Nearness and Guidance -> Knowledge and Wisdom = Peace and Prosperity
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Peace Yuliana,
No worries, thank the Lord for enlightening me.
I understand that my thread can be a heavy reading, but I have tried recently to improve the layout of the posts that they are easier to evaluate and link the information to my commentary. I did not really intend to ever explain The Book, but I felt I had to load a heavier caliber in my gun so as to prove more intricately that the Message is simple by together with the prospective readers analyze and see the discourse from a fluent and linguistic point of view. And you have seen that no translations made sense in some verses before I experimented on the words and their meaning, and I did not invent a new meaning on most words, but only scattered the words into morphemes, roots, and then reattempted the deciphering.
Only words that I was really daring was on ketaab and qur'an, where I have without real evidence changed their meaning, but that because they simply do not suit the contexts they are in. They must be mistakes by those who have been reading The Book over the centuries. So I still stand by from a fluency of text point of view that ketaab is message and qur'an is plainly book. It is basically not so hard to understand that quran is book however.
Anyway, it is to proclaim the simple Message underneath all the things man has made complicated about God, such as salat. You saw that the salat is to channel information and a tie to God. Wakas found its basic meaning and it is no more than that. Its root word is even used in a context of daily Arabic communication. Believe and be mindful of God and do good deeds, that is what God has prescribed for us.
EDIT The thread's original purpose was to link The Book to a more graphical and streamlined way of perceiving it and you saw my circular diagram if you looked earlier in the thread. But I took the liberty to proving my stance of the Message's simplicity by going through all the relevant portions of The Book to show I am right without trying to be arrogant. I only try to serve the Lord and I could keep all this to myself and tell no one, but I see it as part of my charity. It is not like I gain anything except from the Lord, and, God willing, you benefit from it in the meantime.
God bless you
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Chapter 12 Message check
121 ALR, these are the signs of the clarifying Message.
122 We have sent it down an Arabic book, perhaps you will comprehend.
123 We tell to you the best stories through what We have inspired to you in this Book; and before it you were of those who were unaware.128 For they said ?Joseph and his brother are more loved by our father than us, while we are a numerous group. Our father is clearly misguided.?
1221 And he from Egypt who had bought him said to his wife ?Make his stay generous, perhaps he will benefit us or we may take him as a son.? And it was thus that We established Joseph in the land and to teach him the interpretation of the narrations. And God has full control over his situation, but most of the people do not know.
1222 And when he reached his independence, We gave him judgement and knowledge. It is thus that We reward the good doers.Red Obviously what Joseph did was right in the "eyes of God".
1250 And the king said ?Bring him to me.? So when the messenger came to him, he said ?Go back to your lord and ask him what was the matter regarding the women who cut their hands? Indeed, my Lord is aware of their plans.?
1251 He said ?What is your plea that you tried to seduce Joseph from himself?? They said ?God be sought! We know of no evil on his part.? The wife of the governor said ?Now the truth must be known, I did seek (-2) to seduce Joseph from himself and he is of the truthful ones.?
1252 ?That is so he knows that I will not betray him while he is not present and that God does not guide the planning of the betrayers.?
1253 ?And I do not make myself free of blame, for the soul is inclined to sin, except that which my Lord has mercy upon. My Lord is Forgiving, Merciful.?Red What is the Message here if you are Truthful?
1256 And it was such that We gave Joseph authority in the land, to travel in it as he pleases. We bestow Our mercy upon whom We please, and We do not waste the reward of the (2) good doers.
1257 And the reward of the Hereafter is better for those who (1) believe and are aware.1267 And he said ?My sons, do not enter from one gate, but enter from separate gates; and I cannot avail you anything against God, for the judgment is to God. In Him I place my trust, and in Him those who place their trust should trust.?
1268 And when they entered from where their father had commanded them, it would not have availed them in the least against God, but it was out of a concern in the soul of Jacob that he brought out. And he is with knowledge for what We taught him, but most of the people do not know.
1269 And when they entered upon Joseph, he called his brother to himself and said ?I am your brother, so do not be saddened by what they have done.?Red It is obvious that Jacob suspected that it was Joseph that was there in Egypt because clearly the reason he told them to enter through separate gates was that Joseph could get hold on his brother without the others knowing.
1284 And he turned away from them and said ?Oh, my sorrow over Joseph.? And his eyes turned white from sadness, and he became blind.
1285 They said ?By God, you will never cease to remember Joseph until you become senile or become dead!?
1286 He said ?I merely complain my grief and sorrow to God, and (3) I know from God what you do not know.?
1287 ?My sons, go and inquire about Joseph and his brother, and do not despair from the spirit of God. The only ones who would despair from the spirit of God are the people who are rejecters.?1289 He said ?Do you know what you have done with (-2) Joseph and his brother, while you were ignorant??
Red It is obvious that there is more to the story than only in the narration of The Book.
1292 He said ?There is no blame on you this day, may God forgive you, and He is the Most Merciful of those who show mercy.?
1293 ?Take this shirt of mine and cast it over the face of my father, and he will have sight; and bring to me all your family.?Red Sometimes the narrations are a bit strange but also a test of Faith.
Blue Joseph forgave rather than punished even if he could easily have punished them harshly for all that they had done thanks to his position. It is simply following the Message.1294 And when the caravan departed, their father said ?I do indeed feel the scent of Joseph, except that you may think me senile.?
1295 They said ?By God, you are back to your old misguidance.?
1296 Then, when the bearer of good news came, he cast it over his face and he regained sight. He said ?Did I not tell you that I know from God what you do not know??Red There is indeed some subtle humor in God's narrations, although only faint, that God brought in exactly what Jacob uttered in his household.
1297 They said ?Our father, ask forgiveness for our sins, indeed we were wrongdoers.?
1298 He said ?I will ask forgiveness for you from my Lord, He is the Forgiving, the Merciful.?Red These were really righteous people.
12100 And he raised his parents upon the throne, and they fell in prostration to Him. And he said ?My father, this is the interpretation of my vision from before. My Lord has made it true, and He has been good to me that he took me out of prison and brought you out of the wilderness (-2) after the devil had made bitterness between me and my brothers. My Lord is Kind to whom He wills. He is the Knowledgeable, the Wise.?
Red It explains a lot, does it not?
12101 ?My Lord, You have given me sovereignty and taught me the interpretation of the narrations. Initiator of the heavens and the earth, You are my protector in this world and the Hereafter. Let me die as one who has (1) submitted, and join me with the (2) good doers.?
