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Nearness and Guidance -> Knowledge and Wisdom = Peace and Prosperity

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    Peace brother.

    Actually I practice 604 laws.But they all originate from one single law

    LOVE. ( Love GOD and love your fellow humans)

    GOD bless you

    Peace.

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      Peace good logic,

      The tablets were with written information and they did not contain endless amounts of words but some phrases, a small portion of what people claim. There are no 603 laws or whatever the Jews claim, but they were given some brief commandments and from there the conjecture begun.

      The history repeats itself now with "Islam's" sharia laws and the conjecture (hadith) which is out there, while the Message is very simple and one would be fine by simply obeying the text on the tablets from thousands of years ago. If we apply our intellect we can live with the teachings of Moses as they supply enough Guidance together with when we seek the blessings of The Lord.

      The question is which faction beats the other in amount of conjecture in rotation.

      And I will be threatened and mocked (and perhaps killed) for simply proclaiming the Message, but that is fine because it is a noble mission. Believe and do good and communicate with the Lord and fight injustice. This I stand by.

      And I am sorry that I replied in Earthdom's stand.

      God bless you

      How ironic . . . you accuse others of "conjecture", yet, commit the same crime. And when you are questioned about this . . . you are NOT able to answer.

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        Peace.

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          Peace.

          Saying this doesn't really help out . . . you will start all over again.

          If you are unable to answer . . . then stop making accusations about others. . . and inventing guff.

          Look how quickly your "rubbish" is demolished. If you are genuine . . . learn from it and improve. . . rather than trying to put about that you are some kind of real wise guy.

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            Peace,

            Okay. Thanks for your input, The Chimp.

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              Chapter 18 Message check

              181 Praise be to God who has sent down the Message to His servant, and He has not made in it any crookedness.

              182 It is valuable, giving warning of the severe punishment from Him; and it gives glad tidings to the (1) believers who do (2) good works, that they will have an excellent reward.

              183 In which they will remain eternally.

              Blue/Red The Message black on white. This is the criteria of God's creed and system.


              The cave-dwellers

              1813 We tell to you their news with the truth. They were youths (1) who believed in their Lord, and We increased them in Guidance.
              1814 And We made firm their hearts when they stood and said ?Our Lord, the Lord of the heavens and the earth, we will not call besides Him any god. If we have done so then it was in error.?
              1815 ?Here are our people, they have taken gods besides Him, while they do not come with any clear authority. Who then is more wicked than he who invents lies about God??

              This was in a Communion (salah) to God they said this and it is just what it is communication.

              They were so strong in Faith (infused with the Holy Spirit) that God inspired to them

              1816 ?So when you withdraw from them and what they serve besides God, seek refuge in the cave, and your Lord will spread His mercy upon you and prepare for your problem a solution.?

              A reverent Believer should believe that God could possibly go this straight-forward to us and inspire this clearly to us, possibly through an angel though it is not clear from the narration.

              Green They sought God's Nearness and thus they gained Guidance much like in my thread's approach with Nearness and Guidance.


              1827 And recite what has been inspired to you from the Message of your Lord, there is no changing His words, and you will not find besides Him any refuge.

              1830 Those who (1) believe and do (2) good works, We do not waste the reward of those who have done good work.


              This narration with the two men who had gardens might make us question what God means with setting up partners with God which is echoed throughout the whole Book. There are no partners as far as I am concerned except his own ego here, so logically it should mean that every instance in The Book follows the same reasoning when it comes to associating partners with God. It could be just anything which you believe is a help other than God in deciding the outcome of things.

              1832 And give them the example of two men We made for one of them two gardens of grapes, and We surrounded them with palm trees, and We made crops in their midst.
              1833 Each of the two gardens brought forth its produce, and none failed in the least. And We caused a river to gush through them.
              1834 And he had fruit, so he said to his friend while discussing with him (-2) ?I am better off than you financially, and of great influence.?
              1835 And he went back into his garden while he had wronged himself. He said ?I do not think that this will ever perish.?
              1836 ?And I do not think that the Hour is coming. And if I am indeed returned to my Lord, then I will surely find even better things for me.?
              1837 His friend said to him while discussing with him ?Have you disbelieved in the One who has created you from dust, then from a seed, then He evolved you into a man??
              1838 ?But He is God, my Lord, and I do not set up any partners at all with my Lord.?
              1839 ?And if you enter your garden, you should say ?This is what God has given, there is no power except by God.? You see me as being less than you in wealth and in children??
              1840 ?Perhaps my Lord will give me better than your garden, and He will send upon it a tornado from the sky, so it becomes completely barren.?
              1841 ?Or that its water becomes deep under-ground, so you will not be capable of seeking it.?
              1842 So his fruits were ruined, and he began turning his hands at that which he had spent on it while it remained destroyed upon its branches. And he said ?I wish I had not set up any partner with my Lord!?

              Blue He was pretty arrogant, yes? Well, he seems to have believed but that he could somehow evade the requital from God or he would not have used these words. Perhaps he thought that God actively blessed him and that he was better than the poor (or less rich) and less famous man. The arrogant man disbelieved in the absolute authority of God, but he doubted a bit as he said "if" and talked about "my Lord".


              1854 And We have dispatched in this Book for the people from every example; but man has always been most argumentative.

              < --- >

              Verses mainly been talking about Moses travel companion and it is a good lesson in it.

              18102 Did those who reject think that they could take My servants as allies besides Me? We have prepared Hell for the rejecters as a dwelling.

              Some people think that Muhammad can help them.


              18107 Those who (1) believe and do (2) good works, they will have the gardens of Paradise as a dwelling.


              18109 Say ?If the sea were an inkwell for the words of my Lord, then the sea would run out before the words of my Lord run out;? even if We were to bring another like it as an extension.

              18110 Say ?I am but a human being like you, being inspired that your god is One god. So whoever looks forward to meeting his Lord, then let him (1) do good works, and (1) not serve anyone besides his Lord.?

              What is the matter with you? Do you not think the Lord is right here right now?

              God bless you

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                Chapter 19 Message check

                The righteous Zachariah was performing his Communion (salah)

                192 A reminder of the mercy of your Lord to His servant Zachariah.
                193 When he called out to his Lord secretly.
                194 He said ?My Lord, my bones have gone frail, and my hair has turned white, and I have never been mischievous in imploring You my Lord.?
                195 ?And I fear the kinfolk after I am gone, and my wife is infertile, so grant me from Yourself an ally.?
                196 ?To inherit from me, and inherit from the descendants of Jacob. And make him my Lord, well pleasing.?

                The Lord responded

                197 ?O Zachariah, We give you glad tidings of a son whose name is John. We have not given that name before to anyone.?

                Zachariah in return expressed

                198 He said ?My Lord, how can I have a son when my wife is infertile, and I have reached a very old age??

                The Lord (Himself) responded again

                199 He said ?It is such that your Lord has said. It is an easy thing for Me. And I had created you before, when you were not a thing.?

                Purple It is pretty obvious that the words were inspired directly from the Lord with no middle-hands, probably as he was performing the communication (salah) with God.

                1910 He said ?My Lord, make for me a sign.? He said ?Your sign is that you will not speak to the people for three nights consecutively.]?

                Red Zachariah is still addressing The Lord indicating that the kind of communication is taking place between him and God. It is possible that God's words are echoing inside the recipient's mind and not like a normal verbal communication. I have myself not had the pleasure of having this kind of clear communication with The Lord, but I believe that it could happen and it is probably not usually happening except in rare cases or when your Faith has reached a certain strength.

                1911 So he went out among his people from the temple enclosure, and he indicated to them that they should glorify Him at dawn and dusk.

