I am God / Allah

The_Chimp

So what is your conclusion . . present your argument and authority.

Huh? What do you mean "conclusion". I am asking you questions . . . they are there - either answer or don't. But please refrain from doing this.

Thank you - much obliged.

I simply wish to know your source and how you are translating Ahad and Samad and the source and reasoning for your interpretation of these 2 words.

muslims

Stupid . . . you don't even know what is a conclusion and yet claiming you are making an argument rotfl

What is your counter argument, and based on what authority?

I already gave full explanations and will not repeat . . unless, you don't read, as usual.

Little_Mannie

I hope people will not ignore the fact that angels prostrate to Adam, mmm . . . as equals to God?

That must carry some weight . . .

especially, at the beginning of the story (the main objective of creation) and those who refuse are the disbelievers . . .

And when your Lord
took from the children of Adam
from their loins
their descendants
and made them testify of themselves
, "Am I not your Lord?"
They said, "Yes, we have testified."

lest you should say on the day of Resurrection
"Indeed, we were of this unaware"
(7172)

and.. I wonder where does it say in the Quran that Pharaoh claimed he was God . . . ???

This is one instance where you accused me of shirk. Shirk as defined by you apparently as being "like Iblees" or Allah alone. I guess in order to avoid shirk, according to you, I must prostrate to humans.

You don't even remember the garbage you write. You didn't even know that Pharaoh claimed he was God in the Quran!

The_Chimp

Stupid . . . you don't even know what is a conclusion and yet claiming you are making an argument rotfl

What is your counter argument, and based on what authority?

I already gave full explanations and will not repeat . .

I already have enough experience dealing with you. I am not going to row again. The end.

Also - please have a see . . .

yet claiming you are making an argument

I never claimed to have an "argument". I claimed to have questions for you.

So prove it where did I claim to have an argument?

I already gave full explanations and will not repeat

If that is the case - why didn't you point this out . . . rather than the above?

This is what you did on the other issue - avoid answering, twisting what I said, repeating, quarreling, being rude. . . anything but answer.

If you do not want to answer fine . . .the end. But quit playing silly games.

They just make you look bad.

Little_Mannie

Do you understand my question?

How many times I have to asked you?

and you are a liar . . you cannot quote my statement and making false accusations over and over again!

Funny, that was when I was being polite in the beginning before you alienated me. I told you I didn't understand and asked you to clarify. All you would do is talk about "0" and "1" and infinity. Things that are not in the Quran, yet you say things like "you don't need vision, you just need to read and understand the Quran" Well, the Quran says that Allah grasps all vision, yet his vision cannot be grasped (6102) yet it appears that you want to oppose this. You also tried to tell me that I accept parts of the Quran and reject the rest. You are just a pathetic turd!!! AND A LIAR! I tried to politely understand you and you kept telling me and others that we were "wrong" as if you know anything.

muslims

This is one instance where you accused me of shirk. Shirk as defined by you apparently as being "like Iblees" or Allah alone. I guess in order to avoid shirk, according to you, I must prostrate to humans.

You don't even remember the garbage you write. You didn't even know that Pharaoh claimed he was God in the Quran!

What? I cannot speak and form an opinion from facts from the Quran?

I am speaking about Adam and Iblees

What are you? Iblees? rotfl

and please don't repeat the issue of Pharaoh . .

I have already made counter arguments and which you seem to ignore and more interested in making false accusations and lying in this forum . . and which now I loose my respect for you.

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606172.msg346067#msg346067
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606172.msg345932#msg345932

and you are still diverting from answering the following question, and yet you are claiming absolute truth, saying bad things and forcing others to believe what you believe . . . without reason.

Therefore, where can our existence that is other than the Ahad and Samad Allah be?

Inside or outside of Allah?

The_Chimp

What? I cannot speak and form an opinion from facts from the Quran?

I am speaking about Adam and Iblees

What are you? Iblees? rotfl

and please don't repeat the issue of Pharaoh . .

I have already made counter arguments and which you seem to ignore and more interested in making false accusations and lying in this forum . . and which now I loose my respect for you.