12102 That is from the news of the unseen that We inspire to you. You were not among them when they arranged their plan and were scheming.
12103 And most of the people, even if you are diligent, (-1) will not believe.
12104 And you are not asking them for any wage, it is but a reminder to the worlds.
12105 And how many a sign in the heavens and the earth do they pass by, while they are turning away from it.
12106 And most of them will (-1) not believe in God except while setting up partners.12109 And We have not sent before you except men, to whom We gave inspiration, from the people of the towns. Will they not roam the earth and see how was the punishment of those before them? And the abode of the Hereafter is far better for those who are aware. Do you not comprehend?
Red That is right. The Messengers were blessed men with who rose in rank and because of their staunch Faith were chosen ones. God chooses whom He pleases from among His servants to deliver His revelations. It could be you, it could be me, if we happened to reach far on the Faith scale. No reason to treat our Messengers as kings. I would never want to be called lord if I was a Messenger, but that every pious Believer would focus on the Lord above, the One, the Most Magnificent.
12110 Then, when the messengers gave up, and they thought that they have been denied, Our victory came to them. We then save whom We wish, and Our punishment cannot be swayed from the wicked people.
12111 In their stories is a lesson for those who possess intelligence. It is not a narration that has been invented, but an authentication of what is between his hands and a detailing of all things, and (3) a guidance and a mercy for a people (1) who believe.Red And the Messengers were not supermen; they could lose self-confidence but what separated them was that they would never lose Faith in God.
Blue And certainly there is a reason why a big part of The Book contains of stories of the Messengers of old that we may learn from the events of all kind of moral issues, such as the one about Joseph and his brothers.
What do you think the Message was? Well here comes a hint again (and you can see what my numbers (1), (2) and (3) stand for)
| http//farm6.staticflickr.com/5546/10816793444_18c10caea7.jpg
| What my (1), (2) and (3) generally refers to in previous and future posts unless otherwise told• Belief in God/Faith
• Righteousness/Actions
• Belief in Realm/Faith
God bless you
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Chapter 13 Message check
131 ALMR, these are the signs of the Message. And what has been sent down to you from your Lord is the truth; but most of the people (-1) do not believe.
136 And they hasten towards you with (-2) evil before good, and the examples of those before them have already been given. And your Lord is with forgiveness towards the people for their transgression, and your Lord is severe in retribution.
1315 And to God will submit all who are in the heavens and the earth, willingly and unwillingly, as do their shadows in the morning and the evening.
It does not make sense with this verse as prostrate. The verse means more that everything is obeying His will, willingly or unwillingly, if God wills something and it has to follow His system, including the laws of nature and such.
The chapter is demonstrating the power of God and why it is illogical not to believe in God. The language used fits a civilization 1400 years ago and might not always impress the reader nowadays although it is true regardless. The allegories God uses here are often abused by atheists to falsify The Book.
The righteous believe, keep the bond and do good
1320 Those who fulfill the pledge of God, and they do not break the covenant.
1321 And those who (2) deliver what God has ordered to be delivered, and they are concerned towards their Lord and they fear a terrible reckoning.
1322 And those who are patient seeking the face of their Lord; and they hold the (1) Communion, and they (2) spend from what We have bestowed upon them secretly and openly, and they (2) counter evil with good; these will have an excellent abode.
1323 The gardens of delight; which they will enter (2) with those who are good doers from their fathers and their mates and their progeny. And the angels will enter upon them from every gate.
1324 ?Peace be upon you for what you have been patient for. Excellent indeed is the final abode.?
While those who are unrighteous only spread mischief
1325 As for those who break their pledge with God after having made its covenant, and they (-2) withhold what God has ordered to be delivered, and they (-2) cause corruption on the earth; upon those is a curse and they will have a miserable abode.
1326 God gives the provisions for whom He wishes, and He is Capable. And they (-3) were happy with the worldly life, but the worldly life compared to the Hereafter is nothing except a brief enjoyment.
1327 And those who have rejected say ?If only a sign were sent down to him from his Lord!? Say ?God misguides whom He wishes and guides to Him whoever is repenting.
1329 The ones who have (1) believed, and have (2) done good works, there will be happiness for them and a wonderful abode.
1330 Thus, We have sent you to a nation, as with other nations before it, so that you may tell them that which has been inspired to you; while they are still rejecting the Almighty. Say ?He is my Lord, there is no god except He, in Him I place my trust and to Him is my repentance.?
1336 And those to whom We have previously given the Message rejoice at what has been sent down to you, but there are some from the Confederates who reject parts of it. Say ?I am only ordered to (1) serve God and not set up any partner with Him. Towards Him I implore and towards Him is the return.?
1337 And as such, We have sent it down a law which is in Arabic. And if you follow their desires after what has come to you of the Knowledge, then you will not have any ally or defender against God.
1338 And We have sent messengers before you and We have made for them mates and offspring. It was not for a messenger to come with any sign except with the permission of God; for each period there is a Message.
1339 God erases and confirms what He wishes, and with Him is the source of the Message.1343 And those who reject say ?You are not a messenger.? Say ?God is enough as a witness between me and you; the One who has the knowledge of the Message.?
God bless you
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Chapter 14 Message check
141 ALR, a Message which We have sent down to you so that you may bring the people out of the darkness and into the Light with the permission of their Lord, to the Path of the Noble, the Praiseworthy.
144 And We have not sent any messenger except in the language of his people, so he may clarify for them. But God misguides whom He wills, and He guides whom He wills. And He is the Noble, the Wise
Red It is thus strange that we use Arabic when God has promised the Messengers speaking the language of his people. This phrase ought to question the obsession with Arabic and its importance for the Message, and that it just happened that these people got their presentation of the Message in this language in the 7th century.
145 And We sent Moses with Our signs ?You shall bring your people out of the darkness and into the light, and remind them of the days of God.? In this are signs for everyone patient and thankful.
146 And Moses said to his people ?Remember the blessings of God upon you that He saved you from the people of Pharaoh; they were afflicting you with the worst punishment, and they used to slaughter your children, and rape your women. And in that was a great test from your Lord.?In all the happenings occurring with the Messengers presence here on Earth it is primarily to remember what God did for you and not the Messengers who channeled God's words. Despite this the Messengers tend to have exaggerated importance and idolization to their name.