                Green Giving fuel to those who propose a two salat schedule. I would say that you ought to glorify and/or commune with Him as often as possible and when required (which ought to be quite often since we implore Him for our needs). But I would be able to agree that the least you can do is glorify The Lord at the both ends of the day.


                1912 ?O John, take the Message with confidence.? And We gave him authority while in his youth.

                The standard interpretation (with Book) sounds lame in this phrase while with my "conjecture" Message is slightly better.

                1913 And tenderness from Us, and purity, and he was ever (2) righteous.
                1914 And (2) dutiful to his parents, and never was he a disobedient tyrant.
                1915 And peace be upon him the day he was born, and the day he dies, and the Day he is resurrected alive.

                This John was curiously similar to Jesus in his appearance, i.e. how Jesus is usually described, but they are separate persons. It was just an observation.

                1916 And relate in the Message, Mary, when she withdrew herself from her family to a place which was to the east.
                1917 So she took a barrier to separate her from them, so We sent Our Spirit to her, and he took on the shape of a human being in all similarity.
                1918 She said ?I seek refuge with the Almighty from you if you are righteous.?
                1919 He said ?I am the Messenger of your Lord, to grant you the gift of a pure son.?
                1920 She said ?How can I have a son when no human being has been with me, nor have I desired such??
                1921 He said ?It is such that your Lord has said, it is easy for Me. And We shall make him a sign for the people and a mercy from Us. It is a matter already ordained.?
                1922 So she was pregnant with him, and she went to deliver in a far place.
                1923 Then the birth pains came to her, by the trunk of a palm tree. She said ?I wish I had died before this, and became totally forgotten!?
                1924 But then he called to her from beneath her ?Do not be sad, your Lord has made below you a stream.?
                1925 ?And shake the trunk of this palm tree, it will cause ripe dates to fall upon you.?
                1926 ?So eat and drink and be content. If you see any human being, then say ?I have vowed an abstinence for the Almighty, so I will not talk today to any of mankind.??
                1927 Then she came to her people carrying him. They said ?O Mary, you have come with a thing totally unexpected!?
                1928 ?O sister of Aaron, your father was not a wicked man, and your mother has never been unchaste!?
                1929 So she pointed to him. They said ?How can we talk to someone who is a child in a cradle??
                1930 He said ?I am a servant of God, He has given me the Message and made me a prophet.?
                1931 ?And He has made me blessed wherever I am, and He has charged me with the (1) Communion and Purification as long as I am alive.?
                1932 ?And to be (2) dutiful to my mother, and He has not made me a mischievous tyrant.?
                1933 ?And peace be upon me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the Day I am resurrected alive.?
                1934 Such was Jesus, son of Mary, and this is the truth of the matter in which they doubt.
                1935 God was never to take a son, be He glorified. If He decrees a matter, then He simply says to it ?Be,? and it is.

                1936 And God is my Lord and your Lord, so serve Him. This is a straight path.


                1941 And recall in the Message, Abraham; he was a man of truth, a prophet.

                1951 And recall in the Message, Moses; he was loyal, and he was a messenger prophet.

                1954 And recall in the Message, Ishmael; he was truthful to his promise, and he was a messenger prophet.

                Note Sometimes the English word 'lore' comes to mind to describe the word phenomenon 'ketaab' in some strange way.

                1955 And he used to instruct his family to the Communion and Purification, and his Lord was pleased with him.

                1956 And recall in the Message, Enoch; he was a man of truth, a prophet.

                1958 Those are the ones whom God has blessed from among the prophets from the progeny of Adam, and those We carried with Noah, and from the progeny of Abraham and Israel, and from whom We have guided and chosen. When the revelations of the Almighty are recited to them, they fall down prostrating, and in tears.


                1959 Then, generations came after them who lost the Communion, and followed desires. They will find their consequences.
                1960 Except for whoever repents and (1) believes and does (2) good works; they will be admitted to the Paradise, and they will not be wronged in the least.

                1962 They will not hear in it any nonsense, only peace. And they will have their provision in it morning and evening.

                Red Too right. No nonsense conjecture they will hear in there.

                1964 ?And we are not sent except by the authority of your Lord. To Him are our present and our future, and all that is in-between. And your Lord was never to forget.?
                1965 ?The Lord of the heavens and the earth and what is between them. So serve Him and be patient in His service. Do you know anything that is like Him??

                1970 Then, it is We who are best aware of those who deserve to be burnt therein.

                Red Exactly. God knows and people cannot decide for others. Particularly those who do not obey the Message themselves.

                1976 And God increases the guidance of those who are guided. And the goodness that endures is better with your Lord as a reward and a far better return.


                For the Christians

                1988 And they said the Almighty has taken a son!
                1989 You have come with a gross blasphemy.
                1990 The heavens are about to shatter from it, and the earth crack open, and the mountains fall and crumble.
                1991 That they claimed that the Almighty had a son!
                1992 And what need does the Almighty have to take a son?

                Blue It shows that God strongly disapproves of those who say... the bad words involving a trinity.


                1996 Those who (1) believe and do (2) good works, the Almighty will make for them affection.

                1997 Thus We have made this easy in your tongue so that you may give good news with it to the righteous and that you may warn with it the quarrelsome people.

                This was indeed a Book intended for the people who received it, although it does not mean that other people cannot find Guidance in it, but it is not an exclusive Message for Arab-speaking people. The Message is not limited to this Book and

                18109 Say ?If the sea were an inkwell for the words of my Lord, then the sea would run out before the words of my Lord run out;? even if We were to bring another like it as an extension.

                God bless you

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                  Chapter 20 Message check

                  202 We did not send down to you the Book so you may suffer.
                  203 It is but a reminder for he who is concerned.
                  204 Sent down from the One who has created the earth and the heavens above.

                  208 God, there is no god except He, to Him are the beautiful names.


                  209 And did the narrative of Moses come to you?
                  2010 When he saw a fire, he said to his family ?Stay here, I have seen a fire, perhaps I can bring a piece from it, or find at the fire some guidance.?
                  2011 So when he came to it he was called ?O Moses.?
                  2012 ?I am your Lord, so take off your slippers; you are in the holy valley Tuwa.?
                  2013 ?And I have chosen you, so listen to what is being inspired.?
                  2014 ?I am God, there is no god except Me, so serve Me and hold the Communion for My remembrance.?

                  Red Do you think Moses held his communication with God in Arabic?

                  2065 They said ?O Moses, either you cast down or we will be the first to cast down.?
                  2066 He said ?You cast down.? So their ropes and staffs appeared from their magic as if they were moving.
                  2067 And Moses held some fear in himself.
                  2068 We said ?Do not fear, you will best them.?
                  2069 ?And cast down what is in your right hand it will consume what they have made. They have only made the plans of a magician, and the magician will not succeed no matter what he does.?
                  2070 So the magicians went down in prostration. They said ?We believe in the Lord of Aaron and Moses.?

                  Purple God's voice probably echoed in his mind because it was likely not aloud on site.


                  2074 He who comes to his Lord as a (-2) criminal, he will have Hell, where he will neither die in it nor live.
                  2075 And he who comes to Him as a (1) believer doing (2) good works, for those will be the highest ranks.


                  2083 ?And what has caused you to rush ahead of your people O Moses??
                  2084 He said ?They are coming in my tracks, and I came quickly to you my Lord so you would be pleased.?
                  2085 He said ?We have tested your people after you left, and the Sumerian misguided them.?

                  Purple Likely a rhetorical question because God certainly knew anyway.


