him who rejects Our communications and says I shall certainly be given wealth and children?"

The pious ones as believers that they are, they accept they have rejection element in their hearts and it is Allah who forgives such of the evil in us slowly and steadily; He is raising us to purification of our souls; and He ordains upon us to spend from what He had given us, and start doing it from now on. Allah says I measure your requirements and needs; it is not you would assess your needs. Become humble before me and do not advance before me priding yourself you are the earner for all your future.

Those who behave contrarily are those who would be tested severely in this world with poverty and afflictions. If we have to remove our poverty and diseases and feel safe about these things for the entire tomorrows to come, never show your pride before others and spend more in the good cause humbly. The only good cause is spending to cause increase the belief and piety in God and free the community from rejection of the Truth.

Wonderful!!! bravo

unknownuser

Scholarly Ignorance

Arabic scholars search meanings for every word of Quran by their 'Root Letters'. But when Allah Himself gives them the 'SPECIFIC ROOT LETTERS' for the entire Quran, they reject it as no more than an empty pot.

Alif, Laam, Meem - This is the Book.
Alif, Laam, Raa - These are the Signs of the Wise Book.
Alif, Laam, Raa - The Book whose Signs are made Decisive.
Alif, Laam, Raa - These are the Manifest Signs of the Book.
Alif, Laam, Meem, Raa - These are the Signs of the Book, Revealed.
Alif, Laam, Raa - The Book, Revealing the Light of God.
Alif, Laam, Raa - These are the Signs of the Book, AND A CLEAR QURAN.
Kaf, Ha, Ya, Ain, Saad - Mercy from God to those who follow His servant Zakariah.
Ta, Ha - Quran, to defeat the defeat.
Ta, Seen, Meem - These are the Signs of the Quran, Clear.
Ta, Seen - These are the Signs of Quran, the clear Book.
Ta, Seen, Meem - These are the Signs of the Clear Book.
Alif, Laam, Meem - These are the Signs of the Book of Wisdom
Alif, Laam, Meem - Book of Revelation
Ya, Seen - Quran full of Wisdom
Saad - Quran of Admonition
Ha, Meem - Book of Allah, the Mighty, All Knowing
Ha, Meem - The Revelation from Allah, The Beneficent, The Merciful

Ha, Meem
Ain, Seen, Qaf - Thus does ALLAH, The MIGHTY, THE WISE, REVEAL

Ha, Meem - Allah swears by this Book, that makes things Clear.
Ha, Meem - Allah swears by this Book, that makes things Manifest.
Ha, Meem - Allah's Revelation, the Mighty, the Wise.
Qaf - Quran, Glorious - "I SWEAR!"
Noon - By what you write, it is clear Light, the Noor.

This is the result of people who follow religion named Quraniyoon (insulting people who have more knowledge about it).
Btw the term "Quran Only" is different from "Allah Only".

Peace

The_Chimp

You should.. he might have difficulties to understand what is an argument, and what is quarrelling. laugh

http//i44.tinypic.com/2ijnas0.gif

Guess he and his scholars will be in that tree forever... laughing and testing others to climb that same tree.

If someone has trouble understanding . . . it is not necessary that the fault lies with them . . .

Guess he and his scholars will be in that tree forever

Sectarianism.

I mean when you cannot answer any more - all you have left is petty insults . . . I have proven that time and time again.

The_Chimp

All I asked "drfazl" was to explain . . . what did I get? Petty insults.

I exposed "Muslims" for his sheer ignorance. . . . he cannot even read "Arabic" and his English is poor. Hence - his pet theories are built upon completely mistaken reading of Quran.

Now . . . when he is unable to discuss any further. . . abuse!

No one brought up anything other than the Quran . . . and that is it. So how can you be about the Quran and not be able to read the book?

I have repeatedly exposed that "Quran only" are as far away from Quran as you can get. Person after person after. . .

Zulf

Peace bro

If you now have exposed "Quran alone" to be as far away from the Quran as you can get, person after person.... then what's next?? Having achieved this, what are you doing here?