147 And your Lord proclaimed ?If you give thanks, I will increase for you, but if you are rejecting, then My retribution is severe.?
This ought to be what rejecting God is; to not give appreciation and remain completely heedless of Him no matter if you have Knowledge or not. We ought to keep in mind what God's definition of rejection is. Often it seems that you can know that God exists but you "forget" about Him, lose focus.
149 Did not news come to you of those before you the people of Noah, and ?Aad, and Thamud, and those after them whom none know except God? Their messengers came to them with clarity, but they placed their hands onto their mouths and said ?We are rejecting what you have been sent with, and we are in doubt as to what you are inviting us to.?
1410 Their messengers said ?Is there doubt regarding God, the initiator of the heavens and the earth? He invites you so that He may forgive some of your sins, and delay you to an appointed term.? They said ?You are merely human beings like us; you wish to turn us away from what our fathers used to serve. So come to us with a clear proof.?
1411 Their messengers said ?We are indeed human beings like you, but God will bestow His grace upon whom He pleases from His servants. And it is not up to us to bring you proof except with the permission of God. And in God the believers should place their trust?
1412 ?And why should we not place our trust in God, when He has guided us in our paths. And we will be patient to the harm you inflict upon us. And in God those who trust should place their trust.?
1413 And those who rejected said to their messengers ?We will expel you from our land, or you will return to our creed.? It was then that their Lord inspired to them ?We will destroy the wicked.?The Messengers practically preached the same Message in this summary by God and so did Muhammad and Jesus. No more no less.
The losers
1421 And they appeared before God, all of them. And the weak ones said to those who were arrogant ?We were following you, so will you avail us anything from the retribution of God?? They said ?If God had guided us, then we would have guided you. It makes no difference if we cry out or are patient, for we have no refuge.?
1422 And the devil said when the matter was complete ?God had promised you the promise of truth, and I promised you and broke my promise. And I had no power over you except that I invited you and you responded to me. So do not blame me, but blame yourselves; I cannot help you nor can you help me. I reject that you have set me up as a partner before this; the wicked will have a painful retribution.?Green They foolishly followed their spiritual leaders when they uttered complete nonsense which had no basis in the Message and prohibitions never authorized by God.
Blue The devil is an invisible but powerful deceiver and is most efficient when humans distance themselves to God and thus loses His protection, and when we give in to our lusts.
But the righteous Believers were these (who mainly upheld these criteria)
1423 And those who (1) believed and did (2) good works were admitted to estates with rivers flowing beneath them. In them they will abide with the permission of their Lord. Their greeting therein is ?Peace.?
It is incredible how many times God repeats this phrase throughout The Book and people still complicate the Message.
1424 Have you not seen how God puts forth the example that a good word is like a good tree, whose root is firm and whose branches are in the sky.
1425 It bears its fruit every so often with the permission of its Lord; and God puts forth the examples for the people, perhaps they will remember.Red This analogy is very good to prove the (1), (2) and (3) theory if one understands what God means.
1427 God makes firm those who believe with firm sayings in the worldly life, and in the Hereafter. And God misguides the wicked, and God does what He wishes.
1428 Did you not see those who replaced the blessings of God with rejection, and they caused their people to dwell in the abode of destruction?If one does not believe and indulges in bad actions constantly then God will even misguide people Himself. Certain groups come to mind immediately.
1431 Say to My servants who (1) believe, that they should hold the Communion, and (2) spend from what provisions We granted them secretly and openly, before a Day comes when there is no trade therein, nor will there be any friends.
1435 And Abraham said ?My Lord, make this a land of peace, and keep me and my sons away from serving statues.?
The Message shines through here perfectly right in front of your very eyes who have probably read this phrase many times.
1439 ?Praise be to God who has granted me to my old age Ishmael and Isaac; my Lord is Hearer of the prayer.?
1440 ?My Lord, let me hold the Communion, and also from my progeny. Our Lord, and accept my prayer.?Purpose of Communion, to implore God for the things we need.
The Message is really simple, is it not?
God bless you
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Chapter 14 Message check
141 ALR, a Message which We have sent down to you so that you may bring the people out of the darkness and into the Light with the permission of their Lord, to the Path of the Noble, the Praiseworthy.
144 And We have not sent any messenger except in the language of his people, so he may clarify for them. But God misguides whom He wills, and He guides whom He wills. And He is the Noble, the Wise
Red It is thus strange that we use Arabic when God has promised the Messengers speaking the language of his people. This phrase ought to question the obsession with Arabic and its importance for the Message, and that it just happened that these people got their presentation of the Message in this language in the 7th century.
145 And We sent Moses with Our signs ?You shall bring your people out of the darkness and into the light, and remind them of the days of God.? In this are signs for everyone patient and thankful.
146 And Moses said to his people ?Remember the blessings of God upon you that He saved you from the people of Pharaoh; they were afflicting you with the worst punishment, and they used to slaughter your children, and rape your women. And in that was a great test from your Lord.?In all the happenings occurring with the Messengers presence here on Earth it is primarily to remember what God did for you and not the Messengers who channeled God's words. Despite this the Messengers tend to have exaggerated importance and idolization to their name.
147 And your Lord proclaimed ?If you give thanks, I will increase for you, but if you are rejecting, then My retribution is severe.?
This ought to be what rejecting God is; to not give appreciation and remain completely heedless of Him no matter if you have Knowledge or not. We ought to keep in mind what God's definition of rejection is. Often it seems that you can know that God exists but you "forget" about Him, lose focus.
149 Did not news come to you of those before you the people of Noah, and ?Aad, and Thamud, and those after them whom none know except God? Their messengers came to them with clarity, but they placed their hands onto their mouths and said ?We are rejecting what you have been sent with, and we are in doubt as to what you are inviting us to.?
1410 Their messengers said ?Is there doubt regarding God, the initiator of the heavens and the earth? He invites you so that He may forgive some of your sins, and delay you to an appointed term.? They said ?You are merely human beings like us; you wish to turn us away from what our fathers used to serve. So come to us with a clear proof.?
1411 Their messengers said ?We are indeed human beings like you, but God will bestow His grace upon whom He pleases from His servants. And it is not up to us to bring you proof except with the permission of God. And in God the believers should place their trust?
1412 ?And why should we not place our trust in God, when He has guided us in our paths. And we will be patient to the harm you inflict upon us. And in God those who trust should place their trust.?