                  2087 They said ?We did not break the promise by our own will, but we were loaded down with the jewelry of the people so we cast them down, and it was such that the Sumerian suggested.?
                  2088 He then produced for them a sculpture of a calf that emitted a cry. So they said ?This is your god and the god of Moses, but he had forgotten!?
                  2089 Did they not see that it did not respond to them? Nor did it possess for them any harm or benefit?

                  Blue Man has always a need to materialize God. It does not matter when and what. For the Christians it was Jesus because God is unseen. And man has furthermore materialized The Book (Qur'an) too much too.


                  20103 They whisper among themselves ?You have only been away for a period of ten.?
                  20104 We are fully aware of what they say, for the best among them will say ?No, you have only been away for a day.?

                  Green It will feel like nothing when you are through with your life. You will see how short your life really was, and if you have done many vain things you will also regret that.

                  20112 And whoever does any (2) good works, (1) while he is a believer, then he should not fear injustice nor being given less than his due.

                  20113 And it was such that We sent it down an Arabic book, and We dispatched in it the warnings, perhaps they will become aware or it will cause them to remember.
                  20114 Then High above all is God, the King, the True. And do not be hasty with the Book before its inspiration is completed to you, and say ?My Lord, increase my knowledge.?

                  20124 ?And whoever turns away from My remembrance, then he will have a miserable life, and We will raise him blind on the Day of Resurrection.?

                  20130 So be patient to what they are saying and glorify the grace of your Lord before the rising of the sun, and before its setting, and at the approach of the night - you shall glorify - and at parts of the day, perhaps you may be content.

                  Red Compare this verse with this one

                  1911 So he went out among his people from the temple enclosure, and he indicated to them that they should glorify Him at dawn and dusk.

                  20131 And do not crave with your eyes what We have bestowed upon some couples from them; the flower of the worldly life; so as to test them in it; and the provision of your Lord is better and more lasting.
                  20132 And instruct your family to the Communion, and be patient for it. We do not ask you for provision, for We provide for you. And the ending will be for righteousness.

                  Red The reason you keep Communion is to implore God for provisions and other things, plus show appreciation and simply communicate with your ally, God.

                  God bless you

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                    Chapter 21 Message check

                    212 When a reminder comes to them from their Lord that is recent, they listen to it while playing.

                    217 And We did not send before you except men whom We inspired to. So ask the people of the Reminder if you do not know.

                    2110 We have sent down to you a Message in which is your remembrance. Do you not comprehend?


                    What do those who do not believe do wrong really? It is the opposite of the Message I have been discussing in this thread. Check here

                    2111 And how many a town have We destroyed because (-2) it was wicked, and We established after them a different people?
                    2112 So it was that when they perceived Our power, they were running from it.
                    2113 ?Do not run, and come back to that which you were living lavishly in and your homes; so that you will be questioned.?
                    2114 They said ?Woe to us, (-2) we have been wicked!?

                    Blue They act with injustice, arrogance and evil deeds etc and it is not purely because they do not believe God punishes them.


                    The Believers glorify The Lord around the clock

                    2120 (1) They glorify in the night and the day, they do not cease.


                    2124 Or have they taken gods besides Him? Say ?Bring your proof. This is a reminder of those with me and a reminder of those before me.? But, most of them do not know the truth, so they turn away.

                    2125 And We did not send any Messenger before you except that We inspired him that (1) ?There is no god except Me, so serve Me.?

                    2128 He knows their present and their future, and they cannot intercede unless it is for those whom He is pleased with. And, from His concern, they are worried.

                    Green And many people think that Muhammad can intercede on their behalf if they only follow their sect's dogma.

                    2135 Every soul will taste death. And We burden you with evil and good as a test, and it is to Us that you will return.

                    Red People are tested, but once we unconditionally believe in God with our hearts then there is less harsh testing, or we feel it as less harsh because we trust the Lord. But it is certain that God would not harshly test someone He knows would not fail to believe because God would not pain His servants which are stable in Faith.

                    2145 Say ?I am merely warning you with the inspiration.? But the deaf do not hear the call when they are being warned.

                    Red Yes. Merely warning...

                    2148 And We had given Moses and Aaron the Criterion, a shining light, and reminder for the righteous.

                    Red I am relatively sure that this is the tablets in stone with the short set of rules.

                    2150 And this is a blessed reminder which We have sent down. Will you be deniers of it?

                    2173 And We made them leaders who guide by Our command, and We inspired them to do (2) good works and hold the (1) Communion and contribute towards Purification, and they were in service to Us.

                    2175 And We admitted him into Our mercy. He was of the (2) good doers.

                    2177 And We granted him victory against the people who denied Our revelations. They were a people of (-2) evil, so We drowned them all.

                    2186 And We admitted them in Our mercy, they were of the (2) good doers.

                    2190 So We responded to him, and We granted him John, and We cured his wife. They used to hasten to do (2) good, and they would (1) call to Us in joy and in fear. And of Us they were (1) reverent.

                    2192 This is your nation, one nation, and I am your Lord so serve Me.


                    2194 So whoever does (2) good works and he is a (1) believer, then his efforts will not be rejected and We will record it for him.


                    21105 And We have written in the Psalms ?After the remembrance, that the Earth will be inherited by My servants who do good.?

                    This is a well-known phrase to those who call themselves Christian. The funny thing is that people think the Message is something completely different. Shaytaan manages to divert people from the path in various ways, from sons to Pagan rituals.

                    21106 In this is a proclamation for a people who serve.
                    21107 And We have not sent you except as a mercy to the worlds.
                    21108 Say ?It is inspired to me that your god is but One god, so will you submit to Him??

                    God bless you

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                      Chapter 22 Message check

                      228 And from the people are those who argue regarding God with no Knowledge nor Guidance nor enlightening Message.

                      2214 God admits those who (1) believe and do (2) good works to estates with rivers flowing beneath them. God does as He wishes.

                      2216 And as such, We have sent down clear revelations, and God guides whoever He wishes.


                      2217 Surely those who (1) believe; and those who are Jewish, and the Sabians, and the Nazarenes, and the Majoos, (and the "Muslims" and those who were polytheists; God will separate between them on the Day of Resurrection. For God is witness over all things.

                      2223 God will admit those who (1) believe and do (2) good works to estates with rivers flowing beneath them, wherein they will be adorned with bracelets of gold and pearls, and their garments will be of silk.

                      2224 And they are guided to the (2) good sayings, and guided to the path of the Praiseworthy.


                      2235 Those who, when God is mentioned, their hearts reverence, and they are patient to what befalls them, and they hold the (1) Communion, and from what We provide them they spend.

                      2249 Say ?O people, I am but a clear warner to you!?
                      2250 As for those who (1) believe and do (2) good works, for them is a forgiveness and a great provision.

                      2256 The sovereignty on that Day is to God, He will judge between them. So as for those who have (1) believed and did (2) good works, they are in gardens of bliss.

                      God bless you

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                        Chapter 23 Message check

                        232 Those who are humble when making their (1) Communion.
                        233 And they (2) abstain from vain talk.
                        234 And they are (2) active towards purification.
                        235 And they (2) keep covered their private parts.

                        239 And those who maintain their (1) Communions.

                        2349 And We have given Moses the Message, so that they may be guided.

                        2351 ?O messengers, eat from what is good, and do (2) good work. I am aware of what you do.?

                        2357 As for those who are, from the (1) concern of their Lord, worried.
                        2358 And they (1) believe in the revelations of their Lord.
                        2359 And they (1) do not set up anything with their Lord.
                        2360 And they (2) give of what they were given, and their hearts are full of reverence that they will return to their Lord.
                        2361 These are the ones who race in doing (2) good, and they are the first to it.
                        2362 And We do not burden a soul except with what it can bear. And We have a record that speaks with the truth, they will not be wronged.