I'm sure you feel you have proven your point. Are you trying to convert them all to see things the way you do? It won't happen, and you know it. Such a thing will never happen in any group, in any context. So, what is your agenda now? Are you here to learn? If not, isn't your presence here a waste of your time?

You're welcome to stay of course, but it seems utterly useless for you considering your own description of the whole scenario.... unless of course you enjoy the arguing with people (just like many others here do)... but that's not being a role model for peaceful behavior... something many religious and non-religious people alike fail to understand.

The_Chimp

Peace bro

If you now have exposed "Quran alone" to be as far away from the Quran as you can get, person after person.... then what's next?? Having achieved this, what are you doing here?

I'm sure you feel you have proven your point. Are you trying to convert them all to see things the way you do? It won't happen, and you know it. Such a thing will never happen in any group, in any context. So, what is your agenda now? Are you here to learn? If not, isn't your presence here a waste of your time?

You're welcome to stay of course, but it seems utterly useless for you considering your own description of the whole scenario.... unless of course you enjoy the arguing with people (just like many others here do)... but that's not being a role model for peaceful behavior... something many religious and non-religious people alike fail to understand.

Do you have any "specific" problem with me? Why don't you wait and see . . .

Here is what I am after. Is there ANYONE here with some level of competent scholarship?

As Homeopathy is to Medical Science

"Quran only" is to Sunni Islam

Zulf

Do you have any "specific" problem with me? Why don't you wait and see . . .

Nope, I have no specific problem. Since you basically declared the theme of this forum and much of it's active members as proven far away from the teachings of the quran... I just wondered what you're after.

Ok, I'll wait and see. But I'm not sure what to look for.... and judging by experience, I fear that it will never end up at anything conclusive to see in any shape or form.... but that's just from previous experience on this forum. I'll wait.

Here is what I am after. Is there ANYONE here with some level of competent scholarship?

Depends on what you mean with "some level of competent scholarship". If you include that this person needs to agree with you on your religious opinion, then I guess not. Otherwise I think you'd need to define both 'competent' and 'scholarship'. These terms are certainly NOT agreed upon whenever people disagree on something. One side always accuses the other side of incompetence of scholarship or objectivity or sincerity. The idea by both sides in a debate is that if both side were competent scholars, they'd end up at the same conclusion, which never happens. But indeed, objectivity is a huge part of the problem, often of both sides.

But I know there are a couple of people on this forum that are scholarly, and competent... but I'm not one of those. These people are however also human beings, like you and me, and therefore not perfect, and thus there will be disagreements on issues simply since nobody has perfect knowledge.

Peace

As Homeopathy is to Medical Science

"Quran only" is to Sunni Islam

DrGm

So why did god choose this man made language to give his message? Surely - then the fault lies with god? He made Quran reliant upon Arabic? So - if god made Quran bound to Arabic . . .then so is everyone else.

You had pasted my entire post. What was the subject matter for which the post is made? And what was your take on the subject matter taken? Is it the language matter alone or the language matter is linked with a subject proper? Is Maryam a feminine-male based on one of the member's understanding of the language? And then followed by another member using his lexicon starting a debate and argument that would run to volumes of counters to no end. This is your man-made-arabic. Or for that matter in any language the discussion is no discussion but purely arguments each sticking to his view finally to say To you your way; and to me my way. Can you say the meaning of this two phrases using your man-made-arabic?

God chose arabic because the arabians were the worst of its kind in the entire world when the Prophet was chosen to guide such a fallen people who were wild in nature without sense and mind. If the Russians were even worse at that time, the Quran would have come in the Russian. So the choice is not for the language but for the people, worst hit by shaitan.

What does this ayat mean ...

54 17 And certainly We have made the Quran easy for remembrance, but is there anyone who will mind?

For each of the word, WE, Easy, Remembrance, But, Is there Anyone, Mind -

Please use and give your entire lexicon bunch in toto and give me the practical approach that suits the mind and the living the word for word meaning, glad tiding, bad news, admonition...

