A challenge to those who claim Quran states 5 salat daily
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Peace Wakas.
In my early days of study, I held the view of 2/3 salat daily. However as I progressed through my studies, I have now changed to the view that it is 5 salat daily. Indeed my study of Qoran confirms that for me.
You also say you are not interested to debate individuals, my aim is not to debate anyone, full stop.
If you noticed throughout my time in this forum ,I rarely enter into " QUOTE FROM ANYONE", I SIMPLY STATE MY UNDERSTANDING.
I do not belong to any sect or gathering, hence I can only put my points as an individual. If your rule omits me ,then I will not take part.
GOD bless.
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I ask those who have looked deeply into this question in the Qur'an
What is the possibility that the people, the person might have a choice, or that the number of salaats might be conditionned by circumstances. That is, that several of the possibilities might be correct that 5 is correct, that three are correct, that for are correct, two, etc.?
Salaam
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This is excellent and important thread.
I hope we shall finally have real tangible solid proof to know how many times a day the Salat is prescribed in the Qur'an as a physical ritual with physical movements and utterances.Thank you all for contributing to truth.
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For example, with myself, with my own view being a minimum of 2 salat daily for the mumineen,
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/2.238p.gif
You people remain vigilant regards the plural number of As-sa'laat Time Bound Formal Protocol of Servitude and allegiance; and be vigilant for the As-sa'laat which is relatively central to other four Formal Timings.
Plural in Arabic is not for two; but three and above.
It is a time bound protocol. Number and the appointed timings for its performance during a day
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Peace brother Mazhar.
Plural in Arabic is not for two; but three and above.
Sure. But how do you come to the conclusion that the salawat has to take place within one day? Why not one week, one month, one year, a lifetime? I cannot see such a restriction in the quoted verse. In my view it is very logical to say, hold to the salawat, meaning hold to the salawat for your whole life.
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Peace brother Mazhar.
Sure. But how do you come to the conclusion that the salawat has to take place within one day? Why not one week, one month, one year, a lifetime? I cannot see such a restriction in the quoted verse. In my view it is very logical to say, hold to the salawat, meaning hold to the salawat for your whole life.
Salamun alaika;
It is a time bound protocol. It is prescribed for five points in time of a day; kindly open the link and see the mention of timings for five in a day.
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In this thread, people play competition in assumption games
Peace
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peace Mazhar,
you and I have already discussed a little about the flaws in your article.But in any case, if you wish to accept this thread challenge please confirm here.
Conirmed.
Flaws? Please find one in that article about five timings; for convenience a graph is even given therein.
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I will join the chalennge if this about "By using Quran Only, Is there any verses in the Quran which said if salat is physical raki'-sujud ritual?"
Peace
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I believe that since salat has been revealed before the Quranic Revelation, one has to look to the previous people/ Scriptures whom Salat has been revealed to, in order to get more understanding of what Salat really is, and the numbers.
The focus groups would be (All of which are mentioned/alluded to in the Quran are
- Mandaeans (Sabaens) (5 prayers lessened to 3 Prayers by John the Baptist) (Sabaeen in Quran 2217)
- Zoroastrians (5 prayers) (Majus in Quran 2217)
- Samaritans (3 times, more on holidays) (Early schism of children of Israel)
- Early Jewish tribes/Torah/Tanakh (some 3, some 5, some combine 5 into 3 times)
- New Testament (3 times, 3rd, 6th, 9th hours)
The two hardest group to find out is Mandaeans and samaritans, since their numbers are few, and there is not a lot of available literature out there.
- This free online book is about Mandaeans
http//mandaeannetwork.com/Mandaean/en_The_Mandaeans_of_Iraq_and_Iran_sabians_mandaeannetwork.html?i1
Also as an intro to Mandaeans in english
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ean-WKnw_nU-
Zoroastrianism
https//archive.org/details/ourownreligionin00millrich -
Samaritans outreach website
http//www.thesamaritanupdate.com/
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Salamun alaika;
It is a time bound protocol. It is prescribed for five points in time of a day; kindly open the link and see the mention of timings for five in a day.
Salamun alaika;
It is more correct to say As-Salamu. The Arabic definite article is required. Otherwise the "Alaika" would become an adjectival clause for the "Salamun" and what you are after is a complete meaningful sentence!
Sorry - little gripe!
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It is more correct to say As-Salamu. The Arabic definite article is required. Otherwise the "Alaika" would become an adjectival clause for the "Salamun" and what you are after is a complete meaningful sentence!
Sorry - little gripe!
Peace be with you.
Sorry to interupt, but if 'As-Salamu' was the more correct form of the Islamic greeting, then surely God would have used 'As-Salamu' in the Quran. But in the Quran we can see that it is always 'Salamun'.
Regards.
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Peace be with you.
Sorry to interupt, but if 'As-Salamu' was the more correct form of the Islamic greeting, then surely God would have used 'As-Salamu' in the Quran. But in the Quran we can see that it is always 'Salamun'.
Regards.
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You need to know something about the language . . .
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Peace be with you.
Sorry to interupt, but if 'As-Salamu' was the more correct form of the Islamic greeting, then surely God would have used 'As-Salamu' in the Quran. But in the Quran we can see that it is always 'Salamun'.
Regards.
Salaam sis,
yes
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Salaam,
Bender -
Salaam sis,
yes
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Salaam,
BenderLike most - bender doesn't know any Arabic either . . . but is happy enough to . . .
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The following greeting is within a sentence - here its grammar position and function is different.
Bender seems not to be very clever either. Else he would have noticed
But in the Quran we can see that it is always 'Salamun'.
So the posting of his verse . . . was a pointless exercise.
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It is more correct to say As-Salamu. The Arabic definite article is required. Otherwise the "Alaika" would become an adjectival clause for the "Salamun" and what you are after is a complete meaningful sentence!
Sorry - little gripe!
"Alaika" is a Prepositional Phrase. It relates to the predicate. Salamun is a Verbal Noun. The difference between a Verb and Verbal Noun is that the verb has time reference while verbal noun has time reference only to the point in time of context. The use of definite verbal noun by Easa alahissalam is for reason of associating and particularizing it with points in time.
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"Alaika" is a Prepositional Phrase. It relates to the predicate. Salamun is a Verbal Noun. The difference between a Verb and Verbal Noun is that the verb has time reference while verbal noun has time reference only to the point in time of context. The use of definite verbal noun by Easa alahissalam is for reason of associating and particularizing it with points in time.
Pointing out that Salamun is a verbal noun is not very helpful and neither does it answer the objective put to you.
Verbal noun - is an English concept and does not quite correspond to Arabic.
Salam - is Masdar - that is Verbs originate from it . Verbal noun? Mostly in English - refer to Nouns that derive from a verb.
The question is one of making complete Arabic sentence. An indefinite noun and a prepositional phrase do not make a good Arabic sentences. That is why you need the 'Salam' to be definite- 'al-Salam'.
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Pointing out that Salamun is a verbal noun is not very helpful and neither does it answer the objective put to you.
Verbal noun - is an English concept and does not quite correspond to Arabic.
Salam - is Masdar - that is Verbs originate from it . Verbal noun? Mostly in English - refer to Nouns that derive from a verb.
The question is one of making complete Arabic sentence. An indefinite noun and a prepositional phrase do not make a good Arabic sentences. That is why you need the 'Salam' to be definite- 'al-Salam'.
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