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606172.msg346067#msg346067
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606172.msg345932#msg345932

and you are still diverting from answering the following question, and yet you are claiming absolute truth, saying bad things and forcing others to believe what you believe . . . without reason.

What are you? Iblees? rotfl

Oh well - it seems you do this to everyone!

I have already made counter arguments and which you seem to ignore and more interested in making false accusations

Well, when it comes to false accusations...

muslims

I already have enough experience dealing with you. I am not going to row again. The end.

Also - please have a see . . .

I never claimed to have an "argument". I claimed to have questions for you.

So prove it where did I claim to have an argument?

If that is the case - why didn't you point this out . . . rather than the above?

This is what you did on the other issue - avoid answering, twisting what I said, repeating, quarreling, being rude. . . anything but answer.

If you do not want to answer fine . . .the end. But quit playing silly games.

They just make you look bad.

So am I, fully aware of how you are making an argument quarrelling . .

Look, I don't live on tress and I don't understand how you make an argument

However and from my world , it is not an argument . .

and if you are lazy to read, then . . you have successfully proven yourself being an idiot who only argues, without first understanding the issue of this thread . .

and who knows . . maybe you can join those who are rejecting the "law of cause and effect" and always able to learn directly from God

muslims

Well, when it comes to false accusations...

I did this to her?

How should I know . . I am talking about Iblees, and yet she said the statement is directly referring to her . .

She should answer . . or maybe you, on her behalf . rotfl

The_Chimp

So am I, fully aware of how you are making an argument quarrelling . .

Look, I don't live on tress and I don't understand how you make an argument

However and from my world , it is not an argument . .

and if you are lazy to read, then . . you have successfully proven yourself being an idiot who only argues, without first understanding the issue of this thread . .

and who knows . . maybe you can join those who are rejecting the "law of cause and effect" and always able to learn directly from God

But I did not argue - nor claimed to argue. I asked you questions . . . end of.

Else as I have asked you to to prove this

yet claiming you are making an argument

I guess you cannot and you made a false accusation.

Sweet heart - it appears no one knows how you make an argument. Let me ask you . . . are you lonely? Do you just want to quarrel?

I mean - you started this . . . not me!

Look! I even posted a comments in support of you!

The_Chimp

I did this to her?

How should I know . . I am talking about Iblees, and yet she said the statement is directly referring to her . .

She should answer . . or maybe you, on her behalf . rotfl

See - you do it even here!

Ha ha ha . . . it ain't really funny is it?

Sorry, but your attitude is really pathetic. I asked you few questions and you went berserk. Report you to Admin - I think.

Deep down - we all know what you are hiding . . .

You cannot read the Quran and Arabic.
Your English is poor.
You build these theories that are based on false readings.

Then, when you post them up and people challenge you - you are not able to answer. Then, you just get abusive.

You were simply asked - how are you translating and interpreting Ahad and Samad! That is all! What followed is torrent of abuse. . .

muslims

But I did not argue - nor claimed to argue. I asked you questions . . . end of.

Look . . are you going to repeat this irrelevant discussion for 200 pages?

Because it is boring . . and since you are lazy to read , I can't see why should I waste another 200-300 pages without making a single point . .

This is my main point, the usul . . the law of cause and effect and its rational . . .

(obviously I am not declaring myself as God . . only fools believe that)

If you think like the way I think . .

you will see that the same human being teach us how to use a pen . .

you will see that the same human being bring us food . .

you will see that the same human being answer our prayer. .

you will see that the same human being give birth to us . .

and, you will see that the same human being name Muhammad delivered the Quran . . it is quite simple

and, you will see that Allah is everywhere, and it is sad to see those who cannot see Allah . .

Mainly, because Allah does not exist in themselves . . not yet, or not forever.

But when they realize that "everything" is Allah . .

they will not do corruption and be just to all peoples, regardless of religion, race etc

they will be a servant to humanity and all living creatures etc . . becoming the servant to everything, One !