1413 And those who rejected said to their messengers ?We will expel you from our land, or you will return to our creed.? It was then that their Lord inspired to them ?We will destroy the wicked.?The Messengers practically preached the same Message in this summary by God and so did Muhammad and Jesus. No more no less.
The losers
1421 And they appeared before God, all of them. And the weak ones said to those who were arrogant ?We were following you, so will you avail us anything from the retribution of God?? They said ?If God had guided us, then we would have guided you. It makes no difference if we cry out or are patient, for we have no refuge.?
1422 And the devil said when the matter was complete ?God had promised you the promise of truth, and I promised you and broke my promise. And I had no power over you except that I invited you and you responded to me. So do not blame me, but blame yourselves; I cannot help you nor can you help me. I reject that you have set me up as a partner before this; the wicked will have a painful retribution.?Green They foolishly followed their spiritual leaders when they uttered complete nonsense which had no basis in the Message and prohibitions never authorized by God.
Blue The devil is an invisible but powerful deceiver and is most efficient when humans distance themselves to God and thus loses His protection, and when we give in to our lusts.
But the righteous Believers were these (who mainly upheld these criteria)
1423 And those who (1) believed and did (2) good works were admitted to estates with rivers flowing beneath them. In them they will abide with the permission of their Lord. Their greeting therein is ?Peace.?
It is incredible how many times God repeats this phrase throughout The Book and people still complicate the Message.
1424 Have you not seen how God puts forth the example that a good word is like a good tree, whose root is firm and whose branches are in the sky.
1425 It bears its fruit every so often with the permission of its Lord; and God puts forth the examples for the people, perhaps they will remember.Red This analogy is very good to prove the (1), (2) and (3) theory if one understands what God means.
1427 God makes firm those who believe with firm sayings in the worldly life, and in the Hereafter. And God misguides the wicked, and God does what He wishes.
1428 Did you not see those who replaced the blessings of God with rejection, and they caused their people to dwell in the abode of destruction?If one does not believe and indulges in bad actions constantly then God will even misguide people Himself. Certain groups come to mind immediately.
1431 Say to My servants who (1) believe, that they should hold the Communion, and (2) spend from what provisions We granted them secretly and openly, before a Day comes when there is no trade therein, nor will there be any friends.
1435 And Abraham said ?My Lord, make this a land of peace, and keep me and my sons away from serving statues.?
The Message shines through here perfectly right in front of your very eyes who have probably read this phrase many times.
1439 ?Praise be to God who has granted me to my old age Ishmael and Isaac; my Lord is Hearer of the prayer.?
1440 ?My Lord, let me hold the Communion, and also from my progeny. Our Lord, and accept my prayer.?Purpose of Communion, to implore God for the things we need.
The Message is really simple, is it not?
God bless you
Tis. Very well written. If only everyone saw it this simply....
God bless peace
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Chapter 15 Message check
Let us proceed with yet another chapter of The Book to clarify the clear Message within the text.
151 ALR, these are the signs of the Message, and a clear Book.
Red This is one of those verses that does not make any sense with the traditional view of ketaab as book and then ends with the traditional perception of Qur'an as Qur'an. At least not according to me.
159 Indeed it is We who have sent down the (3) Reminder, and indeed it is We who will preserve it.
1586 Your Lord is the Creator, the Knower.
1587 And We have given you seven of the pairs, and the great Book.
1588 Do not linger with your eyes on what We have bestowed upon some couples from them, and do not grieve for them, and lower your wing for the believers.
1589 And say ?I am the clarifying warner.?
1590 As for the dividers in what We sent down.
1591 The ones who have made the Book partial.
1592 By your Lord, We will ask them all.
1593 Regarding what they used to do.
1594 So proclaim what you have been commanded and turn away from the polytheists.
1595 We will relieve you from those who mocked.
1596 Those who place with God another god. They will come to know.
1597 And We know that your chest is strained by what they say.
1598 So glorify the praise of your Lord, and be of those who prostrate.
1599 And (1) serve your Lord until certainty comes to you.Red This feels like a riddle.
I skipped many verses as they were not relevant for the Message check or simply would be repetition of the same things I linked to previously.
God bless you
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Chapter 16 Message check
Let us immediately continue with the next chapter and see how the Message is incredibly simple and non-uniform. People are allowed to be their own individuals as long as they works towards becoming really good people and build up a strong Faith in God.
162 He sends down the angels with the Spirit by His command upon whom He wishes of His servants (1) ?That you shall warn that there is no god except I, so be aware of Me.?
Red The Message in its simplicity. If people simply believe, show appreciation and do good then mission accomplished.
Green Indeed. God can inspire anyone whom he wishes, and there is nothing which indicates a time restriction.163 - 1617 God gives reasons to believe in Him, although they are outdated for a civilization of the 21st century, so they might not be so impressive today even if they are correct. Had God revealed a book today there would likely be allegories with outer space and planets in a more modern style. The old style of allegories are often abused by atheist to "patheticize" The Book even if they are not wrong but on child level nowadays.
It seems that open polytheism (other gods) was the main issue when The Book was revealed so the accusations by God could possibly be different if God happened to inspire a scripture in this age. It is relatively easy to adjust the verses of The Book in your mind so that you see God's point regardless. Anyway, the gods narrated about could be changed by the god people have done out of Muhammad and Jesus with sayings that possibly never took place. Certain people think that Muhammad has the power of intercession and other ridiculous abilities so you could say that he has god-rank. And Jesus is still as of 21st century regarded as a god, so in ways The Book is still as valid as in the past although there could be a slight change of focus as the issues changed.
I still deem The Book to primarily be aimed for the contemporary population of the 7th century and could be used as a Guide now about 1400 years later, but it is not tailored for a modern population so to say. We have had a slight change of issues from when The Book was written although the moral lessons are still as valid, and because the Message is so uncomplicated.
1630 And it was said to those who were righteous ?What has your Lord sent down?? They said ?All goodness.? For those who have (2) done good in this world there is good; and the Hereafter is goodness. Excellent indeed is the home of the righteous.
Red Consider what you have done when you have done good. That is repeated countless of times in The Book and is the essence of this Message and the other one is purification and communication to God which I conveniently refer to as Communion.
1632 Those whom their lives are terminated by the angels, (2) while they had been good, they will say ?Peace be upon you, enter the Paradise because of that which you have done.?