                        When it is all over the time on Earth will not feel long at all for us

                        23112 He said ?How long have you stayed in the earth in terms of years??
                        23113 They said ?We remained for a day, or for part of a day. So ask those who kept count.?
                        23114 He said ?You have remained for very little, if only you knew.?

                        God bless you

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                          Chapter 24 Message check

                          I skip the verses in the beginning of this which involve 'zina' because I am not inspired enough to understand their real meaning, but I have a hard time to accept that it means to lash those who commit adultery and then the whole first part of the chapter to be linguistically formed the way it is. My bet would be that the true story is the way brother noshirk has laid forth with giving false testimony.

                          2436 In homes that God has permitted to be raised, and His name mentioned in them. He is glorified therein in the mornings and the evenings.
                          2437 By men not distracted by trade or sale from the (1) remembrance of God and holding the Communion, and contributing towards Purification. They fear a Day when the hearts and sight will be overturned.
                          2438 God will reward them for the (2) best of what they did, and He will increase them from His grace. And God provides for whom He wishes without reckoning.

                          Red This phrase is recurring several times as if there are only two Communions per day, or God would never had places with only two glorification moments.


                          2441 Do you not see that everything in the heavens and the earth glorifies God? Even the birds in formation, each knows its Communion and its glorification. And God is fully aware of everything they do.

                          Red The traditional understanding of salat as contact prayer does not make any sense at all in this verse. It simply cannot mean prayer in that regard. It is only communion, communication, tie or bonding that the word can mean, if you respect my humble opinion.

                          Remember this extract from the dictionary (green)

                          communion / kmyunyn / noun

                          2 formal a special relationship with someone or something which makes you feel that you understand them very well
                          between/with
                          In the mountains, I feel in communion with nature.


                          2446 We have sent down to you clarifying revelations, and God guides whoever He wills to a straight path.


                          2447 And they say ?We believe in God and in the messenger, and we obey,? but a group of them turn away after that. These are not believers.
                          2448 And if they are invited to God and His messenger to judge between them, a party of them turn away.
                          2449 But, if the judgment is in their favor, they come to him readily!
                          2450 Is there a disease in their hearts, or are they doubtful? Or do they fear that God and His messenger would wrong them in the judgment? In fact, they are the wrong doers.
                          2451 The utterance of the believers when they are invited to God and His messenger to judge in their affairs is to say ?We hear and obey.? These are the winners.
                          2452 And whoever obeys God and His messenger, and is concerned by God, and aware of Him, then these are the winners.
                          2453 And they swear by God with their strongest oaths that if you would only command them they would mobilize. Say ?Do not swear, for obedience is an obligation. God is Expert over what you do.?
                          2454 Say ?Obey God, and obey the messenger.? But if they turn away, then he is only responsible for his obligation, and you are responsible for your obligations. And if you obey him, you will be guided. The messenger is only required to deliver clearly.

                          Above verses are abused to validate hadith of Muhammad and such as that we ought to obey a Muhammad who has been dead for around 1400 years even if he left behind a noble testament to God's Message.


                          2455 God promises those among you who (1) believe and do (2) good works, that He will make them successors on the earth, as He made successors of those before them, and He will enable for them their system which He has approved for them, and He will substitute security for them in place of fear ?That they serve Me, not setting up anything with Me.? And as for those who reject after that, these are the wicked.
                          2456 And hold the Communion and contribute towards Purification, and obey the messenger, that you may attain mercy.

                          2458 O you who believe, let those among you who are maintained by your oaths, and those who have not attained puberty, request your permission regarding three times before the dawn Communion, and when you put off your garments from the noon time, and after the evening Communion. These are three private times for you. Other than these times, it is not wrong for you or them to intermingle with one another. God thus clarifies the revelations for you. And God is Knowledgeable, Wise.

                          Red Again two Communions with the morning and evening style.

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                            Chapter 25 Message check

                            2530 And the messenger said ?My Lord, my people have deserted this Book.?
                            2531 And it is so that We make for every prophet enemies from among the criminals. And your Lord suffices as a Guide and a Victor.
                            2532 And those who rejected said ?If only the Book was sent down to him in one go!? It was done as such so We could strengthen your heart with it, and We arranged it accordingly.
                            2533 And for every example they come to you with, We bring you the truth and the best explanation.
                            2534 Those who will be gathered to Hell on their faces, these are the most evil and the most strayed from the path.
                            2535 And We gave Moses the Message and We made his brother Aaron a minister with him.

                            2556 And We have not sent you except as a bearer of good news and a warner.
                            2557 Say ?I do not ask you for any wage; but for whoever chooses to make a path to his Lord.?
                            2558 And put your trust in the Eternal Who does not die, and glorify His praise. It is enough for Him that He is expert in the sins of His servants.

                            2570 Except for the one who repents and (1) believes and (2) does good works, for those God will replace their sins with good, and God is Forgiving, Merciful.
                            2571 And whoever repents, and does (2) good, then he shall repent towards God a true repentance.
                            2572 And those who (2) do not bear false witness, and if they pass by vain talk they pass by with dignity.

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                              Chapter 26 Message check

                              262 These are the signs of the Message of clarity.

                              267 Did they not look to the earth, how many plants have We raised in it, from each a good pair.
                              268 In that is a sign, but most of them are not believers.

                              Green A good portion of The Book goes to give very good reasons why to believe in God, and why it is illogical not to believe in Him.

                              2610 And when your Lord called to Moses ?Go to the people who are (-2) wicked.?
                              2611 ?The people of Pharaoh. Will they not be (2) righteous??

                              2618 He said ?Did we not raise you among us as a new born, and you stayed with us for many of your years??
                              2619 ?And you did that (-2) deed you did, and you are of the rejecters.?
                              2620 He said (-2) ?I did it, and I was of those misguided.?
                              2621 ?So I ran away from you all, for I feared you. So my Lord granted me judgment, and made me of the messengers.?

                              Red In the narration it is quite clear that Moses committed a sin when he killed one of Pharaoh's people. Not only this case but also where Moses has a Communion with God. Moses however repented and reformed and was overall a righteous person and God guided him.


                              2682 (Abraham) ?And the One whom I hope will forgive my mistakes on the Day of Recompense.?

                              Green He would not have prayed this way if he was an infallible Prophet and without sin as many people seem to believe. Obviously the same goes for all the Prophets and Messengers but people still think that there are infallible people who bring forth the Message.


                              26106 When their brother Noah said to them ?Will you not be (2) righteous??
                              26107 ?I am to you a trustworthy messenger.?
                              26108 ?So be aware of God and obey me.?
                              26109 ?And I do not ask you for any wage, for my reward is upon the Lord of the worlds.?
                              26110 ?So be aware of God and obey me.?
                              26111 They said ?Shall we believe to you when the lowest type of people have followed you??
                              26112 He said ?And what knowledge do I have of what they used to do??
                              26113 ?Their judgment is on my Lord, if you could know.?
                              26114 ?And I will not drive away the believers.?
                              26115 ?I am but a clear warner.?

                              Red The obedience command from The Book is so abused to authorize the use of hadith of the Prophet, but it comes only to the judgment that the Messenger makes among the people in those situations of disputes in regards of justice or that they should obey him in that to serve The Lord alone. The obedience is to follow the Prophet so that their living is righteous in deeds.