It is so since being a servant of Allah does not mean becoming Allah alone

There is no Allah alone because Allah is "everything" !

How can someone be Allah Alone when Allah is "ONE" ? (everything)

Therefore being a servant of Allah means we execute Allah's promise to human beings . . just like the angels are doing

It means we take God's part and answer to peoples' prayer

It means we maintain the Sunnatullah in the society

It means we become the Khalif, taking care of every peoples

This is the true servant of Allah . . who live to serve "everything" (One), and becoming God (ie. creating God in ourselves)

It is the duty of a true servant of Allah to answer his prayer and become God . . .

https//encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbnANd9GcSy6SCrxfdo6Qe2cN082mniXbK-HC1uiu2G5tq7cbsOpnQmaRZK

From a God who thinks like a man

to a man who thinks like God!

Let say this man is very poor and praying to Allah for food . . .

https//encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbnANd9GcSy6SCrxfdo6Qe2cN082mniXbK-HC1uiu2G5tq7cbsOpnQmaRZK

or this girl . . .

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and also this boy . . he is asking the Creator to help him . . desperately

https//encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbnANd9GcTquegRMmaM-khJP5QDfOjC1y8Yp7DGlBo_Q_ud8yptKtymL_PkiQ

Who will answer their prayers?

Who will give them food?

Allah?

How?

Show me . . .

What is your counter argument ?

The_Chimp

Look . . are you going to repeat this irrelevant discussion for 200 pages?

Because it is boring . . and since you are lazy to read , I can't see why should I waste another 200-300 hundred pages without making a single point . .

This is my main point, the usul . . the law of cause and effect and its rational . . .

(obviously I am not declaring myself as God . . only fools believe that)

So you made a baseless accusation - when challenged - you have no proof/answer?

Other than bad attitude?

Just above . . . it plain for everyone to see - against the user "Little Mannie" - you made a similar argument - and then accused her of lying and even called her one!

When it is your turn . . . well!

So you go around accusing others of lying . . . yet commit the same crime.

And you are trying to portray that you are the amazingly clever one!

Why?

It is divert away from the fact

You do not know Arabic.
You are not educated much
Your English is poor.
You cannot answer simple questions.
You quarrel and are rude and vulgar.

This is WHY you cannot even answer what you mother tongue is! I mean why hide you background?

The_Chimp

Look . . are you going to repeat this irrelevant discussion for 200 pages?

Because it is boring . . and since you are lazy to read , I can't see why should I waste another 200-300 pages without making a single point . .

This is my main point, the usul . . the law of cause and effect and its rational . . .

(obviously I am not declaring myself as God . . only fools believe that)

What is your counter argument ?

Why should I have a "counter-argument"? And for what?

I asked you some questions . . . why don't you either answer or quit being rude!

That is all.

muslims

When people claim this - most likely there is nothing obvious about other person's illogicality. If it is that obvious then you would have no problems spelling it out.

Don't worry - I am no friend of "Muslims" - he has claimed similar towards me. People do this in order to avoid answering something.

This is how it starts, and it doesn't sound like a question at all . . as usual, liar . .

and you know well what you are, no dignity . .

and that's how you like people to treat you . . proven.

That is all.

The_Chimp

you will see that the same human being teach us how to use a pen . .

you will see that the same human being bring us food . .

you will see that the same human being answer our prayer. .

you will see that the same human being give birth to us . .

and, you will see that the same human being name Muhammad delivered the Quran . . it is quite simple

and, you will see that Allah is everywhere, and it is sad to see those who cannot see Allah . .

Allah is not seen as such. That is - Allah the separate and unique entity.

This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah - Quran 22

Mainly, because Allah does not exist in themselves . . not yet, or not forever.

One can have love of Allah - but not have Allah in them - physically.

Say, , "If you should love Allah , then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful."

But when they realize that "everything" is Allah . .

they will not do corruption and be just to all peoples, regardless of religion, race etc

It is true that Allah is everything - I believe that too. Sadly, everyone doesn't. There are some that do not believe in him at all.

they will be a servant to humanity and all living creatures etc . . becoming the servant to everything, One !