Red (2) BE GOOD, be of a GOOD character. That and (1) belief and service to God is all that counts. And certain mobilization to uphold justice because a Believer cannot be a bystander, and they know that dieing while being good would be like a blessing, nothing to be afraid of.
1636 And We have sent a messenger to every nation (1) ?You shall serve God and (2) avoid evil.? Some of them were guided by God, and some of them deserved to be misguided. So travel the earth, and see how the punishment was of those who denied.
Red So I say "You shall serve God and avoid evil!"
1637 If you are concerned for their guidance, God does not guide whom He misguides; and they will have no supporters.
Red No matter what you say; some people will not believe, so no reason to be sad because they only argue with you and want to imply that you are ignorant.
1643 And We did not send any except men before you whom We inspired, so ask the people who have received the Reminder if you do not know.
1644 With signs and the revelations. And We sent down to you the Reminder to reveal to the people what was sent to them, and perhaps they will think.The Message is nothing new.
1664 And We have not sent down the Message to you except that you may clarify for them that in which they have disputed, and as a guidance and a mercy for a people who believe.
1689 And the Day We send to every nation a witness against them from themselves, and We have brought you as a witness against these. And We have sent down to you the Message as a clarification for all things, and a guidance and a mercy and good tidings to those who have submitted.
1690 God orders (2) justice and goodness and that you shall help your relatives, and He prohibits immorality and vice and transgression. He warns you that you may remember.
What is the Message?
1691 And fulfill your pledge to God when you pledge so, and do not break your oath after making it, for you have made God a sponsor over you. God is aware of what you do.
1697 Whoever does (2) good works, whether male or female, and is a (1) believer, We will give him a good life and We will reward them their dues with the best of what they used to do.
1698 When you read The Book, you shall seek refuge with God from the outcast devil.
1699 He has no authority over those who believe, and who put their trust in their Lord.Red If you believe; God narrates that Shaytaan has no authority over you. And as you know belief in a nutshell is belief (Faith) in God and doing good; such people will be "shielded" against the temptations of the evil one.
16101 And if We exchange a revelation in place of another revelation; and God is more aware of what He is revealing; they say ?You are making this up!? Alas, most of them do not know.
A classical; "God's pen does never run out of ink", fits fine here.
16102 Say ?The Holy Spirit has brought it down from your Lord with the truth, so that those who (1) believe will be strengthened, and as a Guidance and good news for those who have submitted.?
16103 And We are aware that they say ?A human being is teaching him.? The tongue of the one they refer to is foreign, while this is a clear Arabic tongue.
16104 Those who do not believe in the signs of God, God will not guide them, and they will have a painful retribution.
16105 Inventing fabrications is only done by those who do not believe in the signs of God; and these are the liars.Red The inspiration is channeled to the receiving servant of God.
Green It would be interesting to imagine that the same phrase could as well be repeated again if there would be a revelation in yet another language something like "The tongue of the one they refer to is foreign, while this is a clear tongue"
16112 And God puts forth the example of a town which was (2) peaceful and content, its provisions were coming to it bountifully from all places, but then it (-2) rebelled against the blessings of God, and God made it taste hunger and fear for what they used to do.
16113 And a messenger came to them from themselves, but they denied him, so the punishment took them while they were wicked.
16114 So (2) eat from what God has provided you, that which is good and lawful, and be (1) thankful for the blessing of God, if it is indeed He whom you serve.
16115 He has only forbidden for you what is already dead, and the blood, and the meat of pig, and what was dedicated to other than God. But whoever is forced to, without seeking disobedience or transgression, then God is Forgiver, Merciful.
16116 And do not say, as to what your tongues falsely describe ?This is lawful, and that is forbidden;? that you seek to invent lies about God. Those who invent lies about God will not succeed.Red This is haraam and this is halal etc. It is pretty clear that they indulged in various conjecture and possibly oppressed those who opposed this madness.
16118 And for those who are Jewish, We forbade what We told to you before. And We did not wrong them, but they were wronging themselves.
The Jews had some community-specific prohibitions, and God is right that He told you about it previously. You see it earlier in my Message checks.
16119 Then your Lord to those who do (-2) evil out of ignorance, then they repent after that and (2) they make good, your Lord after that is Forgiver, Merciful.
16120 Abraham was a nation, (2) dutiful to God, a monotheist, and he was not of the polytheists.
16121 (1) Thankful for His blessings. He chose him and guided him to a straight path.
16122 And We gave him good in this world, and in the Hereafter he is of the upright ones.
16123 Then We inspired to you ?You shall follow the creed of Abraham, monotheism, and he was not of the polytheists.?
16124 Indeed, the Sabbath was only decreed for those who had disputed in it, and your Lord will judge between them for that in which they had disputed.This is one of the vague (translated) verses mentioning the Sabbath. I do not buy the argument to exclude it on this basis. I am going to have to continue to research on this.
16126 And if you punish, then punish with equivalence to that which you were punished. And if you are patient then it is better for the patient ones.
16127 And be patient, for your patience is on none except God. And do not grieve for them, and do not be depressed by what they scheme.16128 God is with those who are (1) aware and are (2) good doers.
It is clear that it is better to forgive than to seek revenge at all. God has made written that it is one of the main traits to be patient.
God bless you
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Peace Man of Daith
Until now I agree if Kitab in QUran can be mean Book or letter/chapter.
Quran's language pattern indeed is a special, even for Arab themself.A word hasmany multiple meaning depend on it's context.One of the example is the word "Rabb" in Chapter Yusuf.The word "Rabb mostly directed to the One Supreme Being, but in that chapter also directed to Jusuf's FIr'aun
God Bless You
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Peace Earthdom,
I have put much of my brain processing power on ketaab, but its root word seems to incline towards to compose something such as a composition, but in my own philosophies it does not have to mean a concrete object in its noun form ketaab. Ketaab as letter could be it, but I find the word still connotes to kind of a prescription, much like the doctors give to their patients and that put me to the decision of using the word Message for the context of The Book. The problem we face with ketaab is that we humans have a tendency to always have to relate to things physically and that has caused ketaab to become a thing. But as a physical item 'ketaab' does not fit all the context and some of the verses look pathetic if you ask me, but if you give a slightly more abstract meaning such as message which a book could possibly be although it means more abstractly. A message is usually abstract in meaning and in The Book ketaab as concrete item does not suit the context.