                              26123 ?Aad denied the messengers.
                              26124 For their brother Hud said to them (2) ?Will you not be righteous??
                              26125 ?I am to you a clear messenger.?
                              26126 ?So be aware of God and obey me.?
                              26127 ?And I do not ask you for any wage, for my reward is upon the Lord of the worlds.?
                              26128 (-2) ?Do you build on every high place a symbol, for the sake of vanity!?
                              26129 ?And you take for yourselves strongholds, perhaps you will live forever??
                              26130 (-2) ?And if you attack, you strike ruthlessly??
                              26131 ?So be aware of God and obey me.?
                              26132 ?And be aware of the One who provided you with what you know.?
                              26133 ?He provided you with livestock and sons.?
                              26134 ?And gardens and springs.?
                              26135 ?I fear for you the retribution of a great day?


                              26141 Thamud denied the messengers.
                              26142 For their brother Saleh said to them (2) ?Will you not be righteous??

                              26151 ?And do not obey the command of the carefree.?
                              26152 (-2) ?The ones who corrupt in the land and are not reformers.?


                              26160 The people of Lot denied the messengers.
                              26161 For their brother Lot said to them (2) ?Will you not be righteous??

                              26165 (-2) ?Do you approach the males of the worlds??
                              26166 ?And you leave what your Lord has created for you of mates? You are an intrusive people!?


                              26174 In that is a sign, but most of them are not believers.


                              26176 The people of the Sycamore disbelieved the messengers.
                              26177 For Shu?ayb said to them (2) ?Will you not be righteous??

                              26181 (2) ?Give full measure and do not be of those who cause losses.?
                              26182 ?And weigh with the balance that is straight.?
                              26183 ?And do not defraud the people of their belongings, and do not venture into the land corrupting.?
                              26184 (1) ?And be aware of the One who has created you and the generations of old.?


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                                Chapter 27 Message check

                                271 T?S, these are the signs of the Book and a clear Message.
                                272 A guide and good news to the believers.
                                273 Those who hold the Communion, and contribute towards Purification, and regarding the Hereafter they are certain.

                                276 And you are receiving the Book from One who is Wise, Knowledgeable.

                                279 ?O Moses, it is I God, the Noble, the Wise.?
                                2710 ?And cast down your staff.? So when he saw it vibrate as if it were a Jinn, he ran away and would not turn back. ?O Moses, do not fear, for My messengers shall have no fear from Me.?
                                2711 ?Except he who has done wrong. But then if he replaces the evil deed with good, then I am Forgiving, Merciful.?


                                2745 And We have sent to Thamud their brother Saleh (1) ?You shall serve God.? But they became two disputing groups.
                                2746 He said (-2) ?My people, why do you hasten with evil ahead of good? If you would only seek the forgiveness of God, perhaps you will receive mercy.?
                                2747 They said ?You have an ill omen with you and those with you.? He said ?Your ill omen is with God, but you are a people who are being tested.?
                                2748 And in the city were nine ruffians who were (-2) causing corruption in the land, and they were not reforming.


                                2776 This Book tells to the Children of Israel most of that which they are in dispute over.
                                2777 And it is a guidance and a mercy for the believers.

                                2791 ?I have been ordered to (1) serve the Lord of this land that He has made restricted, and to Him are all things, and I have been ordered to be of those who submit.?
                                2792 ?And that I recite the Book.? He who is guided is guided for himself, and to he who is misguided, say ?I am but one of the warners.?
                                2793 Say ?Praise be to God, He will show you His signs and you will know them. And your Lord is not unaware of what you do.?

                                Green The Messenger says his orders here. He is ordered to read The Book (Qur'an) for the people as well as serve the Lord. That is his responsibility. It is not mentioned that we should follow any other source of rules for the system of God such as hadith of Muhammad. The system has become much like the Jews with 603 laws. History repeats itself. So instead of a dozen rules or two there are several hundred laws. It is as if groups compete who can break the record of having most religious rules.

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                                  Chapter 28 Message check

                                  282 These are the signs of the clear Message.

                                  284 Pharaoh became mighty in the land, and he turned its people into factions; he (-2) oppressed a group of them by killing their children and raping their women. He was of those who corrupted.
                                  285 And (2) We wanted to help those who were oppressed in the land, and to make them leaders, and to make them the inheritors.

                                  Red It is also a mission for the Believers and why God is advocating warfare in The Book, to uphold or restore justice.

                                  288 Then the family of Pharaoh picked him up, so he would be an enemy to them and a source of sadness. Certainly, Pharaoh and Haamaan and their troops were (-2) wrongdoers.

                                  2814 And when he reached his independence and was established, We bestowed him with wisdom and knowledge. We thus reward the (2) good doers.

                                  2815 And he entered the city unexpectedly, without being noticed by the people. He found in it two men who were fighting, one was from his clan, and the other was from that of his enemy. So the one who was from his clan called on him for help against his enemy, whereby Moses punched him, (-2) killing him. He said ?This is from the work of the devil; he is an enemy that clearly misleads.?
                                  2816 He said ?My Lord, I have wronged my soul, so forgive me.? He then forgave him, for He is the Forgiver, the Merciful.
                                  2817 He said ?My Lord, for what blessings you have bestowed upon me, I will never be a supporter for the criminals.?
                                  2818 So he spent the night in the city, afraid and watchful. Then the one who sought his help yesterday, was asking again for his help. Moses said to him (-2) ?You are clearly a trouble maker.?
                                  2819 But when he was about to strike their common enemy, he said ?O Moses, do you want to kill me, (-2) as you killed that person yesterday? Obviously, you wish to be a tyrant on the earth; you do not wish to be of the righteous.?
                                  2820 And a man came running from the farthest part of the city, saying ?O Moses, the commanders are plotting to kill you, so leave immediately. I am giving you good advice.?
                                  2821 He exited the city, afraid and watchful. He said ?My Lord, save me from the wicked people.?

                                  Moses sinned in this narration, that is obvious, and so much for the infallibility of the Messengers and Prophets. However, Moses repented and reformed, sought God's Nearness and received Guidance so he was forgiven even an unjustified murder. One of the moral issues here was that Moses killed the adversary without even questioning the motives of his fellow, and nearly doing so the same a second time.

                                  Brown You see that the one of Moses' people repeatedly got himself into trouble, and Moses could have as well helped the one of his people where that one assaulted Pharaoh's people unrighteously.


                                  2822 And as he traveled towards Midyan, he said ?Perhaps my Lord will guide me to the right path.?
                                  2823 When he arrived at the watering hole of Midyan, he found a crowd of people watering, and he found two women waiting on the side. He said ?What is holding you back.? They said ?We cannot draw water until the shepherds finish, and our father is an old man.?
                                  2824 (2) So he drew water for them, then he turned to a shaded area, and he said ?My Lord, I am poor, lacking any provisions You may have sent down.?
                                  2825 So one of the two women approached him, shyly, and said ?My father invites you to reward you for watering for us.? So when he came to him, and told to him the stories, he said ?Do not fear, for you have been saved from the wicked people.?
                                  2826 One of the two women said ?O my father, hire him. For the best to be hired is one who is strong and honest.?
                                  2827 He said ?I wish you to marry one of my two daughters, (2) on condition that you work for me through eight pilgrimage periods; if you complete them to ten, it will be (2) voluntary on your part. I do not wish to make this matter too difficult for you. You will find me, God willing, of the righteous.?
                                  2828 He said ?It is then an agreement between me and you. Whichever period I fulfill, you will not be averse to either one. And God is entrusted over what we said.?

                                  It is pretty obvious in the narration that God affects the timeline actively depending on the actions that we take, both from this case and the previous one with the troublesome fellow. God is aware of everything that happens and does have control of every atom, and thus also the course of action. Moses had Communion with the Lord and had trust in Him and the responses to this was that he got blessings from God interactively during the events. Same happens to us in our daily lives even if many people are ignorant or blind to this fact. And God listens to someone with a strong bond to Him and as much as the case with the two men with gardens comes to mind where the utterances of one of them came true. These have been people aware of God and they had a strong Communion. Hope you do not see that I ramble on in ignorance but that I base this logical deductions and conclusions.