It is so since being a servant of Allah does not mean becoming Allah alone

I did not understand this.

There is no Allah alone because Allah is "everything" !

How can someone be Allah Alone when Allah is "ONE" ? (everything)

Now - Allah being One and Everything is not the same thing. How did you get to this?

Therefore being a servant of Allah means we execute Allah's promise to human beings . . just like the angels are doing

It means we take God's part and answer to peoples' prayer

It means we maintain the Sunnatullah in the society

It means we become the Khalif, taking care of every peoples

I hear what you are saying . . . and that is right and true. We are required to look after and love each other. After all - we are but one race.

This is the true servant of Allah . . who live to serve "everything" (One), and becoming God (ie. creating God in ourselves)

I do not believe this. We do not become "God" - that is Shirk. We can take the qualities . . . but I think your English is poor - maybe you need to rephrase this.

It is the duty of a true servant of Allah to answer his prayer and become God . . .

We are creation of Allah - we cannot be "God".

Who will give them food?

Allah?

How?

Show me . . .

Usually by causing us to give them food.

Now - please do not needlessly row with me. I have gone through it all - agree with you some parts and have highlighted where I disagree.

Let us see - can you we continue without silly games and abuse?

The_Chimp

This is how it starts, and it doesn't sound like a question at all . . as usual, liar . .

and you know well what you are, no dignity . .

and that's how you like people to treat you . . proven.

Ha ha ha . . . this was written in support of you. I was merely pointing out to the person that she has to "prove" that you have committed fallacies and not just accuse you.

brickwall

You really are not very clever are.

Is that why you hide your background?

Is that why you quarrel so much?

Why do you bother posting your pet theories and then cannot handle questioning?

Why?

And we are NOT friends - I pointed this out so she knows I am not supporting you merely out of knowing you. As is often the case on forums.

muslims

This is how we become God . . by becoming "0" and servant of Allah . .

1 (God) + 0 (human) = 1 (God) = Absolute Obedience = Creating God in ourselves

or maybe 0 is 1 . . 1 + 0 = 1 = God)

Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior (334) = God ?

However all these can be useful to give us some clue on our purpose of life and not for actual determination

What really matter Allah is everything . . equally, Allah Alone should mean to serve everything . .

"everything" is "Allah Alone"

and what Allah want from us ?

Our happiness . . . living together in peace and harmony

These are the proof . . .

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(no one could reach all these planets, and therefore . . Allah makes all these planets just to make us happy looking at the stars)

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Allah like beauties, sounds and musics, arts etc . . . and Allah make all these things just to make us happy . . .

Allah serve us but do we serve Allah the way Allah serve all living creatures (regardless of religions, etc)?

Do we fulfil our promise and answer peoples' prayers?

human beings are corruptor . . .

The_Chimp

This is how we become God . . by becoming "0" and servant of Allah . .

Please prove this from the Quran.

We do not and cannot become God.

"Created man from a clinging substance."

What is a God?

"1.
(in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.
2.
(in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshipped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity."

By the very definition of what a God is - we cannot become that. The only source of guidance we both recognize is Quran - and Quran does not say this.

We are and can be his "representative" but that is not becoming God. Please revise this

or maybe 0 is 1 . . 1 + 0 = 1 = God)

This makes no sense. Where did you get this from?

Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior (334) = God ?

Huh?

"Allah has not made for a man two hearts in his interior. And He has not made your wives whom you declare unlawful your mothers. And he has not made your adopted sons your sons. That is your saying by your mouths, but Allah says the truth, and He guides to the way."

How does this equal to God? Please clarify what you are saying.

What really matter Allah is everything . . equally, Allah Alone should mean to serve everything . .

"everything" is "Allah Alone"

But Allah is NOT us. He is everything that infinite and everlasting. We are not that - so we are nothing and he is everything.

"Everything is Allah"

I agree with that - what I do NOT agree is that we are part of everything. We are not. We are nothing.

Our happiness . . .

How do you know this? Where in the Quran?

The_Chimp