Ketaab as letter is better than book, but I still am not satisfied with that as it does still not give enough. Ketaab in The Book is many times evidently not a physical item because it does not fit the context and it makes it faulty. For example; Abraham could not have known about physical books unless he knew the future as in the verse I was talking about in previous posts where Abraham together with his son prayed
2129 ?Our Lord, and send among them a messenger from among themselves, that he may recite to them Your revelations and teach them the Book and the wisdom, and purify them. You are the Noble, the Wise.?
Red What book did he refer to? Could the man read the future or does ketaab really mean a physical book? If you replace book and insert Message then the sentence takes its true form according to me.
And its meaning is not adaptable to just this context, but that is true for the word ketaab wherever you encounter it in The Book.
It does not exclude that the word does mean to compose something, but it does not have the absolute meaning that the result product has to be a physical item. In the case of The Book in relates to the contents of it as the Message.
Based on this I know that the Torah and Gospel are also part of the Message and not necessarily physical books. I personally believe that Moses only received guidelines on two stone tablets which he and his people were told to follow and which also Jesus were taught to follow although he came with news which the Message Gospel means and you know yourself what Jesus spoke about if you read one of the Gospel testimonies. What they taught are part of the grand Message, but Torah and Gospel themselves are the abstract teachings of respective era. The Messengers before Gospel taught strictly what was of the Torah while Jesus elaborated and showed that you could regard the list of commandments as the minimum requirement. What the Jews know of the original prohibitions they had that is the Torah, but lots of what they do is inventions much like we know happens to Muslims today. Jews have a relatively small list of things to do; the ten commandments and some community-specific commands. The list of the ten commandments (I think is al-furqan) is still valid for every Believer in the system of God and His Covenant.
Once again I am bold as to claim Torah and Gospel are not to be regarded concretely but abstractly although you follow Torah if you follow the (original) teachings of Moses althogh the Message is renewed with news that newer generations do not to be punished for their (the Jews from the Exodus and following generations) sins not to eat from the good which God forbade because the Jews had sinned. Possibly it is this that is the Gospel, i.e. that certain prohibitions were lifted and Jesus were a Light that showed that one could apply the heart in the interpretation of the Message and that the Torah is just the minimum requirement expected from a Believer.
So the Bible carries some Truth, but much of the Old Testament is not to be considered The Criterion and the Torah of Moses. In fact very little of it and you can apply logic that it has to be contained in text on two ancient stone tablets. And obviously the Gospels you find in the New Testament were not written by Jesus and nothing exists which were written by Jesus. There is probably nothing that Jesus wrote and the Gospels reveal most of what Jesus did quite well despite distortion, so there was really no need for him to write down anything. If you tinker on the Gospels next time you read them you find that the Message is not to do only minimally what is required of a Believer but do more and Jesus gave the optimum state of a Believer to completely reject the wealth of this world and only do things to help others.
God bless you
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Peace Earthdom,
I have put much of my brain processing power on ketaab, but its root word seems to incline towards to compose something such as a composition, but in my own philosophies it does not have to mean a concrete object in its noun form ketaab. Ketaab as letter could be it, but I find the word still connotes to kind of a prescription, much like the doctors give to their patients and that put me to the decision of using the word Message for the context of The Book. The problem we face with ketaab is that we humans have a tendency to always have to relate to things physically and that has caused ketaab to become a thing. But as a physical item 'ketaab' does not fit all the context and some of the verses look pathetic if you ask me, but if you give a slightly more abstract meaning such as message which a book could possibly be although it means more abstractly. A message is usually abstract in meaning and in The Book ketaab as concrete item does not suit the context.
Ketaab as letter is better than book, but I still am not satisfied with that as it does still not give enough. Ketaab in The Book is many times evidently not a physical item because it does not fit the context and it makes it faulty. For example; Abraham could not have known about physical books unless he knew the future as in the verse I was talking about in previous posts where Abraham together with his son prayed
2129 ?Our Lord, and send among them a messenger from among themselves, that he may recite to them Your revelations and teach them the Book and the wisdom, and purify them. You are the Noble, the Wise.?
Red What book did he refer to? Could the man read the future or does ketaab really mean a physical book? If you replace book and insert Message then the sentence takes its true form according to me.
And its meaning is not adaptable to just this context, but that is true for the word ketaab wherever you encounter it in The Book.
It does not exclude that the word does mean to compose something, but it does not have the absolute meaning that the result product has to be a physical item. In the case of The Book in relates to the contents of it as the Message.
Based on this I know that the Torah and Gospel are also part of the Message and not necessarily physical books. I personally believe that Moses only received guidelines on two stone tablets which he and his people were told to follow and which also Jesus were taught to follow although he came with news which the Message Gospel means and you know yourself what Jesus spoke about if you read one of the Gospel testimonies. What they taught are part of the grand Message, but Torah and Gospel themselves are the abstract teachings of respective era. The Messengers before Gospel taught strictly what was of the Torah while Jesus elaborated and showed that you could regard the list of commandments as the minimum requirement. What the Jews know of the original prohibitions they had that is the Torah, but lots of what they do is inventions much like we know happens to Muslims today. Jews have a relatively small list of things to do; the ten commandments and some community-specific commands. The list of the ten commandments (I think is al-furqan) is still valid for every Believer in the system of God and His Covenant.
Once again I am bold as to claim Torah and Gospel are not to be regarded concretely but abstractly although you follow Torah if you follow the (original) teachings of Moses althogh the Message is renewed with news that newer generations do not to be punished for their (the Jews from the Exodus and following generations) sins not to eat from the good which God forbade because the Jews had sinned. Possibly it is this that is the Gospel, i.e. that certain prohibitions were lifted and Jesus were a Light that showed that one could apply the heart in the interpretation of the Message and that the Torah is just the minimum requirement expected from a Believer.
So the Bible carries some Truth, but much of the Old Testament is not to be considered The Criterion and the Torah of Moses. In fact very little of it and you can apply logic that it has to be contained in text on two ancient stone tablets. And obviously the Gospels you find in the New Testament were not written by Jesus and nothing exists which were written by Jesus. There is probably nothing that Jesus wrote and the Gospels reveal most of what Jesus did quite well despite distortion, so there was really no need for him to write down anything. If you tinker on the Gospels next time you read them you find that the Message is not to do only minimally what is required of a Believer but do more and Jesus gave the optimum state of a Believer to completely reject the wealth of this world and only do things to help others.