                                  2829 So after Moses fulfilled his obligation and was traveling with his family, he saw a fire on the slope of the mount. He said to his family ?Stay here, I have seen a fire, perhaps I can bring you from there some news or a burning piece of the fire so that you may be warmed.?

                                  Green You see that Moses fulfilled his pledge, and further blessings waited ahead

                                  2830 So when he reached it, he was called from the edge of the right side of the valley at the blessed area of the tree ?O Moses, it is I, God, Lord of the worlds.?

                                  2012 ?I am your Lord, so take off your slippers; you are in the holy valley Tuwa.?
                                  2013 ?And I have chosen you, so listen to what is being inspired.?
                                  2014 ?I am God, there is no god except Me, so serve Me and hold the Communion for My remembrance.?
                                  2015 ?The Hour is coming, I am nearly keeping it hidden, so that every soul will be recompensed with what it strived.?
                                  2016 ?So do not be deterred from it by he who does not believe in it and followed his desire and perished.?
                                  2017 ?And what is in your right hand O Moses??
                                  2018 He said ?It is my staff, I lean on it, and I guide my sheep with it, and I have other uses in it.?
                                  2019 He said ?Cast it down O Moses.?

                                  2831 ?And cast down your staff.? So when he saw it vibrate as if it were a Jinn, he turned around to flee and would not return. ?O Moses, come forward and do not be afraid. You are of those who are safe.?

                                  2020 So he cast it down, and it became a moving serpent!
                                  2021 He said ?Take it and do not be fearful, We will turn it back to its previous form.?
                                  2022 ?And place your hand under your arm, it will come out white without blemish, as another sign.?
                                  2023 ?This is to show you Our great signs.?

                                  2832 ?Place your hand into your pocket. It will come out white without any blemish, and fold your hand close to your side against fear. These are two proofs from your Lord, to Pharaoh and his commanders; for they are a wicked people.?

                                  2024 ?Go to Pharaoh, for he has transgressed.?
                                  2025 He said ?My Lord, comfort for me my chest.?

                                  The two chapters 20 and 28 portray the same story with different wordings. It does not necessarily mean that it is false, but the Communions and the inspired words may have been repeated more than once, and we know that Moses was very afraid of going back to Pharaoh and his people.


                                  2838 And Pharaoh said (-1) ?O commanders, I have not known of any god for you other than me. Therefore, O Haamaan, fire-up the bricks and make for me a high platform, so perhaps I may take a look at the god of Moses; though I think he is one of the liars.?
                                  2839 And he and his soldiers were (-2) arrogant in the land without any right, and they thought that they would not be returned to Us.

                                  2843 We had given Moses the Message (or the Lore) after We had destroyed the earlier generations; as an example for the people and a Guidance and a Mercy, perhaps they will take heed.
                                  2844 And you were not on the western slope when We decreed the command to Moses. You were not a witness.
                                  2845 And We established many generations, and many ages passed them by. And you were not living among the people of Midyan, reciting Our revelations to them. But We were to send messengers.
                                  2846 And nor were you on the side of the mount when We called. But it is a mercy from your Lord, so that you may warn a people who received no warner before you, perhaps they may take heed.

                                  Green The teachings (Torah) of Moses stem from here and the famous commandments.


                                  2849 Say ?Then bring forth a message from God that is better than them in guidance so I may follow it, if you are truthful.?
                                  2850 But if they fail to respond to you, then know that they follow only their desires. And who is more astray than he who (-2) follows his desire, without guidance from God? God does not guide the wicked people.
                                  2851 And We have delivered the information, perhaps they may take heed.
                                  2852 Those to whom We had given the Message before this, they will believe in it.
                                  2853 And if it is recited to them, they say (3) ?We believe in it. It is the truth from our Lord. Indeed, we had submitted before it.?
                                  2854 To these We grant twice the reward for that they have been patient. And they (2) counter evil with good, and from Our provisions to them, they give.
                                  2855 (2) And if they come across vain talk, they disregard it and say ?To us are our deeds, and to you are your deeds. Peace be upon you. We do not seek the ignorant.?
                                  2856 You cannot guide whom you love. But it is God who guides whom He wills; and He is fully aware of those who receive the guidance.

                                  Teal Sadly enough we cannot guide anyone unless they are open to Guidance, and they need Nearness for that.

                                  2867 As for the one who repents, (1) believes, and does (2) good works; perhaps he will be with the winners.

                                  2883 Such will be the abode of the Hereafter; We reserve it for those who (2) do not seek prestige on the earth, nor corruption; and the ending will be for the righteous.
                                  2884 Whoever brings forth a (2) good deed, he will receive a better reward than it. And whoever brings forth a (-2) sin then the retribution for their sins will be to the extent of their deeds.
                                  2885 Surely, the One who decreed the Book to you will summon you to a predetermined appointment. Say ?My Lord is fully aware of who it is that brings the guidance, and who has gone astray.?
                                  2886 Nor did you expect this Message to come your way; but this is a mercy from your Lord. Therefore, you shall not side with the rejecters.
                                  2887 Nor shall you be diverted from the revelations of God after they have come to you. (1) And invite to your Lord. And do not be of the polytheists.
                                  2888 And do not call besides God any god, there is no god except He. Everything will fade away except His face. To Him is the judgment, and to Him you will be returned.

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                                    Chapter 29 Message check

                                    297 And those who (1) believed and did (2) good works, We will cancel their sins and We will reward them in the best for what they did.

                                    Red We can note this phrase in the sentence. It is about being a good character even if we will have our sins, even the best of us. The longer we live under the consciousness of God's supremacy and know that we will be held responsible even if we are not able to become sinless the better for us and God will surely remit the sins, except for the one we know that association of partners with God is unforgivable. Our deeds will have prevalence if they are of the good character while the sins will given only a minor affection although grave sins will of course weigh heavier. But even sins of heavier character may be forgiven if we have many other good qualities. Remember that Moses was forgiven for (perhaps) unjustified murder and Jonah disobeyed a direct order from God. It is deeds of the evil type while with very little charitable deeds that will make people feel sweaty in the courtroom of God at the end of days. One charitable deed every now and then will simply not cut it against all the sins or other evils, such as giving even an generous sum of money if we follow that charity with insults or bad behavior, even though not towards the recipient of the charity but other people. The Book also has verses which prove my words. Look it up yourselves. If we strive to do good and believe then God will give us Nearness and Guidance which will eventually lead to Peace and Prosperity yes

                                    298 And We instructed man to be (2) good to his parents. But if they strive to make you (-1) set up partners with Me, then do not obey them. To Me are all your destinies, and I will inform you of what you used to do.
                                    299 And those who (1) believed and did (2) good works, We will admit them with the righteous.


                                    2927 And We granted him (Lot) Isaac and Jacob, and We made within his progeny the prophethood and the Message. And We gave him his reward in this world, and in the Hereafter he is among the righteous.
                                    2928 And Lot, when he said to his people (-2) ?You commit an immorality that no others in the world have done before!?
                                    2929 (-2) ?You sexually approach men, and you commit highway robbery, and you bring all vice to your society.? But the only response from his people was to say ?Bring us the retribution of God, if you are being truthful!?

                                    Red The homosexual deeds were not the only misdoings Lot's people did as per this sentence, although it seems obvious that it was a sin in the narration.