I know chimp, you are interested in arguments and when you are asked to sit down for a conclusive end on a matter, you would walk away as you did in our previous encounter sometime ago.

peace,

again, in the above posting, i found answers given to chimp. also, there are few questions asked to chimp. i'll bring it for the easy take of the readers
1.You had pasted my entire post. What was the subject matter for which the post is made?
2.And what was your take on the subject matter taken?
3.Is it the language matter alone or the language matter is linked with a subject proper?
4.Is Maryam a feminine-male based on one of the member's understanding of the language?
5.To you your way; and to me my way. Can you say the meaning of this two phrases using your man-made-arabic?
6.What does this ayat mean ...
54 17 And certainly We have made the Quran easy for remembrance, but is there anyone who will mind?
7.Please use and give your entire lexicon bunch in toto and give me the practical approach that suits the mind and the living the word for word meaning, glad tiding, bad news, admonition...

this one post contain a question from chimp and answer from drfazl, also it has seven questions asked to chimp. now chimp, second time, i'm interested too in the answers for the above questions from an arabic master/scholar in line with question 7 above.

The_Chimp

Depends on what you mean with "some level of competent scholarship". If you include that this person needs to agree with you on your religious opinion, then I guess not. Otherwise I think you'd need to define both 'competent' and 'scholarship'.

In Arabic, language, Islam, Hadith, Quran . . . history, philosophy, logic, science . . .

I have asked several people who like to throw their weight about, regarding their background. . . shtum. Silence. And out with the insults.

For example . . . I find it deeply ironic that those who allegedly would claim to attach the utmost importance to Quran - and then are unable to read a verse of it correctly. Yet, they build theories on mistaken readings. When this is challenged...

The_Chimp

peace,

again, in the above posting, i found answers given to chimp. also, there are few questions asked to chimp. i'll bring it for the easy take of the readers
1.You had pasted my entire post. What was the subject matter for which the post is made?
2.And what was your take on the subject matter taken?
3.Is it the language matter alone or the language matter is linked with a subject proper?
4.Is Maryam a feminine-male based on one of the member's understanding of the language?
5.To you your way; and to me my way. Can you say the meaning of this two phrases using your man-made-arabic?
6.What does this ayat mean ...
54 17 And certainly We have made the Quran easy for remembrance, but is there anyone who will mind?
7.Please use and give your entire lexicon bunch in toto and give me the practical approach that suits the mind and the living the word for word meaning, glad tiding, bad news, admonition...

this one post contain a question from chimp and answer from drfazl, also it has seven questions asked to chimp. now chimp, second time, i'm interested too in the answers for the above questions from an arabic master/scholar in line with question 7 above.

Who are you? There was Drfazl - I asked him a simple enough question . . . the chap resorted to rudeness! Now you have similar user name. Are you and him same?

I am NOT going back and trawling through posts and then looking back even further to trace posts. I am happy enough to answer ANY question - and I really mean any question. If I cannot and for some reason cannot - I will give reasons for declining.

Hence

1.You had pasted my entire post. What was the subject matter for which the post is made?
2.And what was your take on the subject matter taken?
3.Is it the language matter alone or the language matter is linked with a subject proper?
4.Is Maryam a feminine-male based on one of the member's understanding of the language?

I cannot be bothered going back and looking up previous posts to answer these.

5.To you your way; and to me my way. Can you say the meaning of this two phrases using your man-made-arabic?

The phrase you have highlighted is in English! Also - there is only one Arabic that I am aware of and that is man made.

"And We have certainly made the Qur'an easy for remembrance, so is there any who will remember?"

The above verse is pretty straight forward. Quran is easy to remember . . . so Muslims should learn it by heart.

Please use and give your entire lexicon bunch in toto and give me the practical approach that suits the mind and the living the word for word meaning, glad tiding, bad news, admonition...