God bless you
Your "personal" beliefs count for nothing . . . and are text book definition of "Conjecture". Only thing that counts is evidence from Quran.
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Your "personal" beliefs count for nothing . . . and are text book definition of "Conjecture". Only thing that counts is evidence from Quran.
His personal beliefs count for exactly as much as anyone else's personal beliefs.
People can prove anything about anything in any direction. Let's not judge each other. Instead try being silent and listen to Allah in your heart, not in your conditioned and fearful mind. -
His personal beliefs count for exactly as much as anyone else's personal beliefs.
People can prove anything about anything in any direction. Let's not judge each other. Instead try being silent and listen to Allah in your heart, not in your conditioned and fearful mind.Then - learn to keep it quiet. Isn't it dead ironic . . . that Quran only cover the gaps . . . from themselves? And claim to be restricted to Quran only? Yet that is so obviously NOT the case.
People can prove anything about anything in any direction.
Atta! But hat you cannot "prove" is what you just made up.
Let's not judge each other. Instead try being silent and listen to Allah in your heart, not in your conditioned and fearful mind.
Meaningless religious babble. Sorry never paid heed to such "sanctimony".
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Then - learn to keep it quiet. Isn't it dead ironic . . . that Quran only cover the gaps . . . from themselves? And claim to be restricted to Quran only? Yet that is so obviously NOT the case.
I'm certainly not restricted to "quran only". But anyway, I'll remain silent. -X . . .
Atta! But hat you cannot "prove" is what you just made up.
No-one can.
Meaningless religious babble. Sorry never paid heed to such "sanctimony".
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Meaningless.. to you, yes apparently.
Religious? Not at all. I stand apart from religion.
But what do you pay heed to?Peace sun
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Peace,
Please no fighting here. The Chimp is entitled to his opinion. Perchance there is someone else who appreciates the studies.
God bless whom he wills
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I'm certainly not restricted to "quran only". But anyway, I'll remain silent. -X . . . )
No-one can.
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Meaningless.. to you, yes apparently.
Religious? Not at all. I stand apart from religion.
But what do you pay heed to?Peace sun
Meaningless.. to you, yes apparently.
Religious? Not at all. I stand apart from religion.
But what do you pay heed to?Sincerity. genuine sincerity. And not bibble-babble and meaningless sanctimonious spiels . . .
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Peace,
Please no fighting here. The Chimp is entitled to his opinion. Perchance there is someone else who appreciates the studies.
God bless whom he wills
I have questioned you and found you lacking. . . in so many ways. What you write is nothing more than meaningless spiels. If you were genuine . . . and not trying to carve up a career as "wise" guy . . . and invested time in studying rather than spouting meaningless and baseless theories . . . then . . .
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Peace The Chimp,
Okay. Thanks for your input. Have a nice day.
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I personally believe that Moses only received guidelines on two stone tablets which he and his people were told to follow and which also Jesus were taught to follow although he came with news which the Message Gospel means and you know yourself what Jesus spoke about if you read one of the Gospel testimonies. What they taught are part of the grand Message, but Torah and Gospel themselves are the abstract teachings of respective era. The Messengers before Gospel taught strictly what was of the Torah while Jesus elaborated and showed that you could regard the list of commandments as the minimum requirement. What the Jews know of the original prohibitions they had that is the Torah, but lots of what they do is inventions much like we know happens to Muslims today. Jews have a relatively small list of things to do; the ten commandments and some community-specific commands.
I also believe in so.Actually all the phrophets never wrote anykinds of Scripture, they received revelations via oral transmission.
It's third parties who wrote Scriptures in text, they can be companios, apostles, clerics etc.
This supported by verses both in Tanakh til the Quran.I see the ten commandment itself is the result of religious councils, I never found this formula in Tanakh.
God bless you.
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Peace Earthdom.
What about Moses?
Did he receive Written tablets?
Peace to you.
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Chapter 17 Message check
172 And We gave Moses the Message and We made it a guidance for the Children of Israel ?Do not believe in any besides Me.?
173 The progeny of those whom We carried with Noah, he was a thankful servant.
174 And We decreed in the Message to the Children of Israel, that you will make corruption twice on the earth, and that you will become very high and mighty.
175 So, when the promise of the first one comes to pass, We would send against you servants of Ours who are very powerful, thus they managed to breach your very homes, and this was a promise which has come to pass.
176 Then We gave back to you your independence from them, and We supplied you with wealth and sons, and We made you more influential.
177 If you (2) do good, then it will be good for you, and if you (-2) do bad, then so be it. But when the promise of the second time comes, they will make your faces filled with sorrow and they will enter the Temple as they did the first time, and they will strike down all that was raised up.Red Phrase reinforcing the linguistic need for ketaab to be Message rather than Book.
179 This Book guides to that which is more upright, and it gives glad tidings to the (1) believers who (2) do good works that they will have a bountiful reward.
1710 And for those who do not believe in the Hereafter, We have prepared for them a painful retribution.
1711 And man calls to evil as much as he calls to good, and man was always hasty.Blue The common man in a nutshell in my humble opinion.
1719 And whoever seeks the Hereafter and (2) strives for it as it deserves, and is a (1) believing person, then to those what they have sought is given in thanks.
1723 And your Lord decreed that you shall (1) not serve except He, and (2) do good to your parents. When one of them or both of them reach old age, do not say to them a word of disrespect nor shout at them, but say to them a kind saying.
1725 Your Lord is fully aware of what is in your souls. If you are (2) good, then He is to the obedient a Forgiver.
1726 And give the (2) relative his due, and the poor, and the wayfarer; and do not waste excessively.
1727 Those who (-2) waste excessively are brothers to the devils, and the devil was to his Lord a rejecter.Green Consume in moderation.
1728 And if you turn away from them to seek a mercy from your Lord which you desire, then say to them a gentle saying.
1729 And do not make your hand stingy by holding it to your neck, nor shall you lay it fully open so you become in despair and regret.
1730 Your Lord lays out openly the provision for whom He wishes, and He is able to do so. He is Expert and Seer over His servants.Green I interpret these verses as in spoiling yourself in some provisions from God and it ought to be done modestly and without making a big display of it. But the verse tells that it can be done righteously as long as you show appreciation. This set of verses show part of my chain of Faith called 'Peace and Prosperity' when God has begun to bless the Believer with provisions.