                                    2932 He said ?But Lot is in it!? They said ?We are fully aware of who is in it. We will save him and his family, except his wife; she is of those doomed.?
                                    2933 And when Our messengers came to Lot, they were (-2) mistreated, and he was embarrassed towards them. And they said ?Do not fear, and do not be saddened. We will save you and your family, except for your wife; she is of those doomed.?

                                    Blue I have wondered why Lot's wife was of those sinners. So it can not only have been a patriarchal issue where the men disregarded the women and carried out same-sex intercourse.


                                    2936 And to Midyan was their brother Shu?ayb. He said ?O my people, (1) serve God and seek the Last Day, (2) and do not roam the earth corrupting.?

                                    2938 And ?Aad and Thamud. Much was made apparent to you from their dwellings. (-2) The devil had adorned their works in their eyes, thus he diverted them from the path, even though they could see.
                                    2939 And Qaroon, and Pharaoh, and Haamaan; Moses went to them with clear proofs. But they (-2) became arrogant in the land, and they were not the first.


                                    2944 God created the heavens and the earth with truth. In that is a sign for the faithful.

                                    Red God takes the simplest yet penetrating parable to tell that in it is a sign. Verily it is a great sign simply to reflect upon our existence itself.

                                    2945 Recite what is inspired to you of the Message and hold the Communion, for the Communion prohibits immorality and vice; but certainly the remembrance of God is the greatest. God knows everything you do.

                                    Green When you keep the tie to God then you can prevent immorality and vice because you reach God's Nearness and Guidance, and it will shield against the temptations of the evil one and your own sinful nature. When you are conscious of God then that will affect your decisions in life and God will help you refrain from deeds of the evil character if you have His Guidance and have put your trust in Him.

                                    2946 And do not argue with the people of the Lore except in that which is better; except for those who are wicked among them; and say ?We believe in what was revealed to us and in what was revealed to you, and our god and your god is the same; to Him we submit.?
                                    2947 And similarly, We have sent down to you the Lore. Thus, those whom We have given the Lore will believe in it. Also, some of your people will believe in it. The only ones who mock Our revelations are the rejecters.
                                    2948 You were not reciting any Lore before this, nor were you writing one down by your hand. In that case, the doubters would have had reason.

                                    Above Could not help but use the word lore in the context. muscle I am all for that the wording does not carry a concrete meaning in the narration and has proved to be more logical in another of my posts before in the case of Abraham who would have had insight of the future in case it would mean a physical book.

                                    2949 In fact, it is a clear revelation in the chests of those who have been given knowledge. And it is only the wicked who doubt Our revelations. yes
                                    2950 And they said ?If only signs would come down to him from his Lord!? Say ?All signs are with God, and I am but a clear warner.?
                                    2951 Is it not enough for them that We have sent down to you the Lore that is being recited to them? In that is a mercy and a reminder for people who believe.

                                    The sentences make it difficult to assume there is a fixed compilation from God. The people wanted physical proof while all he seems to have showed them was things he wrote down through inspiration and they were not content with this kind of revelation. It does make it awkward to see that there has been a book like the Bible of God's words. However, a set of stone tablets with obvious revelation from God springs to mind as appear to have been given to Moses, i.e. precompiled right from God. A few of the people who heard Muhammad's recitations understood that he was blessed with Knowledge from God however, the same as those of us here today approximately 1400 years later and few have understood the Message or Lore that it conveys. For us it is quite obvious that they are inspired by God and "hadith" that were God's own words, to preserve a word from Arabic.

                                    In the case of The Book (Qur'an) people had no such proof or any other sign of God's miracles except the Lore that Muhammad recited to them right out of inspiration, written down or not. The Lore that came out of his mouth or pen was a sign in itself, and verily God's pen does never run out of ink. I do not know how it is for you, but to me there is no other book than The Book and apart from that you have what was given physically to Moses, the Torah (teachings) of Moses and the modified Lore given to Jesus as kind of news for the Believers and warnings for those who disobey God. In my humble opinion what Jesus message was as an "attitude change" in the interpretation of the Torah. Do you not agree with this? Jesus wrote no books but certainly became part of the Lore.

                                    The Book is seemingly flawless but for some reason we do not comprehend all of it due to interpretation issues which cannot be blamed on God for. Several of the corruptions (non-physical) have been solved on this forum and for that I am glad, and I or anyone else is not to be thanked for that nor for anything else of the Truth that we unwind here but we ought to thank THE LORD. Those who complain that we commit a blasphemy while we recite the true Lore they can keep to their faith. I have, in my personal opinion, found an interpretation of The Book that I find is more fair towards God and the Lore. It is this point I try to prove in this thread for those who are mentally ready, so bare with me if you are not convinced yet and I apologize for my inability to convince, may my Lord and your Lord help me do better. One thing is important though and that is you could do this work without listening (or reading) my words and that is check out yourselves by applying the simplest possible meaning to words and their impact on the creed (traditionally called religion) and see that if you do not treat 'as-salat', for example, as contact prayer then it opens a whole new horizon. That is not the word's meaning by applying logic because you cannot invent such extensive meaning to such a simple word and which appear in sentences where "contact prayer" cannot be its meaning without humiliating God's intellect.


                                    Let us return to the narration of God and to the (1), (2) and sometimes (3) to see what the Lore really tells us.

                                    2952 Say ?God is enough as a witness between me and you. He knows what is in the heavens and the earth. As for those who believe in falsehood and reject God, they are the losers.?

                                    Indeed you can choose to believe in falsehood or consider the above section.

                                    2958 And those who (1) believe and do (2) good works, We will settle them in mansions in the Paradise, with rivers flowing beneath them, abiding therein. Excellent is the reward for the workers.
                                    2959 They are the ones who were patient, and put their trust in their Lord.

                                    2961 And if you ask them ?Who has created the heavens and the earth, and put the sun and the moon in motion?? They will say ?God.? Why then did they deviate?

                                    It appears that people of the narration believe in God or know of His existence but they mix up Truth with falsehood.

                                    2965 When they ride on a ship, they call on God, devoting the system to Him. But as soon as He saves them to the shore, they set up partners.

                                    They are hypocrites or forgetful; they set up partners on the shore but what The Book, due to interpretation issues or whatnot, seems not to convey translated into English is that associating partners with God can also be by forgetting about God and then serve your own ego. Remember the narration with the two men and their gardens where the one man seems to have revered his own big ego. The association problem is both on concrete and abstract level and thus turns intransitive.

                                    2966 Let them reject what We have given them, and let them enjoy; for they will come to know.
                                    2967 Have they not seen that We have established a safe territory, while all around them the people are in constant danger? Would they still (-1, -3) believe in falsehood, and reject the blessings of God?
                                    2968 Who is more evil than he who (-1, -3) fabricates lies and attributes them to God, or denies the truth when it comes to him? Is there not a place in Hell for the rejecters?
                                    2969 As for those who (2) strive in Our cause, We will guide them to Our paths. For God is with the (1) pious.

                                    Note You saw me using Lore instead of Message in this post and I might permanently make this switch because it seems a better choice of word. Lore connotes something abstract that is a kind of message and information about something. See this from a dictionary

                                    lore / lr / noun
                                    knowledge or information about a subject, for example nature or magic, that is not written down but that one person tells to another person
                                    According to local lore, a the castle is haunted.

                                    What is in the Book is written down but the whole story from start to finish is like lore. "According to the lore of The Book, God is for real"

                                    When we untie ourselves from the obsession with material things then we might understand God's words.