I did not understand what you are asking. What is " lexicon bunch". And what is it you are asking here

"give me the practical approach that suits the mind and the living"

Then

the word for word meaning, glad tiding, bad news, admonition...

I did not get what you are asking here either!

DrGm

peace,

again, in the above posting, i found answers given to chimp. also, there are few questions asked to chimp. i'll bring it for the easy take of the readers
1.You had pasted my entire post. What was the subject matter for which the post is made?
2.And what was your take on the subject matter taken?
3.Is it the language matter alone or the language matter is linked with a subject proper?
4.Is Maryam a feminine-male based on one of the member's understanding of the language?
5.To you your way; and to me my way. Can you say the meaning of this two phrases using your man-made-arabic?
6.What does this ayat mean ...
54 17 And certainly We have made the Quran easy for remembrance, but is there anyone who will mind?
7.Please use and give your entire lexicon bunch in toto and give me the practical approach that suits the mind and the living the word for word meaning, glad tiding, bad news, admonition...

this one post contain a question from chimp and answer from drfazl, also it has seven questions asked to chimp. now chimp, second time, i'm interested too in the answers for the above questions from an arabic master/scholar in line with question 7 above.

Who are you? There was Drfazl - I asked him a simple enough question . . . the chap resorted to rudeness! Now you have similar user name. Are you and him same?

I am NOT going back and trawling through posts and then looking back even further to trace posts. I am happy enough to answer ANY question - and I really mean any question. If I cannot and for some reason cannot - I will give reasons for declining.

Hence

I cannot be bothered going back and looking up previous posts to answer these.

The phrase you have highlighted is in English! Also - there is only one Arabic that I am aware of and that is man made.

"And We have certainly made the Qur'an easy for remembrance, so is there any who will remember?"

The above verse is pretty straight forward. Quran is easy to remember . . . so Muslims should learn it by heart.

I did not understand what you are asking. What is " lexicon bunch". And what is it you are asking here

"give me the practical approach that suits the mind and the living"

Then

I did not get what you are asking here either!

peace,
i am one of the member of this forum. i read drfazl's posts closely. we are not same. anyone can see there is no rudeness in the answer given above by drfazl for your question. whereas you have not bothered to answer any of his question.

for your easy i have quoted the same question from this thread. this is only to ease the situation and to remind that you have not answered the question asked previously.

but it's ok now you didn't answer for it's bothering you to trawl previous posts and i think the same suits all answering you.

I did not get what you are asking here either!

quran gives admonition, warning, gladtidings, good message. i expected, that you will give the readers what is the warning in the verses mentioned above?, what is the gladtiding mentioned in the verses above?. how we can use practically the warning and gladtiding in our life so that we all live in peace. so that your understanding guides people to the path of islam and unto Allah.

The_Chimp

peace,
i am one of the member of this forum. i read drfazl's posts closely. we are not same. anyone can see there is no rudeness in the answer given above by drfazl for your question. whereas you have not bothered to answer any of his question.

for your easy i have quoted the same question from this thread. this is only to ease the situation and to remind that you have not answered the question asked previously.

but it's ok now you didn't answer for it's bothering you to trawl previous posts and i think the same suits all answering you.

i did't ask anything, i only quoted drfazl posts. now i understand your stand.

i am one of the member of this forum. i read drfazl's posts closely. we are not same. anyone can see there is no rudeness in the answer given above by drfazl for your question. whereas you have not bothered to answer any of his question.

!? And what question have I not bothered to answer? I asked him a question . . . he didn't answer other than quoting something. I asked to clarify and found him rude.

for your easy i have quoted the same question from this thread. this is only to ease the situation and to remind that you have not answered the question asked previously.

So why were you posing his questions? Let him do it.

but it's ok now you didn't answer for it's bothering you to trawl previous posts and i think the same suits all answering you.

What does this mean

" i think the same suits all answering you"

I don't send people of goose chases.

i did't ask anything, i only quoted drfazl posts. now i understand your stand.

Why? Are you him?