1731 And do not (-2) kill your children out of concern of poverty; We shall provide for you and them. The killing of them was a big mistake.
1732 And do not come near (-2) adultery, for it is immoral and an evil path.
1733 And do not (-2) take a life, for God has made this forbidden, except in the course of justice. And whoever is killed innocently, then We have given his heir authority, so let him not transgress in the taking of a life, for He will be given victory.
1734 And do not (-2) come near the money of the orphan, except for that which is best, until he reaches his independence. And fulfill the pledge, for the pledge brings great responsibility.
1735 And (2) give full measure when you deal, and weigh with a balance that is straight. That is (2) good and better in the end.
1736 And do (-2) not uphold what you have no knowledge of; for the hearing, eyesight, and heart - all these you are responsible for.
1737 And do not walk in the land (-2) arrogantly, for you will not penetrate the earth, nor will you reach the mountains in height.1738 All of this is (-2) bad, and disliked by your Lord.
1739 That is from what your Lord has inspired to you of the Wisdom. And do not make with God (-1) another god, or you will be cast into Hell, blameworthy and regretting.
Blue Even if God gives the right to kill in the course of justice it is more righteous to save a life whenever possible.
Green Some people would probably abuse this against what I have written here despite it is just copy-pasting from The Book and writing commentary. Okay, they would say so about ketaab and quran, but I stand by that.
Red And that is basically the whole Message printed out in a short sequence of verses, together with the verses what you should do above the horizontal line and the one above that including the text in bold. Uphold justice is the key.
1741 And We have dispatched in this Book that they may remember, but it only increases their aversion!
1745 And when you read the Book, We place between you and those who do not believe in the Hereafter an invisible barrier.
1746 And we place shields over their hearts, that they should not understand it, and a deafness in their ears. And if you mention your Lord in the Book alone, they run away turning their backs in aversion.1757 The ones you call on, they are themselves seeking a path to their Lord which is nearer, and they desire His mercy, and they fear His retribution. The retribution of your Lord is to be feared!
Blue It is a hint that God is not necessarily referring to stone statues and such idols but real people who are being revered as gods. It would obviously question those who hold for example Muhammad excessively high.
1758 And there is not a town before the Day of Resurrection that We will not destroy it, or punish it with a severe punishment. This is in the Message.
1760 And when We said to you ?Your Lord has encompassed the people.? And We did not make the vision that We showed you except as a test for the people, and the tree that was cursed in the Book. And We are making them fearful, but it only increases their transgression.
1765 ?As for (1) My servants, you (Shaytaan) will have no power over them.? And your Lord is enough as a Caretaker.
Red As long as a person struggles to fulfill the criteria in this circular diagram and by following the Message, the above verse is true for them
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1773 And they nearly diverted you from what We inspired to you so that you would fabricate something different against Us, and then they would have taken you as a friend!
1774 And if We had not made you stand firm, you were about to lean towards them a little bit.
1775 Then, We would have made you taste double the retribution in this life and double the retribution in death. And then you would not find for yourself any victor against Us.
1776 And they nearly intimidated you so they could drive you out of the land. But then they would have been destroyed shortly after you were gone.
1777 Such was the way of those whom We had sent before you of Our messengers. And you will not find any change in Our way.Blue And the "infallible" Muhammad nearly commits a grave sin except that The Lord saved him from doing so. So much for infallibility.
1778 Hold the Communion till the setting of the sun; to the murkiness of the night; and the Book at dawn - the Book at dawn is witnessed.
Red In case the verse above should be read in conjunction with the preceding verses it would mean that the Communion mentioned here was something specific for the Messenger in this narration. Otherwise The Lord surely switches fast from directing the focus on Muhammad to other people.
1779 And from the night, as an addition, you shall reflect upon it for yourself, perhaps your Lord would grant you a station that is praiseworthy.
1780 And say ?My Lord, admit me an entrance of truth and let me exit an exit of truth, and grant me from Yourself a support to victory.?
1781 And say ?The truth has come and falsehood has perished. Falsehood is always bound to perish!?
1782 And We send down from the Book what is a healing and mercy to the believers. And it only increases the wicked in their loss.
1785 And they ask you concerning the Spirit. Say ?The Spirit is from the authority of my Lord; and the knowledge you were given was but very little.?
1786 And if We wished, We would take away that which We have inspired to you. Then you would not find for yourself with it against Us a caretaker.Red The Holy Spirit which is some special The Force-like energy in the Universe which runs stronger in some people. It is interesting that one can draw a parallel to something like Star Wars.
1787 Except for a mercy from your Lord. His grace upon you has been great.
1788 Say ?If all mankind and the Jinn were to gather to bring a Book like this, they could not come with its like, even if they were helping one another.?
1789 And We have dispatched to the people in this Book from every example, but most of the people refuse to be anything but rejecters!
1790 And they said ?We will not believe unto you until you cause a spring of water to burst out of the ground?
1791 ?Or that you have an estate of palm trees and grapes, and you cause gushing rivers to burst through it.?
1792 ?Or that you make the heaven fall upon us in pieces as you claimed, or that you bring God and the angels before us.?
1793 ?Or that you have a luxurious home, or that you can ascend into the heavens. And we will not believe in your ascension unless you bring for us a message that we can read.? Say ?Glory be to my Lord. Am I anything other than a human messenger!?
1794 And what stopped the people from believing when the guidance came to them, except that they said ?Has God sent a human messenger??Green How highly the people usually regard their (previous) Messengers. Muhammad, Jesus are seldom regarded as common folks.
17105 And it is with the truth that We have sent it down, and with the truth it came down. And We have not sent you except as a bearer of good news and a warner.
17110 Say ?Call on God or call on the Almighty; by whichever you call on, to Him are the best names.? And do not be too loud in making your Communion, nor too quiet; but seek a path in between.
17111 And say ?Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness.? And magnify Him greatly.Red Obviously an example of what kind of phrase you can have in your Communion, but it is a conversation or monologue to God and it has a purpose other than parroting phrases as the Pagans. We have proved relatively well in previous examinations that Communion is serves a purpose of communication with The Lord. is a word that connotes communication/connection and several other related meanings and is not able to change the meaning so much out from the root's meaning.
We have many examples of Communion in The Book where people implore God or talks to God about their issues and so we have in the Bible too. This is the salah one ought to keep.
Green God has no definite name, but call upon Him by whatever suitable name you find that is honorable.
God bless you