                                    God bless you

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                                      (and I am not inventing new meanings for the words but only (trying to be) translating them into plain English)

                                      3015 So, those who (1) believed and did (2) good works, they will be delighted in a luxurious place.

                                      3017 So glory be to God, when you retire and when you wake.
                                      3018 And to Him is all praise in the heavens and the earth, and in the evening and when you go out.

                                      Red And here goes the two-Communion argument again, if we talk about traditional fixed timings for prayers or communication with the Lord. Notice the switch between the two sentences and glorification when you retire and wake and after that (and) praise God of Heavens and Earth and in the evening and when you go out. It would appear to mean outside of those two occasions as mentioned in the previous sentence. That does not say that one cannot commune with The Lord at any time though. Call upon The Lord when you need Him; He is always there listening and answering those who call to Him as He pleases. In certain parts of The Book God implies that Communion should be performed when making decisions, such as in judicial matters. It would seem that Communion (salat) has a deeper meaning than meaningless parroting of preprogrammed phrases.

                                      3030 So establish yourself to the system of monotheism. It is the inclination that God has nurtured the people on. There is no changing in the creation of God. Such is the pure system, but most of the people do not know.
                                      3031 (1) Turn to Him, and be aware of Him, and hold the Communion, and do not be of the polytheists.

                                      Keep being in a symbiosis with God, to use a modern word that likely did not exist 1000 years ago
                                      (1600-1700 Modern Latin Greek, from 'symbios' living together)

                                      But forget the part of the meaning that they depend on each other, it is only one-way symbiosis rotfl


                                      3032 From those who have divided their system and become sects, each group is happy with what it has.
                                      3033 And if harm afflicts the people, they call out sincerely to their Lord. But then, when He gives them a taste of His mercy, a group of them set up partners with their Lord!

                                      Green Well, they have an as-salat which means something entirely invented even if they get the contact part right.
                                      Blue Some of them might turn to Muhammad or Jesus for consolation, so this expression is entirely true.


                                      3037 Did they not see that God grants the provisions for whom He wills, and He is able? In that are signs for a people who (1) believe.
                                      3038 So (2) give the relative his due, and the poor, and the wayfarer. That is best for those who seek the face of God, and they are the successful ones.
                                      3039 And any (-2) usury you have taken to grow from the money of the people, it will not grow with God. And any (2) contribution that you have placed seeking the face of God, then those will be multiplied.


                                      3040 God is the One who has created you, then He provided for you, then He puts you to death, then He brings you to life. (-1) Is there any among the partners you set up that can do any of this? Be He glorified and exalted above what they set up.
                                      3041 (-2) Corruption has appeared in the land and the sea at the hands of the people by what they earn. He will make them taste some of what they have done, perhaps they will return.
                                      3042 Say ?Roam the earth and see how the end was for those before. Most of them were polytheists.?
                                      3043 (2) So establish yourself to the system which is straight, before a Day comes from God that none can avert. On that Day they shall be separated.
                                      3044 Whoever (-1) rejects, then he will suffer his rejection; and whoever does (2) good works, then it is for themselves that they are preparing a good place.
                                      3045 So that He will reward those that (1) believe and do (2) good works from His grace. He does not love the rejecters.
                                      3046 And from His signs is that He sends the winds with glad tidings, and to give you a taste of His mercy, and so that the ships may sail by His command, and that you may seek of His bounty; perhaps you will be thankful.

                                      Blue And the partner in this regard can be your own trust in your own cleverness and that your possessions can avail you. The definition is pretty broad even if people try to narrow it down traditionally.


                                      3048 God Who sends the winds, so they raise clouds, and He spreads them in the sky as He wishes, then He turns them into joined pieces, then you see the rain drops come forth from their midst. Then when He makes them fall on whoever He wills of His servants, they rejoice!

                                      Red So it might appear that some righteous people in the past could control the weather while it was God's doing. I know a Shia (Holy) Imam could control the weather even though he likely did a Communion to make God make the rain fall. I have not excluded the legends that some of their lineage may have been righteous people even though it is irrelevant. But it upsets me that they say that they controlled the weather.

                                      3058 And We have put forth for the people in this Book of every example. And if you come to them with a sign, those who rejected will say ?You are bringing falsehood!?
                                      3059 It is thus that God seals the hearts of those who do not know.
                                      3060 So be patient, for the promise of God is true, and do not be dissuaded by those who do not have certainty.

                                      God bless you

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                                        Chapter 31 Lore check

                                        312 These are the signs of the Lore of Wisdom.
                                        313 A Guide and a Mercy (2) for the good doers.
                                        314 Those who hold the (1) Communion, and contribute towards Purification and regarding the Hereafter they are certain.
                                        315 These are on a Guidance from their Lord, and they are the successful ones.

                                        318 Those who (1) believe and do (2) good works, for them will be gardens of bliss.


                                        3117 (Luqman) ?O my son, hold the (1) Communion and advocate (2) righteousness and prohibit vice, and be patient to what befalls you. These are the most honorable traits.?
                                        3118 ?And do not turn your cheek arrogantly from people, nor shall you roam the earth insolently. For God does not love the arrogant show off.?
                                        3119 ?And be humble in how you walk and lower your voice. For the harshest of all voices is the voice of the donkeys.?


                                        3120 Did you not see that God has commissioned in your service what is in the heavens and what is in the earth, and He has showered you with His blessings, both apparent and hidden? (-3) Yet from the people are some who argue about God with no Knowledge nor Guidance nor enlightening Lore.

                                        Blue These people have not managed to receive any of God's Nearness so thus they lack Knowledge or Guidance, or any Wisdom for that sake either, and they can thus not know the Lore.

                                        3122 And whoever (1) submits himself completely to God, while he is (2) righteous, indeed he has taken grasp of the strongest hold. And to God is the conclusion of all matters.

                                        3127 And if all the trees on the earth were made into pens, and the ocean were supplied by seven more oceans, the words of God would not run out. God is Noble, Wise.

                                        Absolutely not, God's words never run out and God is always near.

                                        3132 And when waves surround them like mountains, they call on God, sincerely devoting the system to Him. But when He saves them to the shore, some of them return. None discard Our signs except those who are betrayers, rejecters.
                                        3133 O people, you shall reverence your Lord, and be concerned of a Day when a father cannot help his child, nor can a child help his father. Certainly, the promise of God is truth. Therefore, do not be deceived by this worldly life; and do not be deceived from God by arrogance.
                                        3134 With God is the knowledge regarding the Hour. And He sends down the rain, and He knows what is inside the wombs. No soul knows what it may gain tomorrow, nor does any soul know in which land it will die. God is Knowledgeable, Expert.

                                        Blue It is cases like this which means to set up partners with God, amongst other things.

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                                          Chapter 32 Lore check

                                          322 The sending down of this Lore, without a doubt, from the Lord of the worlds.

                                          329 Then He evolved him, and blew into him from His Spirit. And He made for you the hearing, the eyesight, and the hearts; rarely are you thankful.

                                          Red Could likely be what differentiates us from animals that we have minds that are far more complicated and aware than them.

                                          3215 The only people who (1) believe in Our revelations are those whom when they are reminded by them, they fall prostrating, and they (1) glorify the praise of their Lord, and they are (2) not arrogant.
                                          3216 Their sides readily forsake their beds, to (1) call on their Lord out of fear and hope, (2) and from Our provisions to them they give.

                                          Green Example of Communion.

                                          3219 As for those who (1) believe and do (2) good works, for them are eternal gardens as an abode for what they used to work.

                                          3223 And We have given Moses the (3) Lore; so do not be in any doubt about meeting Him; and We made it a Guide for the Children of Israel.
                                          3224 And We made from them leaders who (2) guided in accordance with Our commandment, for they were patient and had certainty regarding Our revelations.

                                          God bless you

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